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I'm starting this thread cause I'm curious what you have to say on this.
Qualcomm is talking much(especially lately) about their snapdragon platform and how great it will be, that it will play 720p videos with support for multiply codecs and that it will be 3D graphic 'monster', but lately I think that it lacks one very important function HDMI. I know that there isn't even one phone which has it(but more and more phones have TV-out and with the flood of HD TV's it's a must) but either there is one that is capable of playbacking 720p content and for now only tegra has HDMI which is something that puts a smile on my face. With it it can become ultimate PMP.
Do you think qualcomm should add HD out to snapdragon or leave it these way and wait for newer processor from snapdragon family?
Please answer maybe they will read it and they will add it
sorry...i dont know what to answer....
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sorry...i dont know what to answer....
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then maybe you shouldn't have bothered posting.
I think they should wait on it for a newer processor.
Anybody could extract this camer from Experia for Raphael????!?! Both has same cmos cam....... Thank you VGA on 30fps is sweeet !
what are you asking for?
Perhaps the driver or something? Could the Touch Pro do VGA @ 30FPS?
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Perhaps the driver or something? Could the Touch Pro do VGA @ 30FPS?
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i think yes, because x1 has same cmos cam... as touch pro ! .) so we need hack x1 drivers ! .) pls do it someone
The hardware platform used in the XPERIA X1 is dependent on the region. The European / world variant - X1i - makes use of the Qualcomm MSM7200A chipset (made in 2007), while the American variant - X1a - will make use of the Qualcomm MSM7201A chipset (made in 2008). The MSM7201A chipset is theoretically speaking the successor of the MSM7200A chipset, although the differences are almost non-existent.
The reason for the different chipsets is said to be a Broadcom patent infringement by Qualcomm back in June 2007. The suit is said to have something to do with video compression in the MSM7200A chipsets. Because the lawsuit is about an American patent, the MSM7200A chipset is used in all non-American variants, and the newer MSM7201A chipset is only used in the American variants.
As you can probably imagine, the real difference in the chipsets is about video compression. The MSM7201A chipset limits video recordings to QVGA resolution (320 x 240 pixels) and up to 24 frames per second video, whereas the MSM7200A chipset supports VGA resolution (640 x 480 pixels) video recording at up to 30 frames per second.
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More information: http://blog.se-nse.net/reviews/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-review/ (a complete review)
Touch Pro has Qualcomm MSM7201A crapset, so I'm afraid we have to say bye bye VGA recording..
DSF said:
More information: http://blog.se-nse.net/reviews/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-review/ (a complete review)
Touch Pro has Qualcomm MSM7201A crapset, so I'm afraid we have to say bye bye VGA recording..
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The Xperia and the TouchPro have the same MSM7201A "crapset" Why would we hav to say bye bye to VGA recording?
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DSF said:
More information: http://blog.se-nse.net/reviews/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-review/ (a complete review)
Touch Pro has Qualcomm MSM7201A crapset, so I'm afraid we have to say bye bye VGA recording..
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hmmm, ok but for us is 24fps :x touch pro record 15/18fps
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The Xperia and the TouchPro have the same MSM7201A "crapset" Why would we hav to say bye bye to VGA recording?
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Did SE pay to get more features out of the Imageon?
I'm poking through the Xperia ROM right now, already posted some interesting programs from it in the raphael software forum. I'll look for this while i'm in there
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I'm poking through the Xperia ROM right now, already posted some interesting programs from it in the raphael software forum. I'll look for this while i'm in there
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Please do! I have a feeling that the xperia is making use of better developed drivers and basic software than its hardware twin touch pro.
Since youre already playing around with the x1, could u test something out for me? How is the video performance compared to the pro? How does the x1 perform in landscape compared to the pro? Any landscape tearing on the screen when panning really fast?
Afaik, the x1 uses almost the exact same hardware as the tp, but its supposedly can handle better video/camera performance. If this is true, an x1 touchpro hybrid rom would benefit the community.
Edit* Im sorry, you didnt say you had an x1, just the rom...
Wow VGA recording of 30fps at 480x640 would be amazing... is this possible?
i hoooope so
Da_G please keep us updated
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The Xperia and the TouchPro have the same MSM7201A "crapset" Why would we hav to say bye bye to VGA recording?
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Have you read the quote from my post?
The XPERIA USA version uses MSM7201A chipset and recording is limited to "QVGA resolution (320 x 240 pixels) and up to 24 frames per second video"
The XPERIA European version uses MSM7200A and recording is limited to "VGA resolution (640 x 480 pixels) at up to 30 frames per second".
