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General question about the camera quality

Hi there,
this isn't strictly a M5 S Plus question but I am debating buying one.
My needs are quite simple:
- the phone needs to be rootable
- xposed needs to run on it
- the best camera I can afford and when I talk about a good camera I am looking at Samsung S7/S8 for comparison.
So I looked at the new MI 6 and it has a dual 12mp camera with OIS but only 1.25 µm pixel size and apparently the dual cameras are not being used to combine a picture with qualcomm's clearsight rather its 2 cameras with different angles aka 27mm and 52mm you can use to zoom and other gimmicks, not really contributing to the picture quality.
I then looked at the MI 5 PRO and it seems to have an even smaller 1.12 µm pixel size but instead it has OIS.
Alternatives which popped up are the MI 5S which has a single camera but with 1.55µm pixel size which is one of the biggest on the market and obviously the MI 5S Plus which is the only one using qualcomm's clearsight with dual 13MP cameras but a very small 1.12 µm pixel size
On the cheaper end there is the Xiaomi Redmi Pro although I couldn't find anything about its pixel size.
So after hours of reading reviews and pixel peeping I thought I'd ask for some users feedback, maybe someone has used one or two of these cameras and can give some real feedback on their quality?

Could this be the Official oneplus 6 specs ?

Oppomart listed the oneplus 6 with some amazing specs here: https://www.oppomart.com/oneplus-6-phone.html
Could these be the official specs of the upcoming OnePlus 6 ?

joosef93 said:
Oppomart listed the oneplus 6 with some amazing specs here: https://www.oppomart.com/oneplus-6-phone.html
Could these be the official specs of the upcoming OnePlus 6 ?
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From this website:
The all-new Oneplus 6 comes with a dual 20MP+16MP Sony camera sensors that work together when you take a shot. The standard RGB sensor captures color details and information, whereas the dedicated monochrome sensor provides a higher contrast, captures more light,and reduces image noise. So now shots taken with Oneplus 5T is clearer, better, and more vivid.
Note how it talks about the OnePlus 5T
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rav101 said:
From this website:
The all-new Oneplus 6 comes with a dual 20MP+16MP Sony camera sensors that work together when you take a shot. The standard RGB sensor captures color details and information, whereas the dedicated monochrome sensor provides a higher contrast, captures more light,and reduces image noise. So now shots taken with Oneplus 5T is clearer, better, and more vivid.
Note how it talks about the OnePlus 5T
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Except the fact that 5T doesn't have a monochrome sensor, it had a low light sensor IMX 376K which is BS and never proved to be good. The primary camera in 5T is Sony IMX 398 here it was mentioned as Sony IMX 518 So it maybe true since the R15 uses the same sensor. A monochrome or wide angle sensor is very much welcome than the telephoto sensor.

Ratheesh6 said:
Except the fact that 5T doesn't have a monochrome sensor, it had a low light sensor IMX 376K which is BS and never proved to be good. The primary camera in 5T is Sony IMX 398 here it was mentioned as Sony IMX 518 So it maybe true since the R15 uses the same sensor. A monochrome or wide angle sensor is very much welcome than the telephoto sensor.
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I will be honest and say I don't know too much about how different sensors come together (monochrome, telephoto, low light ect) to get the best photos.
I'm looking at a review of the R15 Pro and that also seems to have a 16mp main camera and 20mp secondary camera. On the R15 Pro the secondary camera is the same as the OnePlus 5T which might not bode well for the OP6. The review I'm reading (GSM arena) does however say that the camera, selfie camera (a 20mp one) are pros of the R15 Pro but does say the 20mp secondary camera is mostly PR and that 1080p videos are pretty aweful.
It looks like the OP6 will have a vertical configuration for the cameras where the R15 Pro uses a horizontal configuration. I believe based on the recently released camera samples, they are talking about the secondary camera being a telephoto one so the setup might be slightly different to the R15 Pro. Lastly, the camera app itself is different between Oppo and OnePlus so let's hope all of these potential differences add up to a better camera experience than the R15 Pro which itself isn't supposed to be a bad camera setup anyway.
I think ultimately, we aren't going to be getting 960fps slow mo videos or a camera setup that will come anywhere close to the Huawei P20 Pro but maybe it will be good enough to be in the pack getting to call themselves "good camera".
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Pixel XL (Gen1) vs OP6

