I've started this thread in a hope to spread awareness in a major flaw of Samsung. Though they release the source code for their devices usually in a timely manner, unfortunately the same can't be said for their Exynos soc documentation. I know that our phone doesn't incorporate this chip, but it doesn't mean we can't help the fellow community receive the same benefits as the rest of us. This especially is important to me because I planning on purchasing the Galaxy Note 2 :silly:
A thread was started in the International GS3 thread to help acquire the documentation for their device and an already written inquiry is available to be sent to Samsung's open source department, just use the link on the page. I edited the inquiry when posting it myself to include all device that current have the Exynos chip along with future devices.
Link to page:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Let's join together as a community and help Samsung understand how important this to all of us, even if you never plan on owning a device with the Exynos chip. As stated by Codeworkx,
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If they don't know that there are a lot of users out who are pissed because of the bad exynos support, then they'll not change anything.
If 10 users are crying -> just 10 users, ignore them.
If 1000 users are crying -> ok, let's think a few minutes about it.
If 100.000 users are crying -> holy ****, we have to do something
If you stop crying, they'll stop paying attention and you've achieved nothing like in the past.
Yes, it's not the nice way. But it's the only way to give the community a voice.
mjwhirly said:
I've started this thread in a hope to spread awareness in a major flaw of Samsung. Though they release the source code for their devices usually in a timely manner, unfortunately the same can't be said for their Exynos soc documentation. I know that our phone doesn't incorporate this chip, but it doesn't mean we can't help the fellow community receive the same benefits as the rest of us. This especially is important to me because I planning on purchasing the Galaxy Note 2 :silly:
A thread was started in the International GS3 thread to help acquire the documentation for their device and an already written inquiry is available to be sent to Samsung's open source department, just use the link on the page. I edited the inquiry when posting it myself to include all device that current have the Exynos chip along with future devices.
Link to page:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Let's join together as a community and help Samsung understand how important this to all of us, even if you never plan on owning a device with the Exynos chip. As stated by Codeworkx,
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Originally Posted by codeworkx
If they don't know that there are a lot of users out who are pissed because of the bad exynos support, then they'll not change anything.
If 10 users are crying -> just 10 users, ignore them.
If 1000 users are crying -> ok, let's think a few minutes about it.
If 100.000 users are crying -> holy ****, we have to do something
If you stop crying, they'll stop paying attention and you've achieved nothing like in the past.
Yes, it's not the nice way. But it's the only way to give the community a voice.
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I hate to brake it to you but the skyrocket doesn't have the Exynos soc.
tjsooley said:
I hate to brake it to you but the skyrocket doesn't have the Exynos soc.
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He mentions that in the second sentence in his post...
That said, I agree that it's a good thing to do. If they get away with it once, they may try it again (providing this was intentional), and again and eventually not release the source for anything.
This thread is off topic. Please keep things here about the Skyrocket. Thank you.
This forum is for all us Canadian folk who love Android and use their phones, accessories, etc.
This won't be phone, rom, carrier specific so if you have any questions, comments, ideas about anything related to Canadian Android use then post away!
Enjoy, eh
I'm personally born and raised in GTA but live in Milton area now and on Rogers network.
Use many different recent flagship phones and roms but still use my Note4 as my daily.
Always rooted and rom'd (only way to go) but I know it's not for everyone so no worries if you are stock
Probably too general and in the basic general Android thread..
No visitors i take it..
Still nothin'? Haha
Oh well.. I tried
Many previous Samsung flagship phones have had TERRIBLE user experiences with new major Android releases. My S7 (Exynos on Tmobile) has been prompting me to download and install Android 7, and I don't want to! Not while I'm not convinced it's gonna be a worse experience over the now smooth Android 6 it is currently running. My last phone was the S4, and the upgrade from Android 4 to 5 was terrible for everyone. I ran a Danvd 4.4.4 and that's about as good as it got for the S4.
I also don't trust Google to get any major Android revision right until Android x.1 Not gonna be a Google beta tester for my daily driver!
So, I am looking around here to see if there is any discussion about the upgrade from Android 6 to Android 7, from Samsung, and I'm a bit surprised to not see one.
Am I missing something?
So does everyone love Android 7.0 or should folks be waiting for Android 7.1 ?
You're not looking very far if you can't find any discussion about Nougat 7.0, that's just about all people are discussing now
If you don't like it, flash back to MM with ODIN
Nougat is IMO quicker and more optimised than MM now, better settings UI, better in just about everything, I flashed back to MM a while ago and didn't enjoy it one little bit, big clunky and childish compared to Nougat
one response with a bit of snark..... so... you don't know then, right? thanks.
