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has any one read this and what are your thoughts on it. http://tiltmobility.com/htc-device-specs-leaked-out/
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TiltMobility said:
From one of our many resources hidden deep within the “bush” we bring to you a spreadsheet with some handy info on it… All the specs, names and chipsets of the upcoming HTC releases.
I am very curious about the Star and SuperStar… And I am VERY intrigued by the NVIDIA AP16 chipset.
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well i hope it comes with a keyboard hope just hope. most likely wont. what are your thoughts on this??? I was ready for a touch pro 2 now im not that sure any more.
Saw the same article over at PocketNow. Looks like we're finally getting some nVidia devices. Looks like I'm skipping most of the new phones this year to get that device.
do wish they at least get a leaked pic i wanna see it first 2 see if i should pass the pro 2 or not
Wow, that superstar w/ nVidia is very interesting news!
Wow!!
Interesting news!
Hope soon we can have a look to Superstar and Star
Thanks for sharing,
rip off. way to many phones with similar functions and programs. not forgetting similar issues which has to be solved by xda. but still i love it
That Star looks like the previously leaked Firestone.
Presumably the Star and SuperStar are related - I hope that the SuperStar isn't basically a Star with a keyboard...
Anyway, that's my phone shopping on hold until we find out more about the SuperStar.
The Thoth is 1ghz. The article/leak is from MobilityDigest which is affiliated with fuzemobility.com and tiltmobility.com - it was picked up by a bunch of other sites
aw man, the Nvidia device BETTER have FULL drivers for ALL of the S.O.C. or there'll be hell to pay
to make up for HTC's bull**** over the driver issue, they can make it an Android device to please me.
then i'll forget the whole HTC and Qualcomm in bed whoring incident.
when nvidia Goforce 5500 came build in to o2 xda flame/toshiba G900, everyone is so excited until everyone knows there isnt any supporting doc for developers for nvidia's chip, no one can use it except for nvidia
so what is so excited when they have another chipset but not open for developers?
even until now ppl in flame/toshiba forum are still trying to get this chipset work for some simple video playback on tcpmp
Tabbe said:
when nvidia Goforce 5500 came build in to o2 xda flame/toshiba G900, everyone is so excited until everyone knows there isnt any supporting doc for developers for nvidia's chip, no one can use it except for nvidia
so what is so excited when they have another chipset but not open for developers?
even until now ppl in flame/toshiba forum are still trying to get this chipset work for some simple video playback on tcpmp
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whilst there have been various devices with dedicated (extra) graphics chips like the goforce550 and gofroce6100, this nvidia chip is a SINGLE S.O.C. designed entirely by them based on an ARM CPU design.
there is a MUCH higher chance that nVidia provide documentation for their own SOC than compared to a secondary chip that goes into a device with a CPU they didn't design.
i'm hopeful anyway. if it's not going to be Snapgragon that provides the performance and features we want, it will be Nvidia, or samsung, or marvel......
someone will make what we enthusiasts want. and we will buy it
thinking positive is good
but they should still release doc on the secondary chip first as reputation for them is bad
base on brand is good & end consumers always think its better, but not for developers who have bad experiences when email to nvidia, they dont even bother to reply
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=374678
Tabbe said:
thinking positive is good
but they should still release doc on the secondary chip first as reputation for them is bad
base on brand is good & end consumers always think its better, but not for developers who have bad experiences when email to nvidia, they dont even bother to reply
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=374678
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whilst i do agree with that business practice, it seems most mobile makers are well aware of the fact that most people are dumb sheep and have short memories.
the people will by whatever the current media tells them to. look at iphone sales, in America Apple have an easier time to sell it to Americans because they are less knowledgeable about such things.
in Europe and Asia it isn't selling so well because the people there know more and don't fall for such hype. in Asia you can buy un unlocked iphone for 1/2 the price of a subsidized USA iphone.
enthusiasts like us are a very small minority so we will always get the best available for our needs. unfortunately i've been unable to find my needs, but that will change by the end of the year
Tabbe said:
when nvidia Goforce 5500 came build in to o2 xda flame/toshiba G900, everyone is so excited until everyone knows there isnt any supporting doc for developers for nvidia's chip, no one can use it except for nvidia
so what is so excited when they have another chipset but not open for developers?
even until now ppl in flame/toshiba forum are still trying to get this chipset work for some simple video playback on tcpmp
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So how about MSM 7200A? for GF5500 at least tcpmp has full hardware acceleration for MPEG SP/ AVC Baseline, but AFAIK there's ONLY overlay support for MSM 7200A right now.
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So how about MSM 7200A? for GF5500 at least tcpmp has full hardware acceleration for MPEG SP/ AVC Baseline, but AFAIK there's ONLY overlay support for MSM 7200A right now.