So pre-ordered OP6! Currently have Pixel XL 32GB! Had the OP2 before! Reading reviews seems like a 50/50 split! Anyone think the upgrade is worth it? - very 75% towards but 25% bugs me not much upgraded since 5T

I upgraded from 5t after upgrading from pixel XL 1.
Camera I would say is on par with pixel 1 camera the 5t was close but not so perfect. Manual controls set it apart from the pixel, pixel was a great point and shoot but getting good macro shots with custom shutter speeds - there's only so much camera api2 can do without access to the hardware with OEM software
Snapdragon 845 is more efficient. 4k 60fps with stabilization.
Panel seems brighter than 5T.
Project treble support means with an AB partition means no downtime while upgrading I missed that a lot with the 5t. It also means Android P beta which I hope means they should deliver P art the same time as the pixel or soon after - just an assumption though
It looks like a wider array of radio bands for data them 5T but I think that's to do with 845 Soc.
Alert slider is now silent vibrate and ring which is really useful, but it's software the 5t can get it too in an update.
Not sure why but nfc payment on public transport seems to be quicker - pixel it took a while like iPhone people that try and use tend to stand for a few seconds to be authorized - 5t was much faster and 6 seems to get it almost as fast as an oyster card. But again it may be the Soc.
Only had it one day but my wife now has my 5t and I used it for 3 months so will see if I notice any difference.
Screen real estate, the notch screen really does help when paired with gesture controls.

Fingerprint is same??

Is there any actual upgrade on the in display fingerprint sensor?

Should be Gen 2, so definitely faster and more accurate than the 6T :good:

Pankajghosh said:
Is there any actual upgrade on the in display fingerprint sensor?
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Should be faster being Gen 2.
Should be disappointing due to still being an optical scanner.

Virgo_Guy said:
Should be faster being Gen 2.
Should be disappointing due to still being an optical scanner.
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6T has been pretty good for me so if it's even a small improvement on that I'll be happy

Virgo_Guy said:
Should be faster being Gen 2.
Should be disappointing due to still being an optical scanner.
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Unfortunately ultrasonic fingerprint scanner are much more expensive than optical even Huawei and P30 Pro got with optical and not ultrasonic.
I've heard that in Galaxy S10/10 Plus it's the second most expensive component after the OLED panel.
So in order to not increase much more the price of 7 oneplus deside use optical again but would be better implementation than 6T both accuracy and speed unlocking.
I would expect to be on par with P30 Pro and Oppo Reno performance.
On the other hand since BBK group having invest more than a year on optical technology evolving each generation every few months (We are now on 6th generation like on Oppo Reno has) I really doubt will ever use ultrasonic sensor near time soon unless become much more affordable to oneplus(oneplus 8 maybe)
But don't forget Vivo and Oppo are working on next generation that will work all across the screen without needed light up sensor)
That would be the ultimate solution not needed specific and very small erea like today both ultrasonic and optical using.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PM89Lzqizo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8UaGHSYkDg
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As per the rumor Oneplus 7 will sticks with the optical sensor like an Oneplus 6t. Ultrasonic is quite expensive, Maybe in the next series of Oneplus they can use USFPS.

