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The new XZ2 compact was just announced at MWC. How is 5 inch screen now considered compact? The phone isn't that much bigger than Xz1 compact, but the reachability of corners on the screen is still going to be difficult.
I for one hate it. All the good things about the Xperia compact are gone. First of all, it's not a compact phone, just modest in size (almost like Samsung s8). And the awesome angular design is gone. That was unique nowadays - everybody makes rounded phones. I loved Sony's monolith design. And the fingerprint on power is also gone. Replaced by what everyone else has.
The only good thing is that it's as powerful as regular flagships, but then, it's almost as big as other flagships, so what's the point.
Today's very unfortunate. I hope my Xz1 compact does not die and keeps getting updates.
Agreed. And the worst rumor is that it won't have a headphone jack. That just sucks!
6mm taller, 1mm wider, rear fingerprint instead of side (best placement), no 3.5mm, 18:9 instead of 16:9, no thanks.
Best thing about the XZ2C is that now the XZ1C's price will probably drop
Was disappointed when i heard 5 inch for a "compact". I fear this will mark the end of the true Compact (sub 5 inch) phone.
Perhaps my XZ1C will be the last compact I own.
That's exactly what I'm thinking. And that would mean, the last Sony phone I'll purchase. Too bad, loved the battery life on these phones. My only hope now is that the pixel phone at the end of the year does not increase it's screen size and reduces bezel like pixel2xl, maybe then it'll be manageable.
Even if you cut all bezels from a 6" phone, it still remains with a 6" screen?
Anyway, it's funny how compact is now perfect for guys with normal hands.
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Best thing about the XZ2C is that now the XZ1C's price will probably drop
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Pretty much this. I already own an XZ1 Compact and if Sony continues on their current craptastic path I will buy another XZ1 Compact when my current one dies out.
If I wanted a 5" phone there are many other options out there that are well under the 700 dollar price point. And if I wanted a phone that looked like an HTC, I would buy an HTC.
Trivia: it was htc to "copy" sony (if really any). Look at "xperia P".
Also, I'm curios to know these [new] 5" phones. I'd sell my ass if they were any higher than the low mid-end.
i think a 5" screen can be considered a compact phone nowadays, with all these new *****ng big phones being released, also considering it has virtual buttons that steal screen space. 4.6" and virtual buttons is little too small for me.. still.. the best would have been same dimensions and design of the xz1 I agree, with just less bezels and 5" screen! (really don't care if it had to be 16:9..)
plus, same thickness as xz1, or if you increase it, put a bigger battery!
i too liked more lateral FPS, but being on the back (and always on, so don't need dt2w to wake phone) i can leave with it.
also missing jack is not a good thing, but again not a big deal for me, as long as they ship the phone with the dual adapter, while in the office can both charge phone and use wired headphones for calls (out of office, if i use headphones, i already use bt ones).
i hate those damned curved panels though, making it almost impossible to find good tempered glass that perfectly fit... but better than Samsung style edge screens at least....
still it is a flagship in pretty compact shell, a pure rarity today, so may get one, if camera is really improved (especially low light) also considering with the preorder offer i could get nice wireless headphones i could sell, so final purchasing price for the compact one could be around 400€... not bad for a just released flagship!
i just really miss old good fm radio... but find me a small flagship with it..
I'm also tempted by the pixel 2 (great camera, stock android, updates) but it is bigger and those useless huge bezels.. plus it would still be more expensive..
...and i don't rely too much in new pixels.. I'm pretty sure new smaller pixel, if it will come, will have same dimensions as current pixel 2, but with bigger screen (so even more difficult to reach angles with one hand mode usage) and probably with that awful notch..? no thank you!
I prefer all the life more thickness, rear FPS, missing jack rather than having that damned notch! shame on all those who are copying apple.. even that pure sh*t new design! my god..
btw.. only sure thing is that for us liking nice portable phones is just becoming a real nightmare finding a new phone to "upgrade" to..
...and sorry for the long post.. just needed to share my frustrations..
The saddest news of all with the 5 inch screen is that the Android compact is officially dead. I had to move to the iPhone when the SE came out to keep my compact flagship a reality because my xperia compact cameras sucked, I moved to the iphone 7 and 8 after, and now they are killing the sub 5 inch iPhone for all 6+ inch iPhones this year. iPhone 8 will be the last true compact flagship ever made most likely. COMPACT PHONES ARE OFFICIALLY DEAD.
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The saddest news of all with the 5 inch screen is that the Android compact is officially dead. I had to move to the iPhone when the SE came out to keep my compact flagship a reality because my xperia compact cameras sucked, I moved to the iphone 7 and 8 after, and now they are killing the sub 5 inch iPhone for all 6+ inch iPhones this year. iPhone 8 will be the last true compact flagship ever made most likely. COMPACT PHONES ARE OFFICIALLY DEAD.