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with the devices that have the older goforce dedicated graphics silicone, the hardware is used for almost nothing. on the O2 Flame the camera uses it for photos(at least the viewfinder, probably not even for JPEG acceleration), but not video codec acceleration at all.
TCMP may use the goforce, thoughi never heard of it using the chip, just the MSM72xx's built-in graphics chip.
for all the goforce devices, the devices never used it. not even for more than a few games. the desktop/today screen, all of the 2D things you do with the devices like displaying menus,browser screens, scrolling.......never accelerated. ther CPU does all the work, taking more time (worse performance), and more battery (worse battery time)
a total waste of battery and chip.
this is why i believe there is a better chance of Nvidia's SOC having the full drivers to use the graphics part because it's an entirely owned SOC from one company, not an additional chip where they're not responsible for making sure the device performs.
Nvidia will have the the whole SOC to be accountable for and that means they are in a position where they are more expected to perform.
have a look at the videos where Nvidia shows off the Tegra series chip and think that they're showing a reference platform with one of their own designed interfaces for developers to use the code.
this is much more involved compared to Qualcomm and other chip makers that don't usually do anything except make the chips and provide a single reference driver. Nvidia is being very involved in the chip AND the software development.
their desktop graphics chips have very good software support for developers. think "the way it's meant to be played" campaign, CUDA,etc
Nvidia make chips, and make software to use them.
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...search_sort=relevance&search_category=0&page=
Tabbe said:
when nvidia Goforce 5500 came build in to o2 xda flame/toshiba G900, everyone is so excited until everyone knows there isnt any supporting doc for developers for nvidia's chip, no one can use it except for nvidia
so what is so excited when they have another chipset but not open for developers?
even until now ppl in flame/toshiba forum are still trying to get this chipset work for some simple video playback on tcpmp
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I have the same concerns.
so is this the chipset we should be excited about? i now see people complaining about this nvidia chipset because the cpu is weaker compared to other upcoming phones. is that even true? i've yet to see a single video of any other chipset thats half as impressive as nvidia's.
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so is this the chipset we should be excited about? i now see people complaining about this nvidia chipset because the cpu is weaker compared to other upcoming phones. is that even true? i've yet to see a single video of any other chipset thats half as impressive as nvidia's.
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it's possible (i'm thinking ~70%) that this is the chip as i believe it has the best chance of having full driver support from Nvidia.
even though by the time it comes out (later this year) it'll be almost a year late from it's announcement, it'll still be a contender.
the ARM11 CPU core will only have to do the normal CPU functions like in a desktop CPU, because the TEGRA has dedicated silicone for all the rest of the accelerated goodness that IS in Qualcomm MSM72xx chips, but sadly not used.
there are next gen chips from Qualcomm (snapdragon), TI (OMAP 3 & 4), Samsung,Marvel......
they all have good chips coming out, but it looks like Nvidia could have one of the best for a good few months.
the only other contender in the near future (for the rest of this year) is Snapdragon. that is a beast built on ARM's Cortex unit (like some of TI's & other chips coming later), and looks to be the only other chip to consider this year.
being Qualcomm, i'm not entirely hopeful they will change their behavior regarding driver support. their business model stinks and Nvidia have the upper hand with regard to providing hardware AND software support.
so for me, for this year, i like Snapdragon's hardware, but i love the idea of the Nvidia chip. it's the mos promising better balance.
let's hope it gets enough design wins and a few decent devices come out to show what Nvidia can do in this new market for them.
Nvidia showed what could be done with TEGRA running a netbook compared to Intel's Atom, it shamed it in the power efficiency stakes! if Nvidia can get some design wins, they may pull of their $99 netbook promise.
thanks p3ngwin, thats basically how i was feeling about tegra. i knew snapdragon was probably going to be the competition, but from what i was reading on other forums there was a lot of debate about which one was going to be better.
but from what i've seen from snapdragon compared to tegra, i don't know why anyone should be impressed with snapdragon.
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thanks p3ngwin, thats basically how i was feeling about tegra. i knew snapdragon was probably going to be the competition, but from what i was reading on other forums there was a lot of debate about which one was going to be better.
but from what i've seen from snapdragon compared to tegra, i don't know why anyone should be impressed with snapdragon.
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snapdragon is a very powerful SOC, there are even netbooks being made with it just like TEGRA.
it's just that having the chip is not enough, the software needs to take advantage of all that power and that's where the idea of Qualcomm's snapdragon instantly gives me a sour state in my mouth.
