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Wasn't sure what to title this thread. But its a pretty simple question.
Can the Xoom be programmed to react to being put in either dock?
I don't mean necessarily when charging begins because I can probably use Tasker for that. But specifically if the device is put into either dock, go into a bed side mode or something?
First off, your thread title was completely accurate and descriptive. Thank you for that.
Regarding your actual issue, THEORETICALLY this should work. However, I have been unable to get Tasker to recognize my Motorola Standard Dock on my WiFi-only XOOM. I am trying to make mine set the media volume to maximum when docked, roughly half-way when undocked, and a third of the way up when on headphones.
Has Tasker's dock detection worked for anyone else?
Sadly tasker doesn't seem to get me where I want to be with it. Is it too much to ask for the clock to come up when I drop it on? Meh guess so, only one of 2 complaints about the device in a month ain't bad I guess
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Hello, i used to have an atrix... then a photon and i still got them around but ofc im using the Infuse.
I was used to the WebTOP thing those motorola phones included in wich with just a bit of modifications it was an actually funtional "large screen" mobile computer; as soon as i got the Infuse i go and try the HDMI to realize its just HDMI "mirroring" so it just displays what you have on he screen... so seemengly "useless" at that time i went for rogers GB base ROMs since i wasnt gonna use HDMI.
Anyways now that i see the kernel problem with Rogers GB that didnt let HDMI go out its fixed with the J2 leak i went curious about HDMI again. Still whats the big deal to create the WebTOP display and can it be " ported" easily to Samsung? Or its device specific too hard etc etc?
Would be nice to not just have HDMI mirror but a kind of "WebTOP" for the Infuse since you can turn it into an awesome " micro laptop" with about 15 minuts of mods run full ubuntu etc.
Closest i have found its this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179824
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1162662
I know its probably hardware things still....
If anyone could be so kind of explaining me whats the deal about only motorola being able to run a WebTOP OR if its possible to just pull the apks from my photon/atrix and run them on Infuse?
koriotto said:
Hello, i used to have an atrix... then a photon and i still got them around but ofc im using the Infuse.
I was used to the WebTOP thing those motorola phones included in wich with just a bit of modifications it was an actually funtional "large screen" mobile computer; as soon as i got the Infuse i go and try the HDMI to realize its just HDMI "mirroring" so it just displays what you have on he screen... so seemengly "useless" at that time i went for rogers GB base ROMs since i wasnt gonna use HDMI.
Anyways now that i see the kernel problem with Rogers GB that didnt let HDMI go out its fixed with the J2 leak i went curious about HDMI again. Still whats the big deal to create the WebTOP display and can it be " ported" easily to Samsung? Or its device specific too hard etc etc?
Would be nice to not just have HDMI mirror but a kind of "WebTOP" for the Infuse since you can turn it into an awesome " micro laptop" with about 15 minuts of mods run full ubuntu etc.
I know its probably hardware things still....
If anyone could be so kind of explaining me whats the deal about only motorola being able to run a WebTOP OR if its possible to just pull the apks from my photon/atrix and run them on Infuse?
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Web top is lame, hwy I can run Web apps and browse Web sites like any other browser. I really don't get it.
You can actually run Linux in place of the Web top on the atrix but it had limitations last I looked. But yeah it is kinda motorola specific. Though if you install Linux to the sd card it is possible to ruin it along side Android. Then with a set of apps you may be able to access it with vnc software through Android to display the GUI on an hdmi device.
I'd imagine this would be slow and take a while to setup but it could be fun try.
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Web top is lame, hwy I can run Web apps and browse Web sites like any other browser. I really don't get it.
You can actually run Linux in place of the Web top on the atrix but it had limitations last I looked. But yeah it is kinda motorola specific. Though if you install Linux to the sd card it is possible to ruin it along side Android. Then with a set of apps you may be able to access it with vnc software through Android to display the GUI on an hdmi device.
I'd imagine this would be slow and take a while to setup but it could be fun try.