MSM7200A != MSM7201A
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Please do! I have a feeling that the xperia is making use of better developed drivers and basic software than its hardware twin touch pro.
Since youre already playing around with the x1, could u test something out for me? How is the video performance compared to the pro? How does the x1 perform in landscape compared to the pro? Any landscape tearing on the screen when panning really fast?
Afaik, the x1 uses almost the exact same hardware as the tp, but its supposedly can handle better video/camera performance. If this is true, an x1 touchpro hybrid rom would benefit the community.
Edit* Im sorry, you didnt say you had an x1, just the rom...
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I can check this for you tommorow. A friend of mine has X1 and i have the tp.
Even if limitation is in varying chipset version, it might just be a register bit flip is all thats needed.. see here for more info on that http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=451646
Either way should know definitively the answer and why at some point soon
im so subscribing to this thread.
Got the Xperia camera running, crashes when you try to save an image (but the image does save to \My Documents\My Pictures\Camera\100XPRIA) and the interface doesn't work properly (seeing as its designed for 800x480)
I can prep a cab if anyone wants to mess with it.
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Got the Xperia camera running, crashes when you try to save an image (but the image does save to \My Documents\My Pictures\Camera\100XPRIA) and the interface doesn't work properly (seeing as its designed for 800x480)
I can prep a cab if anyone wants to mess with it.
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I'm interested in this.
Along with the cab could you post all the other files you gathered and put them in a zip?
Sure, here ya go.
http://rapidshare.com/files/168413167/Xperia-Camera.rar
Tried to upload it here but it wouldn't take it.. both the .cab and OEM are in there.
so what quality will it capture at?? im hoping someone can tweak it and make it work nice with the pro
hi everyone at these great XDA forums i have a quick question, what processor does the d2g have? ive seen several reports say that its a TI OMAP 3630 and other reports saying that its a 3640, and frankly i have no idea which it is.
On a similar note, whats the real difference between the 3630 and the 3040? ive read that the 3630 handles memory better than the 3640, i dont know if theres a way to tell, and i dont know if theres anything else that is different between the two processors.
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hi everyone at these great XDA forums i have a quick question, what processor does the d2g have? ive seen several reports say that its a TI OMAP 3630 and other reports saying that its a 3640, and frankly i have no idea which it is.
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TI OMAP3630-1200
from motodev website:http://developer.motorola.com/products/droid2global/
so whats the difference between the 3630 and 3640?
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so whats the difference between the 3630 and 3640?
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not sure exactly this is what the wiki has for them:
# OMAP3640 - 1 GHz ARM Cortex A8 + PowerVR SGX530 GPU + 430 MHz C64x+ DSP + ISP (Image Signal Processor)+IVA 2+ hardware accelerator
# OMAP3630 - 720 MHz ARM Cortex A8 + PowerVR SGX530 GPU + 430 MHz C64x+ DSP + ISP (Image Signal Processor)+IVA 2+ hardware accelerator
So it almost looks identical but the one used in the D2G is the 3630-1200 meaning it's stock clocked @ 1200Mhz (1.2Ghz) so I'm not sure what's ticking different on the inside.
thanks for the reply newk, i didnt think much was different
I was actually told the D2G has the same cpu as the DX and M2 and not the D2. The different actually being D2 doesn't have 720 video recording ability, unlike the DX and M2, which have it possibly because of the cpu.
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I was actually told the D2G has the same cpu as the DX and M2 and not the D2. The different actually being D2 doesn't have 720 video recording ability, unlike the DX and M2, which have it possibly because of the cpu.
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I can tell you the D2G does not have the ability to record in 720p or for now. We can only record in 420p.
I would love to see someone modify the video camera app to allow us to use 720p but I also think we may be limited by the camera sensor.
Milestone 2, which essentially is Droid 2 hardware wise with a GSM radio can do 720P. CPU is weaker than the one on D2G (3630-1000 on the MS2 vs 3630-1200 on the D2G). Camera sensor is the same on both. 5MP sensor is more than enough resolution wise not only for 720p but even for 1080p. I guess we will see some hacks in the future regarding 720p recording on D2G. Give it some time. I won't be surprised even if Motorola makes it official with some of the next updates. But, honestly, 720p video on most phones today sucks enough not to be worth it anyways. Doubt MS2 (eventually D2G) will be any better.
i believe its the camera sensor itself that doesnt support 720p, being the same sensor as in the droid og and all
With root or something?
