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I know, i'm crazy, but i can't take it without root, i have note 8 jump on demand with t-mo so i can cancel anytime and return the device.
There is a guy locally selling a amazing silver u11 128gb\6gb that he owned for 6 weeks for 500$ locally, i checked it out already, it's pristine.
How do you guys feel about going from n8 to u11? am i crazy?
I had the 128/6gb U11. Couldn't wait to root it and install viperU. Unfortunately, with Verizon, due to carrier aggregation on big red's end had to be allowed which meant only lte band 13 for the mean time may NEVER happen.
Also, root on verizon network is VERY sketchy, as in randomly loosing signal which most times requires a clean install! I don't know if tmobile has any of those problems but that was the main reason I returned the U11.
Now, root on samsung is always a half @ssed work around (meaning no nandroid backups and unstable kernal). So I chose the note 8 with no intentions of rooting. It was scary joining the common folk but it isn't that bad.
I just started using samsung pay and I am impressed. The phone is nearly the same size (slightly taller) than the U11, but a noticeable difference in screen size. Samsung has come a long way, and some small features that I like are:
-Scrolling down screen shots
-allowing you to tie the volume buttons to media volume instead of ringer
-samsung gallery : htc abandoned gallery for google photos
-samsung internet I surprisingly like, eslecially with ad block extensions
-gear VR and google daydream support
-Countless other small customization options that once samsung never offered
-wireless charging (never knew what I was missing)
-the camera is great, I use that 2x zoom a lot
-last thing I can think of is the S pen.
I underestimated it. Never thought I'd use it much but for reading blueprints, being able to hover to zoom and write directly on them has all been extremely usefull
That's all that I can think of at the moment, but I have been pleasantly surprised how much I like this phone without root over the U11.
(squeeze for flashlight when the phone is off was a great gimmick that ill miss and without xposed I cant set the bixby button to flash light like I would like!)
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JohnHenryIron said:
I had the 128/6gb U11. Couldn't wait to root it and install viperU. Unfortunately, with Verizon, due to carrier aggregation on big red's end had to be allowed which meant only lte band 13 for the mean time may NEVER happen.
Also, root on verizon network is VERY sketchy, as in randomly loosing signal which most times requires a clean install! I don't know if tmobile has any of those problems but that was the main reason I returned the U11.
Now, root on samsung is always a half @ssed work around (meaning no nandroid backups and unstable kernal). So I chose the note 8 with no intentions of rooting. It was scary joining the common folk but it isn't that bad.
I just started using samsung pay and I am impressed. The phone is nearly the same size (slightly taller) than the U11, but a noticeable difference in screen size. Samsung has come a long way, and some small features that I like are:
-Scrolling down screen shots
-allowing you to tie the volume buttons to media volume instead of ringer
-samsung gallery : htc abandoned gallery for google photos
-samsung internet I surprisingly like, eslecially with ad block extensions
-gear VR and google daydream support
-Countless other small customization options that once samsung never offered
-wireless charging (never knew what I was missing)
-the camera is great, I use that 2x zoom a lot
-last thing I can think of is the S pen.
I underestimated it. Never thought I'd use it much but for reading blueprints, being able to hover to zoom and write directly on them has all been extremely usefull
That's all that I can think of at the moment, but I have been pleasantly surprised how much I like this phone without root over the U11.
(squeeze for flashlight when the phone is off was a great gimmick that ill miss and without xposed I cant set the bixby button to flash light like I would like!)
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with root the following problems are resolved
"Scrolling down screen shots
-allowing you to tie the volume buttons to media volume instead of ringer
-samsung gallery : htc abandoned gallery for google photos"
I like samsung internet too, but there's no amount of goodness that can replace the ability of being an administrator of your phone, i'm really angry with samsung that they lockdown SN835 devices in NA but not exynos elsewhere, plus they don't sell the exynos directly to us so i have to go through shady non official ways to buy one and not even get the oem unlock option in the rom.
The camera is awesome too.
As for root there won't be any issues regarding t-mobile, unfortunately that's where verizon gets screwed with these phones.
Things I do with root\unlocked bootloader -
Ad away
Magisk modules including youtube adblock
better kernels
I just don't know what to do. :\
If i can buy an exynos version from samsung tomorrow this would be no argument
Keep in mind i came from OP3t to note 8 , so i'm not concerned about the size or bezels , since the bezels on the u11 is very similar to the op3t bezels
If it wasn't for Verizon, I'd of had root on the u11 and never of had anything to compare it too!
I always flashed venom roms for extreme customization.
It was always titanium backup, greenify, adaway / youtube adaway, chrome pie and full access to system files.
It just seems that keeping a fully functioning phone with root has become more and more of a hassle with each new phone, which is kind of disappointing.
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I had the 128/6gb U11. Couldn't wait to root it and install viperU. Unfortunately, with Verizon, due to carrier aggregation on big red's end had to be allowed which meant only lte band 13 for the mean time may NEVER happen.
Also, root on verizon network is VERY sketchy, as in randomly loosing signal which most times requires a clean install! I don't know if tmobile has any of those problems but that was the main reason I returned the U11.
Now, root on samsung is always a half @ssed work around (meaning no nandroid backups and unstable kernal). So I chose the note 8 with no intentions of rooting. It was scary joining the common folk but it isn't that bad.