Nvidia are new to this SOC biz, and i'm willing to forgive them for the crap devices other manufacturers made with the goforce series. Nvidia can make the chips and provide software, but they aren't in a position to demand it's optimal use as much as say MS can with a whole OS.
qualcomm and HTC had a deal on a ****-load of volume MSM72xx chips and HTC made truck loads of devices based on them. Qualcomm had a lousy business ethic regarding cost of chips and supporting software, and HTC were ok with that.
here's hoping Nvida have a better way of doing business.
Hi all. Just finished ordering this tablet that is currently running cupcake. Would love to root it and install a custom ROM. Any info on how I can achieve this?
Thanks in advance
offtopic... does the apad run any good? is it smooth?
Why is it off topic. It is a tablet that runs android. Do not have it yet so can't comment on how good or bad it runs.
i was asking an off topic question (i.e. not related to your question). guess i phrased my sentence wrongly. do post here on how well this device seems to perform.
I will. Thanks for your intrest.
You should of waited for the Notion's ADAM
I only paid $100.00 US for my tablet. This one is considerably more.
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I only paid $100.00 US for my tablet. This one is considerably more.
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hey could you pm me the site where you purchased it from?
could you update your main post with the specs that you ordered from? Apparently there are Apad clones with crappy processors instead of the rockchip processors
Dealextreme has it for cheap
dealextreme is the crap version. the proper apad is the one with rockchip in it. and i found out that the cheapest apad with rockchip is ~150usd
i have one of those too.
with the rockchip which actually is not to bad of a processor. nowhere near the A4 but ok to work with.
it's an ARM derivative and consists of a cpu and dsp(gpu).
i would also like to know if anybody has played with it yet.
i followed the android instructions of building a development envirnment and have the tablet actually show up in eclipse but where to go from here?
sorry for threadjacking a bit
i would first of all like to be able to upgrade android. if possible 2.2 or at least to 1.6.
the device has the upgrade locked.
the are also language option conflicts were suggestive text and some keyboard keys still show up in (i guess) Chinese.
It'll most likely be impossible to upgrade the apad to 2.1/2.2 as rockchip dsp isn't actually a gpu, its a video processor for videos only.
on another note i have decided to pass up on the apad as it doesn't seem that "future-proof" most likely will get this http://www.wiipad.us/product.php?id_product=11 unless better options come out in the next 1 month or so
does android 2.x require a specialized dedicated gpu?
the dsp is essentially a gpu, it is capable of playing 720p video.
it should be plenty for android 2.x to get around
so i can move files from the device to the pc.
i copied the data and system folder.
what to do now?
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It'll most likely be impossible to upgrade the apad to 2.1/2.2 as rockchip dsp isn't actually a gpu, its a video processor for videos only.
on another note i have decided to pass up on the apad as it doesn't seem that "future-proof" most likely will get this http://www.wiipad.us/product.php?id_product=11 unless better options come out in the next 1 month or so
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The wiipad seems to be a very nice tablet. But till they receive a proper review, for the money, I'll stick to my Apad.
manfly9884 said:
The wiipad seems to be a very nice tablet. But till they receive a proper review, for the money, I'll stick to my Apad.
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i like the look of the notion ink adam, i mean dual core processor
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does android 2.x require a specialized dedicated gpu?
the dsp is essentially a gpu, it is capable of playing 720p video.
it should be plenty for android 2.x to get around
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Yeah but it decodes videos only, a gpu actually pumps out the graphics which is an intergral part of 2.1 onwards (also in the rockchip's specs i saw somewhere this chip does not support 2.1) The wiipad neno has a cortex a8 core which is similar to the ipad's processor so it is running on 2.1.
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i like the look of the notion ink adam, i mean dual core processor
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yeah notion ink is awesome but it's been delayed so long that it is not worth much with the impending competition. (unless they make it unbelievably cheaper)
ok i see
any hope for 1.6 at least? maybe 2.0?
yeah notion ink is awesome but it's been delayed so long that it is not worth much with the impending competition. (unless they make it unbelievably cheaper)
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But I just read on engadget its still expected in q3 and that's about the time I'm gonna be looking to buy one it could be perfect.
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ive been digging around at Apads for weeks.. and i havent really found one i was impressed with.. i thought about going with just something to play with a lil bit and get the EKEN m001 or w.e modle it is.. but i just couldnt get it at a price id be willing to shell out and be ok with.. but this wiipad.. with android 2.1 deff has my attention especially wit a 1ghz processor.. and with it having a 16gig nand flash at a price of 267.19 i will shell out the money.. cuz thats exactly what i want.. but i to will wait for more reviews on the product.. but please post what you think about the one you orderd OP cuz i am intrested in that one as well.. and can you PM me the site you got it from for 100$?? please and thank you.. and im very happy to see these Apads (android tablets) showing up in the forum!! i cant wait for a few devs to jump on board imagine the roms and custom stuff i feel like a kid ina candy store already
(at least for now anyway)
still love my captivate but this could be a major issue for some customers in determining what phone they use.
