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So today at CES they announced the only thing i actually care about; Liquipel. What's Liquipel? Well thats a good question, reader! Liquipel is a coating you put on your smartphone that basically waterproofs the interior and exterior. Any water that touches the coated area will just slide off. Why should you care? Well, our beloved Droid Charge is among the small list of supported devices! Of course they will expand that list over time but it's nice to see our phone getting some attention by being first on the list.
Heres a video test of Liquipel.
http://youtu.be/Ln0daAowdJI
Heres an article.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Waterproof-your-smartphone-or-tablet-using-Liquipel-coating_id25758
Yeah i'd say thats cool!
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Awesome.... Cant wait to text while swimming
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Interesting piece of information might buy it
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Wow that is cool
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This tech has a lot of potential, but I have to speak my skepticism. I watched their demo video showing an iPhone being submerged in water and still working. Seems all well and nifty, right? I highly doubt they would use anything but distilled water for their demo. Guess what, entire computer motherboards have been submerged in distilled water while in operation and lasted even over a minute. Distilled water is non-conductive. I suspect that a computer would continue operation in distilled water if the water, acting as a mild solvent (due to water's dipole moment) didn't dissolve some of the matter on the board like dust or chemicals.
While I would love to believe that this tech will pan out well, I will believe it when I see it for real. This tech, in my opinion, is almost certain to fail if a phone is submerged in salt-water.
I would love to be proved wrong, and I will be following this tech closely.
They should try urine just for better real world results. People like myself can speak from experience.
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I wouldn't call this waterproof by any means. More like highly water resistant-just so that you aren't afraid to use it in the rain.
And xdadevnube, even distilled water conducts enough electricity to be plenty damaging to computers. Maybe you're thinking of mineral oil.
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This tech has a lot of potential, but I have to speak my skepticism. I watched their demo video showing an iPhone being submerged in water and still working. Seems all well and nifty, right? I highly doubt they would use anything but distilled water for their demo. Guess what, entire computer motherboards have been submerged in distilled water while in operation and lasted even over a minute. Distilled water is non-conductive. I suspect that a computer would continue operation in distilled water if the water, acting as a mild solvent (due to water's dipole moment) didn't dissolve some of the matter on the board like dust or chemicals.
While I would love to believe that this tech will pan out well, I will believe it when I see it for real. This tech, in my opinion, is almost certain to fail if a phone is submerged in salt-water.
I would love to be proved wrong, and I will be following this tech closely.
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Distilled water, while being less conductive than most water, is still conductive. De-ionized water would be the least conductive, but still, itself is conductive. It may not be much, but it would still be enough to short out a computer or circuit board.
Sounds like a great idea, though I would be worried about scratchs that would possibly remove such a coating. That or if you remove your battery cover?
Only other thing is, if I have to send my phone into them, even if I overnight it, I'm out a phone for 2.x to 3.x days at least. Who can go without their cell phone for that long? I know I can't!
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Distilled water, while being less conductive than most water, is still conductive. De-ionized water would be the least conductive, but still, itself is conductive. It may not be much, but it would still be enough to short out a computer or circuit board.
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Thanks for the correction. I am rather curious how well the tech would hold up to both tap water and sea water though.
It would be a bummer to pay for the coating only to find our your device gets "hosed" from being exposed to water.
I wonder if the device could be protected from damage while the battery slowly discharged in the water (I presume the battery terminals will still leak current into the water.) So if you dropped your phone in a body of water until the battery was gone, then your device might still work after being allowed to dry?
Odds are that something besides the battery would short out first. Sea water would obviously be the worst as it is much more corrosive and conductive than tap water. Personally, even if I had this coating, I'd still treat my phone the same way and pull the battery immediately if it got into water, and then dry it out thoroughly before even thinking about putting the battery back in.