I just started using samsung pay and I am impressed. The phone is nearly the same size (slightly taller) than the U11, but a noticeable difference in screen size. Samsung has come a long way, and some small features that I like are:
-Scrolling down screen shots
-allowing you to tie the volume buttons to media volume instead of ringer
-samsung gallery : htc abandoned gallery for google photos
-samsung internet I surprisingly like, eslecially with ad block extensions
-gear VR and google daydream support
-Countless other small customization options that once samsung never offered
-wireless charging (never knew what I was missing)
-the camera is great, I use that 2x zoom a lot
-last thing I can think of is the S pen.
I underestimated it. Never thought I'd use it much but for reading blueprints, being able to hover to zoom and write directly on them has all been extremely usefull
That's all that I can think of at the moment, but I have been pleasantly surprised how much I like this phone without root over the U11.
(squeeze for flashlight when the phone is off was a great gimmick that ill miss and without xposed I cant set the bixby button to flash light like I would like!)
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I have root on the HTC U11 with Verizon with all bands working properly. As long as you insert a SIM that is already activated with advanced calling, none of these issues mentioned against Verizon are valid. Don't know for sure about carrier aggregation but I am getting sppeds of 90+mbps on band 2.
JohnHenryIron said:
If it wasn't for Verizon, I'd of had root on the u11 and never of had anything to compare it too!
I always flashed venom roms for extreme customization.
It was always titanium backup, greenify, adaway / youtube adaway, chrome pie and full access to system files.
It just seems that keeping a fully functioning phone with root has become more and more of a hassle with each new phone, which is kind of disappointing.
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agreed. i'm not thrilled of the prospect of having a handicapped root on N8 with 80% charging capabilities only
I wish it were that easy for me. I used an activated sim with advanced calling enabled already and was stuck on band 13. I didn't try root since there was a possibility I was sending it back. I just saw all the threads & posts dealing with Verizon. I actually experienced some weird buzzing noise that other people have posted about as well.
Not everyone has these issues. It has even been figured out that if you have stable root, take out the sim before any root related reboots such as updating the hosts file otherwise you could end up with the vanashing signal issue and have to do a factory reset to fix.
I assume in time this will all be ironed out but it was too expensive for a "wait & see".
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JohnHenryIron said:
I wish it were that easy for me. I used an activated sim with advanced calling enabled already and was stuck on band 13. I didn't try root since there was a possibility I was sending it back. I just saw all the threads & posts dealing with Verizon. I actually experienced some weird buzzing noise that other people have posted about as well.
Not everyone has these issues. It has even been figured out that if you have stable root, take out the sim before any root related reboots such as updating the hosts file otherwise you could end up with the vanashing signal issue and have to do a factory reset to fix.
I assume in time this will all be ironed out but it was too expensive for a "wait & see".
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tbh, having worked at big red for 10 years @ the NRB, it sounds like you are simply having provisioning issues. Root plays no part in network provisioning unless RIL files were messed with (not common these days anymore).
I tried note 8
Wow sound is ****
Performance is **** besides u11
But dual camera is great
I love bokeh effects ❤
JohnHenryIron said:
I wish it were that easy for me. I used an activated sim with advanced calling enabled already and was stuck on band 13. I didn't try root since there was a possibility I was sending it back. I just saw all the threads & posts dealing with Verizon. I actually experienced some weird buzzing noise that other people have posted about as well.
Not everyone has these issues. It has even been figured out that if you have stable root, take out the sim before any root related reboots such as updating the hosts file otherwise you could end up with the vanashing signal issue and have to do a factory reset to fix.
I assume in time this will all be ironed out but it was too expensive for a "wait & see".
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Actually if you root the U11 on Verizon and open network signal guru it activates all the bands to work properly.
masri1987 said:
I know, i'm crazy, but i can't take it without root, i have note 8 jump on demand with t-mo so i can cancel anytime and return the device.
There is a guy locally selling a amazing silver u11 128gb\6gb that he owned for 6 weeks for 500$ locally, i checked it out already, it's pristine.
How do you guys feel about going from n8 to u11? am i crazy?
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Not a great idea but it's your right and money. So please yourself...
If you do decide to switch the U11, please let us know your thoughts.
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agreed. i'm not thrilled of the prospect of having a handicapped root on N8 with 80% charging capabilities only
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There's more to the limited root with samsungs than 80% charging. I came to the u11 from a Galaxy S 7 Edge. There was a similar root which required the use of an engineering bootloader which i believe is similar to the Note 8 root. It made the phone almost unuseable from a performance standpoint. There were tweaks that came out which would speed things up for a while but after a week or two the thing would be so sluggish i ended up canning the root and running stock. It was unbearable.
I've been a long time HTC guy and went to Samsung Galaxy S6 over the One m9, the camera was incredible. I think the Galaxy s7 was actually a step down in terms of image quality over the s6 (they went from 16 megapixels to 12) My sister has the s8 and it's a nice phone, but i prefer htc because of Viper and like the OP said, they squeeze for flashlight and camera are actually something i use every day.
Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in since i had awful experiences with the wonky root on the S 7 Edge.
rom116 said:
There's more to the limited root with samsungs than 80% charging. I came to the u11 from a Galaxy S 7 Edge. There was a similar root which required the use of an engineering bootloader which i believe is similar to the Note 8 root. It made the phone almost unuseable from a performance standpoint. There were tweaks that came out which would speed things up for a while but after a week or two the thing would be so sluggish i ended up canning the root and running stock. It was unbearable.
I've been a long time HTC guy and went to Samsung Galaxy S6 over the One m9, the camera was incredible. I think the Galaxy s7 was actually a step down in terms of image quality over the s6 (they went from 16 megapixels to 12) My sister has the s8 and it's a nice phone, but i prefer htc because of Viper and like the OP said, they squeeze for flashlight and camera are actually something i use every day.
Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in since i had awful experiences with the wonky root on the S 7 Edge.
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thank you for this, I needed this personal background-
Irony is the pixel 2 xl now has the feature that was hated on the most regarding the htc u11
So long story short I have had my Verizon Pixel 3 since launch but never activated it and switched over to it due to some personal issues over the last few months...I am almost ready to dive in and set it all up and make the switch what I want to know is there any known issues I should be looking out for whether it be software or hardware related?
If I were you, I wouldn't even take it out of the box. Sell this piece of junk and get something else. I am waiting for my third replacement and there won't be a fourth.
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If I were you, I wouldn't even take it out of the box. Sell this piece of junk and get something else. I am waiting for my third replacement and there won't be a fourth.
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What were your problems?
Have had it for a couple months. Waiting on replacement. Charging port is loose.
In October I switched to the pixel 3 after 8 years of iPhones.
Very satisfied with the Google experience. It's an excellent phone.
My wife and I have been using the Pixel 3 and Pixel 3XL since just after release and after 2+years of the OG Pixel and Pixel XL. None of the 4 phones have had any hardware issues or software issues besides normal stuff that gets fixed or is application specific. Most of the software issues have been the cat and mouse game with rooting (these days via Magisk), custom recovery (TWRP) and installing from custom recovery, and other random root permission/root app issues. Since you have a Verizon variant, none of that is relevant except in the extremely unlikely event that a bootloader unlock is found. To be honest, the only issue either of us have had software related is that on her phone she has to to swipe the shade down again after clicking/acknowledging a notification to get the notification to go away. Funny thing is the OG Pixel had the same issue, and it is hardly a deal breaker despite the fact that Google has just thrown a ton of useless troubleshooting steps her way that would be far more problematic and time consuming than just dealing with it. It has been reported by others, but there still seems to be no consistency in the cause.
I've had the Pixel 1, 2, and now 3. I've had ONE issue with the 1st Pixel and haven't had another issue since. The GPS chip went out in the first pixel but the rest have been bullet proof.
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First device had a paint chip on the frame near the top, awful battery life and static noise in the earpiece, and many software bugs that were mostly fixed with the December update. Second device had a paint chip near the usb port, problems with the oleophobic coating, and static noise in the earpiece, and the black frame had marks/scratches all around from being on a Spigen case which never happened with any other device I had in the past. Besides these issues, the software seems half-baked, with lots of small glitches. The video recording is terrible for a flagship phone (not talking about the audio), and if the phone starts getting too hot, the recording becomes choppy and the phones turns into a lag fest and it turns itself off to cooldown. All in all, I feel like the quality of the hardware is subpar and the software experience is too barebones to justify the price.
For me, the biggest unresolved issue has been the persistent lack of communication from Google. It seems particularly bad since the release of the Pixel 3. That has not been corrected, and probably never will.
I can understand and forgive defects. They are bound to happen. That being said, the Pixel 3 has had an abnormally large number of issues compared to most other devices (even compared to previous Google devices) indicating a low level of quality control on this particular product. Going by what I'm seeing on the forums, the biggest outstanding technical issue right now appears to be with call quality. I've personally experienced this issue myself on 6 different Pixel 3 and 3XL phones (RMA exchanges). I also work with a number of people who received/purchased the Pixel 3 or 3XL over the holidays, and have found that their call quality is so poor that they can't even use the phone. I started a thread about it here on XDA. It is the topic of one of the top threads on Google's own product forums. Thousands of people commenting, and new people adding their voice every day. Some major news outlets have picked it up. There are also daily posts about it on the /r/GooglePixel sub-reddit, but they are quickly removed by moderators or downvoted into oblivion. To this date, no one can say for certain what causes it because Google won't officially acknowledge that they even are aware of it, let alone trying to fix it.
There also appear to be outstanding issues with memory management, screen colors, Bluetooth connectivity, and the haptic engine (seems to have a high failure rate). Some folks are claiming they are still having issues with the camera not saving, despite the recent patch. Browsing the forums, there is still a laundry list of other unresolved issues with the P3. Some might be fixable, and some are inherent to poor QA in the batch, and will probably never be resolved.
But none of that matters, because Google won't communicate. There is literally no indication even Google is even aware of these issues. There is no way of knowing what will be in the next patch, and no expectations relayed to the customers.
Even if the Pixel 3 is eventually patched to perfection (doubtful), and all Googles future releases are problem free, the blatant lack of communication and poor customer service will prevent me from purchasing a Google product again. The level of customer service is on-par with some of those shady Chinese e-bay stores that sell low quality electronics. I honestly can't believe a billion dollar company is treating their customers this way.