This time the response time for the fingerprint will be faster than the One Plus 6t.

paatha13 said:
Unfortunately ultrasonic fingerprint scanner are much more expensive than optical even Huawei and P30 Pro got with optical and not ultrasonic.
I've heard that in Galaxy S10/10 Plus it's the second most expensive component after the OLED panel.
So in order to not increase much more the price of 7 oneplus deside use optical again but would be better implementation than 6T both accuracy and speed unlocking.
I would expect to be on par with P30 Pro and Oppo Reno performance.
On the other hand since BBK group having invest more than a year on optical technology evolving each generation every few months (We are now on 6th generation like on Oppo Reno has) I really doubt will ever use ultrasonic sensor near time soon unless become much more affordable to oneplus(oneplus 8 maybe)
But don't forget Vivo and Oppo are working on next generation that will work all across the screen without needed light up sensor)
That would be the ultimate solution not needed specific and very small erea like today both ultrasonic and optical using.
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So, In upcoming years we can expect an Ultrasonic sensor on the Oneplus or an Optical which is very faster compare to this 2ndGen.

The FP sensor has 3 lenses and 3x optical zoom.

djsubterrain said:
The FP sensor has 3 lenses and 3x optical zoom.
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From where did you got this information??

General Technical data about the P7 Pro - Overview

This thread will serve as a comprehensive overview about the technical data of the P7 Pro. I will take the data from sifting through various tech sites and will update this post if there are changes. Google only offers a fraction of these info, hence the need for a proper chart.
SpecificationsPixel 7 ProBuild
100% recycled aluminum frame
IP68 dust/water resitant (1.5m for 30 mins)
Corning Gorilla Glass Victus (front, back)
Nano-SIM and eSIM
Dimensions &
Weight
162.9 x 76.6 x 8.9mm
212g
Display
6.7-inch, 110.6cm² QHD+ LTPO pOLED (~88.7% screen-to-body ratio)
1440 x 3120 pixels, 19.5:9 ratio (~ 512 ppi density)
120Hz refresh rate
Always-on display
Variable refresh rate support (10-120Hz)
1000 nits (HBM), 1500 nits (peak)
HDR10+
ModemSamsung Exynos Modem 5300g (unannounced, confirmed through data mining and from a Google Rep Tier 2 today, special revision G confirmed by user in a store with a p7 pro unit)SoC
Google Tensor G2
2x ARM Cortex-X1 @2.85Ghz
2x ARM Cortex-A78 @2.35GHz
4x ARM Cortex-A55 @1.8GHz
ARM Mali G710 MP07 GPU
Next-gen Google custom TPU
RAM & Storage
12GB LPDDR5 RAM Micron
128/256GB/512GB UFS 3.1 storage
- 128 GB part number: HN8T05DEHKX073 (SK Hynix), SR 2050 MB/s, SW 1300MB/s, 3D NAND TLC
- 256 GB part number: THGJFGT1E45BAIP (Kioxia), SR 2100-2300 MB/s, SW 1.700 MB/s, 3D NAND TLC
- 512 GB part number: Unknown as of yet
Battery & Charging
5,000mAh battery
Wired fast charging (up to 50% in about 30 minutes with Google’s 30W USB-C brick, max sustained charge speed will be 23w)
Fast wireless charging support (Qi-certified)
Up to 72 hours of battery life with Extreme Battery Saver
Security
In-display fingerprint scanner (new hardware version as per the teardown leaked on 07/10/22, potentially better than P6/p6a)
Face Unlock (Class 1 Biometric, only for unlocking the phone, not usable for in-app biometrics or purchases)
Titan M2 chip
Rear Camera(s)
Primary: Samsung Isocell GN1 50 MP f/1.9, 25mm (wide), 1/1.31", 1.2µm, multi-directional PDAF, Laser AF, OIS
Ultra-wide: Sony IMX381 (unconfirmed as of yet) 12MP f/2.2, 1/2.9", 1.25µm, 125.8-degree FoV, autofocus, macro
Telephoto: Samsung Isocell GM5 (unconfirmed) 48MP f/3.5, multi-directional phase-detection autofocus, FHD 120fps (technical, not sure if Google unlocked this), 120mm (telephoto), 1/2.55", 0.7µm, 5x optical zoom, Super Res Zoom up to 30x, OIS
LDAF
Video:
4K 60FPS video capture support on all cameras
[email protected]/60/120/240fps
gyro-EIS
OIS
10-bit HDR video capture support
Front Camera(s)
10.8MP f/2.2, 21mm (ultrawide), 1/3.1", 1.22µm
Larger sensor for better night-time photos
4K60p recording (technical, maybe Google will only unlock 4k30)
Port(s)USB Type-C 3.2 Gen 2, 10Gbps
no 3.5mm jackAudioStereo SpeakersConnectivity
5G (mmWave support on select models)
4G LTE
Bluetooth 5.2, A2DP, LE, aptX HD
Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6e, tri-band, Wi-Fi Direct, hotspot
NFC
GPS dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, GALILEO, QZSS, BDS
Software
Android 13
3 years of OS updates
Minimum 5 years of security updates
Other Features
Google One VPN (no Google One sub needed)
Software features:
Photo Unblur
Faster Night Sight
Real Tone improvements
Cinematic Blur
Audio message transcription
Clear calling
Speech enhancement (background noise from people you call will be reduced, from their end)
Cough and snore detection