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Odds are that something besides the battery would short out first. Sea water would obviously be the worst as it is much more corrosive and conductive than tap water. Personally, even if I had this coating, I'd still treat my phone the same way and pull the battery immediately if it got into water, and then dry it out thoroughly before even thinking about putting the battery back in.
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Exactly. This coating isn't really meant to let you play with your phone underwater or get cool underwater photos. You still shouldn't try to get it wet, this just adds protection in-case it does happen. Kinda like a case, it doesn't make your phone invincible, you could still get cracks and/or damage your phone from dropping it but it really helps.
This looks really cool, and promising! I'm not really hard on my phones and usually keep them dry and take good care of them... but this interests me for that extra level of protection.
Lets face it, water/liquid is one of the biggest killers of phones!
Can't wait to hear from someone on here that gets theirs done, it will be nice to see an independent report vs. mfg claims.
looked at their site, and I don't see it being worth the cost. If my phone gets wet and needs replaced, I can pay the same amount for an insurance replacement.
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my skyrocket got dropped in water i pulled it out put it under a hair dryer and it works, kind of. i use it as my primary phone right now but sometimes it freezes and the touch sensitive keys dont work the it either a) shuts off or b) i have to take the battery out.
any idea what replacement part or parts i could possibly change to fix this?
A new phone you prolly toasted the pcb
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1582881
Link to thread with link to AdamOutler video recovering from water. Take apart if you can. If left as is, you may expect further deterioration of the internal components and connections.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1582881
Link to thread with link to AdamOutler video recovering from water. Take apart if you can. If left as is, you may expect further deterioration of the internal components and connections.
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Issue is he has been running it already
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Issue is he has been running it already
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Right. All the damage is already done. He didn't care for it properly immediately after it got wet.
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It ain't over till it's over.
I had the proverbial "Bad Day" yesterday, or rather, my poor Skyrocket did. It went from being perfect, not so much as a scuff on it to: a) Dropped onto my CEMENT driveway from a height of almost 6 feet. How is this possible, you may ask? I was leaning over the porch rail to open the recycling bin, instead of going around and down the stairs... PURE LAZINESS is what it was! Anyway, it slipped out of my top pocket, in spite of the fact that I was trying to hold it with my fore arm. Why of WHY did the Skyrocket have to be so slim and sleek! The phone hit the cement, bounced once or twice, and then slid, ON IT'S FACE about 3-4 feet, with me making that scream you do while breathing in; kind of a "Uuuoooaaarrrrggghhhh" is the best I can describe it. I followed this by grabbing the phone, taking it inside and throwing an ever loving **** fit. I proceeded to throw the phone on the couch (Even during a full blown hissy, I try to protect the damn thing!) and as I examined it, it was one of those "It could have been much worse" things, that we try to comfort ourselves with, and amazingly they do help, even if it's BS. The damage was 100% to the front black chrome bezel (around the front edge of screen) - A part that in fact CAN be replaced, but requires COMPLETE disassembly, including separating the Screen from the digitizer, which I have no clue how to do. It may NOT be possible, in fact without breaking a layer of adhesive. EVERY other part of the phone is replaceable, in modular sections, I know, and will explain in a moment.
So... bad day right... well that would had been enough since I love my phone as many folks on XDA understand, but nooooooo. I had to then drop it in 8 inches of standing water. Yep.
Was in the bottom of my above ground pool trying to restart a siphon for draining it, when, "SLIP" I %&*&#@ DID IT *@#&$% AGAIN!! *#$%&!!
Phone drops STRAIGHT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE HALF FOOT OR SO WATER IN THE POOL!!!!!!!!
Ok, so I almost NEVER keep my phone on me when doing physical work of any type. When I work on my cars engine compartment, or crawling around under it, I put my phone in the car. Even when I dry my car after pulling out of the car was the phone gets taken OUT of my top pocket and put somewhere safe. I guess I got complacent, since I hadn't had "an incident" in several years. Even with my 5" Dell Streak, beast that it was, I never let it slip from my standard place of Top shirt pocket. Every time I lean forward, my hand or forearm holds the phone from slipping. It is a motion as natural to me as shifting while driving, without even thinking about it. But even I know that "**** happens" so, lesson learned: I am going to bite the bullet and get a nice slim cover for the Skyrocket. NOW THAT IT WORKS AGAIN....