The article says android users with snapdragon 1ghz or faster processor will be able to stream netflix. No mention of hummingbird...which at least for now will mean no netflix streaming. The galaxy s 2 is using an orion processor so it looks like it will be waiting as well.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...streaming.html
I don't see how they would keep the community from just pulling the APK and installing it to other devices. How would they make the app itself discriminate based on your CPU? Is there an API for that? You can't reasonably write a Windows or Linux binary that will only run on Intel CPUs, for example.
Well i dont think it wont work with processors other than snapdragon, I mean, probably the may be refering to the speed of the processor itself
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Well i dont think it wont work with processors other than snapdragon, I mean, probably the may be refering to the speed of the processor itself
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Exactly what I was thinking.
Snapdragon 1GHZ = Hummingbird 1GHZ
Clockspeed doesn't differ simply based on a name or manufacturer.
fraztto said:
Well i dont think it wont work with processors other than snapdragon, I mean, probably the may be refering to the speed of the processor itself
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Agreed. Qualcomm made this announcement, so obviously they are going to mention *their* processor and not a competitor's. Although it doesn't explicitly outline it in the article, it is clear that Android is getting a Netflix app and if your device is powerful enough to run it then you can use it. Qualcomm is working with Netflix to bring this to Android.
Unless I read otherwise, I'm going to assume that ALL Android devices are getting Netflix and they aren't going to go out of their way to exclude devices that do not have Qualcomm chips.
Bad link. This one should work: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-14/netflix-shares-jump-on-news-of-android-streaming.html
I would like to encourage OP to A) post in the right forum (props for catching it, though), B) post links that work, and C) don't write sensationalist titles with no explicit bearing of truth to them.
Sorry OP, but this kind of gets under my skin.
The OP is probably correct. The Snapdragon processor has "media protection features" aka DRM that Netflix is taking advantage of. The Hummingbird part may or may not have similar DRM mechanisms that may or may not be software compatible with the Snapdragon solution.
If the Netflix APK depends on a hardware feature that's not present, then it obviously would not work on all phones. This is going to be very confusing for end users.
The press release refers to the "media protection features".
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/02/14/netflix-on-android-confirmed-for-snapdragon-phones-first/
If that is truly the case, I'm sure one of the genius Devs here will find a way to bypass or emulate the protection scheme.
The article says Snapdragons will get it first, not exclusively.
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If that is truly the case, I'm sure one of the genius Devs here will find a way to bypass or emulate the protection scheme.
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If the DRM can be bypassed or emulated, that means no one will get any Netflix in the end. That's why iOS and even the new WP7 have Netflix already and Android doesn't.
I dont think they can keep it from everybody either. This is the ONLY thing i miss from my iphlone
I assume the Qualcom chips come with DRM built into the processor similar to hardware accelerated graphics. If that's the case it should be possible to write an application that will only work on that processor. This I'd especially true if they don't publicly release the drm spec so it can be replicated in software. Even if they did that the processing visa software would be slower and prone to more problems.
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I havent seen anything that can bypass drm at all
I don't think the processor will actually enable or disable by brand in think it just won't work on slower processors and snapdragon is the houshold name of fast processors
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If the DRM can be bypassed or emulated, that means no one will get any Netflix in the end. That's why iOS and even the new WP7 have Netflix already and Android doesn't.
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I doubt it. We're in the minority - the vast majority of users don't want to modify their phones and probably wouldn't be bothered with trying to find a way to get netflix to work on their hardware incompatible devices. If someone does manage to find a way to emulate the drm hardware, or NOP out the bits in software that deal with it or something to get the software to run, I doubt netflix would really care as long as you're still paying for the content.
I don't see the problem. You have to have a Netflix account to access the streaming content, so all they have to do is prevent the device from being able to record it. They already do that now on my Western Digital Live Hub.
Netflix has to show its content providers that the streamed content will not be compromised. Otherwise, content providers will not allow Netflix to stream the content at all. DRM is a necessary evil to live with in this case.
Netflix already publically said that they will selectively release player for certain Android phones, not all. That means Android phones with hardware DRM protection. They are not happy with the general DRM support in Android OS (or the total lack there of).
It is not about processor speed. If iOS can have it and WP7 can have it, processor speed is not the issue.
If Netflix see any sign of its DRM being compromised, it will simply ban all the Android phones or re-write the player. It is one battle you don't want to engage in. Nothing good come out it.
