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As the title suggests, if a phone is listed as FDD-LTE 700MHz compatible, would that imply it'll work on T-Mobile's 700MHz Band 12? I am often confused with this band as it seems there's various other bands within the 700MHz frequency. So there's no positive way of knowing if it supports the band 12. For instance, I've been looking to find a cheap alternative phone (from China mainly) that might have support of LTE 700MHz so I can take advantage of T-Mobile's latest band, but I'm not sure on if it'd work. Couple examples of some phones are here:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-Foxconn-Infocus-M2-Phone-4G-LTE-FDD-Qualcomn-MSM8926-Quad-Core-Android-4-4-4/32323996202.html
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-Iocean-M6752-4G-FDD-LTE-Mobile-Phone-MTK6752-Octa-Core-5-5-Inch-1920X1080FHD-3GB/32297288429.html
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-Huawei-Ascend-Mate-2-Unlocked-4G-FDD-LTE-Android-Mobile-phone-Quad-Core-IPS-HD/2043526871.html
That's just 3 out of a list of them found on Aliexpress. They all say FDD-LTE 700MHz. My gut is telling me the 700MHz it lists is for some frequency that China uses and wouldn't make a difference if used in the US. Just needed some helpful clarification. Thanks.
brian117 said:
As the title suggests, if a phone is listed as FDD-LTE 700MHz compatible, would that imply it'll work on T-Mobile's 700MHz Band 12? I am often confused with this band as it seems there's various other bands within the 700MHz frequency.
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It won't. Most probably not, anyway.
When a frequency is listed as "700MHz", it's actually an approximation. For example, T-Mobile's band 12 is 700MHz Block A, which is 728–734MHz, whereas Verizon's band 13 is 700MHz Block C, which is 740–746MHz. This might vary from region to region too.
Most likely the phones you're looking at are compatible with 700MHz band 28, since this is commonly used in SE Asia and Oceana, along with the other bands they're listed to support. The Ascend Mate 2 you linked to however appears to support band 17 700MHz, which is an AT&T band, which would make sense as it also supports band 4, common in North America.
If you want a cheaper phone that has band 12 support, the newer ones from T-Mobile support it (or will, with a software update). Galaxy Avant, ZTE ZMax, the upcoming LG Leon LTE, for example.
Planterz said:
It won't. Most probably not, anyway.
When a frequency is listed as "700MHz", it's actually an approximation. For example, T-Mobile's band 12 is 700MHz Block A, which is 728–734MHz, whereas Verizon's band 13 is 700MHz Block C, which is 740–746MHz. This might vary from region to region too.
Most likely the phones you're looking at are compatible with 700MHz band 28, since this is commonly used in SE Asia and Oceana, along with the other bands they're listed to support. The Ascend Mate 2 you linked to however appears to support band 17 700MHz, which is an AT&T band, which would make sense as it also supports band 4, common in North America.
If you want a cheaper phone that has band 12 support, the newer ones from T-Mobile support it (or will, with a software update). Galaxy Avant, ZTE ZMax, the upcoming LG Leon LTE, for example.
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Thanks, that is exactly what I thought. I understand the phones from T-Mobile will support the new band but I was looking for maybe possible cheaper alternatives than brand name phones to take advantage of it. I haven't heard of the LG Leon though, I will check that out. Thanks for the kind reply. I was expecting some "lol no dumbass it won't work" reply as this in General discussion.
brian117 said:
Thanks, that is exactly what I thought. I understand the phones from T-Mobile will support the new band but I was looking for maybe possible cheaper alternatives than brand name phones to take advantage of it. I haven't heard of the LG Leon though, I will check that out. Thanks for the kind reply. I was expecting some "lol no dumbass it won't work" reply as this in General discussion.
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The Leon isn't out yet, and only vague specs are available. No specifics on what the processor is, but I'd guess SD400 or 410. I'd expect it to be around $200-250, but that's just a guess. If it's more than $250, I'd say it's not worth it considering the low-res FWVGA screen.