So after I pulled it out of the water I was in full panic mode: I quickly patted it in my shirt, but even while it was still wet and dripping, I RIPPED the back cover and battery out. In hindsight, I wish I had worked to dry the exterior quickly, and THEN opened it. The battery liquid detector wen bright read... CRAP! The PHONE liquid detector stayed WHITE… Ahh, finally caught a break. So after a basic dry everything I can reach (and the Sim came out wet, and the microSD came out wet, not good signs) I tried a quick power up.... The SkyICE animation began, then suddenly changed colors and turned pink/red.. WHOA.. STOP THE BOOT! So I yanked the battery.
After quite a bit of further drying, warm gentle air across the back for a venturi effect (sure!) another try and the screen behind the Samsung logo was bright, blood red, instead of black...
THIS convinced me to take the sucker apart, and for the most part I did really well. I did break ONE tab on the "body" of the phone - that holds the back section over the PCB on, but fortunately there are 7 screws, and it fit tightly when reassembling. I DID frin s coupe drops of water, though they did not seem to be in spots that would short anything, like on the stainless cover over the Qualcomm Processor, but those were just what I could see, without magnification. I dried those, blew warm gentle air over the PCB, and then gently warmed the parts over a low wattage bulb in a lamp.
I am SO impressed with the construction of this baby! I WOULD prefer more alloy, and less plastic for frame, shell & body parts, but what AMAZED me were the connections for all the ribbon cables, between modular PCB's (Like the one on the bottom with a antenna, USB port, Speaker, Mic and capacitive touch buttons, and others... The ribbon just comes around from behind, and attaches via a snap in connection to a receptacle soldered onto the corresponding PCB. In the video of the guy taking it apart, he just goes around and pops up 5 or 6 of these in about 10 seconds total time elapsing. Anyway, check out the middle section of the video I post here, right after he pulls the rear frame off... you'll see...
Bottom line? It's maybe NOT too late for the OP... Granted the more he runs it with a short or worse, the more potential damage. But in my experience it is REALLY difficult to get ALL the water out of a current design phone. It just travels from section to section, His best option (besides either trashing it or paying for repairs is doing what I did. Parts are readily available from Hong Kong, and short of the Screen/Digitizer, most are reasonably priced. Good luck with it. Get a jewelers screwdriver, and a plastic "separator" before starting. My only warning: When separating the main frames, after removing the 7 screws holding the two main frames together, use a CURVED separator, and try to bend the frame that’s the back of the phone OUTWARD a little bit. In other words, pull it OUT as well as spreading the two halves. I did not have a curved plastic tool, just a straight one, and as I pulled the two halves apart, I did not bend it out (away from an inner opening, that tabs go into from the back frame, and I snapped one of the inner openings edges. Think of it as tiny tabs that you want to pull up out of a depression before pulling the parts directly away from each other.
Aww, hell, just watch the video closely, I repeated some sections a few times before trying the procedures.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf6jqYejWNU
Sorry for the lengthy post, but if I can save ONE person the pain of losing a good friend, then I think my life van finally have true meaning. Or something like that.
Why would you power it on so soon without even taking it apart to dry out?
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You see this guys pinky nail?!? Whou. I couldn't stop looking at it. I bet i can guess what its for
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should've left it off and left it in sack of rice for a day or so. RIP your phone...
Bricks don't fly or float.
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At least he didn't drop it in the water during a mini bath
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should've left it off and left it in sack of rice for a day or so. RIP your phone...
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Well, I dropped my skyrocket in water a couple days ago but fished it out instantly.