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so you are saying the iphone 8 is the last true compact flagship, while the XZ2 is even smaller than the iphone 8?
it is just thicker, but I prefer a shorter phone rather than taller but thinner...
not to mention the iphone 8 is bigger but with smaller screen... lol if I think we all (me included) always blamed sony for their huge bezels (up to the xz1 series) and apple always made (and is still doing, see 8 plus) even bigger bezels... well if apple fans are happy..
btw, I pre-ordered the xz2c with the wireless headphones bundle offer... can't wait to try it out, hope the camera is really improved this time and can keep this new phone at least couple of years, really don't want to keep changing phone every year! :fingers-crossed:
I'm looking forward to it overall. 720p on previous Compacts is starting to feel a bit small and it's overall barely larger than previous Compacts despite being a 5" screen. I welcome the higher resolution, even if it does cost a bit more in battery life. Plus it now has 64GB onboard storage plus a MicroSD card slot. I should be able to fit whatever I want on it now. The missing headphone jack is rather disappointing, but not a total dealbreaker. So I'm planning to get one when it's available.
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I'm looking forward to it overall. 720p on previous Compacts is starting to feel a bit small and it's overall barely larger than previous Compacts despite being a 5" screen. I welcome the higher resolution, even if it does cost a bit more in battery life. Plus it now has 64GB onboard storage plus a MicroSD card slot. I should be able to fit whatever I want on it now. The missing headphone jack is rather disappointing, but not a total dealbreaker. So I'm planning to get one when it's available.
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I'm also looking forward to mine... pre-ordered from clove in the UK.
Go Sony
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so you are saying the iphone 8 is the last true compact flagship, while the XZ2 is even smaller than the iphone 8?
it is just thicker, but I prefer a shorter phone rather than taller but thinner...
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Xz2 compact isn't a flagship just because it has a flagship processor, the camera is again holding it back from being relevant just like every single xperia compact before it
If we could go back to the 4.3" screen and reduce the bezels we'd have a winning phone. But 5" is MASSIVE and the reduced bezels are not enough for me to pick it over a pixel/Galaxy/iPhone if I have to compromise this much on screen size and camera. Its not that much smaller at all.
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Xz2 compact isn't a flagship just because it has a flagship processor, the camera is again holding it back from being relevant just like every single xperia compact before it
If we could go back to the 4.3" screen and reduce the bezels we'd have a winning phone. But 5" is MASSIVE and the reduced bezels are not enough for me to pick it over a pixel/Galaxy/iPhone if I have to compromise this much on screen size and camera. Its not that much smaller at all.
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i think you didn't read enough reviews of the xz2c.. or we did read different things.. the all i read, say this time camera really improved a lot, and is on par with other flagships. i even saw better pictures taken with the xz2c compared to some of s8 or even s9 ones..
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Xz2 compact isn't a flagship just because it has a flagship processor, the camera is again holding it back from being relevant just like every single xperia compact before it
If we could go back to the 4.3" screen and reduce the bezels we'd have a winning phone. But 5" is MASSIVE and the reduced bezels are not enough for me to pick it over a pixel/Galaxy/iPhone if I have to compromise this much on screen size and camera. Its not that much smaller at all.
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This statement makes no sense at all. Your only choice is the iPhone SE then unless there are other small screen phones in secret out there
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I'm looking forward to it overall. 720p on previous Compacts is starting to feel a bit small and it's overall barely larger than previous Compacts despite being a 5" screen. I welcome the higher resolution, even if it does cost a bit more in battery life. Plus it now has 64GB onboard storage plus a MicroSD card slot. I should be able to fit whatever I want on it now. The missing headphone jack is rather disappointing, but not a total dealbreaker. So I'm planning to get one when it's available.
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Exactly. Screen improvement is what I was waiting for. I don't mind not having a headphone jack, and shipping with Oreo means it'll have Treble support for some additional flexibility. Glass back devices are ridiculous, so that's a plus, and there's no notch in the screen.
Sign me up!
I really also hate the new design - its not a Sony anymore. I would like to have a copmact one with a 4.6" screen and smaler bezels: so the phone shoudl be smaler not the screen bigger!
And pls fingerprint on the side...
Best thing Sony coudl do: a SE of the XZ1C with 64GB, and better Camera
I m using galaxy series from galaxy 2 can i shift to oneplus 7 pro or go for latest s10.... need help
Bro get the Op 7
Op7 Pro for the win...
Oneplus 7 Pro will destroy the S10 series.
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Oneplus 7 Pro will destroy the S10 series.