Thanks!
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Unfortunately no, it's up to the processor
Unfortunately, there is no 4K video recording on the device. The max resolution for the Honor 8 is 1080P/60p. (NS)
i'm looking into this phone. would like to have 4k in my future phone. don't have a 4k capable monitor/tv and probably never will. even if this phone had 4k, or those that do have it like galaxy s8 and other expensive flagships, is it me or is 4k in phones overrated? i looked at s8 video and it doesn't seem like gopro or a dedicated compact cam quality. I don't know if it's me or phones have lower bitrate, worse or no stabilization or inferior something else. I don't even have 1080/60 in my phones. It would be cool to have 2k/60 but i dream. Trying to decide if i should keep using my new cheap but fast phone and get a premium 4k action cam or invest in a 4k phone.
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With root or something?
Thanks!
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simply, Not possible.
venugopalu007 said:
simply, Not possible.
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May be possible with root
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May be possible with root
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with out the SOC support how can we record ?
It is impossibe to make honor 8 shoot 4K, basically because the chipset (kirin 950) can't record video in that resolution
It's not possible to shoot 4k but if you can convert the video to 4k using 3rd party video editor in Honor 8.
The chip probably capable of doing so but somehow restricted for business reasons like how the 'flagship' p9 couldn't do the same but other android phones with less capable soc (sd625) could.
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The chip probably capable of doing so but somehow restricted for business reasons like how the 'flagship' p9 couldn't do the same but other android phones with less capable soc (sd625) could.
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Ho then there is a way or us we have to find
It is simply impossible, because kirin 950 isn't snapdragon 625, basically the kirin 950 doesn't support 4K video. Simple as that
But this is flag ship of honor 8 is last year flagship , if there is recording capable ,devs will updates us
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But this is flag ship of honor 8 is last year flagship , if there is recording capable ,devs will updates us
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The ISP in the Honor 8 can't record 4K video, simple as that. It's not an update thing, it's a hardware limitation.
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The ISP in the Honor 8 can't record 4K video, simple as that. It's not an update thing, it's a hardware limitation.
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Finally, I didn't how to say it.
Thanks a lot for clarifying
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The chip probably capable of doing so but somehow restricted for business reasons like how the 'flagship' p9 couldn't do the same but other android phones with less capable soc (sd625) could.
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Maybe the device is capable. Unfortunately I can never play any 4k videos in me device
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The ISP in the Honor 8 can't record 4K video, simple as that. It's not an update thing, it's a hardware limitation.
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Saeem said:
Maybe the device is capable. Unfortunately I can never play any 4k videos in me device
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It can't record 4K, look at fireyoshiqc explanation
Could you guys test this.
Download Open Camera, go to Settings and scroll all way down then enable camera2 api. Then open the video settings and check the video resolution options. On my phone there will be 2 additional resolutions higher than 1080p but only the top one managed to record video successfully. It's not 4k but higher than full HD though I'm not sure if it's actually recording in that resolution or simply a mistake in the camera app.
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Could you guys test this.
Download Open Camera, go to Settings and scroll all way down then enable camera2 api. Then open the video settings and check the video resolution options. On my phone there will be 2 additional resolutions higher than 1080p but only the top one managed to record video successfully. It's not 4k but higher than full HD though I'm not sure if it's actually recording in that resolution or simply a mistake in the camera app.
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Can you try recording in these resolutions?! Tell us if it works or not
Tried it. The resolution of the file is 4k alright but the quality is either worse or on par with the stock app on 1080p/60
And without stabilization on open camera it starts lagging after a few secs.
All on auto settings and stock rom.
Though the stock file was 4 times bigger than the opencamera one so tweaking the settings might help.
Then again afaik stock has the best quality anyway so no clue what 4k would add to that. Not quality though for sure
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Will we see motion interpolation on Android someday? Like Asus nexus player from 2014 have it or its to soon to ask yet?
Oneplus 7 pro 90hz screen is epic but without true Video player King like MX its not complete.
I too own a 7t pro. 90hz display. Want interpolation badly. Meanwhile, try mov. Currently only mpv supports it.
I'd posted this ~3-4 years back on the dev wishlist , never got a response
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Will we see motion interpolation on Android someday? Like Asus nexus player from 2014 have it or its to soon to ask yet?
Oneplus 7 pro 90hz screen is epic but without true Video player King like MX its not complete.