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Yeah i mean i know you can basicly run browser like desktop etc, still maybe its my bigscree or my infuse but it scales so ugly it doesnt quite looks " HD" and the fact that its always portrait unless you open a video... maybe im playing wrong with MHL and my big screen but the videos dont look as good as i would expect, and again i repeat maybe im doing somethign wron but i sometimes use netflix on my infuse and put it on the bigscreen by the MHL adaptor and it looks UGLY choppy slow etc... if im doing something wrong would be nice if someone helped me out... its a 52" 1080p screen im connecting directly the MHL to hd cable to tv... and running froyo stock atm... looks bad videos look choppy dar sounds sometimes syncs off etc...
thats why i asked about the webtop cause it created an external emvironmet "ugly one" still looked so good while running videos etc that i could say " hey now thats hd"
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Yeah i mean i know you can basicly run browser like desktop etc, still maybe its my bigscree or my infuse but it scales so ugly it doesnt quite looks " HD" and the fact that its always portrait unless you open a video... maybe im playing wrong with MHL and my big screen but the videos dont look as good as i would expect, and again i repeat maybe im doing somethign wron but i sometimes use netflix on my infuse and put it on the bigscreen by the MHL adaptor and it looks UGLY choppy slow etc... if im doing something wrong would be nice if someone helped me out... its a 52" 1080p screen im connecting directly the MHL to hd cable to tv... and running froyo stock atm... looks bad videos look choppy dar sounds sometimes syncs off etc...
thats why i asked about the webtop cause it created an external emvironmet "ugly one" still looked so good while running videos etc that i could say " hey now thats hd"
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Yeah the scaling sux, but video playback isn't mirrored the phone screen should be off and it should output high Res video. A lot of the hdmi stuff is closed source and I don't know if the devs can figure out a way to interface with it. I wouldn't be optimistic about a better way.
Are you playing videos pdf the sd card oder flash off websites? If the Samsung player is running and you go full screen it should look ok. If it is windowed or uses the flash powered video player then there isn't any way I know of to get better than 480x800 res with bad upscaling. Try forcing the TV into 480p and see if the sharpness improves, other than that, I guess you have to deal with it.
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Yeah the scaling sux, but video playback isn't mirrored the phone screen should be off and it should output high Res video. A lot of the hdmi stuff is closed source and I don't know if the devs can figure out a way to interface with it. I wouldn't be optimistic about a better way.
Are you playing videos pdf the sd card oder flash off websites? If the Samsung player is running and you go full screen it should look ok. If it is windowed or uses the flash powered video player then there isn't any way I know of to get better than 480x800 res with bad upscaling. Try forcing the TV into 480p and see if the sharpness improves, other than that, I guess you have to deal with it.
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Hmm idk how netflix works to be honest... but the screen nevers goes off while im playing a movie... that puts the phone temp REALLY hot after 2.30 hrs of playing with the screen on... i havent tried any videos directly from Video player i was saying Netflix quiality trough HDMI SUCKED haha...ill give it a shot at forcing the tv to go 480p thats actually a nice idea i didnt had... tnks man.
You are lucky you can even mirror Netflix. Samsung can't even allow there own media hub to mirror, the studios won't allow it. It would be too ready to record and distribute, media hub videos are only licenced to playback on the device. running mhl only gives you a message about how it isn't supported.
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You are lucky you can even mirror Netflix. Samsung can't even allow there own media hub to mirror, the studios won't allow it. It would be too ready to record and distribute, media hub videos are only licenced to playback on the device. running mhl only gives you a message about how it isn't supported.
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Lol thats true, then ill stick with what i can get hahaha.
I was ready to return my Transformer. The lag was unbearable (for a brand new device), it would stutter, even some videos of mine would flicker. I use the dock a lot, and was ready to give up. I undocked it - and all is right with the world again. Same videos (off micro-sd card) that were previously stuttering are now playing beautifully.
I was scared that it might be a hardware error, but I know now that this is something someone can fix! Does anyone else have the same issues? I love the dock, and bought it for increased functionality, and would LIKE to use it as a mini-laptop a lot.
Just curious.
Thanks.
DTB
I've noticed this on the desktop screen and in the apps and widgets list, but in my case it was connected to either using touchpad or USB mouse. In this case changing the launcher from stock to custom (like Apex) helps, but I'm not sure this is your case (hope it is, but I haven't noticed any lag when docked and playing videos)
d14b0ll0s said:
I've noticed this on the desktop screen and in the apps and widgets list, but in my case it was connected to either using touchpad or USB mouse. In this case changing the launcher from stock to custom (like Apex) helps, but I'm not sure this is your case (hope it is, but I haven't noticed any lag when docked and playing videos)
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Lucky. What "mode" are you in when docked? And you running full IPS? (Or 'auto'?) I have no idea what it could be. It's not soo terrible that it's unusable, but it's definitely noticeable and annoying even for simple operations. I keep the system clean, not much running in the background. I'm confused - but hoping that future ROM's will optimize the I/O (if that's the cause) when docked.