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On some levels Id say OP7 pro is better for sure. Faster internal storage, faster overall user experience, faster updates, no camera hole, 90 hz screen. Its definitely cheaper as well if that matters
But the cameras (front and rear) won't match the S10, no external storage, only 256gb of internal storage compared to 512 and 2tb on S10. No wireless charging, no IP rating (bucket of water hardly counts) lol.
It will certainly not destroy the S10 that's for sure.
Samsung wins in the camera department by far
Now it depends what do you prefer
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On some levels Id say OP7 pro is better for sure. Faster internal storage, faster overall user experience, faster updates, no camera hole, 90 hz screen. Its definitely cheaper as well of that matters
But the cameras (front and rear) won't match the S10, no external storage, only 256gb of internal storage compared to 512 and 2tb on S10. No wireless charging, no IP rating (bucket of water hardly counts) lol.
It will certainly not destroy the S10 that's for sure.
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Yes I agree, The camera part of the Oneplus is a bit weak compare to the S10 series.
TL;DR: Go for OnePlus 7 Pro. Easy choice.
Personally I think Samsung's flagship devices are a waste of money. Before you read on! I'm not fully updated on all of what I'm going to complain about, so it might've changed!
To me, Samsung has nothing unique to offer, yet their devices are almost as expensive as an iPhone. Which in my opinion is insane. Samsung offers a ****ty version of Android that looks **** (think it actually looks better now than it did before), full of bloat; it doesn't even let you uninstall Instagram. Personally I'm not a huge fan of their self-made apps either. In my opinion, it would be better to spend that money on an iPhone, which at least offers something unique (being iOS).
When it comes to OnePlus. They seem to have a great vision when it comes to how they do things. One of the things I really like with them, is that you're allowed to root the phone, and you won't void warranty. Though, to lots of people, rooting isn't very major. However, their version of Android is very nice. It is close to stock Android, has close to no bloat. The bloat that it has, you can uninstall (with root). Their hardware is very nice, and now more than ever with their new OnePlus 7 Pro (OP7P). Then the price you pay is less than any other phone with same specs.
When it comes to camera, there might be better options. However, OP7P has a very decent camera, and when someone ports the Pixel camera app to work on OP7(P), it will (probably) improve the camera greatly.
I own both the 7 Pro and the S10+
This is coming from someone who hasn't owned a Samsung since the Note 4 and has owned almost every OnePlus device.
While the 7 Pro is a really good phone the S10+ is just better. The only things better on the 7 Pro is the screen scrolling, OnePlus gestures (best Android gestures hands down), UFS 3.0 storage, and screen off gestures.
The fingerprint reader is faster on the 7 Pro but the fingerprint reader on S10+ works when your fingers are wet, and you don't need to wake the screen to use it.
I do like the size of the 7 Pro (I like bigger phones) but in-hand the S10+ feels better, 7 Pro is thicker than the S10+.
Samsung's new One UI is nothing like the old Touchwiz. The S10+ has so many customization option it's not even funny. I have found no reason to want to root the S10+ (coming from someone who has rooted every single phone they have owned).
7 Pro camera is ok but the camera on the S10+ is good if not great (not Pixel great).
I had the s10 and returned it. The finger print sensor on it was not working consistently. Samsung has too much bloatware for me and didn't see a major difference from my pixel 2 xl. Only good thing about Samsung is Samsung pay. Op 7 so far I'm loving it. It depends on what you are looking for. I don't really care for camera and I'm not worried about getting some water on the phone. Also i don't use wireless charging. The specs on op7 are ridiculous for the price. Plus op7 will get the latest updates including Q faster than Samsung phones.
I have a one question.which the op7 display quality compare the s10+?
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I had the s10 and returned it. The finger print sensor on it was not working consistently. Samsung has too much bloatware for me and didn't see a major difference from my pixel 2 xl. Only good thing about Samsung is Samsung pay. Op 7 so far I'm loving it. It depends on what you are looking for. I don't really care for camera and I'm not worried about getting some water on the phone. Also i don't use wireless charging. The specs on op7 are ridiculous for the price. Plus op7 will get the latest updates including Q faster than Samsung phones.
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OP7 is water proof though, they just didn't care to pay for the IP-certification.
I have the ceramic 10+ it is lovely but I will say that the 7 pro looks terrific, Oxygen OS and the fast updates are tempting and I am not expecting Q anywhere near the 10+ until 2020. The camera edge is probably still just with the 10+ and the expandable storage too but other than that the 7 pro is a compelling package for sure, well almost…..
….For me though an always on display and wireless charging are important features, I could probably do without wireless charging but with them marketing it as a pro model it really should have been included IMO. As for the always on display with so many OEMs offering this now that there is no reason for me to consider OP until they do too. I get that some people do not rate this feature but me it has fast become a must-have.