Learning from past mistakes, I immediately turned it off and took the battery, sim and memory card out. After I took a paper towel and tried to dry as many cracks and openings as possible until I saw I could not get any paper towel wet. I put the phone and battery in a sealed bag filled with rice and left it for 3 days. When I took it out, the phone was covered in rice dust so I took compressed air and tried to blow it clean. Praying it worked, I put the battery in and turned it on. Miraculously it booted like nothing ever happened.
I heard online to not use a hair drier as you will blow the water into components which were initially not wet.
"I heard online to not use a hair drier as you will blow the water into components which were initially not wet."
This. Definitely avoid hairdryers. Rice is like magic. I have only dumped one phone in water (it was an iPhone 3GS on and playing a video at the time! Then I had a hellish time getting it to turn off... kept turning back on.) I popped the screen and gave it a rice bath for a couple days. It was as good as new after that. (Well, as good as any iPhone can be, anyway. )
Just bought a Z3 and it has the faintest hairline crack across the middle of the back glass, which to be honest really doesn't bother me at all, as I got the phone for a very good price, but just wondered will this make the phone NON-WATERPROOF ?
I'm not sure. There was a story of one Z2 surviving in over 10m/30ft of sea water for several weeks with no water damage. In the article there were a few pics and the back cover was severely cracked.
You could always try the pressure test - http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/general/guide-test-waterproofing-water-t2897886
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I'm not sure. There was a story of one Z2 surviving in over 10m/30ft of sea water for several weeks with no water damage. In the article there were a few pics and the back cover was severely cracked.
You could always try the pressure test - http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/general/guide-test-waterproofing-water-t2897886
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Wow, thanks for that tip, just did that test and the pressure increased each time, so I guess its OK then, right time to jump in the bath
Are you really going to take your phone with you in the bath and submerge it for no reason? Hot water viscosity will be different to cold and easier to get inside your phone.
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Are you really going to take your phone with you in the bath and submerge it for no reason? Hot water viscosity will be different to cold and easier to get inside your phone.
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No only kidding, as long as the z3 holds up if it gets wet whilst out on a run or using in the rain, I'll be happy. Not going to be submerging it any time soon.
I'd put some duct tape on it. Good to go.
There is a pressure test in this forum that using service menu that will give you an idea. Mine has a crack but is still waterproof. By that, I've only had it splashed and dipped quickly in a pool. I wouldn't take it very deep as I imagine the water pressure would open the crack a bit wider and let water in (however I'm not sure if the glass is the phone colour or if the glass is clear and the phone colour is a plastic cover behind the glass which would mean help with stopping water getting in after a crack)
Has any brave soul tried this feature? If so give us your experience!
Personally I have not, knowing my luck my device would be the one with faulty ports/leaks ?
Some people have tried it and damaged their phone. Others have been fine. The phone is water resistant not waterproof so I would recommend against dipping it in water.
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I personally placed my wife's S7 Edge screen under a running tap for a few seconds. Phone still works fine. Having said that the iPhone 6S has some great water resistant features and it doesn't even have an IP rating. Yet my old iPhone 5s died after siting in a little puddle of water on the bathroom basin bench, which was barely as deep as the back cover. At least with some certified proof of water resistance protection on the S7's, I won't be taking mine swimming or showering, but its surely great to know that it could
handle some very common water contact.
If it spoils easily regardlessof having water resistance why does samsung make all these ads with lil john dunking his phone in the aquarium and whatnot. Theyre tempting us to do so and if the phone is broken they should never void the warranty as long as it adheres to the phone being not deeper than 1.5 meters for not longer than 30 mins
As above, i've run mine under the tap a few times and it's been fine. I've never submerged it though, I don't dare yet. I also don't have a need to, so don't anticipate I will anytime soon.
I finally had it tested and it was an accidental situation which makes it seem useful and not just intentionally testing it for the sake of it. We left my wife's S7 on the coffee table and there was a cup of water on there. We came back and the water got knocked over, the phone was kind of in a puddle of it. I was actually excited to test it, but pissed that my cat has been ****ing with filled cups of water lately.