Edit: Here is a link to the product forums. You will probably get the best idea for the problems people are having there, since it is the first place a non-technically inclined user is likely to go.
My wife and I both have Pixel 3's that we've been using since late October. Neither of us have had a single issue. I think it's a great phone.
Well I'm having this issue since the very first day I bought my pixel 3:
I get some random vibrations without notification whatsoever. Its always the same pattern : 2 short vibrations.
Installed every possible notification log application, used the settings widget etc. There is NO notification logged when this happens. None.
It is just random, and no it doesn't only happen in shhh mode or in the pocket, it also happens when the phone is idle face up on a table.
Very frustrating.
Aanze said:
Well I'm having this issue since the very first day I bought my pixel 3:
I get some random vibrations without notification whatsoever. Its always the same pattern : 2 short vibrations.
Installed every possible notification log application, used the settings widget etc. There is NO notification logged when this happens. None.
It is just random, and no it doesn't only happen in shhh mode or in the pocket, it also happens when the phone is idle face up on a table.
Very frustrating.
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Now that you mention it, I was also having this issue with my phone. I thought I was just going crazy though :laugh:
Hi guy, anyone getting this weird bug/issue, I am getting this "battery may run out soon" warning notification even when i am above 60%?
Does this phone work well with US carriers? Mainly ATT? And how does everyone like the device? I'm coming from the essential phone ph-1 and would love to hear input on the 7 pro.
Thanks!
Been using this phone on AT&T (Boston area) since last June and it works flawlessly. Just put my SIM in, and it worked without a hitch. Pretty much the same experience with my last phone, which was the OnePlus 3T, which I had for 2 years.
7 Pro is a great phone. Really fast and smooth with the (at the time it was released) top of the line Snapdragon processor and 90 Hz screen. You get flagship performance for a much lower price than a Samsung or iPhone (okay, XDA users aren't really the type to buy iPhones - but you see where I'm coming from). The camera on those other phones might be a bit better. But really, you're getting 95% of the phone quality for a much lower price.
Just as important, the OS is really clean. Close to a stock Android feel, with a few (mostly useful and inobtrusive) added features. OP devices tend to be root friendly, and enjoy great developer and community support here on XDA.
One quibble is the curved screen edges. More flash than function. I feel like OnePlus was trying to make it look like the Samsung screens. But it occasionally makes it difficult and awkward to tap on things near the screen edge. It's a pretty minor thing. But enough to make me wish the phone had a flat screen, instead of curved edges.
Another minor comment (can't even call it a quibble really) is the pop-up selfie camera. It does allow the screen to be completely without any camera notch or cut-out. But some folks have been concerned about long term durability. Unless you are taking tons of selfies, I don't see it as much of any issue. Although if you use face unlock (which I do), you do have to wait for it to pop up and down. It happens pretty fast. But face unlock takes maybe a second (perhaps less) longer than my old 3T due to this (since that phone didn't have to pop a camera up). If you use the fingerprint unlock, this isn't a thing at all, of course. And the pop-up camera does make for a good party gimmick! :laugh:
jrodbrown58 said:
Does this phone work well with US carriers? Mainly ATT? And how does everyone like the device? I'm coming from the essential phone ph-1 and would love to hear input on the 7 pro.
Thanks!
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This phone works fine
I'm using a OnePlus 7 pro Tmobile brand
I used a international rom which allows 2 Sim cards and I believe unlocks it to be used with other carriers
The device is very snappy, before the international rom flash it would boot in like 2 seconds
After I unlocked it the stupid integrity warning slows down the boot by like 10-30 seconds
The phone has one of the best benchmarks for any phone if not the best still.
Camera pop up is pretty fast and snappy
Updates were frequent until all the fuss about cornavirus started.
Issues - currently blackscreen when opening several game applications including
Clash of clans
Old school runescape
Cod mobile
And others.
But on earlier versions it was fine.
Other complaints that shouldn't effect much on the use of the phone.
System is locked making debloat ING harder then needs to be (Google apps are trash 99% of the time)
Custom Rom updates seem to be slow
Magisk roms seem to not always work
Wiping system makes the entire phone useless until you use the msm tool to re-upload your phones software
Could have Alot more tweaks and functionality if OnePlus added them (navigation bar specifically is limited, I don't use recent button I use it as a menu button)
Bloatware by Google. (I'd prefer to install what I want not be forced to use what they implement)
Overall I give this phone a 8/10 rating.
Would be 10/10 if they actually lived by their motto.
Its Alot to read but worth the time. (unless I don't make any sense then sorry)
I'm using my US unlocked model with Visible and Google fi. I was using VZW until I changed to Visible. No problems.
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I have the 7 Pro 5G, running on Sprint, bootloader unlocked and sim unlocked, definitely the best phone I've ever owned, I came from the LG V40 immediately prior, and the Pixel XL series before that, I also did breifly own the Essential phone,
-the 90Hz display is downright the absolute best screen I've ever had on any phone ever.
-256 gigabytes of storage is more than enough for me
-I have yet to encounter any tasks that caused any small amount of lag even.
-the cameras arent amazing, but they're decent, better than the essential.
-the pop up camera feature definitely is better than a notch and it's also just fun to watch it go up and down.