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I have the ceramic 10+ it is lovely but I will say that the 7 pro looks terrific, Oxygen OS and the fast updates are tempting and I am not expecting Q anywhere near the 10+ until 2020. The camera edge is probably still just with the 10+ and the expandable storage too but other than that the 7 pro is a compelling package for sure, well almost…..
….For me though an always on display and wireless charging are important features, I could probably do without wireless charging but with them marketing it as a pro model it really should have been included IMO. As for the always on display with so many OEMs offering this now that there is no reason for me to consider OP until they do too. I get that some people do not rate this feature but me it has fast become a must-have.
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How does the 10+ camera compare to your Pixel 2 XL? I've just come from a Pixel 2 XL to the 7 Pro and the difference is huge, there is a lot of hope riding on GCam turning this camera around - i've got a 15 day window to return the 7 Pro and it will be going back if there isn't progress on the camera front (and then possibly going the S10+ route if the camera is any better).
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How does the 10+ camera compare to your Pixel 2 XL? I've just come from a Pixel 2 XL to the 7 Pro and the difference is huge, there is a lot of hope riding on GCam turning this camera around - i've got a 15 day window to return the 7 Pro and it will be going back if there isn't progress on the camera front (and then possibly going the S10+ route if the camera is any better).
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Well the main sensor is pretty good on the 7 pro, we don't know about the other sensors (wide, tele) though. It might get better in the future, because the main sensor is pretty good and the weakest part seems to be the software for now. Also, you can't film with the wide angle lens on the 7 pro, and we don't know if that will be possible in the future. That's the reason why I will wait 1 more month until I decide which phone I will buy. The worst case: I have to wait until Google releases their pixel 4 because I can't stand the design of the pixel 3 XL.
I have the S10+ and have a OP7 in the box right now, probably switching over.
S10+ still lags if not rebooted every couple of days for me.
Exynos camera is meh and so is standby time.
I like the S10 but it didn't live up to the hype, want a phone I don't have to baby
Snapdragon is a different story from what I've read
The OS and notchless screen are huge selling points for me.
Won't really miss wireless charging too much, don't use the SD slot as I have 2 Sims.
Agree, being shortchanged with the exynos has left a sour taste this year.
I'm just not sure I could lose an AOD, especially as the is no led. I tried before and it bugged the hell out of me. I am though still very tempted!
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How does the 10+ camera compare to your Pixel 2 XL? I've just come from a Pixel 2 XL to the 7 Pro and the difference is huge, there is a lot of hope riding on GCam turning this camera around - i've got a 15 day window to return the 7 Pro and it will be going back if there isn't progress on the camera front (and then possibly going the S10+ route if the camera is any better).
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S10 is more versatile but the main camera in the 2xl is imo better.
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I caved and purchased the OP 7pro so now have both and 2 weeks in and I am conflicted on the OP7 vs the S10+.
The OP is a beast and I have found it more of a burden to carry and use than my S10+, it also makes an iPhone Xs max look small! I have also missed the always on display, wireless charging a little but no big deal. I’d also say that outside the extra brightness of the Samsung makes it easier to see, again no biggy. I prefer pretty much everything else about the OP7 Pro though and one thing I have noticed (and have posted this over on the S10 forum) is how much better the radio performance is on the OP7, I think this may be more down to the S10+ being bad than the OP7 being really good but at my work for example the S10 clings to 1 bar of 4G and often drops to 3G whereas the OP7 is rock solid on 3 or 4 bars of 4G all day. I have also installed Gcam and it works really well.
I won’t comment too much on the FPS, both work ok with the OP being quicker and the S10 being maybe more convenient on account of not having to wake the screen first. I do though still prefer a rear mounted sensor like the Pixel which is IMO just a better, quicker and easier option.
Re the AOD I read that OP have said they are working on this but are still citing battery concerns, given how good and polished oxygen OS is I just do not get why OnePlus are finding it so hard to provide a proper always on display? Lots of other OEM’s have managed it, LG even managed it on an LCD screen. Anyway fingers crossed they are at least on the case now.
So overall it is a seriously good device, I do though wish it was just not quite so big.
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Nozemi said:
TL;DR: Go for OnePlus 7 Pro. Easy choice.
Personally I think Samsung's flagship devices are a waste of money. Before you read on! I'm not fully updated on all of what I'm going to complain about, so it might've changed!
To me, Samsung has nothing unique to offer, yet their devices are almost as expensive as an iPhone. Which in my opinion is insane. Samsung offers a ****ty version of Android that looks **** (think it actually looks better now than it did before), full of bloat; it doesn't even let you uninstall Instagram. Personally I'm not a huge fan of their self-made apps either. In my opinion, it would be better to spend that money on an iPhone, which at least offers something unique (being iOS).