I believe a few content provider already pull its content out of Netflix streaming due to this concern. If any Netflix players prove to be unsafe, more will do so. Soon we will end up with a Netflix player with nothing to watch.
The write mentions snapdragon because thats all his limited intellect on the subject knows about. Hummingbird or any other 1GHZ PLUS cpu will work.
How does Blockbuster do it?
All I hear is how Netflix needs to have such and such for DMR. What I don't get, how is Blockbuster streaming content with Android devices? Verizon version of the Galaxy S includes Blockbuster.
I am really enjoying my Captivate and Android, but not having Netflix, Zumocast or airVideo has been a big disappointment for me. I wish I did a littel more research as i still can't beleive that Android base devices really don't have a true video streaming apps.
From what I gather, BB is not the same streaming as Netflix. It is basically a on-demand download. You need download to the phone before you watch. The content will auto-expire after certain priod.
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The write mentions snapdragon because thats all his limited intellect on the subject knows about. Hummingbird or any other 1GHZ PLUS cpu will work.
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Technically i don't think your assertion is correct.
I have read multiple articles on this and stating snapdragon processors "First" or "only" at this time is the line in all of them (and further specificy that Android 3.0 adds a pluggable DRM framework to OS). Some speculate that they will continue to work on ways to provide the app to smartphones who have processors that don't have the built in security like the snapdragon while you could just as easily suggest that the way they will do this is via OS updates and assume anyone that netflix matters to will just get a phone with a future android OS that have the drm framework already incorporated. (Before you say 3.0 is for tablets there is plenty of info suggesting that it will reach the smartphone level & if it doesn't future versions of the smartphone os like the rumored ice cream could bring similar security features).
All that aside i wouldn't put anything past the abilities of the talented developers here so even if that official app won't play nice with our hummingbird i wouldn't be surprised by a some kind of unofficial tweak that allows us to still get netflix streaming content.
There is even some speculation that some of the older phones using 1st gen snapdragon's that do not have the secureMSM may not be able to utilize the official app.
However Peters already admitted in his blog post that some Android handsets will never see the Netflix service. "This clearly is not the preferred solution, and we regret the confusion it might create for consumers," he said. "However, we believe that providing the service for some Android device owners is better than denying it to everyone."
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http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Snapdragon-Netflix-video-streaming-greg-peters-Qualcomm,news-9893.html
I saw Skype updated to 2.1 today. My G2x is getting repaired so I can't try it, but has anyone been able to confirm if video works on this version?
No, It doesn't work. They have made it work with the Sensation and other phones release way after our G2X and the G2X is still not supported. What the hell? I am pissed as hell, I want to use it tooo...
That's really annoying. Skype is really the only reason I care about having a front-facing camera.
I know, Right?! Me too!
Pecata said:
No, It doesn't work. They have made it work with the Sensation and other phones release way after our G2X and the G2X is still not supported. What the hell? I am pissed as hell, I want to use it tooo...
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I've read several articles that says it has unofficial support for other devices, but I'm not seeing that option.
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I've read several articles that says it has unofficial support for other devices, but I'm not seeing that option.
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I've tried all the unofficial builds and none of them work with the G2X. Can someone make it work please! I really need video call on my phone....
Would editing the build.prop help? How else would Skype know?
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Would editing the build.prop help? How else would Skype know?
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No idea, I hope someone can make it work on our phones as well. It seems only the Tegra 2 phones aren't working with it...don't know why
Pecata said:
No, It doesn't work. They have made it work with the Sensation and other phones release way after our G2X and the G2X is still not supported. What the hell? I am pissed as hell, I want to use it tooo...
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It's making me extremely mad. What video chat for phone-to-desktop actually works with this thing??? And now that Skype claims this will work on all 2.2+ devices, why is it not working on my 2.3.5 gb g2x?? Is it because the Tegra 2 doesn't have Neon support? Well neither does the Sensation's snapdragon... and that's officially supported. Come on, skype...
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It's making me extremely mad. What video chat for phone-to-desktop actually works with this thing??? And now that Skype claims this will work on all 2.2+ devices, why is it not working on my 2.3.5 gb g2x?? Is it because the Tegra 2 doesn't have Neon support? Well neither does the Sensation's hummingbird... and that's officially supported. Come on, skype...
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I am using oovoo currently since there is nothing else that works for video chat from phone to desktop.
I am so mad at skype as well. I don't know what the big deal is.
Pecata said:
I am using oovoo currently since there is nothing else that works for video chat from phone to desktop.
I am so mad at skype as well. I don't know what the big deal is.
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I tried Oovoo a short while ago, and had trouble with sideways video or sometimes no video at all. Guess I'll be trying again. And Skype should at the very least quit advertising that this works on practically all froyo+ devices... They need G2x support, and they need it soon. Taking their time has already earned them the low rating they have (or had before this release, fixing for many people) in the market.