So in display fingerprint for in app authentication... Ugh that sucks

rester555 said:
So in display fingerprint for in app authentication... Ugh that sucks
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This whole community feedback on Faceunlock sparks a curious eyebrow raising.
When the P4 XL came out, there were thousands of people that screamed for a Fingerprint unlock. They didn't like Faceunlock. They felt Soli was pure gimmick. They didn't like the P4 XL. When the P5 came out, those voices rose again, calling out the P4 XL for having "mega bezels and ****ty biometrics".
Back when I used my P4 XL, I loved faceunlock, except for two facts
a) Faceunlock was horrible to use when I had to wear masks in shops or other public places, due to Covic restrictions in 2020/2021 - any time I wanted to pay via phone or look something up, I had to write down my pin, which is a horrible security risk when you are surrounded by other people.
b) most apps did not support Faceunlock biometrics at all, even 1 1/2 years after launch, only a handful of apps supported the new biometric API. Meaning, for example, whenever I wanted to open my banking app, I had to write down all the details by hand. That was terrible. And since it was the fault of the developers, and Google didn't force them to comply, there were little ways as a user to mitigate that problem.
Those voices soon died out, however. The ones that "upgraded" from a P4 XL noticed a) the p5 was a downgrade in specs and b) Faceunlock offers a good amount of practicality, IF done right. Now, the P4 XL with Soli was near perfect: You only had to get close with your hand to your phone, it detected you and when you picked it up, the unlock was instant. Friends of mine with IPhones saw that and were stunned and marveled about it ("you don't have to swipe to unlock your phone? You just have to pick it up, and it's fully automatic? Woa, that's cool, my IPhone can't do that. It's annoying to always swipe to unlock, even after faceunlock").
I loved the experience of Soli powered Faceunlock. Soli was not a gimmick, Soli was the final piece in the puzzle that made Faceunlock a seamless experience. The hand waving thing was a gimmick, yes, but not the detection to unlock.
Now, in the recent year, I've read hundreds, if not thousands of people over at Reddit, on Twitter or here at XDA, wishing for faceunlock. Something that (back in the day) barely managed to create a sort of positive feedback.
People tend to take something for granted, until it is taken away.
And instead of a decent faceunlock, we now - sadly, because of the overwhelmingly bad feedback of the Community about faceunlock - have a weak, 2D version that will only be used for simple phone unlocking.
Google should have gone the Apple route, made a notch and then refined upon it, PLUS adding the FP scanner.
Well, let's see what the future holds.