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I too own a 7t pro. 90hz display. Want interpolation badly. Meanwhile, try mov. Currently only mpv supports it.
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I'd posted this ~3-4 years back on the dev wishlist , never got a response
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We regret to inform you that motion interpolation is not in our priory list at the moment as it heavily relies on the SW technologies and may not be efficient on mobile devices. However, we will continue to monitor the user feedback and review our decision again if there are more requests on this.
Thank You.
It will be cool with the new ai chips and software in this regard.
Mediatek did it back in 2015 but it was a hardware level feature..
http://absoluteverdictas.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-to-enable-mediatek-clearmotion.html?m=1
Hope someday it becomes reality for all..(dozens of threads on xda in different sub forums + reddit too all asking for this in the past)
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Mediatek did it back in 2015 but it was a hardware level feature..
http://absoluteverdictas.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-to-enable-mediatek-clearmotion.html?m=1
Hope someday it becomes reality for all..(dozens of threads on xda in different sub forums + reddit too all asking for this in the past)
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Thanks for the information. We would like to clarify that this's something built into the device. As mentioned in the article, the system will automatically interpolate the frames at rendering time and will work with all apps, including MX. However, third-party apps have no controls over this.
Using SW based motion interpolation may fry your CPU when complex algorithms are used to interpolate the frames. Also, it can lead to stuttering instead of an improved video experience. So, there is very little we can improve this at the moment. However, we will continue to explore the possibilities and support it if it found viable in the future.
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I too own a 7t pro. 90hz display. Want interpolation badly. Meanwhile, try mov. Currently only mpv supports it.
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Thank you. Tried it and it looks like frame merging, madvr on PC can do it, honestly too blooming hard to watch. Also I cant change ratio of screen or audio track, unusable for me. But idea is nice.
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I'd posted this ~3-4 years back on the dev wishlist , never got a response
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Yeah but 4 years back I think we don’t have enough power right now HW is much stronger I can play 4K via CPU rawpower. We only need someone who can implement it via gpu like other dudes made it with PCs (mirilis splash player, dmitrirender, AMD fluid motion). Sadly not our dudes
Hope someone implement it they can bite a good chunk from a market no one have this feature. I will pay for it on both platforms Android and iOS.
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Yeah but 4 years back I think we don’t have enough power right now HW is much stronger I can play 4K via CPU rawpower.
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I think hardware acceleration support would be required for this feature as even powerful desktop cpus run hot as **** when using software interpolation & still give dropped frames in most cases.
Gpu assisted solutions like madvr help a lot but still make the gpu's run damn hot!
Mediatek users are lucky to have this because they have 60/120fps interpolation completely hardware accelerated
https://forum.xda-developers.com/re...d-enable-clearmotion-miui-based-roms-t3278552
Unless other companies offer such acceleration or development then I'd agree with Mx player's official reply - that it's near impossible to get this feature while keeping it consistent in performance for all.
(Or maybe some genius does come up with a novel motion estimation / motion compensation algorithm optimised for powerful soc's of today! :fingers-crossed:)
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I think hardware acceleration support would be required for this feature as even powerful desktop cpus run hot as **** when using software interpolation & still give dropped frames in most cases.
Gpu assisted solutions like madvr help a lot but still make the gpu's run damn hot!
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Madvr dont use any interpolation, its only doing frame merging. And nice tonemaping for HDR but honestly any pixel shader can do it with much less power consumption, try potplayer with hdr shader it will give almost the same result.
Dmitrirender only can use right now gpu accelerated frame interpolation, and damn, he can play movies so smooth without any lag at all and my cpu and gpu loading at only 25-30% with 4K HDR content. Have no idea how he achieved it 4 years ago while Nvidia represent same technology only half a year ago and only with RTX. Sadly he wont or cant port it to mobile gpu. So yeah we need a genius again.
Meditek did it.
Mediatek did it with clearmotion on redmi note 2.
Long time ago.
It was a great experience.
No overheating or framedrop.
Hope snapdragon adopt something like that to all future SOC.
SVP Team made it recently if someone interested in, its going closed test right now for Android devices. Working great with 865+ snapdragon it can do [email protected] but for 4K interpolation there are no cpu horsepower yet.
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I too own a 7t pro. 90hz display. Want interpolation badly. Meanwhile, try mov. Currently only mpv supports it.
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Its time to rejoice bro.
Ask about beta test on SVP developer forum, working great for 1080p as I can tell you. Or have a patience it will come soon.