Overall this phone is 10/10, Just wish they cared more about the 5G variants and updated them faster...
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Been using this phone on AT&T (Boston area) since last June and it works flawlessly. Just put my SIM in, and it worked without a hitch. Pretty much the same experience with my last phone, which was the OnePlus 3T, which I had for 2 years.
7 Pro is a great phone. Really fast and smooth with the (at the time it was released) top of the line Snapdragon processor and 90 Hz screen. You get flagship performance for a much lower price than a Samsung or iPhone (okay, XDA users aren't really the type to buy iPhones - but you see where I'm coming from). The camera on those other phones might be a bit better. But really, you're getting 95% of the phone quality for a much lower price.
Just as important, the OS is really clean. Close to a stock Android feel, with a few (mostly useful and inobtrusive) added features. OP devices tend to be root friendly, and enjoy great developer and community support here on XDA.
One quibble is the curved screen edges. More flash than function. I feel like OnePlus was trying to make it look like the Samsung screens. But it occasionally makes it difficult and awkward to tap on things near the screen edge. It's a pretty minor thing. But enough to make me wish the phone had a flat screen, instead of curved edges.
Another minor comment (can't even call it a quibble really) is the pop-up selfie camera. It does allow the screen to be completely without any camera notch or cut-out. But some folks have been concerned about long term durability. Unless you are taking tons of selfies, I don't see it as much of any issue. Although if you use face unlock (which I do), you do have to wait for it to pop up and down. It happens pretty fast. But face unlock takes maybe a second (perhaps less) longer than my old 3T due to this (since that phone didn't have to pop a camera up). If you use the fingerprint unlock, this isn't a thing at all, of course. And the pop-up camera does make for a good party gimmick! :laugh:
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I'm definitely gonna buy this phone when I get the cash, but noticed there's a few variants. Chinese, international unlocked and US. The US one is the one i know will work in the US but what about the international unlocked? I just don't want to have to spend the extra money if I don't have to
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I'm definitely gonna buy this phone when I get the cash, but noticed there's a few variants. Chinese, international unlocked and US. The US one is the one i know will work in the US but what about the international unlocked? I just don't want to have to spend the extra money if I don't have to
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I can only speak for the version I bought, which is the US unlocked version.
Currently have an S21 ultra and am considering trading it in for a Pixel 7 pro. Would this be considered an upgrade?
That depends entirely on your usecase. Samsung offers a multitude of software gimmicks (we Pixel people call it bloatware) and a stellar display plus a relatively good battery life (by shutting down everything in the background*).
*https://dontkillmyapp.com/
Pixels on the other hand offer an extraordinary camera, a smooth software experience, quick updates and new features every couple of months.
Purely in terms of hardware and competition, the P7 Pro is designed to beat the S22 Ultra and will compete with the upcoming S23 Ultra, as such, yes - the P7 Pro can be considered an upgrade to your 1 3/4 year old S21 Ultra. But it's a bit like comparing a Porsche to a BMW - both are good, but both are also vitally different. Both offer a different set of features and are designed for a certain level of expectation. It's a question of taste, at the end of the day.
Agreed with @Morgrain. I went back to Samsung (Note 10+ 512 GB) after my Pixel 1 stopped receiving updates because I needed a phone with 512 GB of storage minimum, so it wasn't until the Pixel 6 Pro was offered with 512 GB that I could come back. Personally, I couldn't stand Samsung for a variety of reasons I detailed many times in several Pixel 6 Pro threads
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My wife and I had the Note 10+, not the S21 Ultra, so I can't speak to that.
For the Note 10+, complaints were:
Slow ultrasonic in-screen fingerprint reader. Some folks have the same complaint about the P6P's optical in-screen, but it's worked very, very well for me.
Samsung's duplication of multiple services that Google supplies. You have to know what you're looking for and jump through all the proper hoops/settings to set defaults back to Google's solutions since that's what I prefer.
Related to Samsung's duplication of services/apps, their phone app duplicated a bunch of my contacts (and even tripled some) in a way that Google doesn't recognize them as duplicates, so I'd have to go through manually, compare, and delete or consolidate contacts.
How customization of the active Quick Setting tiles was set was really frustrating, up through and including Android 11 on the Note 10+. When it gave a list of the QS Tiles I had to choose from (to add to those that normally show), it presented them in a single horizontal scrolling row across the top of the screen only and in no order that made sense to this human, instead of Google's method of displaying all the tiles available in all of the screen real estate that's available, so even if the order the "inactive" ones doesn't make sense, at least I can see 14 of them all at once and only have a little over two pages of them instead of 8 pages of single-row QS tiles to choose what to activate. This is particularly frustrating when using third-party apps to enable better performing QS tiles for WiFi or Mobile Data toggling or other purposes, so I would have more than one nearly identical-looking toggle that would get confusing to choose from, and from what I remember, the custom third-party app-created QS tiles weren't necessarily together or at the very end of the scrolling list.
Despite disabling all background snoozing for particular apps like GMail, Hangouts/Chat, etc, I couldn't get timely notifications of emails and chat. This was particularly troublesome for work, which also uses Google for everything. I opt not to have a work-supplied phone as it would be iOS. As an aside, my coworkers who do have iPhones from work also have trouble with some chat notifications not being obvious or immediate or some such, so that wouldn't necessarily be a solution anyway.