Morgrain said:
This whole community feedback on Faceunlock thing is interesting.
Back when I used my P4 XL, I loved faceunlock, except for two facts
a) Faceunlock was horrible to use when I had to wear masks in shops or other public places, due to Covic restrictions in 2020/2021
b) most apps did not support Faceunlock biometrics at all, even 1 1/2 years after launch, only a handful of apps supported the new biometric API. Meaning, for example, whenever I wanted to open my banking app, I had to write down all the details by hand. That was terrible. And since it was the fault of the developers, and Google didn't force them to comply, there were little ways as a user to mitigate that problem.
Back when the P4 XL came out, there were thousands of people that screamed for a Fingerprint unlock. They didn't like Faceunlock. They felt Soli was pure gimmick. They didn't like the P4 XL. When the P5 came out, those voices rose again, calling out the P4 XL for having "mega bezels and ****ty biometrics".
Those voices soon died out, however. The ones that "upgraded" from a P4 XL noticed a) the p5 was a downgrade in specs and b) Faceunlock offers a good amount of practicality, IF done right. Now, the P4 XL with Soli was near perfect: You only had to get close with your hand to your phone, it detected you and when you picked it up, the unlock was instand. I loved it. Soli was not a gimmick, Soli was the final piece in the puzzle that made Faceunlock a seamless experience. The hand waving thing was a gimmick, yes, but not the detection to unlock.
Now, in the recent year, I've read hundreds, if not thousands of people over at Reddit, on Twitter or here at XDA, wishing for faceunlock. Something that (back in the day) barely managed to create a sort of positive feedback.
People tend to take something for granted, until it is taken away.
And instead of a decent faceunlock, we now - sadly - get a weak, 2D version that will only be used for simple phone unlocking.
Google should have gone the Apple route, made a notch and then refined upon it, PLUS adding the FP scanner.
Well, let's see what the future holds.
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Absolutely agreed. I remember all the articles that said it was a gimmick. I agree that the hand gestures were a joke.
Saying that, I loved my Pixel 4 XL with the soli sensor. I was able to use the face unlock through a module on magisk with all apps that used the fingerprint sensor. So I had the best of both worlds.
I too remember when COVID made it difficult, but think the face unlock was still amazing. I second putting a pill back on the front display with the soli sensor to get a proper face unlock.
Currently on the pixel 6 pro, I am using the face unlock module from Moto baked in. It doesn't allow for you to use the face unlock on in-app though. That sucks. Here's to hoping you can use that API through some form of magisj module on all apps including unlocking the screen.

On second thought, the Pixel 4 XL, IMHO, was the best pixel to me from a utility stand point.

According to someone that checked a display model the modem is the 5300g. This contrasts to the leaks from Android Police that it would be the 5300b or from Twitter that it would be the 5300f.
I'm trying to find out what process node the G2 is on but I can't find any solid information. There are no references anywhere and I've seen guesses with 5LPE, 5LPP, 4LPX, 4LPE, 4LPP which hasn't even entered volume yet, and shout out again to Android Police with the non-existent "4PLP" which they've misconstrued from the process of fan-out panel level packaging.
It's probably going to be on 4LPE, my bigger question is whether the modem is going to internal this time. They cut back on the size of the GPU, so they might have enough space to make the modem internal now. If they don't then it's probably another year of bad efficiency. Will have to wait for TechInsights to do a teardown.

Also the telephoto sensor should be the GM5 as it has 0.7 micrometer pixels, while the GM1 is 0.8 micrometer.

Yes, here's to hoping the modem is internal.

Namelesswonder said:
According to someone that checked a display model the modem is the 5300g. This contrasts to the leaks from Android Police that it would be the 5300b or from Twitter that it would be the 5300f.
I'm trying to find out what process node the G2 is on but I can't find any solid information. There are no references anywhere and I've seen guesses with 5LPE, 5LPP, 4LPX, 4LPE, 4LPP which hasn't even entered volume yet, and shout out again to Android Police with the non-existent "4PLP" which they've misconstrued from the process of fan-out panel level packaging.
It's probably going to be on 4LPE, my bigger question is whether the modem is going to internal this time. They cut back on the size of the GPU, so they might have enough space to make the modem internal now. If they don't then it's probably another year of bad efficiency. Will have to wait for TechInsights to do a teardown.
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Namelesswonder said:
Also the telephoto sensor should be the GM5 as it has 0.7 micrometer pixels, while the GM1 is 0.8 micrometer.
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Changed those values. Thanks for the infos!