Tried dipping it while i was in the gym pool lol charged it after 2 hrs moisture detected, wiped the inside with some tissue all good ?
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I use it to watch the news in the shower every day, and I tested under running water for a few minutes when I first got it. Water proofing is the biggest single reason why I bought this phone. If it doesn't work as advertised, I would have returned it. This thing is designed to handle water, so don't be afraid. I wouldn't swim with it, but a couple of drops of water from the shower or caught out in a rain storm, are nothing to worry about.
It is sold as a waterproof phone, not just water resistant. IP68 means full submersion in water, up to 5 feet for 30 minutes. That is waterproof. If the device fails from less than that, Samsung would legally have to replace it for you under warranty.
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I use it to watch the news in the shower every day, and I tested under running water for a few minutes when I first got it. Water proofing is the biggest single reason why I bought this phone. If it doesn't work as advertised, I would have returned it. This thing is designed to handle water, so don't be afraid. I wouldn't swim with it, but a couple of drops of water from the shower or caught out in a rain storm, are nothing to worry about.
It is sold as a waterproof phone, not just water resistant. IP68 means full submersion in water, up to 5 feet for 30 minutes. That is waterproof. If the device fails from less than that, Samsung would legally have to replace it for you under warranty.
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that's all true but they get you with the "water pressure" crap. running it under a slowly pouring tap should be fine, but running it under heavy/fast flowing water flowing from the tap could be a problem, also the entire submersion thing, drop it in slow it should be fine, throw it in water and it could cause issues.
The IP68 rating is simply a bonus for me. I will treat it no differently than any other phone but it's good to know that, should an accident occur, and it ends up in the sink or something similar, it should be alright. Being able to use it in the rain is quite nice too. However, people who put their new phone in a bowl of water the day they get it to prove some sort of point deserve any issues they end up with.
1.5m 30mins. With that rating i would say it's safe to bring it with you when you swim(not dive), and would not recommend to bring it to snorkel. I saw someone dropped their phone to a 40 feet river.. that for sure are gonna break the phone..
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BTW, make sure you never subject it to soapy water. Its water resistance relies on the surface tension of the water. Soap lowers water's surface tension, allowing the water to flow into places it normally wouldn't, as this guy found out the hard way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/how-to/water-damage-story-t3337463
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I use it to watch the news in the shower every day, and I tested under running water for a few minutes when I first got it. Water proofing is the biggest single reason why I bought this phone. If it doesn't work as advertised, I would have returned it. This thing is designed to handle water, so don't be afraid. I wouldn't swim with it, but a couple of drops of water from the shower or caught out in a rain storm, are nothing to worry about.
It is sold as a waterproof phone, not just water resistant. IP68 means full submersion in water, up to 5 feet for 30 minutes. That is waterproof. If the device fails from less than that, Samsung would legally have to replace it for you under warranty.
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doing the same as you better to test the warranty while its still hot
it froze on me on 2nd shower, high pressure test video recording but im sure it was the fact that ive got like 5% space left on the memory.
I also run it under cold fast water if it heats up, i do block the charge port, then its cooled down enough for some day charging...
its quite a well built phone and I would be shocked if it does get water damage, but im worried, samy warranty is good service.
I couldn't resist testing this out. After all, if it's not working as advertised I'd want a replacement. So I filled up the sink and then carefully placed the phone at the bottom. The screen doesn't work while under water but once I took it out everything was back to normal. Awesome feature!
I don't need the water resistance features of the phone, but I do believe that if it's water resistant then it's less likely for moisture and corrosion to hamper with buttons, contacts and other internals. I had 3-4 phones with unresponsive power buttons over time, so if Samsung used good, oxidation-resistant materials for water resistance purposes then it will probably be beneficial for overall mechanical health of the phone as well.