Thanks.
DTB
I barely use IPS+, normally I use it indoors at about 30% (regular IPS mode), but I doubt it's the real issue. Try a different dock maybe (as I suppose you're on .26 firmware already). Not much else we can do remotely, try different dock, try different tablet, update firmware when possible, factory wipe if nothing else helps, or simply send it back. You should be able to watch the movies the same way when docked and when not, so if there is a significant disproportion between these two, I'd consider returning this unit (bundle).
d14b0ll0s said:
I barely use IPS+, normally I use it indoors at about 30% (regular IPS mode), but I doubt it's the real issue. Try a different dock maybe (as I suppose you're on .26 firmware already). Not much else we can do remotely, try different dock, try different tablet, update firmware when possible, factory wipe if nothing else helps, or simply send it back. You should be able to watch the movies the same way when docked and when not, so if there is a significant disproportion between these two, I'd consider returning this unit (bundle).
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Well...damn. Looks like I might RMA the unit then, and get a new one. Sucks. Been waiting for this device for months! I even did a reset last night, and started from scratch - and still the same result. I was hoping it was a 'common' problem.
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OP are you experiencing this problem on your Infinity after operating it after a cold boot up with the keyboard dock attached, or is your tablet already on and you attach it the dock keyboard and experience this issue?
I think I've seen this issue sparringly in my case, attaching it to the dock while on, but not often because I always keep my tablet docked. In most cases this did not occur when I would re-docked with minimum programs running on the Infinity.
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OP are you experiencing this problem on your Infinity after operating it after a cold boot up with the keyboard dock attached, or is your tablet already on and you attach it the dock keyboard and experience this issue?
I think I've seen this issue sparringly in my case, attaching it to the dock while on, but not often because I always keep my tablet docked. In most cases this did not occur when I would re-docked with minimum programs running on the Infinity.
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I actually haven't tried starting it up without the dock attached (as I just realized what was going on last night) - will try that and report back in a few hours. Thanks for the suggestion!
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So, I tried a cold boot and plugged the dock in, seemed fine at first, then started getting laggy again. So, I noticed that whenever I put the dock in, you get the message about using the standard keyboard that matches the ASUS hardware keyboard. (I had Swype enabled.) So, that got me thinking Swype could be a problem. I never knew if it was optimized for tablets, or whatever. So, I disabled Swype, and two other software keyboards just for the purpose of troubleshooting (SlideIT Keyboard and SwiftKey) and am just using the stock keyboards pre-installed.
After disabling those keyboards - for now, the lag seems to have been considerably less noticeable. Of course this is all anecdotal and I don't have any true measurements or stats run to determine anything concrete.
Thanks for the suggestions!
DTB
DonToolBag said:
So, I tried a cold boot and plugged the dock in, seemed fine at first, then started getting laggy again. So, I noticed that whenever I put the dock in, you get the message about using the standard keyboard that matches the ASUS hardware keyboard. (I had Swype enabled.) So, that got me thinking Swype could be a problem. I never knew if it was optimized for tablets, or whatever. So, I disabled Swype, and two other software keyboards just for the purpose of troubleshooting (SlideIT Keyboard and SwiftKey) and am just using the stock keyboards pre-installed.
After disabling those keyboards - for now, the lag seems to have been considerably less noticeable. Of course this is all anecdotal and I don't have any true measurements or stats run to determine anything concrete.
Thanks for the suggestions!
DTB
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I noticed the same issue when I docked mine. I don't dock mine that often though. This was not an issue with the prime. Wonder if part of it is the resolution.
Hi, so I've been ICS for a while now and I'm currently running Virtuous Infinity 1.35beta. A few days ago I stumbled upon my cable that I used to use when I was on Gingerbread for connecting the MT4GS to the tv. It's a 4 pole jack with a red, white and yellow on the other end. Ever since I came over to ICS, I haven't had much time to play with this, but when I wanted to watch a movie on the tv off my mt4gs, it did not work. The phone tells me something along the lines of "hdmi connected", but the screen on the tv just turns blue and does not show anything. The movie plays on the mt4gs without a problem. I'm posting this because all of the threads I found about similar issues are from 2011 or early 2012, i.e. long before we got the ICS.