Not looking to root, so flashing Nougat for a try and then flashing back is not possible.
This would specifically be a topic on accepting the factory upgrade to Nougat from Marshmallow; where most of the opinions here about Nougat are discussed in threads about custom ROMs.
In years past, this specific kind of discussion would have its own thread. Hunting for opinions on this throughout 100s of threads is just not going to work.
One snarky response because of the retarded question
Go read some threads, you obviously haven't
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One snarky response because of the retarded question
Go read some threads, you obviously haven't
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You are an asshole. Already did plenty of looking around, and there are no threads to facilitate discussion on how well received the general rollout is. You don't understand the ask, so just move along if you don't like a question.
For those interested:
Here is some pertinent stuff. It's mostly beta discussion.... Feb rollout by around post count 80
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/how-to/samsung-s7-nougat-final-ota-t3532213
The usual stuff: Not much love at all for Samsung's Nougat rollout. Lot's of reports of annoying bugs, bad batter life, etc.
Also, there is some better discussions about the wide Nougat rollouts in US-carrier-specific sub-forums.
gruuvin said:
You are an asshole.
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My attitude mirrors that of the person I am talking to, take a look in the mirror.
Dude, STFU! What are you, 12 years old? I asked some simple questions, and you started right out with your juvenile ****. grow up!
Moderators, could you please close and remove this useless thread? Thanks to this asshat!
Dude? And you're calling me 12? lmao
Next time you start a thread, make sure you've read a few first
You wonder why no-one else has replied here, why your thread isn't a huge hit? Because it is attempting to start a subject being discussed all over the S7 forums in multiple threads already, but you would have known that if you'd read a few first.
You really think you can come late in the game to a forum as huge as XDA, to the busy S7 forums, where MM has been already upgraded to Nougat for most people, and think you are going to be the first to start a thread about MM vs Nougat?
Those sort of threads started at the beginning of the Nougat beta programme last year
Come on 'dude', even if you couldn't be bothered to look, you could have worked out for yourself that wasn't going to be the case.
I guess your description of this thread being useless is correct though, so congrats on that :good:
Iggy'd
I find it incredibly annoying and cumbersome to go through 2 different forums to view issues/features/apps of the S8 and S8+ since 99% of the posts can pertain to either phone.
I think the Combined S8 Forums should look like this:
S8/S8+ Questions and Answers
S8/S8+ Guides, News, and Discussions
S8/S8+ Themes, Apps, and Mods
S8/S8+ Accessories
Exynos S8 Roms, Kernels, and Development
Exynos S8+ Roms, Kernels, and Development
VZW S8/S8+ Roms, Kernels, and Development
ATT S8/S8+ Roms, Kernels, and Development
Tmo S8/S8+ Roms, Kernels, and Development
Sprint S8/S8+ Roms, Kernels, and Development
You are cutting THIRTY forums down to TEN.
I have the S8 and if I didn't go through the S8+ forums, I would've missed on some great tips and vice versa. For example, I wouldn't have found out about Adhell or Disconnect Pro if I was just browsing the S8+ forums, since it was posted on the S8 forum. Another example is my magnetic wireless charging mod for the S7 edge, which works on both the S7 edge or S7 and any other android phone with wireless charging. If I don't post it in the regular s7 forum, people who don't have the s7 edge and do not browse the s7 edge forum will likely miss out on this. If I choose to remake this guide for the S8, should I just post it in the S8 forums or also the S8+ forums?
Does everything read through both forums? Instead of going through 4 combined forums (Q&A, General, Apps, Accessories), you have to read through 8. That's really a waste of time and why should app devs or accessory creators manage TWO threads where the same question is asked over and over when it was likely asked/answered in the other thread?
If something is phone specific, people usually mention it in the title anyways.
That's like saying merge pixel and pixel XL forum, they r still different phones imo, can you imagine a battery life thread mixed with both s8 sd s8 exynos s8+ sd s8+ exynos ?
Too late now...you should have asked the Admin back in February....
galaxys said:
Too late now...you should have asked the Admin back in February....
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Funny you should say that, I DID ask them in March when both forums were still pretty empty, and they refused.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=71656329#post71656329
Ever since then, all I have seen is duplicate threads in both forums, people getting irritated by having to trawl through 2 sets of forums when 95% of the threads apply to BOTH devices and people getting confused and posting in the wrong forum.....I saw it coming, tried to tell them, and they wouldn't listen to me.
