Hi there,
this isn't strictly a M5 S Plus question but I am debating buying one.
My needs are quite simple:
- the phone needs to be rootable
- xposed needs to run on it
- the best camera I can afford and when I talk about a good camera I am looking at Samsung S7/S8 for comparison.
So I looked at the new MI 6 and it has a dual 12mp camera with OIS but only 1.25 µm pixel size and apparently the dual cameras are not being used to combine a picture with qualcomm's clearsight rather its 2 cameras with different angles aka 27mm and 52mm you can use to zoom and other gimmicks, not really contributing to the picture quality.
I then looked at the MI 5 PRO and it seems to have an even smaller 1.12 µm pixel size but instead it has OIS.
Alternatives which popped up are the MI 5S which has a single camera but with 1.55µm pixel size which is one of the biggest on the market and obviously the MI 5S Plus which is the only one using qualcomm's clearsight with dual 13MP cameras but a very small 1.12 µm pixel size
On the cheaper end there is the Xiaomi Redmi Pro although I couldn't find anything about its pixel size.
So after hours of reading reviews and pixel peeping I thought I'd ask for some users feedback, maybe someone has used one or two of these cameras and can give some real feedback on their quality?
Here is my quick and dirty comparison between the Note 5 and Pixel 2 XL when using the gcam mod on Note 5. Most photos are in low light.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/albums/72157669430081057
Hi,
Thank you for the comparison, great pictures. Can you tell us your rom (miui or other, which one) and gcam version please?
Whyred is pretty sweet when coupled with gCam
thewhisper said:
Hi,
Thank you for the comparison, great pictures. Can you tell us your rom (miui or other, which one) and gcam version please?
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Xiaomi EU 8.6.28 (MIUI 10). I have played around with different version of the ported gcam app by BSG but the results are more or less the same. Try some of these:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-bsg/
I used this one for the comparison: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/MGC_5.2.025_1.apk
I cannot launch any gcam port on MIUI 8.7.5 What I'm doing wrong?
thewhisper said:
I cannot launch any gcam port on MIUI 8.7.5 What I'm doing wrong?
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Have you enabled Camera2 api?
From the pictures, as expected Pixel 2 XL wins easily.
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From the pictures, as expected Pixel 2 XL wins easily.
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From my point of view, Pixel 2 XL wins by a large margin on photo 1, 2 and 10, the difference is less prominent on the other photos.
Note 5 All Day..
I Personally Prefer The Note 5 Pics...
Cooler & Brighter Pics... Sweet.
Thanks OP.. :good:
Hey, do you know if any of these GCam ports use both of the rear cameras on the Note 5? Thanks
Since the Google Camera is perfectly optimized for, well, their Pixel devices, it is expected for it to be better
I am sure that with an advanced GCam app which has noise reduction settings it can be tweaked to be closer to Pixel line (though can't match it really), and actually there are some versions, however I don't know how to use those settings (yet), but I might give it a go sometimes
There's no clear winner actually since the shutter and ISO speeds are never the same for any pair of pictures. Whichever one has lower ISO wins for that pair. The Pixel 2 XL has more noise and loses when it's ISO is higher.
In the first pair of pictures, the Pixel 2 XL has clearer and more details on the bottles because this phone was much closer to the subjects and therefore much higher magnification and much clearer rendering of the small details. But its noise is a bit coarser.
Note 5 pictures is ugly besides pixel xl2
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Xiaomi EU 8.6.28 (MIUI 10). I have played around with different version of the ported gcam app by BSG but the results are more or less the same. Try some of these:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-bsg/
I used this one for the comparison: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/MGC_5.2.025_1.apk
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https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.apk Try This one config to 6P and Auto Exposure increase to 2 and compare with pixel 2 Again
Hello, is this redmi note 5 pro? If so, is it whyred or other version? since they have different cameras. Sorry i cant keep up with names xD, is "redmi note 5" Chinese version and "redmi note 5 pro" Indian version of redmi note 5?
Both phones do it great.
RN5Pro adds grain just a little bit on low-light photos, and colors are a bit less saturated in day-light.
Awesome comparison. Thanks
note 5 Do you have the best gcam for al? smoothly.
My wife got the Xiaomi Mi 9 SE last week and she has the option of ultra wide angle when she wants to snap a pic.
Is it possible for Mi Mix 3 users to get this feature as well??
Thanks!
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My wife got the Xiaomi Mi 9 SE last week and she has the option of ultra wide angle when she wants to snap a pic.
Is it possible for Mi Mix 3 users to get this feature as well??