When it comes to OnePlus. They seem to have a great vision when it comes to how they do things. One of the things I really like with them, is that you're allowed to root the phone, and you won't void warranty. Though, to lots of people, rooting isn't very major. However, their version of Android is very nice. It is close to stock Android, has close to no bloat. The bloat that it has, you can uninstall (with root). Their hardware is very nice, and now more than ever with their new OnePlus 7 Pro (OP7P). Then the price you pay is less than any other phone with same specs.
When it comes to camera, there might be better options. However, OP7P has a very decent camera, and when someone ports the Pixel camera app to work on OP7(P), it will (probably) improve the camera greatly.
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Why does it have to be unique, I don't care about that? I care about it being a good phone, a well rounded one at that. It's hard to pack a lot of features into a cheaper phone, and often results in some corner cutting and that's what happened. The pop up camera is a DISASTER and all over China one plus has had to offer an apology and a slightly extended warranty, I'd never trust that and it collects a whole lot of dust around the top of the camera port when sitting in your pocket and such, regardless of the waterproof red ring on the top.
One UI is great, I bought the s10+ and never received Instagram, and not much bloatware at all, oneUI has almost no issues besides Bixby, which Samsung even lets you disable. OneUI has been garbage, but its great in this new phone, just look at what most reviewers have to say. The s10+ is way more well rounded then the op7 pro, which has some standout features but some pitfalls top. 90HZ is great but still isn't a huge difference and the battery life is quite poor on the OP 7 pro, I went to t-mobile and didn't notice much of a difference if at all, I did notice a difference with the 120hz razor phone though, maybe if you slow the phone down by 5x the 90 hz will have a big difference.
And you're acting like iPhones are a similar value, the hardware of iPhones in general doesn't even compare to Samsung, they're GARBAGE. Unlocked right now is a s10+ and a XR for around the same price, 880p LCD vs 1440p 4k OLED display, 18 watt vs 5 watt charger, 4100 mah battery vs 3200 mah, wide angle + telephoto lens, no giant notch and a bigger screen, slightly curved edges, headphone Jack, expandable storage, way more ram AND storage. Gtfo saying these phones are close in that regard, apple is only for iOS, why would you rather buy an iPhone. Without nova launcher, Samsung offers LOADS of customization. Also real world pricing is 29$ for a OP 7 pro a month with t-mobile which is the only seller in the US, sprint is 25$ for a s10+ with upgrade plan and all, which makes a lot more sense then spending way more to buy a phone outright vs only paying half price then upgrading to the latest and greatest phone of your choosing, keep in mind most people use carrier plans so this is the more realistic example. Oh and no wireless charging with the OP 7 pro, IP rating, headphone Jack, expandable storage, etc.
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Why does it have to be unique, I don't care about that? I care about it being a good phone, a well rounded one at that. It's hard to pack a lot of features into a cheaper phone, and often results in some corner cutting and that's what happened. The pop up camera is a DISASTER and all over China one plus has had to offer an apology and a slightly extended warranty, I'd never trust that and it collects a whole lot of dust around the top of the camera port when sitting in your pocket and such, regardless of the waterproof red ring on the top.
One UI is great, I bought the s10+ and never received Instagram, and not much bloatware at all, oneUI has almost no issues besides Bixby, which Samsung even lets you disable. OneUI has been garbage, but its great in this new phone, just look at what most reviewers have to say. The s10+ is way more well rounded then the op7 pro, which has some standout features but some pitfalls top. 90HZ is great but still isn't a huge difference and the battery life is quite poor on the OP 7 pro, I went to t-mobile and didn't notice much of a difference if at all, I did notice a difference with the 120hz razor phone though, maybe if you slow the phone down by 5x the 90 hz will have a big difference.
And you're acting like iPhones are a similar value, the hardware of iPhones in general doesn't even compare to Samsung, they're GARBAGE. Unlocked right now is a s10+ and a XR for around the same price, 880p LCD vs 1440p 4k OLED display, 18 watt vs 5 watt charger, 4100 mah battery vs 3200 mah, wide angle + telephoto lens, no giant notch and a bigger screen, slightly curved edges, headphone Jack, expandable storage, way more ram AND storage. Gtfo saying these phones are close in that regard, apple is only for iOS
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Biased much?
In my region, the S10 is cheaper than the base 7 pro. I like both phones, but I can't wrap my head around on which one to get.
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In my region, the S10 is cheaper than the base 7 pro. I like both phones, but I can't wrap my head around on which one to get.
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I would get the 7 pro OxygenOS is it's own custom ROM and OnePlus is very generous when it comes to hacking their phones
In my few days using the OnePlus 7 Pro I can't say for sure which one is better. It is close honestly. Do you rely on custom roms/root more of a main big time solid feature packed phone?
Oneplus is going to have more room for development as far as root and rom goes but Samsung is going to have more app support and many many more users.