Does anyone have any idea of how to get this to work properly? Or is reverting back to Gingerbread the only option of getting this to work?
I bought this phone to last me a while and I'd hate to lose a useful function like this, where you can always essentially have a movie player in your pocket.
Thank you for even the slightest input you can give me on this because I haven't been able to find anything on this issue on xda or google.
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Hi, so I've been ICS [...] A few days ago I stumbled upon my cable that I used to use when I was on Gingerbread for connecting the MT4GS to the tv. It's a 4 pole jack with a red, white and yellow on the other end. [...] The phone tells me something along the lines of "hdmi connected", but the screen on the tv just turns blue and does not show anything.
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I saw the title to this thread in the forum list and it prompted me to find my cable. I'm going to have a few days coming up here where it will come in quite handy and I want to make sure the ROM I'm using is fully functional for my purposes. REALLY ticks me off how this phone seemed to be built only for Sense 3 Gingerbread. I think I'm going to quit supporting HTC over this BS.
So I finally find an ICS ROM that doesn't seem like it's crippled all to hell, and I saw this thread, and decided to try it. So far everything else I've needed seems to work, and I just went 12 hours with only 5% drop in battery (of course not touching the phone -- once I do it's like I lose a percent a minute) so it seems like a pretty decent ROM. But then I plug it into the tv, and just like you, I got "HDMI Connected" in the notebar, a blue screen on the tv (with black interleaved horizontal lines), and no other output. Also, there's no "TV Out" app or any kind of config that I can find.
I'm going to go hunting and if I catch anything I'll bring it back here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1484165
that's probably your best bet. just a warning, i'm pretty sure it drains battery quickly (which i guess kind of makes sense cuz of the name "brute force"). not sure if this is exactly what you're looking for, but it's a start!
anitgandhi said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1484165
that's probably your best bet. just a warning, i'm pretty sure it drains battery quickly (which i guess kind of makes sense cuz of the name "brute force"). not sure if this is exactly what you're looking for, but it's a start!
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Anybody knows if tbalden released the source of this tvoutd binary? Would really love to work on this one if I could get hold of the source.
Riyal said:
Anybody knows if tbalden released the source of this tvoutd binary? Would really love to work on this one if I could get hold of the source.
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I don't think he posted/released the source for the tv out app. Try sending him a PM. I'd be interested in helping you with this, if tv out via micro usb is even doable.
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I don't think he posted/released the source for the tv out app. Try sending him a PM. I'd be interested in helping you with this, if tv out via micro usb is even doable.
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Don't confuse tv-out (via 3.5mm 4-conductor phone plug) with MHL (via micro-USB connector/adapter) though...
...and I read in another xda thread that this phone may have the same
MHL chip that another phone had... Was it the sensation?
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All the guys who have examined it and worked hard on the subject have stated that it simply is not built in such a way as to do MHL. Blue IIRC was the guy who made the definitive statement.
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement
I tried dissecting the binary to extract as much information as I can have and I noticed that this daemon is hacking up the route of the hdmi to the headset passage and into the usb to the TV. I'm not really good into these technology as I am not even using HDMI lol! So unless there's a source code I can't continue development on this as I don't understand the process of this bruteforce hack.
So one feature not many people realize the Samsung Galaxy S3 has is the ability to redirect the line output through a dock. This is particularly helpful in a car where you can have it actually output straight to the stereo system when you plug it into a dock, but even in a home environment it can be handy if you have a dock with speakers built in or just leave something plugged into a dock for convenience. However, it seems in CyanogenMod 10 monthly at least it doesn't work. When I clicked the "request device support" button (thinking he probably wouldn't even touch CM10 given that it's still not really "officially supporting" the SGS3 yet anyway, I did get this response:
Please have the ROM dev supporting your model verify the correct mapping exists between the ROM audio device and the kernel audio path (commonly set in libaudio).
Example: DEVICE_OUT_ANLG_DOCK_HEADSET in ROM should map to the path PLAYBACK_EXTRA_DOCK in the kernel.
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Dan
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So if I go by this it sounds like it's mostly just a matter of a configuration in the audio libraries being used and I just need to let someone know.
I know this isn't important by any means, but it does seem like something that should probably still go in there just whenever they could get around to it. It can be very convenient at times IMO.