It also occurs to me that the new 2015 Moto E LTE has band 12 support. 64bit Snapdragon 410, 1gb RAM, 8gb storage, microSD slot, qHD screen, and a relatively large battery. Honestly, I'd rather have this than either of those cheapo Chinese ones (yes, I know Motorola is Chinese now...). For $150 from Amazon, it's a pretty damn good deal.
Hey everyone,
the new Zenfone 6 is amazing, besides the FlipCamera it has nearly everything (big battery, microSD, 3,5 mm headphone,...).
Just one thing irritates me: there are three Versions A, B and C, as one can see here under "Network Standard"
https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-6-ZS630KL/Tech-Specs/
So can someone tell me what that means? Like if I get the European version A (with Band 20), will I than for instance not be able to use it in the USA for telephone / SMS?! Or just not LTE / can I still use it like on UMTS? No LTE at all or just not certain carriers?
Hope someone can make it clear to me, thanks in advance
You'll be able to use it anywhere, it's just there's slightly less band coverage, so some networks in some countries would be nixed.
See Kimovil.com for network compatibility.
Gearbest currently have the 6GB / 64GB Version C (most bands) for €495.
It means you'll have to be sure to verify you get the version with the bands needed for your particular carrier. You have to be very careful and verify before buying as it seems with the ZenFone 5Z, for example, sellers don't always properly clarify which version they're selling.
You need to find out which of the main bands your phone carrier uses then match them up to one of the versions. I use AT&T prepaid, so for for example I need a phone with coverage for bands 2,4,5,8, and 17 if I recall correctly.
If some bands aren't covered you won't have LTE in that area, as not all areas you're in are using the same network frequency bands. Therefore coverage can get worse when you travel with a phone without full band support.
Checked out the bands available on the Asus site you linked (thank you very much BTW) and it seems they are missing bands 66(extension of band 4) & 71 (600mhz frequency) so it seems like it may work okay on TMobile.
What do you guys think if those two bands are missing? Will it be detrimental to daily use or not really? Currently on an OG Pixel and this Asus offering is looking like a future purchase!!
CDMA (Sprint or Verizon) compatiblity in the US?
Stanto said:
CDMA (Sprint or Verizon) compatiblity in the US?
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Looks like the C variants might work for you but double check the bands for your carrier Kimovil.com.
mudnightoil said:
See Kimovil.com for network compatibility.
Gearbest currently have the 6GB / 64GB Version C (most bands) for €495.
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Thanks for the hint.
I need Band 20 (O2 Germany), so I can only use Version A (so no B or C for me).
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I just checked: T-Online and Vodafone use Band 20 and 32 (in Germany), but none of the three versions support both.
MartyM76 said:
If some bands aren't covered you won't have LTE in that area, as not all areas you're in are using the same network frequency bands. Therefore coverage can get worse when you travel with a phone without full band support.
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Ok, but does it mean I will at least have telephone and SMS in those areas, where the LTE band won't be supported?!
JJ111 said:
Ok, but does it mean I will at least have telephone and SMS in those areas, where the LTE band won't be supported?!
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Yes, as long at the other bands are supported (which they should be) it will drop to 3G/4G or whatever. That's why people using some Chinese phones for example in the USA can use everything but LTE.
You might
need to check however about VoLTE, I think. I don't have T-Mobile but you should read more about that as I've seen it mentioned in XDA & other places.
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> Gearbest currently have the 6GB / 64GB Version C (most bands) for €495
I only see the A version there. Where did you find the C version?
This device just hit my radar... looks like we might have an upgrade winner!
For Tmobile US, C model is the way to go. The two highest bands that are missing with this device would get you better signal indoors / less interference, but I am not sure how far along that tech even is.
charlatan01 said:
The two highest bands that are missing with this device would get you better signal indoors / less interference, but I am not sure how far along that tech even is.