Before the Note 10+ (on the Pixel 1 I used before it), my emails and chat notifications came through immediately. I sometimes got email notifications for work several hours after. I do enough multi-tasking and when I'm very busy I just don't get a chance to flip back to my Chrome GMail window on the computer so I rely on the phone notifications.
Sometimes I would get a phone notification of an email (both personal and work) in the GMail app hours after I had already seen the email in Chrome on the PC and had deleted it or in some cases at least definitely had read it and didn't do anything further with it.
My brother has a Galaxy S9+. This has been his and his big extended family's first smartphones of any kind. When I complained to him about the late or useless Note 10+ GMail and chat notifications, he told me he experiences the exact same thing and he assumed that was just the way Android is.
Factory resets and all disabling of background snoozing of affected apps didn't help at all.
Samsung gimped Do Not Disturb. When DnD came out with (I think it was 5.0 Lollipop), I hated it and gave up on it quickly. I don't remember at what point I started actually using it on the Pixel 1, but they definitely improved it tons. I don't recall exactly what Samsung's implementation was missing but it was very noticeable having come from the Pixel 1 and no longer being able to do some things. I think what Samsung was missing was the ultra-fine granularity of configuration I could do for each and every scheduled and common/unscheduled DnD profile as to what exceptions were allowed to get past DnD. They had some of it implemented but missing enough that it stuck out at the time.
Now that I have the P6P, I can say that the Note 10+'s night mode camera shots were really bad. I think they were worse than even the Pixel 1s'. The P6P does wonders with what little light is available, by comparison.
There may have been more but I can't recall at this time.
I did like the built-in stylus. My wife used hers tons more than I did, but it would be handy for Google Photos' magic eraser and for other things. Samsung owns patents that would keep anyone else's stylus from being quite as useful or convenient, however. If I remember correctly, between Apple and Samsung's stylus patents, everyone else's stylus just can't compare.
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The only thing I miss on my 21 Ultra is the 100x zoom, it took some great shots of the moon. I have a 6 Pro but ordered the 7 Pro so I'm excited to see the improvements.
I guess the biggest question I have is what features (besides the 100x zoom) would I lose from the S21 ultra and what from the P7P would I be missing out sticking with the S21U?
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I guess the biggest question I have is what features (besides the 100x zoom) would I lose from the S21 ultra and what from the P7P would I be missing out sticking with the S21U?
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The most obvious thing in the direction of what you would be missing from the P7P is Pixel-exclusive features (which normally trickle down to Samsung and others within a few years, but not always).
I love the Google Phone app's native customizable call screening feature for different types of incoming calls (likely spam, not in contacts, first time caller...). Also it's Hold For Me feature is great to avoid dumb, loud, annoying, repetitive hold "muzak". As far as I know, those features haven't made their way to non-Pixels yet, although they wouldn't be specific to the Pixel 7/Pro either.
I also love @siavash79's [MOD][Xposed+Magisk][Pre-Release] AOSP Mods - System modifications for AOSP-based Android 12+ on my rooted Pixel 6 Pro and look forward to finding out if it will need any adjustments to work on the P7P.
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The most obvious thing in the direction of what you would be missing from the P7P is Pixel-exclusive features (which normally trickle down to Samsung and others within a few years, but not always).
I love the Google Phone app's native customizable call screening feature for different types of incoming calls (likely spam, not in contacts, first time caller...). Also it's Hold For Me feature is great to avoid dumb, loud, annoying, repetitive hold "muzak". As far as I know, those features haven't made their way to non-Pixels yet, although they wouldn't be specific to the Pixel 7/Pro either.
I also love @siavash79's [MOD][Xposed+Magisk][Pre-Release] AOSP Mods - System modifications for AOSP-based Android 12+ on my rooted Pixel 6 Pro and look forward to finding out if it will need any adjustments to work on the P7P.
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Regarding conversation of switching from Samsung to Google:
I personally think although good hardware is very important, we have to note that nowadays most of the phones have good quality hardware on them. (I do agree that Samsung offers the highest quality hardware).
Now, to me (and might be only me), the most important thing to choose a phone is not hardware, but is the "Software" it offers. The ROM should be safe, secure, rich in features, AND supported constantly be OEM.
When it comes to software, I think Samsung is one of the worst with regards to support: It's not open source, updates are very (very) much delayed, and it's too much far away from "original" android experience.
On the contrary (and even though I've personally suffered a lot from Google hardware in the past), Google phones offer everything Samsung doesn't: It's open source, "original" android experience, first to get updates (every single month on 5th), and first to get new Android (at least 6 months before others due to developer and beta releases)
So It's up to you to choose based on your priorities: Best hardware is offered by Samsung, best software is in Pixel
With regards to AOSPMods operating on P7: Since the source code of the ROM is the same as the released A13 source, I don't see why it shouldn't work well from day one: Unless proven otherwise
siavash79 said:
Regarding conversation of switching from Samsung to Google:
I personally think although good hardware is very important, we have to note that nowadays most of the phones have good quality hardware on them. (I do agree that Samsung offers the highest quality hardware).
Now, to me (and might be only me), the most important thing to choose a phone is not hardware, but is the "Software" it offers. The ROM should be safe, secure, rich in features, AND supported constantly be OEM.