Morgrain said:
This thread will serve as a comprehensive overview about the technical data of the P7 Pro. I will take the data from sifting through various tech sites and will update this post if there are changes. Google only offers a fraction of these info, hence the need for a proper chart.
SpecificationsPixel 7 ProBuild
100% recycled aluminum frame
IP68 dust/water resitant (1.5m for 30 mins)
Corning Gorilla Glass Victus (front, back)
Nano-SIM and eSIM
Dimensions &
Weight
162.9 x 76.6 x 8.9mm
212g
Display
6.7-inch, 110.6cm² QHD+ LTPO pOLED (~88.7% screen-to-body ratio)
1440 x 3120 pixels, 19.5:9 ratio (~ 512 ppi density)
120Hz refresh rate
Always-on display
Variable refresh rate support (10-120Hz)
1000 nits (HBM), 1500 nits (peak)
HDR10+
ModemSamsung Exynos Modem 5300g (unannounced, confirmed through data mining and from a Google Rep Tier 2 today, special revision G confirmed by user in a store with a p7 pro unit)SoC
Google Tensor G2
2x ARM Cortex-X1 @2.85Ghz
2x ARM Cortex-A78 @2.35GHz
4x ARM Cortex-A55 @1.8GHz
ARM Mali G710 MP07 GPU
Next-gen Google custom TPU
RAM & Storage
12GB LPDDR5 RAM
128/256GB/512GB UFS 3.1 storage
Battery & Charging
5,000mAh battery
Wired fast charging (up to 50% in about 30 minutes with Google’s 30W USB-C brick, max sustained charge speed will be 23w)
Fast wireless charging support (Qi-certified)
Up to 72 hours of battery life with Extreme Battery Saver
Security
In-display fingerprint scanner (new hardware version as per the teardown leaked on 07/10/22, potentially better than P6/p6a)
Face Unlock (Class 1 Biometric, only for unlocking the phone, not usable for in-app biometrics or purchases)
Titan M2 chip
Rear Camera(s)
Primary: Samsung Isocell GN1 50 MP f/1.9, 25mm (wide), 1/1.31", 1.2µm, multi-directional PDAF, Laser AF, OIS
Ultra-wide: Sony IMX381 (unconfirmed as of yet) 12MP f/2.2, 1/2.9", 1.25µm, 125.8-degree FoV, autofocus, macro
Telephoto: Samsung Isocell GM5 (unconfirmed) 48MP f/3.5, multi-directional phase-detection autofocus, FHD 120fps (technical, not sure if Google unlocked this), 120mm (telephoto), 1/2.55", 0.7µm, 5x optical zoom, Super Res Zoom up to 30x, OIS
LDAF
Video:
4K 60FPS video capture support on all cameras
[email protected]/60/120/240fps
gyro-EIS
OIS
10-bit HDR video capture support
Front Camera(s)
10.8MP f/2.2, 21mm (ultrawide), 1/3.1", 1.22µm
Larger sensor for better night-time photos
4K60p recording (technical, maybe Google will only unlock 4k30)
Port(s)USB Type-C 3.2 Gen 2
no 3.5mm jackAudioStereo SpeakersConnectivity
5G (mmWave support on select models)
4G LTE
Bluetooth 5.2, A2DP, LE, aptX HD
Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6e, tri-band, Wi-Fi Direct, hotspot
NFC
GPS dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, GALILEO, QZSS, BDS
Software
Android 13
3 years of OS updates
Minimum 5 years of security updates
Other Features
Google One VPN (no Google One sub needed)
Software features:
Photo Unblur
Faster Night Sight
Real Tone improvements
Cinematic Blur
Audio message transcription
Clear calling
Speech enhancement (background noise from people you call will be reduced, from their end)
Cough and snore detection
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"This thread will serve as a comprehensive overview about the technical data of the P7 Pro"
I'm game lets put together the info we all wish we had and do it right! hehehe
& the model numbers for replacement parts are what?
LOL Someone has completed a teardown but didn't list out all the "replacement parts list & locations guide" so users could repair what gets broken easily.....
Google should make this avalible...
wait we don't live in a world where this : https://www.onearmy.earth//project/phonebloks is reality manfest.