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By highest bands do you mean 66 and 71? The only phones that use band 71 at the moment are Samsung s8 Active and LG V30. I currently have an OG Pixel and it does not use 66 or 71 and I get great coverage in the East coast even when going north into the mountains.
wreq5 said:
By highest bands do you mean 66 and 71? The only phones that use band 71 at the moment are Samsung s8 Active and LG V30. I currently have an OG Pixel and it does not use 66 or 71 and I get great coverage in the East coast even when going north into the mountains.
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Yep, those are the two. Those two are still relatively new, and general Tmo coverage continues to improve here in Colorado.
I imagine that once the phone is sold on the asus.com website that particular variant will support all the main carriers LTE bands. I would be surprised if there were any major issues with that otherwise what's the point of even selling it in the USA?
SantinoInc said:
I imagine that once the phone is sold on the asus.com website that particular variant will support all the main carriers LTE bands.
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Yes, for example in the case of the 5Z I just ordered (to get me by since I desperately need a phone with a better camera & no OLED to cause eye strain) the bands listed for phones at the Asus USA online store cover AT&T properly and to the best of my knowledge T-Mobile as well.
I figured out that they don't list phones there that aren't USA network compatible. I still check, regardless, just to feel 100% sure but that's what I found.
It's the 3rd party sellers you really need to be careful about and always verify.
The OnePlus 7 pro has bands 66 and 71.
This probably would have been my first choice until I noticed the different versions. With more and more manufacturers choosing to release single, global bands phones, I really don't understand why Asus insist on continuing to release regional versions of their phones.
Back in the days when everyone made regional models, I had the Padfone Infinity 2 and it was a great phone (until a late OTA release have it the new ZenUI, which was promptly removed). After reading that the latest ZenUI 6 has been slimmed down to an almost stock Android experience, I thought it might once again be similar to what Asus provided before ZenUI came along and that I can now once again consider Asus phones. Wrong!
I spend time in both Europe and Asia and there is no version that covers both areas major LTE bands. So Asus will have to remain on the list of phones to ignore.
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This probably would have been my first choice until I noticed the different versions. With more and more manufacturers choosing to release single, global bands phones, I really don't understand why Asus insist on continuing to release regional versions of their phones.
Back in the days when everyone made regional models, I had the Padfone Infinity 2 and it was a great phone (until a late OTA release have it the new ZenUI, which was promptly removed). After reading that the latest ZenUI 6 has been slimmed down to an almost stock Android experience, I thought it might once again be similar to what Asus provided before ZenUI came along and that I can now once again consider Asus phones. Wrong!
I spend time in both Europe and Asia and there is no version that covers both areas major LTE bands. So Asus will have to remain on the list of phones to ignore.
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I'm in the same position. The C version covers everything I need except for Band 20 which is a necessity throughout Europe. The A version has Bamd 20 but won't work on US LTE. They did the same thing with the Zenfone 2 and inexplicably mixed up the bands regionally. I'll stick with my NexS for now but keep an eye on this phone in case the Limited edition they usually release solves the problem.
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The OnePlus 7 pro has bands 66 and 71.
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I don't want the OP7. This isn't the OP7 forum.
I'm wondering if we can unlock additional LTE bands in k30 Pro chinese variant for people who bought the Zoom version. I read it can be done on old devices and bands are not removed by hardware, only locked. Here you can read some examples:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-note-pro/how-to-unlock-lte-frequency-bands-mi-t3215880
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/guide-how-to-unlock-additional-lte-bands-on-chinese-us-variants-of-oneplus-3.479445/
I hope an expert can throw some light about this and if it can be done on modern devices.
Not having band 20 on vodafone or virgin makes no difference in the U.K. This was an issue years ago as Europe only used band 20, Europe also use band 1,3 and 7 so really isn't a problem anymore. Please search what bands your country uses, it will more than likely use 20 still but the others will also be available. I'm using the zoom model.
gazza1888 said:
Not having band 20 on vodafone or virgin makes no difference in the U.K. This was an issue years ago as Europe only used band 20, Europe also use band 1,3 and 7 so really isn't a problem anymore. Please search what bands your country uses, it will more than likely use 20 still but the others will also be available. I'm using the zoom model.