When it comes to software, I think Samsung is one of the worst with regards to support: It's not open source, updates are very (very) much delayed, and it's too much far away from "original" android experience.
On the contrary (and even though I've personally suffered a lot from Google hardware in the past), Google phones offer everything Samsung doesn't: It's open source, "original" android experience, first to get updates (every single month on 5th), and first to get new Android (at least 6 months before others due to developer and beta releases)
So It's up to you to choose based on your priorities: Best hardware is offered by Samsung, best software is in Pixel
With regards to AOSPMods operating on P7: Since the source code of the ROM is the same as the released A13 source, I don't see why it shouldn't work well from day one: Unless proven otherwise
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With regards to both sides, they have their own issues. It's been proven that Samsung phones have a battery bloating issue after a few years of use, and this could be seen as a huge risk considering the batteries in question are lithium-ion, but as long as you don't plan to use it for more than 1-2 years, there should be no issue. The issue with the Pixel series of phones could be considered just as serious depending on your circumstances. I'm not sure if this issue carries onto the Pixel 7, but the Pixel 6a has appauling battery life because of Google's chip, which drains the battery even when on standby, and there's been reports of it dying in your pocket as well.
Just pulled the trigger. I figured worst case scenario I have 14 days to return the P7P if I don't like it.
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Just pulled the trigger. I figured worst case scenario I have 14 days to return the P7P if I don't like it.
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good luck to you. feel free to report back after the 14 days. I'm curious how the new pixel works day to day
Morgrain said:
That depends entirely on your usecase. Samsung offers a multitude of software gimmicks (we Pixel people call it bloatware) and a stellar display plus a relatively good battery life (by shutting down everything in the background*).
*https://dontkillmyapp.com/
Pixels on the other hand offer an extraordinary camera, a smooth software experience, quick updates and new features every couple of months.
Purely in terms of hardware and competition, the P7 Pro is designed to beat the S22 Ultra and will compete with the upcoming S23 Ultra, as such, yes - the P7 Pro can be considered an upgrade to your 1 3/4 year old S21 Ultra. But it's a bit like comparing a Porsche to a BMW - both are good, but both are also vitally different. Both offer a different set of features and are designed for a certain level of expectation. It's a question of taste, at the end of the day.
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Truth is the P7 Pro is still lags behind the S22U as far as hardware and performance is concerned.
S22 Ultra vs Pixel 7 Pro
Pros and cons to both. Hopefully the P7's don't come with the software baggage that plagued the P6 release.
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Truth is the P7 Pro is still lags behind the S22U as far as hardware and performance is concerned.
S22 Ultra vs Pixel 7 Pro
Pros and cons to both. Hopefully the P7's don't come with the software baggage that plagued the P6 release.
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given the price, that doesn't surprise me at all.
Is there any solid backup system for Google Pixel phones (as Apple) ?
I am thinking to move for Pixel because in Samsung there is no reliable method to backup your data !!
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Is there any solid backup system for Google Pixel phones (as Apple) ?
I am thinking to move for Pixel because in Samsung there is no reliable method to backup your data !!
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Well, all Android phones have a backup system built in that runs automatically in the background. Is there a 3rd party option that might be better? You will have to do a little research and see what's available. But for the average person what comes with Android is adequate. YMMV
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Well, all Android phones have a backup system built in that runs automatically in the background. Is there a 3rd party option that might be better? You will have to do a little research and see what's available. But for the average person what comes with Android is adequate. YMMV
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Excuse me to disagree with you, There no YMMV in this kind of matter, When you bought a new phone they have to provide a way to transfer all your data as it is for the new one and forcing manufactures to be integrated. For me as natural user have to be feeling safe about my data and not lose it anytime or if the manufacture decide to blackmail user by storage spaces for Example (S22,S22+)
Me as photographer i have a lot of pictures captured by camera with copies after editing and +70GB Whatsapp conversations and there is no way to backup this photos and conversation by authentic way ( tell me about Whatsapp local backup and restore or 99% stuck of cloud).
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Is there any solid backup system for Google Pixel phones (as Apple) ?
I am thinking to move for Pixel because in Samsung there is no reliable method to backup your data !!
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The Pixel phones used to have free unlimited storage for photos, but it seems to have been ditched with the release of the Pixel 6 series. You're better off buying a usb stick and putting all the data you can on it, or connecting your phone to your computer and backing up your data that way.
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The only thing I miss on my 21 Ultra is the 100x zoom, it took some great shots of the moon. I have a 6 Pro but ordered the 7 Pro so I'm excited to see the improvements.
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Yeah, I have the s22 Ultra and also like taking the moon shots. What's interesting is that, in anticipation of the 7 pro, I tried dialing back the s22 ultra zoom to 30x. I think the pix at 30x were better than those at higher zoom, so I'm hopeful the 7 pro zoom will still be pretty good.
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The Pixel phones used to have free unlimited storage for photos, but it seems to have been ditched with the release of the Pixel 6 series. You're better off buying a usb stick and putting all the data you can on it, or connecting your phone to your computer and backing up your data that way.
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Defect point here is you have to do this manually if you have multiple paths or files.
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Defect point here is you have to do this manually if you have multiple paths or files.
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I do have multiple paths.