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That's like saying merge pixel and pixel XL forum, they r still different phones imo, can you imagine a battery life thread mixed with both s8 sd s8 exynos s8+ sd s8+ exynos
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You already have battery life threads with people mixing the devices, pretty much all of em. I've already had this argument with people before. If it was ONE forum and TWO threads, people would be much more likely to post in the correct one since they will be right there. The way it is now people will be posting in the wrong one through a combination of confusion over what forum they are currently in, and not being bothered to navigate to the other forum and search for the battery thread in that one.
The hardware is basically identical except for battery size, almost every thread is going to apply to both devices, so instead of having 90% of the threads duplicated in 2 forums, splitting the knowledge in half and forcing people to have to trawl through 2 sets of forums, they could have one set of forums and maybe there will be a few device specific threads in them for things like battery life. You can have a sub forum for each device for firmwares, but all the Q&A and general guides and discussion and accessories forums should be a single set for both devices.
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ssgunner20 said:
Thats the most stupid thing ive heard. Why would you want that. They are not the same phone.
Its like me saying on a jeep forum to merge the 3.6 section with the 5.7 and 6.2. Yes its the same shell but differe t vehicle. I dont wanna here about tbe 5.7 or 3.6 if im looking for info on tbe 6.2... catch my drift!
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Are you really that thick? it's the exact opposite of that. its a different shell with the exact same insides! (same engine, same stereo, same pedals, same seats, same satnav, same steering wheel, just a slightly bigger fuel tank in one of them). Jesus there's some dimwits on here.
ewokuk said:
The hardware is basically identical except for battery size, almost every thread is going to apply to both devices, so instead of having 90% of the threads duplicated in 2 forums, splitting the knowledge in half and forcing people to have to trawl through 2 sets of forums, they could have one set of forums
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Except that even in a single forum, most major topics already get spread across a half dozen redundant threads. And within each thread, once it exceeds a single page, most of the posts just repeat what was said earlier, including misinformation that was previously corrected. So the number of redundant forums doesn't really matter much.
ranova said:
I find it incredibly annoying and cumbersome to go through 2 different forums to view issues/features/apps of the S8 and S8+ since 99% of the posts can pertain to either phone.
I have the S8 and if I didn't go through the S8+ forums, I would've missed on some great tips and vice versa. At the very least, every forum except the "roms, kernels, recoveries" should be merged between the two.
If something is phone specific, people usually mention it in the title anyways.
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I agree, Android Central recognized this a month or two ago and merged them. It is much better.
It is easy to point out examples where this would not make sense, but you must ignore the incredible inconvenience of navigating back and forth to even present the argument. The reality is that the s8 and + are remarkably similar.
Based on this logic, we should also have separate forums for snapdragon and exynos devices.
robber said:
I agree, Android Central recognized this a month or two ago and merged them. It is much better.
It is easy to point out examples where this would not make sense, but you must ignore the incredible inconvenience of navigating back and forth to even present the argument. The reality is that the s8 and + are remarkably similar.
Based on this logic, we should also have separate forums for snapdragon and exynos devices.
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well put. Im surprised the poll is pretty even. Do people want them separated just because they think their S8 variant is better than the other?
They are both literally the same, sans display, battery, and now UFS storage (for certain variants). Yes, the exynos version has root and will likely get better rom support, but every other forum (Q&A, Apps, Accessories, General, etc) pertain to both phones. Itd even be better if the admins made the forums separate for the Exynos and the Snapdragon variants since theres more of a difference there than s8 vs s8+. Between the name calling and thought process behind this, I really question a bunch of you. I didnt have a Pixel but the regular and XL forums should've been merged also.
Also, who cares about battery threads. They are mostly useless, and its not difficult to state what s8 you have.
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Oh god, cry me a river...
So maybe samsung should just get rid of the two names and call em s8 regardless of screen sizes, battery...etc.
Think about it, if you take a moment to actually think, what your asking is pointless because look at the other sub-sections this forum has based on carriers. What makes you think people from verizon want to see info from at&t or Tmo? I think every memeber has a right to choose to view what section or sub-sections they choose to view rather than having it forced down their throats.