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Well, if you're living in Germany band 20 is essential. Otherwise you won't have signal on the countryside.
So I'm also quite curious about unlocking different lte bands especially on the k30 pro zoom edition.
dhaern said:
I'm wondering if we can unlock additional LTE bands in k30 Pro chinese variant for people who bought the Zoom version. I read it can be done on old devices and bands are not removed by hardware, only locked. Here you can read some examples:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-note-pro/how-to-unlock-lte-frequency-bands-mi-t3215880
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/guide-how-to-unlock-additional-lte-bands-on-chinese-us-variants-of-oneplus-3.479445/
I hope an expert can throw some light about this and if it can be done on modern devices.
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This would be marvellous!!
vivede said:
Well, if you're living in Germany band 20 is essential. Otherwise you won't have signal on the countryside.
So I'm also quite curious about unlocking different lte bands especially on the k30 pro zoom edition.
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Same applies for Netherlands unfortunately. I might just go for the global Poco F2 Pro but I kinda want the Zoom edition lol.
@dhaern
Some info how 5G bands were unlocked on other phones (tools involved QXDM, QPST, com.qtrun.QuickTest)
Guide how to unlock bands and 5G on 700mhz
https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-7a/help/5g-700mhz-unlock-t4114679
Enable 5G for OnePlus 8 series and OnePlus 7 5G
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/enable-5g-for-oneplus-8-series-and-oneplus-7-5g.1239089/
X55 spec wise should is able to handle two sim 5G
How many times will this come up? Seriously it can't be done.
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dhaern said:
I'm wondering if we can unlock additional LTE bands in k30 Pro chinese variant for people who bought the Zoom version. I read it can be done on old devices and bands are not removed by hardware, only locked. Here you can read some examples:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-note-pro/how-to-unlock-lte-frequency-bands-mi-t3215880
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/guide-how-to-unlock-additional-lte-bands-on-chinese-us-variants-of-oneplus-3.479445/
I hope an expert can throw some light about this and if it can be done on modern devices.
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the above link was posted 5 years ago, I'm not an expert but I tried every means possible on the OnePlus 3t, I was also told by people that knew more about it than me that it couldn't be done.
I tried on my old galaxy S4 never been successful
Looks like it's impossible on our phones - QPST sees the phone, but can't do anything with modem memory. Maybe because it's encrypted.
I don't really need band 20, but LTE-A band 7+7 or 7+3 is very needed. In Chinese 2020 models Xiaomi cuts off CA 7+7 support for some reason. My Redmi K20 holds LTE-A CA 7+7 easily.
I am having trouble with 5g on my ROG Phone 5 I have verified and reverified that I have 5g coverage with t mobile, that it's turned on in the phone, and that all the imei info on my phone is right. Get 4g but no 5g. I am rather new at this so if it's obvious I'm sorry but I didn't see this in any threads I searched for so I'm at a loss.
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I am having trouble with 5g on my ROG Phone 5 I have verified and reverified that I have 5g coverage with t mobile, that it's turned on in the phone, and that all the imei info on my phone is right. Get 4g but no 5g. I am rather new at this so if it's obvious I'm sorry but I didn't see this in any threads I searched for so I'm at a loss.
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Are you in a 5g zone? Do any of your family or friends have 5g in that same area?
Even if all of that is a yes, the RoG Phone 5 only has two (out of 4) 5G bands on tmobile (n41 - 2500 and n71 - 600) so you would only be able to get 5G if the cell tower is using one of those bands in your area.
If the tower is using one of those bands and you still dont have 5G then I am at a loss. You can check tower info by using an app like "Network Cell Info Lite & WiFi" or something similar.
The 5G SA/NSA support for TMB and other US carriers are not good due to the lack of bands supported by phone itself (2 out of 4 for US variant, 1 out of 4 for EU and None for CN). had the same problem. No quick fix for it as you'll likely have to swap to a US version to be semi-fully compatible.