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It's making me extremely mad. What video chat for phone-to-desktop actually works with this thing??? And now that Skype claims this will work on all 2.2+ devices, why is it not working on my 2.3.5 gb g2x?? Is it because the Tegra 2 doesn't have Neon support? Well neither does the Sensation's hummingbird... and that's officially supported. Come on, skype...
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The sensation's hummingbird does actually have Neon. Google sensation, hummingbird, neon, and you should see it. I always worry about posting links to outside of the forum, but it's easy to see.
They do claim it'll only work on 2.2+ devices with neon capabilities... I'm no electrical engineer or dev so I have no idea why both gtalk video and skype need it but they do.
Sadly it means it's not as easy as a build.prop fix. One day... or I'll just get a phone with tegra 3 when that comes along which has neon support haha.
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The sensation's hummingbird does actually have Neon. Google sensation, hummingbird, neon, and you should see it. I always worry about posting links to outside of the forum, but it's easy to see.
They do claim it'll only work on 2.2+ devices with neon capabilities... I'm no electrical engineer or dev so I have no idea why both gtalk video and skype need it but they do.
Sadly it means it's not as easy as a build.prop fix. One day... or I'll just get a phone with tegra 3 when that comes along which has neon support haha.
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Hmm, interesting. I remember reading somewhere on XDA that "Our friends over at the Sensation board are out of luck as well as the Snapdragon doesn't have NEON either."
Oops, sorry, I meant Snapdragon. Haha XD
I wonder if that guy is still right, though. If he is wrong, that explains why Sensation is officially supported while non-NEON t2 is not. But... If he's right, there is no reason why Skype doesn't support t2 and in that case a build.prop change or decompile and removal of the apk's device checks would work.
Got some looking up to do...
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I'm no electrical engineer or dev so I have no idea why both gtalk video and skype need it but they do.
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This may not be correct either, but I think it might be for hardware acceleration/an easier video processing library. I gotta look into that too.
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It's making me extremely mad. What video chat for phone-to-desktop actually works with this thing??? And now that Skype claims this will work on all 2.2+ devices, why is it not working on my 2.3.5 gb g2x?? Is it because the Tegra 2 doesn't have Neon support? Well neither does the Sensation's hummingbird... and that's officially supported. Come on, skype...
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The Sensation has a Qualcomm Snapdragon Processor, not a Hummingbird.
FatalityBoyZahy said:
The Sensation has a Qualcomm Snapdragon Processor, not a Hummingbird.
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Yep, I corrected myself in my response to Danishswag when I went to look up the quote. Thanks! Now to confirm that Snapdragon doesn't have NEON...?
nucleartoasteroven said:
Yep, I corrected myself in my response to Danishswag when I went to look up the quote. Thanks! Now to confirm that Snapdragon doesn't have NEON...?
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I'm pretty sure Snapdragon doesn't have NEON. Qualcomm licensed the ARMv7 ISA only and not the Cortex-A8 or A9 designs(The Cortex-A8 introduced the NEON core FPU but you seem to know this). The ARMv7 ISA only mandates Thumb and such.
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This may not be correct either, but I think it might be for hardware acceleration/an easier video processing library. I gotta look into that too.
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From personal experience of doing video encode from an Android device;FFmpeg, the open source library for video encode/decode is preferred on Android and is very optimized for NEON(TI is one of the main contributors for FFmpeg for ARM and all TI OMAP3 and OMAP4 designs have NEON). I'm guessing the video APIs for Android use FFmpeg so Gtalk and Skype would be reliant on these libraries.
However the Atrix got Gtalk so there probably is some workaround for this...
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bakedpatato said:
I'm pretty sure Snapdragon doesn't have NEON. Qualcomm licensed the ARMv7 ISA only and not the Cortex-A8 or A9 designs(The Cortex-A8 introduced the NEON core FPU but you seem to know this). The ARMv7 ISA only mandates Thumb and such.
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Ahh, OK, thanks for the clarification. So Skype has adapted an official certified version for non-NEON processors, meaning there shouldn't be much reason why they still aren't supporting Tegra 2.
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From personal experience of doing video encode from an Android device;FFmpeg, the open source library for video encode/decode is preferred on Android and is very optimized for NEON(TI is one of the main contributors for FFmpeg for ARM and all TI OMAP3 and OMAP4 designs have NEON). I'm guessing the video APIs for Android use FFmpeg so Gtalk and Skype would be reliant on these libraries.
However the Atrix got Gtalk so there probably is some workaround for this...