I believe all the framework is there.. we are just waiting on http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/25274/ to be merged.
Nazo said:
So one feature not many people realize the Samsung Galaxy S3 has is the ability to redirect the line output through a dock. This is particularly helpful in a car where you can have it actually output straight to the stereo system when you plug it into a dock, but even in a home environment it can be handy if you have a dock with speakers built in or just leave something plugged into a dock for convenience. However, it seems in CyanogenMod 10 monthly at least it doesn't work. When I clicked the "request device support" button (thinking he probably wouldn't even touch CM10 given that it's still not really "officially supporting" the SGS3 yet anyway, I did get this response:
So if I go by this it sounds like it's mostly just a matter of a configuration in the audio libraries being used and I just need to let someone know.
I know this isn't important by any means, but it does seem like something that should probably still go in there just whenever they could get around to it. It can be very convenient at times IMO.
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I believe all the framework is there.. we are just waiting on http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/25274/ to be merged.
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Ah, this is good to hear. It's obviously no high priority, so it will go in when it goes in, but I was worried I'd have to contact all sorts of people to bring it up as it seems like something they wouldn't have even thought of.
Thanks for the info.
I want this also, believe me. I just bought 5 of the Infuse 4G docks that ATT had on sale for 5 dollars. 2 desk docks and 3 car docks.
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Ah, this is good to hear. It's obviously no high priority, so it will go in when it goes in, but I was worried I'd have to contact all sorts of people to bring it up as it seems like something they wouldn't have even thought of.
Thanks for the info.
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I'm cheating. I ripped apart a desk dock that was being clearanced out by a seller on Amazon for the Galaxy S2 I think it was, and adapted it to be my car dock. The USB connector is on a small cable already, so the cable just sticks out and the rest of the electronics are housed in a micro-sized Altoids tin (one of those little ones you can buy for $1 or so.) This way I can just plug it in and it's compatible with my Otterbox, so this method can be convenient for anyone who wants a "dock" that's compatible with skins and cases at the catch that the cable must be manually plugged in after dropping it into a generic dock. Super-cheap too since so many of the older ones are being clearanced out with the SGS3 now out. The only catch being that, of course, some work is required and of course anything remotely resembling a warranty on the dock is utterly wiped out, lol.
Along with a dock control app that is set to automatically change settings like Bluetooth and to start my audio player, it's super convenient to just drop the phone into the generic dock in my car, plug that cable in, and I'm ready to go. I was using the line output redirector tool along with the stock firmware, but in the end I'd rather CyanogenMod and something minor like no line output redirecting (yet!) was no deterrent...
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I looked at that link but can't figure out how the CM projects work. Is this change for Verizon GS3 only or is going to be included for all carriers? Also, the status of the change is merged. How can I see which nightly this went into?
I could be wrong, but I'm inclined to say that something like this would be at a different level than anything carrier-specific as it's really just a hardware-specific level and thus should be the same across all carriers. However, if it helps any, I can say that I'm using d2vzw (aka Verizon.)
Also, the status of the change is merged. How can I see which nightly this went into?
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Ah, I didn't notice that. I just checked on mine and it's in the stable 10.0 which I switched to the other day. I don't know what nightly it might have first made it into, but in other words, it's there now. I'm using the "Galaxy Dock Sound Redirector" app personally.
EDIT: Woops! Correction. I was using that program from before because the original firmware required it to redirect the sound. However, it looks like there is a setting in the advanced section under sound. I haven't tested to see if it works as fully for me (it's not helping that I use a dock originally made to be a "desk" dock in my car, so a lot of things react differently) but likely that app is only necessary with the stock firmware.
EDIT2: Had time to test it now. CM10 stable's dock output works perfectly entirely on its own. I don't need a third party app or anything. It's just in kind of an unusual location (IMO it might be better if it were in the sound section.)
So I recently updated to the 10.1 now that they have a monthly available (basically it was suggested to me that monthlies could be considered more "stable" and reliable than, say, nightlies if any CyanogenMod could really be called stable, lol) and much to my chagrin it seems like the dock audio no longer works with this one even though that patch was supposedly accepted for 10.0? (Surely they wouldn't remove it?) Is something just set wrong, or has dock audio support on the SGS3 actually disappeared after they went to all the trouble to add it?
It's a sad day to see something take a step backwards like this. I can only hope it will be resolved later, but who knows?