Sometimes you'll also need to enable SA in settings for it to have reception.
Another deep hole: even thought both regarded as WW, EU and US var actually have different supports and it's really hard to tell the diff
yurishouse said:
Another deep hole: even thought both regarded as WW, EU and US var actually have different supports and it's really hard to tell the diff
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Yea ASUS is really weird with their versions and one of the hardest phones to figure out. Assuming OP has the US versions, he would have better luck with 5G on Verizon (5 out 7 bands). The global versions and even if you converted a CN version to WW will practically have no 5G.
I have the RoG Phone 5S Pro which has the same version issues as the regular Phone 5 and 5S. I have the US versions and use Verizon so I get pretty decent 5G service in the US.
I just bought Galaxy S22 Ultra from Samsung US website unlocked, then my work moved me to Kuwait. I purchased a 5G sim card but was never able to connect at 5G speed (my carrier is Ooredoo).
I went back to the store the the sales person took my sim card and placed it in an iPhone and the 5G worked perfectly with a speed of 750.
I called Samsung and they told me that because you have a US version, it should only works 5G in the states.
Any suggestions please on what to do?
Please note that I already checked all basic settings like selecting the 5G network and checked the APN settings for Ooredoo.
Sounds like the bands aren't compatible. What 5G bands is ooredoo using?
This is what I found
Ooredoo Kuwait
Company Overview Ooredoo in Kuwait, formerly known as Wataniya Telecom, is the second largest mobile carrier in the country, and a member of the Qatari-owned Ooredoo Group. Commercially launched in December 1999, the company provides mobile, broadband internet and corporate managed services...
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They use a different band than the s22 us unlocked has. I'm there too and no luck with 5g. Worked on an ipad though
ErickF said:
They use a different band than the s22 us unlocked has. I'm there too and no luck with 5g. Worked on an ipad though
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The thing is a company like Apple makes only one version of each model that works everywhere in the world but here Samsung make many varieties of the same model that region specific... Unbelievable. I will no longer buy Samsung and will switch back to iPhone.
ElmoScarletMacaw said:
The thing is a company like Apple makes only one version of each model that works everywhere in the world but here Samsung make many varieties of the same model that region specific... Unbelievable. I will no longer buy Samsung and will switch back to iPhone.
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Just make sure not to buy one in kuwait. They don't have the mmwave bands for the us. So apple does make different models for different markets too. This year just happened to have the 13 series with most bands(not all)
ErickF said:
Just make sure not to buy one in kuwait. They don't have the mmwave bands for the us. So apple does make different models for different markets too. This year just happened to have the 13 series with most bands(not all)
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Oh really! I will wait for the 14 pro max anyway and will make sure it will work in both regions before I buy it. Thanks for your reply Erick.
ElmoScarletMacaw said:
Oh really! I will wait for the 14 pro max anyway and will make sure it will work in both regions before I buy it. Thanks for your reply Erick.
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incase you still have the phone. i just tried the tutorial on unlocking all 5g bands and it works with 5g here in kuwait. just in case you havent tried it
There are two working solutions for S22 Ultra US models at this forum:
How to Enable All Bands Through Service Menu on US/CA S22 series (including Sub-6 and mmWave)
What is this? This is a guide on how to enable all LTE and 5G bands on the US or Canadian S22 series phones by going through the service menu. This guide is mostly based on this S20U guide by mellojosh, but has been adapted for the S22U phone...
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Enable & Select Bands thru Dialer (S22 Fam) /CSC CHANGE (S22 & MORE)
***Tested on S908U & S908U1*** But not limited, to those specific models. S22 Family should also be compatible as well...as the NEW FOLD 4. Thanks @Abaddon BAND SELECTION: To ENABLE all bands, please do the following: (See pictures attached...
forum.xda-developers.com
Process is relatively easy, and after completing either of those two above, phone ends up with all 4G and 5G bands available