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That is correct, both apps rely on NEON and that's why previous ports failed. Atrix (T2) did get gtalk, so there is a new attempt underway. Have a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1184999
There hasn't been too much progress (at least publicly displayed) or as much as the LG cam port attempt, but it's promising. And now that a version of Skype is availible for a non-neon processor, I'm guessing our wonderful devs will soon attempt to use the new libraries to make a working port. Let's hope for the best
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I tried this, without much luck... I haven't gotten it to make a video call without force closing yet.
For the record, anyone, I'm running my G2x with CM7 nightly 94. I will be updating to 97 tomorrow; maybe, just maybe, that will change the results with programs I'm describing here, such as oovoo and vtok not working. If it does, I will repost.
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Ahh, OK, thanks for the clarification. So Skype has adapted an official certified version for non-NEON processors, meaning there shouldn't be much reason why they still aren't supporting Tegra 2.
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We don't have source so we don't know how they did it...
nucleartoasteroven said:
That is correct, both apps rely on NEON and that's why previous ports failed. Atrix (T2) did get gtalk, so there is a new attempt underway. Have a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1184999
There hasn't been too much progress (at least publicly displayed) or as much as the LG cam port attempt, but it's promising. And now that a version of Skype is availible for a non-neon processor, I'm guessing our wonderful devs will soon attempt to use the new libraries to make a working port. Let's hope for the best
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Yeah I would rather see working gchat than LG cam but I'm happy to help out anywhere.
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I tried this, without much luck... I haven't gotten it to make a video call without force closing yet.
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Fuuuuuu....
nucleartoasteroven said:
For the record, anyone, I'm running my G2x with CM7 nightly 94. I will be updating to 97 tomorrow; maybe, just maybe, that will change the results with programs I'm describing here, such as oovoo and vtok not working. If it does, I will repost.
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CM 97 has some FFC/cam fixes(looked at changelog) so it might.
That's some BS. The G2X has been out 2 months longer then the Sensation! -__-
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It looks like bunch of devices are getting cm 11 now in nightlies, I figure porting one of them to our devices will only be a matter of time.Official CyanogenMod site http://download.cyanogenmod.org/?type=nightly and xda news link http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...-many-devices-4-4-1-based-builds-by-tomorrow/
new Aosp code commits
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/browse-every-new-aosp-code-commit-in-android-4-4-1/
Dice1212 said:
It looks like bunch of devices are getting cm 11 now in nightlies, I figure porting one of them to our devices will only be a matter of time.Official CyanogenMod site http://download.cyanogenmod.org/?type=nightly and xda news link http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...-many-devices-4-4-1-based-builds-by-tomorrow/
new Aosp code commits
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/browse-every-new-aosp-code-commit-in-android-4-4-1/
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TeamCanjica is on it... Just wait.
Samsung Galaxy S get official cm11.Why not us too?
Because our device is not popular.
Nice
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Force said:
Samsung Galaxy S get official cm11.Why not us too?
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You are long enough on this forum to know that I9000 has LOT more users and devs then our phone.
so when I read titles and delivery and stumble upon things like .... I feel like I would have thrown in an empty pool haha
pray: janice team is working on this. only there to wait
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You are long enough on this forum to know that I9000 has LOT more users and devs then our phone.
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I didnt knew that I9000 has more developers,also i didnt knew that our phone is not so popular,my mistake
Force said:
I didnt knew that I9000 has more developers,also i didnt knew that is our phone is not so popular,my mistake
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For comparison, we have about 110 threads in both developer sections. And I9000 has 1,832 threads in developer section.
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For comparison, we have about 110 threads in both developer sections. And I9000 has 1,832 threads in developer section.
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I hope more developers come here to develop and help our device.Team Canjica is best team in this forum which help our phone.
Off topic: Phone is made for chat:calls and messages and some games.But producters release phones with display over 5",with quadcore processors or octa core.Phone are gonna to have processor with over 8 cores and nvidia geforce at video and we will play gta 5 lol. Is called PHONE not COMPUTER. Smartphone should have a processor with 1.8 GHz max and Mali400, Mali 400MP or Adreno 305 maxim at graphic and display between 4" and 5" maxim. A smartphone should be SMART.Having big display,processors not make a phone smart. Producers must stop making smartphones with big displays and processors because make nonsense (also making phone with flexible or curved display make nonsense). Features like answer calls by saying "Answer" or by waving hand etc. ,these make a phone smart. I always was thinking to buy new smartphones (which are also popular) which have big display and big processors,make nonsense.I was thinking to buy nexus 4,but for what? Just a more big display and processor? I will be able just to play more new games without lag,but computer is for games not phone.In this moment,Tasked app can make a smartphone really smart.Thanks to the guy which made this awesome app.