Samsung camera hardware is solid. I miss my S10+ camera a little so far but not as much as when I missed pixel camera! I think the next few updates will be big for OPO and camera
Battery is very close so fair between them with a slight edge to the S10+
Screen, honestly this is my biggest shock where the Oneplus might take the gold here, that full unobstructed screen is great and bright and vibrant. Love that I can make my phone and laptop both DCI-P3 or srgb. Do not know why more manufacturers don't add normalized color profiles into their devices
UI is close, maybe a slight edge to Samsung because of a few more added features but then again this is almost personal preference
So as you can see they are extremely close in almost all areas
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In my few days using the OnePlus 7 Pro I can't say for sure which one is better. It is close honestly. Do you rely on custom roms/root more of a main big time solid feature packed phone?
Oneplus is going to have more room for development as far as root and rom goes but Samsung is going to have more app support and many many more users.
Samsung camera hardware is solid. I miss my S10+ camera a little so far but not as much as when I missed pixel camera! I think the next few updates will be big for OPO and camera
Battery is very close so fair between them with a slight edge to the S10+
Screen, honestly this is my biggest shock where the Oneplus might take the gold here, that full unobstructed screen is great and bright and vibrant. Love that I can make my phone and laptop both DCI-P3 or srgb. Do not know why more manufacturers don't add normalized color profiles into their devices
UI is close, maybe a slight edge to Samsung because of a few more added features but then again this is almost personal preference
So as you can see they are extremely close in almost all areas
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I hack my phones when the manufacturer drops support for it. I'm now more incline to get the 7 pro than the s10 now.
If you value camera quality get the s10. If you value a closer to stock Android expericnes and software updates get the OP
I got an Xperia 1 for £500 and a OP7 Pro 12Gb model for £550, I should receive both tomorrow and sell one of them later, just really unsure which one to sell, I know tomorrow I'll have a better perception, but at the moment, I can't make up my mind, why I should keep one over the other, they both have stock Android, Sony's has very fast security updates, almost on point with the Pixel phones, and that 4K screen should be amazing, now the OP7 Pro, has an amazing dev community, no features lost if bootloader is unlocked, like on Sony phones, all screen design (unsure how I feel about this though, not having where to hold can be annoying, had that issue with the Vivo Nex 2), 90Hz display (but my eye can't see the difference, had the Razor Phone 2, which has a 120Hz display and not that big of a difference in my eyes) and bigger battery (again, reviews say that at 90Hz it drains pretty fast). Did not mention cameras or fingerprint sensors, because both seem to be on par, in-display fingerprint are a bit meh, curious to see how good the OP7 Pro is though, because the ones I've tried, still make me miss the old school fingerprint readers on the back and the Sony side mounted fingerprint is also meh.
Considering the prices I got them for, which one would you guys keep and reasons, would really appreciate your opinions on this.
Have a great day everyone.
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I got an Xperia 1 for £500 and a OP7 Pro 12Gb model for £550, I should receive both tomorrow and sell one of them later, just really unsure which one to sell, I know tomorrow I'll have a better perception, but at the moment, I can't make up my mind, why I should keep one over the other, they both have stock Android, Sony's has very fast security updates, almost on point with the Pixel phones, and that 4K screen should be amazing, now the OP7 Pro, has an amazing dev community, no features lost if bootloader is unlocked, like on Sony phones, all screen design (unsure how I feel about this though, not having where to hold can be annoying, had that issue with the Vivo Nex 2), 90Hz display (but my eye can't see the difference, had the Razor Phone 2, which has a 120Hz display and not that big of a difference in my eyes) and bigger battery (again, reviews say that at 90Hz it drains pretty fast). Did not mention cameras or fingerprint sensors, because both seem to be on par, in-display fingerprint are a bit meh, curious to see how good the OP7 Pro is though, because the ones I've tried, still make me miss the old school fingerprint readers on the back and the Sony side mounted fingerprint is also meh.
Considering the prices I got them for, which one would you guys keep and reasons, would really appreciate your opinions on this.
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Regarding 4k - I came to my OP7Pro from my XZ Premium. Sony isn't bad, but it's not as good as OnePlus. I haven't used 4K even once. It was completely useless. Heck, I intentionally forced my OnePlus to stay on FHD. My battery life is beyond 6h SOT. All day battery. It's amazing. Warp charge works, it's real. It's amazing. I don't know what you're talking about with 90hz. I can see the difference. The moment I looked at a high refresh rate screen I saw the fluidity. I'd keep the OP7P, but both options are definitely great. You can't go wrong with either option.
The moment I saw a 90hz screen I decided that I will never again purchase a device with less than 90 Hz (even better with 120hz). So it would be a no brainer for me.