Anyone else have any experiences to share?
Was at a party this past weekend with a lot of friends. I had my phone in my hand, browsing something, and my buddy asked what phone I had. When I told him it was the S7 Edge, he promptly entered Lil Wayne mode and poured his beer onto my phone. Laughs were had. Took it to the bathroom and rinsed it under the sink for a few seconds, and all is well.
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Was at a party this past weekend with a lot of friends. I had my phone in my hand, browsing something, and my buddy asked what phone I had. When I told him it was the S7 Edge, he promptly entered Lil Wayne mode and poured his beer onto my phone. Laughs were had. Took it to the bathroom and rinsed it under the sink for a few seconds, and all is well.
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If someone did this to my phone without my consent I would enter Bruce Lee mode with them.
Ontopic: I tested my phone a lot. When I first got it I washed it with clean water everyday. I also washed it with soap a few times, I never had any problems.
After I received my dbrand skin I also washed it a couple of times, once with soap as well, to make sure the skin is water resistant (it is).
Now that the "new toy" syndrome has passed, I use my phone normally, but if someone asked me to take a selfie while the phone is underwater, I would do it
Dropped my phone in the bath and continued to leave it in there to show it off to the mrs as her iphone can't do it. Screen came out working fine including buttons, however the speaker was very distorted which kinda made me panic but it dried out overnight and all was well in the morning.
Needless to say I never lost my nerve round my partner and kept echoing your iPhone can't do that....
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If someone did this to my phone without my consent I would enter Bruce Lee mode with them.
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Haha, well since it was in my hand it's not like it got very wet. With the water resistance, I really didn't care. Gave me my first opportunity to test it out.
My son wanted to get a video underwater at the pool last weekend.
https://youtu.be/3UL4qcH7rJs
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I posted a little bit ago about my Gear S2 getting splashed at a pool party and it turning off and wouldn't turn on. I waited a day having it in a bag of rice before turning it on even though it was supposed to be water resistant. Turned it on and the screen flicked non stop. I periodically turned it on seeing if anything changed and it didn't.
Finally I contacted Samsung and they told me in a professional way to "go screw yourself". That just because they say it can withstand getting wet, doesn't mean they stand by it.
So I decided to take it apart. I didn't want to before because I've never taken apart a water proof smart watch before and didn't know if it would void the warranty (lol) or if it was glued shut to be water tight. Well honestly I don't see how it's supposed to keep water out with the way it is put together. But I quickly found the damage was on the LCD connector. It had a white crust like substance. So I cleaned it off with 99% isopropyl alcohol and a soft toothbrush and it works perfectly.
Needless to say my watch is avoiding water all together.
Wash dishes with mine, seems to work
Yeah I figured I would be able to do the same. I mean I take my S7 Edge into the pool and record video underwater all the time.
Back off my hols was tempted to try the s2 gear and S7 edge on the beach and pool - but didn't feel confident that it would work
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I swam with mine for prolonged time in an Olympic sized pool... Worked like a charm... Guess that the quality of the watch differs from one person to another... Good job on fixing yours!
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Though everyone can do what they want, I've made quite the effort keeping mine away from water, as I learned with my Neo it didn't like water too well.
I've used my Gear S2 inside the water for prolonged times with no problem. At the beach and at the pool. The first time I did it by mistake but it survived.
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It can survive beer too, I tried it today [emoji3] It was an accident of course and got literally soaked, but it's perfectly fine.
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Got mine wet, now a day later the speaker sounds tiny and crackles almost has no volume to it.. Its getting better though the more I play music through it
As with others, I've had expected water-resistant results with mine as well (Verizon 3G classic). Shower with it, clean it under running water, gets wet in all sorts of other activities (washing the car, dishes, etc.). No issues.
Sounds like you simply got a bad one -- something that is inevitable, as there simply is no manufacturing process that yields zero defects, ever.
What is really, really disturbing is the response from Samsung.