And I have a short makefile that synchronizes my Android(s) with the desktop using my AdbSync.exe (in the sig).
Of course you coud use batch (or shell) files and plain old ADB.
I currently have Samsung S22 Ultra. I was a devoted Note fan until the Note 7 and fire-starting issue. I have owned every pixel model since the beginning. Got rid of the 6 because of the bugs. My initial units of the 5 and 6 pro had hardware issues and needed to be exchanged, so I did not take Google's trade in offer on my ultra.
I love the ultra because of the spen (I have big fat fingers), but prefer the pixel os and it's exclusive features over One UI. Not a fan of the Sammy's photo processing either. My 7 Pro comes today and I will use it for a while to decide which one to keep.
Thank God for Swappa or I would be broke from buying the latest greatest smart phones!
I recently bought a Pixel6a with the Black Friday deal in Europe. Loved the software, but hated the hardware. Battery life has been awful since it didn't last a day, the colours look duller than my previous devices, has rainbow banding on white screen which is annoying for me and forced me to change to Dark Mode, but it's still annoying when reading with white background or watching videos (let's say there's a wardrobe in a video, a part of the wardrobe looks greener, the following looks normal and the following looks pinkier). The device doesn't overheat to the point of stop working, but It heats enough to be uncomfortable on my hands doing common everyday tasks (e.g. It gets to 40C when using Youtube/Twitch and 45C while gaming according to CPU Monitor App, but It feels hotter than what it looks like (disclaimer: 5G has been deactivated ever since I got the phone and using latest December update)), and after prolonged use, 15 mins or more, I have to let it down to cool it because touching the bare aluminium is uncomfortable to hold. I've sometimes found out it just heats up for no reason at all with no processes in the background.
I contacted Europe Google Support since I have till the 15th of January to send back the phone if I want. They first suggested a repair (I don't know what the tech support wanted to repair since It just sounds like a defect) and ended up doing an advanced replacement for a completely new device because the tech support guy concluded the device was defective based on my description. The device I got for replacement was a refurbished phone instead of a new factory one. Still, I tested out the device and found out it that had worse rainbow banding and the same heating issue or worse.
I contacted support again and they said they would contact the higher-ups with my case and I'd receive an email soon with an answer. Honestly, I'm not really hopeful with the upcoming answer, and I can't believe Google sends refurbished phones for clients in the returning window, I've had other phones with similar replacements and always got a completely new factory one and I feel betrayed about it.
I read online that a lot of people went through this problem and it got resolved after a replacement but it looks like I haven't been that lucky. Wondering what to do about it, thinking of asking Google about an actual replacement that hopefully doesn't have the uncomfortable heat and rainbow banding, but I'm in the verge of returning it due to this last experience. The pixel 6a is really good for browsing the web and using apps really fast since the software experience is so smooth compared to other devices, but I end up watching videos on my older devices (I have a really old 200€ Samsung, bq) because the experience is just better. I'm also a heavy phone gamer, so I don't mind a little heat when playing games, but this much looks like it's gonna wear the phone really fast and it's very concerning.
However, unlike many other users, I found no issues at all with the fingerprint sensor! Found out It just works better using the tip of the thumb rather than the full thumb and It works 100% of the time on both phones. Thumbs up for that! And also, the motor inside this device that produces the vibrations is the best one I've found so far in my life.
Let me know your thoughts and if you have the same temps while doing simple everyday tasks like me, and if the devices I have are really defective or that's their intended use because I have no stores available near me to check the phones or ask about it, and therefore take action based on it.
Thank you all in advance!
Other issues I found with the Pixel6a that I believe CAN be fixed through software:
The first 5 levels of volume don't actually move the slider a bit. Really annoying.
Saturated colours are really below the rest of the devices in the market. The only option for colour settings is either Natural or Adaptive, but even Adaptive looks like bare Natural on other devices I have. I also can't believe a Pixel has a cold-warm slider for taking photos but doesn't have the same slider for the colours of the phone itself. Let the people have the colours they want and don't force them on your business clamping or force them to root the phone.
Really disappointed to hear about the screen issues.
Honestly a colour temp adjustment for the screen should be standard on all phones now. I was shocked when I found that 2022 pixels still require a custom kernel just to choose your own white point.
That rainbow banding would drive me nuts too - reminds me of old school OLEDs I used several years ago.
Such a shame because I really want to experience the pixel camera, but looks like I'll be forced to go with Samsung or Xiaomi again.
Google's quality control is horrible. You wouldn't be the first to have to ask for a second replacement to get a "normal" device.
The "overheating" issue sort of fixes itself after a few weeks of use. I didn't want to believe others when they told me so, but I have experienced it on my own as well, and it does go away overtime.
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The first 5 levels of volume don't actually move the slider a bit. Really annoying.
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That's the case with all Pixels, basically. The bottom half of the volume slider (whether using the device's speakers or headphones (whether wired or not, made by Google or not)) is basically useless. Luckily, there's no noticeable distortion at max, but it doesn't get loud enough always.
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Saturated colours are really below the rest of the devices in the market.
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You had mentioned earlier in your post that you have an old Samsung. Compared to what devices on the market do you think the Pixel's screen isn't saturated enough? Samsung has a tendency of oversaturating their displays to make them pop, so they aren't very accurate either.