Lirannl said:
Regarding 4k - I came to my OP7Pro from my XZ Premium. Sony isn't bad, but it's not as good as OnePlus. I haven't used 4K even once. It was completely useless. Heck, I intentionally forced my OnePlus to stay on FHD. My battery life is beyond 6h SOT. All day battery. It's amazing. Warp charge works, it's real. It's amazing. I don't know what you're talking about with 90hz. I can see the difference. The moment I looked at a high refresh rate screen I saw the fluidity. I'd keep the OP7P, but both options are definitely great. You can't go wrong with either option.
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Tiz92 said:
The moment I saw a 90hz screen I decided that I will never again purchase a device with less than 90 Hz (even better with 120hz). So it would be a no brainer for me.
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Thanks for the reply guys, it must be my eyes then, they had better days, I had correction surgery a couple of years ago, they must have messed up something xD
I understand that 4K is only seen in 4K photos/videos, so I agree that it is not a real plus. when I have both in front of me I'll share my experience.
The Pro is the way to go...if you like it! Cheers
hugoprh said:
I got an Xperia 1 for £500 and a OP7 Pro 12Gb model for £550, I should receive both tomorrow and sell one of them later, just really unsure which one to sell, I know tomorrow I'll have a better perception, but at the moment, I can't make up my mind, why I should keep one over the other, they both have stock Android, Sony's has very fast security updates, almost on point with the Pixel phones, and that 4K screen should be amazing, now the OP7 Pro, has an amazing dev community, no features lost if bootloader is unlocked, like on Sony phones, all screen design (unsure how I feel about this though, not having where to hold can be annoying, had that issue with the Vivo Nex 2), 90Hz display (but my eye can't see the difference, had the Razor Phone 2, which has a 120Hz display and not that big of a difference in my eyes) and bigger battery (again, reviews say that at 90Hz it drains pretty fast). Did not mention cameras or fingerprint sensors, because both seem to be on par, in-display fingerprint are a bit meh, curious to see how good the OP7 Pro is though, because the ones I've tried, still make me miss the old school fingerprint readers on the back and the Sony side mounted fingerprint is also meh.
Considering the prices I got them for, which one would you guys keep and reasons, would really appreciate your opinions on this.
Have a great day everyone.
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I have had both for over a month, sell the Xperia 1, trust me
I had an Xperia 1 for 5 days before I returned it and got this, I can assure you this is a decision that you will not regret. I have been an Xperia fan boy for the last 6 years since the first Xperia z came out in 2012. Sony have also ruin to find by putting DRM keys on the devices and you will lose major functionality if you unlock the bootloader... With the oneplus all is good with unlocking the bootloader and you can be anything you wish on the phone. although it hurts my heart from the inside Xperia one has got nothing on the oneplus 7 pro the device did not just feel right and was hard to use for me. it appealed to me in the slightest and everything that oneplus 7 pro has overwhelms the Sony Xperia 1.
I don't find it aesthetically pleasing too,Not Sure about this one but they always lacked in Camera Department too
Guys Do Find 60 hz to be more choppy than other 60 hz display or ist it just me? The screen on my iPhone Xs Max seems more fluid & responsive than Op7 Pro when 60 hz is selected
Quick update, I received the OP7 Pro 4 hours ago, the Sony seems to be delayed with DHL, so probably just tomorrow now. OP7 Pro so far seems very nice, the case that comes with it unfortunately peels off the screen protector when it's on, I guess the screen protector that comes pre installed it is not centred, so, on the top right corner, the case is peeling the screen protector, I'm using it without a case now, it's the same size as my Note 9, so not a big issue, the Note 9 does have a better grip though, the OP7 curves more then the Note 9 and that makes it less grippy, if that makes sense. Also tested the app drawer on the Note 9 vs OP7 Pro and I can see the 90Hz now side by side, but I think I can still go back to a 60Hz display, it's not that of a big deal IMO.
I'll do some more testing tonight, maybe some night shots if I have time, between the Note 9 and the OP7 Pro let me know if you want to info in a Note 9 vs OP7 Pro.
Sure Why Not....Can You compare both on 60 hz,The Thing I mentioned above
RISHI RAJ said:
Sure Why Not....Can You compare both on 60 hz,The Thing I mentioned above
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So setting up the OP7 to 60Hz and comparing to the Note 9, both look the same, iPhones do have higher sensitivity, so it appears smother, but 60Hz on Android seems to be the same on the OP7 Pro and Note 9.
https://wccftech.com/iphone-xs-120hz-touch-sample-rate-explained/
Wait, didn't the X1 just recently come out? How'd you get it for HALF off?
roaduardo said:
Wait, didn't the X1 just recently come out? How'd you get it for HALF off?
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EBay, as typical Sony phones, they drop price very fast, have a look there and you'll see
Typing this on the Xperia 1 and it's so comfortable compared to the OP7 Pro, the slim design is awesome...