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No, carrier variants and Rom/development forums should still keep their respective forums. I've updated the OP with what I would suggest for forum merging. I'm saying that the Q&A, Guides/news/discussion, Themes/apps/mods, and accessories (yes even this, if theres a case made for the s8+, there likely is one for the S8 as well) forums should be merged as they all basically pertain to either phone. Your car analogy doesn't work here since cars are extremely more complicated when the engine, trim level, packages are different when it comes to modding, accessories, questions, etc. The s8 and s8+ are basically the same sans the screen size and battery size; it is A LOT more simpler and clear cut than cars when it comes to mods, apps, accessories, etc. The Pixel and Pixel XL should've had those specific forums merged as well.
Nothing is forced down your throat, what you and others are missing is shared knowledge as another user pointed out. I wouldn't have found out about Adhell or Disconnect Pro if I was just browsing the S8+ forums, since it was posted on the S8 forum. Another example is my magnetic wireless charging mod for the S7 edge, which works on both the S7 edge or S7 and any other android phone with wireless charging. If I don't post it in the regular s7 forum, people who don't have the s7 edge and do not browse the s7 edge forum will likely miss out on this. If I choose to remake this guide for the S8, should I just post it in the S8 forums or also the S8+ forums? Does everything read through both forums? Instead of going through 4 combined forums (Q&A, General, Apps, Accessories), you have to read through 8. That's really a waste of time and why should app devs or accessory creators manage TWO threads where the same question is asked over and over when it was likely asked/answered in the other thread?
Once you learn what efficiency and simplicity is, it will make sense. What has been done in the past is not necessary the best way of doing it. Learn from the mistakes and fix it. It amazes me that people would rather separate forums for each different sized phones model (s8+/s8, s7edge/s7, pixel/pixel XL). One is not better than the other, we should join forces and share knowledge, tips, questions, etc.
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Oh god, cry me a river...
So maybe samsung should just get rid of the two names and call em s8 regardless of screen sizes, battery...etc.
Think about it, if you take a moment to actually think, what your asking is pointless because look at the other sub-sections this forum has based on carriers. What makes you think people from verizon want to see info from at&t or Tmo? I think every memeber has a right to choose to view what section or sub-sections they choose to view rather than having it forced down their throats.
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Thread cleaned up and closed.
There is no need to call out names, it? Kindly respect each other other and their opinions.
Secondly, this is not a place to make your request of the centralized forum. You can take it here [All XDA Members] Requests to Moderators and Admins or New device forum requests.
I wouldn't comment on the behalf of admin. But I am pretty sure the admins have a pretty good reason to create separate forums. And they would be glad to address your concern.
Good luck!
Regards
Vatsal,
Forum Moderator.
I understand that this is a development forum but since it's strictly about Exynos I posted here.
There has been great work regarding development for this awesome device. I've now tried many options from many different developers ... and to be honest its become a little confusing as to what is best and why. Realizing there is a lot of personal preference:
Can we have some users chime in (even if this thread is moved) especially for newer users what they prefer and more importantly why ... options, speed, battery, ease of use, etc
Should be posted in General Discussion.
Rekan_ said:
Should be posted in General Discussion.
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Thank you and I understand your opinion but since the majority of Exynos users cone to this forum I can promise it won't have any value of posted there.
It may get moved but I can assure you nobody will even look at it there
It's all good, so try it all. If you don't want to try it, you shouldn't be on xda(mostly the wrong section),just stick to what Samsung gave you originally.
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jcrompton said:
There has been great work regarding development for this awesome device. I've now tried many options from many different developers ... and to be honest its become a little confusing as to what is best and why. Realizing there is a lot of personal preference
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I completely understand why people would ask the question. I simply don't have the time to try all the ROMs. Setting one up to have it the way I like takes ~2 hours. This also doesn't take into account research into the ROM and troubleshooting issues (both user and ROM related) that come up - I need my phone to be useful.
Generally, S7/S7 Edge based ROMs are most stable, S8 and Note 8 ports have newest Samsung features, AOSP is Nexus and Pixel like and can have newest Android features (but lose Samsung features). All of them can have many great features and good performance depending on how they are made.
I personally never understood the hype about ports (generally heavier, less stable and new features kinda gimicky) and AOSP ROMs (less stable, why did I get a Samsung to have it run AOSP?). But that's just my opinion.
The above paragraph is however just a generalisation and it is obviously much more complicated than that. One would need to test and compare individual ROMs on different areas to get a good comparison on what is currently offered by the XDA developers. If anyone has tested multiple, then please post up comparison reviews. I think It would be a very useful guide. As readers can probably tell, I'm probably not the best person for the job.