Morgrain said:
Telephoto: Samsung Isocell GM5 (unconfirmed) 48MP f/3.5, multi-directional phase-detection autofocus, FHD 120fps (technical, not sure if Google unlocked this), 120mm (telephoto), 1/2.55", 0.7µm, 5x optical zoom, Super Res Zoom up to 30x, OIS
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Do you have a source for the 120mm claim on the telephoto?
Thanks in advance!!!!

benleonheart said:
Do you have a source for the 120mm claim on the telephoto?
Thanks in advance!!!!
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Sure
Google Pixel 7 Pro - Full phone specifications
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Can anyone confirm what the DAC will be capable of? likely to manage lossless or will i need to go for an external DAC?

wilbur-force said:
Can anyone confirm what the DAC will be capable of? likely to manage lossless or will i need to go for an external DAC?
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You're going to have to get an external DAC because the only thing connected to the internal DAC are the speakers, there's no other way to get an analog audio signal out of the phone.

Why three years only update os

m3ath said:
Why three years only update os
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Not sure why, but should be more!

galaxys said:
Not sure why, but should be more!
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yes but Google has not yet announced that it will be 3 years, this number is not a source

m3ath said:
yes but Google has not yet announced that it will be 3 years, this number is not a source
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Yep, their support page which lists how long guaranteed Android version updates will be for doesn't list the Pixel 7 series yet. Haven't seen an official word elsewhere, but might have missed it.
The fine print in the Google Store say:
"Pixel security updates for at least 5 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store in the US. Updates may also include feature drops and other software updates. See g.co/pixel/updates for more information."
Having said that, I'm guessing it will still be 3 years of OS updates. If it were more I think they would have announced it during the Event to entice more people to buy it.

Namelesswonder said:
You're going to have to get an external DAC because the only thing connected to the internal DAC are the speakers, there's no other way to get an analog audio signal out of the phone.
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I thought most android phones had internal DACs for USB audio but that they normally didn't push high quality?

Namelesswonder said:
According to someone that checked a display model the modem is the 5300g. This contrasts to the leaks from Android Police that it would be the 5300b or from Twitter that it would be the 5300f.
I'm trying to find out what process node the G2 is on but I can't find any solid information. There are no references anywhere and I've seen guesses with 5LPE, 5LPP, 4LPX, 4LPE, 4LPP which hasn't even entered volume yet, and shout out again to Android Police with the non-existent "4PLP" which they've misconstrued from the process of fan-out panel level packaging.
It's probably going to be on 4LPE, my bigger question is whether the modem is going to internal this time. They cut back on the size of the GPU, so they might have enough space to make the modem internal now. If they don't then it's probably another year of bad efficiency. Will have to wait for TechInsights to do a teardown.
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For what it's worth, appears to be 4LPE as you surmised, that is if SamMobile is not a close sibling of Android Police
Google’s Tensor G2 chipset uses Samsung’s 4nm process, Exynos 5300 5G modem
The Pixel 7 and the Pixel 7 Pro, which were launched last week, use Samsung Foundry's 4nm fabrication process and ...
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EDIT: Of course, Android Authority says 5nm, quoting a Google spokesperson...
Google Tensor G2 is a 5nm chip, despite what the internet might say
Google has confirmed that the Tensor G2 processor powering the Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro is built on a 5-nanometer manufacturing process.
www.androidauthority.com