So,I never sell my Galaxy S Advance for other phones until he die And maybe after he die I buy another galaxy s advance I love my phone and I'm satisfied with it.You made me to say my opinion about smartphones
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For comparison, we have about 110 threads in both developer sections. And I9000 has 1,832 threads in developer section.
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I hope more developers come here to develop and help our device.Team Canjica is best team in this forum which help our phone.
Off topic: Phone is made for chat:calls and messages and some games.But producters release phones with display over 5",with quadcore processors or octa core.Phone are gonna to have processor with over 8 cores and nvidia geforce at video and we will play gta 5 lol. Is called PHONE not COMPUTER. Smartphone should have a processor with 1.8 GHz max and Mali400, Mali 400MP or Adreno 305 maxim at graphic and display between 4" and 5" maxim. A smartphone should be SMART.Having big display,processors not make a phone smart. Producers must stop making smartphones with big displays and processors because make nonsense (also making phone with flexible or curved display make nonsense). Features like answer calls by saying "Answer" or by waving hand etc. ,these make a phone smart. I always was thinking to buy new smartphones (which are also popular) which have big display and big processors,make nonsense.I was thinking to buy nexus 4,but for what? Just a more big display and processor? I will be able just to play more new games without lag,but computer is for games not phone.In this moment,Tasked app can make a smartphone really smart.Thanks to the guy which made this awesome app.
So,I never sell my Galaxy S Advance for other phones until he die And maybe after he die I buy another galaxy s advance I love my phone and I'm satisfied with it.You made me to say my opinion about smartphones [/QUOTE]
Good words man, i think that a 5" display is reallyannoying to use because u can't bring with you freely cuz he's really too big! The new 8core are really useless, some galaxy s4 are getting some lags in touchwiz, our telephone not!
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I hope more developers come here to develop and help our device.Team Canjica is best team in this forum which help our phone.
Off topic: Phone is made for chat:calls and messages and some games.But producters release phones with display over 5",with quadcore processors or octa core.Phone are gonna to have processor with over 8 cores and nvidia geforce at video and we will play gta 5 lol. Is called PHONE not COMPUTER. Smartphone should have a processor with 1.8 GHz max and Mali400, Mali 400MP or Adreno 305 maxim at graphic and display between 4" and 5" maxim. A smartphone should be SMART.Having big display,processors not make a phone smart. Producers must stop making smartphones with big displays and processors because make nonsense (also making phone with flexible or curved display make nonsense). Features like answer calls by saying "Answer" or by waving hand etc. ,these make a phone smart. I always was thinking to buy new smartphones (which are also popular) which have big display and big processors,make nonsense.I was thinking to buy nexus 4,but for what? Just a more big display and processor? I will be able just to play more new games without lag,but computer is for games not phone.In this moment,Tasked app can make a smartphone really smart.Thanks to the guy which made this awesome app.
So,I never sell my Galaxy S Advance for other phones until he die And maybe after he die I buy another galaxy s advance I love my phone and I'm satisfied with it.You made me to say my opinion about smartphones
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Paragraph 1: Our phone is being discontinued already, slowly but it's happening. Thankfully, Team Canjica helps us to take way more advantage of this 768Mb of RAM and 1GHz out of this comfortable 4" screen.
Paragraph 2: You're right but most of the flagships have software features that make them "smart" in a certain way. GS4 has features like Smart Stay and Air Gestures that make it way more useful than generic phones with more specs that just improve perfomance a bit more than needed without any other useful purpose, Moto X goes maybe for busy people that don't have the time to execute those time-consuming tasks that thankfully are shorten considerably depending on those features. Xperia Z1 goes for picture quality and a tad more for sound quality as the HTC One. It mostly depends of each phone. Not every phablet is useless. And about specs increase over time, it's just tech "evolving".
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Paragraph 1: Our phone is being Taskedtinued already, slowly but it's happening. Thankfully, Team Canjica helps us to take way more advantage of this 768Mb of RAM and 1GHz out of this comfortable 4" screen.
Paragraph 2: You're right but most of the flagships have software features that make them "smart" in a certain way. GS4 has features like Smart Stay and Air Gestures that make it way more useful than generic phones with more specs that just improve perfomance a bit more than needed without any other useful purpose, Moto X goes maybe for busy people that don't have the time to execute those time-consuming tasks that thankfully are shorten considerably depending on those features. Xperia Z1 goes for picture quality and a tad more for sound quality as the HTC One. It mostly depends of each phone. Not every phablet is useless. And about specs increase over time, it's just tech "evolving".
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Features like Smart Alert,Air gestures can be done with Tasker...Now I stop to talk about these because thread is about cm