Thanks!
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Hello,
As far as I know is not possible because for the wide angle shots you need a wide angle camera and the Mix 3 has a main normal sensor and a 2x sensor.
You might can use a panorama shots instead.
Hello Community !
I rly dont know what is better, i saw awesome cam shots and videos made with the Mi Note 10 but the Poco F2 Pro is newer and yea ... is it better? I dont know, what do you guys think? Some of you have already some month this Mi Note 10 Phone and whats your opinion about it?
I hope you can help me a little bit
- https://www.mi.com/de/poco-f2-pro/ (8k recording, Snapdragon™
865 , 5G connection, 4700mAh, full display without a notch etc)
- https://www.mi.com/de/mi-note-10/
i was about to get the poco f2 aswell, but decided for the mi note 10 LITE (350€).
the camera sensor on the mi note 10 LITE would be the same like on the poco f2. Sony IMX686 which seems perfect for GCam mods.
the normal note 10 has a samsung sensor, which is "better" specs wise. but i heard multiple times that many prefer the sony sensor in the note 10 LITE (gcam advantages).
regarding the mi note 10 (lite):
performance is perfectly fine on the snapdragon 730g. [email protected] is max. here. i dont miss anything when it comes to performance (iam not a gamer though!).
battery is now even better on android 10 what i have heard. usually getting 8-10h SoT
5g is a useless feature for me. 4g is far enough and it can reach higher distances.
notch can be hidden via UI settings.
if you need massive gaming performance and 8k recording, the s865 is a must then.
As for the main sensors I dont think there is noticeable difference. (IMO sony probably the better choice when using gcam).
The main difference is that with note 10 you get OIS, which you don't get with poco f2. And you also get zoom camera with OIS.
Poco f2 will probably have better and faster processing due to the SD865, which assists HDR prosessing and video. It also has a decent macro camera.
So it is a close race, I'd probably say the note 10 has the most versatile camera system with OIS. But else the poco wins in every aspect. Better performance, no-notch screen, better batterytime ( note 10 battery time is not so impressive despite the large battery, my mi 9t with 4000mah last longer for example).
regarding the battery questions, which was quite important to me:
https://www.chinahandys.net/xiaomi-mi-note-10-lite-testbericht/#akku
https://www.chinahandys.net/poco-f2-pro-testbericht/#akkulaufzeit
Note10LITE > Note10 > POCOF2
As for the note 10 lite you get a downgrade on almost all cameras vs note 10.
No OIS is the most noticeable one. But also downgraded ultrawide, selfie and no zoom.
If want a god camera Note 10 , if not No one, better a Oneplus 7 pro , poco its ok but ith the price 350 eu not 500 3u like a 7pro.
Mi note 10 with 350/400 eu its the best camera phone overall...
Hi DerSky1,
I have both phones here in my hands. Since january this year i was using the Note 10, and I was ordering the Poco F2 Pro, arriving last week.
What is bad about the Note 10?:
-Processor, lags on webpages with lot of advertisment ****.
-Processor, 108MP Pictures take some time to be processed, so you have to wait to shoot the next, as well as to see you shot after taking...
-fingerprint scanner seems to be more slowly than on Poco F2 pro
What is bad about the Poco F2 Pro?:
-The displays color accuracy is not as good as on the Note 10 (more blue)
-No FM-Radio
- IMX686 Sony Sensor is tiny compared to the Samsung 108Mpx from the Note, resulting in, i would say not as good pictures...
What makes no difference:
- batterie lasts same on both phones
-Size is similar, Poco is a bit longer
- Note 10 has a curved display, poco f2 not.
-Charging Speed in real life is very similar.
- 5G in Poco as there is no area wide 5G network in Germany for the next 2 years at least
My conclusion:
Sell the Poco, think of getting a Mi 10, or wait until note 11... hopefully with SD 765G
Fell free to ask further questions.
https://m.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_poco_f2_pro-review-2116p3.php
Gsm arena review of the poco f2, as expected.the batterylife is excellent, and beating mi note 10 ( and all other sd865 phones!)
Bit conserning is the inconsistent camera performance. This could have been better if it had OIS.
OC-Freak said:
https://m.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_poco_f2_pro-review-2116p3.php
Gsm arena review of the poco f2, as expected.the batterylife is excellent, and beating mi note 10 ( and all other sd865 phones!)
Bit conserning is the inconsistent camera performance. This could have been better if it had OIS.