I would pick the oneplus 7 pro. But that's just my personal opinion. I have and s10+ and this 7 pro and my sim is in the oneplus 90% of the time, the 90hz screen really is amazing and it is very noticeable when going to a non 90hz phone
hugoprh said:
EBay, as typical Sony phones, they drop price very fast, have a look there and you'll see
Typing this on the Xperia 1 and it's so comfortable compared to the OP7 Pro, the slim design is awesome...
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Dayium! And I thought Sammy phones depreciated quickly. Nice deal!
I would pick the Xperia and sell me the OnePlus
Nah the OnePlus is the way to go..
Need t get one myself.
I won't go to anything less than 90hz after using the OP7 pro. Simple as that.
Took a photo of my living room with artificial lighting, the colours are more natural on the Sony and quality is about the same on both, keep in mind this is with the stock camera, didn't have time to install GCam, but it's running the latest OOS.
Sony:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/9WTWeCPmEMQemk8t7
OP7 Pro:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/XPyVMx9J4dHu4LYq5
What do you guys think?
I was eagerly waiting for the OnePlus 9 Pro, because I have become a OnePlus guy. Unfortunately, I can't get use to having a camera hole cut out, on the screen. If I must put up with it, then the hole must be centered and not off to the side. I was hoping OP would have continued the OP 7 Pro thing or figured out the under the screen technology.
Anyhow, what I am looking for:
No camera hole punch out (even if it means I must have a little bezel). If the camera hole is on the screen, it needs to be centered.
Big screen
Android based, with easy to unlock bootloader (ideally a company that supports it like OnePlus)
5G compatible
Lots of ram, fast processor, lots of disk storage - aka i want a flagship/top of the line.
Something with screen burn-in protection technology
Good camera
Works with T-Mobile in the USA
Although I love a good deal, I am not too concern about the price tag (as long as it is reasonable, like less than $1200 USD).
That said, any recommendations? I also don't mind waiting for OnePlus 9t Pro if there is any solid rumors that they will do something special to the front facing camera.
I am currently using a OnePlus 5t and although I like the phone, issues are starting to arise (issue with VoLTE and certain Bluetooth headsets, screen burn-in, etc).
Any advice would be much appreciated .
That's a lot of money, you can buy a Galaxy S21 Ultra, you'll love it. There's no burn-in proof display, it can be avoided by shifting on the screen pixels, so it's a software thing, you don't have to worry too much, unless you have a bad habit of keeping the screen on all night.
You can also check midrange devices, usually you won't feel any difference, for an example, there's Redmi Note 10, Galaxy A72, Galaxy A52, offering large displays, fast processors, at least 6 GBs of RAM, up to 256 GB of storage, and even 5G support for some models.
All that for less than 500$ (my cousin got brand new RN10 for 200$). Cameras are not a thing to worry about anymore. However, One Plus 9T Pro's front facing camera setup is a bit strange, you should avoid it if the rumours are true.
mkhcb said:
I was eagerly waiting for the OnePlus 9 Pro, because I have become a OnePlus guy. Unfortunately, I can't get use to having a camera hole cut out, on the screen. If I must put up with it, then the hole must be centered and not off to the side. I was hoping OP would have continued the OP 7 Pro thing or figured out the under the screen technology.
Anyhow, what I am looking for:
No camera hole punch out (even if it means I must have a little bezel). If the camera hole is on the screen, it needs to be centered.
Big screen
Android based, with easy to unlock bootloader (ideally a company that supports it like OnePlus)
5G compatible
Lots of ram, fast processor, lots of disk storage - aka i want a flagship/top of the line.
Something with screen burn-in protection technology
Good camera
Works with T-Mobile in the USA
Although I love a good deal, I am not too concern about the price tag (as long as it is reasonable, like less than $1200 USD).
That said, any recommendations? I also don't mind waiting for OnePlus 9t Pro if there is any solid rumors that they will do something special to the front facing camera.
I am currently using a OnePlus 5t and although I like the phone, issues are starting to arise (issue with VoLTE and certain Bluetooth headsets, screen burn-in, etc).
Any advice would be much appreciated .
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It's a lot of money, for this you will get the top of the top, personally I won't do it but it's up to you.
For considerably less money you can get very good devices covering from the 1 to the 7 of your questions, just I don't know the 8th.
For example comes to my mind the Galaxy Note 10 (although it's 2 years old), the Galaxy S20, but I would go for a Xiaomi Mi 11.
mkhcb said:
3. Android based, with easy to unlock bootloader (ideally a company that supports it like OnePlus)
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Xiaomi/Redmi/Poco or OnePlus.
Xiaomi/Redmi/Poco still have warranty coverage after bootloader unlock. Double check warranty policy youself on their website though, may vary between countries and region.