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Glad I got the Mi Note 10 Pro, I had actually ordered the F2 Pro, but at the beggining of the shipment was damage and the seller decided to cancel the purchase I made. I was nervous about the review of the F2 pro on YouTube because they switched out the telephoto camera that was in the Redmi K30 Pro Zoom, and switch out the lens with a Macro Camera, which I have little interest in. After the shiment was cancelled, I ordered the Mi Note 10 Pro. What I really lime about the F2 pro reminds me of when I owned the Mi 9T, and I love you have more options to change the color of the pop-up camere, which the Mi 9T only have one color - (depending of the color of the phone you purchased).
After owning the Xiaomi Mi 9T, which sports the same chip as the Mi Note 10/10 Pro, the battery size was the only let down, the mid range chipset is more than acceptable YouTube and media consumption. Since its an Amoled screen, I rather use a PC or console or tablet only because I prefer not to over use Amoled screens in general = screen burns. I really love the camera on the Mi Note 10 Pro, the curved screen took some time to get used too, esoecially the texting. The texting gotten better once choosing to expanding the edge accidental touch option.. But once I slapped on a slim TPU screen protector on, the screen feels amazing. Have tried a tempered glass on the Mi Note 10, those screens do jot work and takes away from the screen sensitivity. TPU and Hydrogel is the way to go.
The battery usage is amazing and after tweaking more with the CPU processor to 300Mhz minimum, and adb shell-ing out useless apps. I can say this phone is worth getting. Using the latest Xiaomi EU is amazing, I also have tried Miui 12 weekly 5.28, I like the smooth zooming capabilities of the telephoto cameras. The high screen refresh rate take some getting use to, the sooth movements makes my eyes hurt a bit, haha. Feels a bit "too" buttery smooth, but the positive side to the situation is the smooth scrolling in web pages, apps and in general. The smooth scrolling eliminate any microlags left behind from Miui 11, and that is a huge plus ( using Xiaomi Eu 5.28) I am sure Miui 12 will get much better, especially with this phone.
I don't particularly go for high end phones, but.........If the Poco brand release the Poco F2 Pro Zoom, then it will be worth buying only because I love the Xiaomi Mi 9T.
I also came from Mi 9T (best all-round/bang for buck phone 2019 IMO), mainly for OIS in the MI note 10.
And my observations (compared to 9T); battery life of mi note 10 noticeably worse despite larger battery. This has improved with android 10, but still not what I'd expect from the battery size (maybe the visionox amoled display is more power hungry?). Not really much improvement from the main camera in most situations (Using gcam on both phones) but easier to get better night shots, but more versatile camera system overall for mi note 10 of course. Mi note 10 has better quality display, but with the hated notch! And I do not really enjoy the curved egdes that gives distorted image quality along the edges, but I can live with it.
And I agree, it is a pity that poco f2 is not based on the zoom edition. OIS + zoom camera is a major dealbreaker.
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I also came from Mi 9T (best all-round/bang for buck phone 2019 IMO), mainly for OIS in the MI note 10.
And my observations (compared to 9T); battery life of mi note 10 noticeably worse despite larger battery. This has improved with android 10, but still not what I'd expect from the battery size (maybe the visionox amoled display is more power hungry?). Not really much improvement from the main camera in most situations (Using gcam on both phones) but easier to get better night shots, but more versatile camera system overall for mi note 10 of course. Mi note 10 has better quality display, but with the hated notch! And I do not really enjoy the curved egdes that gives distorted image quality along the edges, but I can live with it.
And I agree, it is a pity that poco f2 is not based on the zoom edition. OIS + zoom camera is a major dealbreaker.
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Very true, I would be great if they release a Pro edition. Meanwhile it seems like the Mi Note 10 will have another variant with a Snapdragon 775 and 12x optical zoom, possibly with periscope zoom. Plus support for 120x digital zoom. For sure when more details will be reveal soon, I will definitely stick with this phone until its succesor arrive.
I realy love the Mi 9T too, the experience with that device was similar ti when I had the Mi Mix with its 4500mah and full screen.
I have noticed that the autofocus and picture quality of the device is not better than my note 10 plus. The phone tends to blur the back and then blur what it is trying to focus on.
I did a picture comparison on my old phone and I say that the note 10 plus takes better photos.
Has anyone else experience this issue?
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I have noticed that the autofocus and picture quality of the device is not better than my note 10 plus. The phone tends to blur the back and then blur what it is trying to focus on.
I did a picture comparison on my old phone and I say that the note 10 plus takes better photos.
Has anyone else experience this issue?
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I have the same problem. Autofocus are not stable, photos are not sharp.