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Camera : 12 or 20mb ?

Hi
How have you set your camera ? 12 or 20mb ?
Thx

20mp

12MP RGB
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You can select 20 megapixel as the resolution for the rear cameras to shoot, it combines data from both cameras so you can shoot in color too at 20 MP. This can be changed however you like in the camera settings.
I know I searched the internet for this before I bought one because I wanted to be sure. Haha.

In low light better to use 12,cause at 20 mp the image get little bit blurry when mixing 2 images at low shutter speed.
Outdoor u wont be worry to use 20 all the time.
They set the default mp at 12 for a reason

jeradjohnso said:
You can select 20 megapixel as the resolution for the rear cameras to shoot, it combines data from both cameras so you can shoot in color too at 20 MP. This can be changed however you like in the camera settings.
I know I searched the internet for this before I bought one because I wanted to be sure. Haha.
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I know, but if you use 20MP, you can not zoom.

jeradjohnso said:
You can select 20 megapixel as the resolution for the rear cameras to shoot, it combines data from both cameras so you can shoot in color too at 20 MP. This can be changed however you like in the camera settings.
I know I searched the internet for this before I bought one because I wanted to be sure. Haha.
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A 12 mp sensor cannot shoot 20 mp images, that's impossible. The camera software can boost it to 20 mp though using info from the 20mp monochromatic sensor. Which gives a decent result I have to say!

I am no camera wiz, just a point to and shoot guy. Nor am I a photo conesour in terms of evaluating a good vs great photo. But, I can tell when a photo stinks. Mostly, I just want to set it and forget it and have the best all around chance at good, clear pics.
All that said, I set to 12 and 20 MP and damned if I can see a difference. And it is a very challenging light situation where I just tested (both, IMHO, show off the great camera in this phone). I am outside on patio near midnight, with only light being from a string of Christmas lights in background d an little ambient light from room inside and courtyard beyond the patio. Hard to tell any difference in these two pics. First is the 12 and second is the 20 .. HDR on for both, no zoom.
So what are the situations one would expect 12 to have advantage, same for 20, same for HDR verse flash?
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At any rate, contrary to some of the reviews, I think the camera a great with good lightning conditions and pretty good in darker conditions.

blackspp said:
At any rate, contrary to some of the reviews, I think the camera a great with good lightning conditions and pretty good in darker conditions.
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A lot of the early reviews were with the pre-release software although some have updated their reviews to reflect that.
I still hear that the camera has trouble with movement in low-light photos causing blurriness. Can anyone confirm that?

I am a photographer and I'm very impressed with my mate 9 camera.
I have used lot of phones but this one is the best by far.
If ur not happy with the auto mode just put it to pro mode and enjoy.

gm007 said:
I am a photographer and I'm very impressed with my mate 9 camera.
I have used lot of phones but this one is the best by far.
If ur not happy with the auto mode just put it to pro mode and enjoy.
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Indeed, mine is glued in that mode. Works wonders if you use it properly. Really great!

blackspp said:
A 12 mp sensor cannot shoot 20 mp images, that's impossible.
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Sure it can, it happens all the time. Let's say this were a conventional 12MP single sensor camera. Would you then be OK saying it can shoot 12MP images? Assuming it had a typical Bayer array color filter, that 12MP sensor really only has 6MP for green, 3MP for blue, and 3MP for red. It does not have 12m full color pixels. Yet that's what comes out of the camera, via interpolation. At least with the Mate 9, it can produce 20 MP of luminance data without interpolation. It's just the chroma data that is at a lower resolution and requires interpolation. But encoding images and videos with lower chroma resolution than luminance is extremely common, because our eyes have much less color resolving capability vs. b&w. See Chroma Subsampling.

dscline said:
Sure it can, it happens all the time. Let's say this were a conventional 12MP single sensor camera. Would you then be OK saying it can shoot 12MP images? Assuming it had a typical Bayer array color filter, that 12MP sensor really only has 6MP for green, 3MP for blue, and 3MP for red. It does not have 12m full color pixels. Yet that's what comes out of the camera, via interpolation. At least with the Mate 9, it can produce 20 MP of luminance data without interpolation. It's just the chroma data that is at a lower resolution and requires interpolation. But encoding images and videos with lower chroma resolution than luminance is extremely common, because our eyes have much less color resolving capability vs. b&w. See Chroma Subsampling.
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Sure, that's basically what I said. This sensor is 12mp (rgb sensor can be boosted to 20mp through interpolation, using the info (captured data) from the 20mp monochromatic sensor. Great results.

blackspp said:
Indeed, mine is glued in that mode. Works wonders if you use it properly. Really great!
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The photos are fantastic! To the best of your recollection, would you please share the settings you used in each one. Thanks!

Thats rather hard, I use pro mode and just fool around with aperature, speed and the rest until I'm happy. In auto mode I always point the camera around the subject until I like the lighting and than touch the screen on the point where I want to focus. That's it basically...

Those pic's look professional! Kudos

galaxys said:
Those pic's look professional! Kudos
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Of course they are. He's using pro mode!

mscion said:
Of course they are. He's using pro mode!
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Hahaha, yes I do. colleague of mine has this super Canon Mark III cam and he's totally not amused when I share some weekend pics on our whatsapp group. LOL

Camera is buggy - Too much Noise ( High ISO - 2000-3000 )

Hello,
So I received my all new HTC U11 3 days back ( in India) officially. HTC u11 has world's best rated camera but I am not quite satisfied with the results.
1.) Rear camera is really struggling to capture the photos in low light. I can clearly see the noise.
2.) Front facing camera has no OIS so pictures are blurry and most of the times I noisy photos.
Find the attachments below :
1.) Front facing camera
2 ) rear facing camera
See the noise and level of quality.

hm.. photo #1 has the plant completely out of focus. photo #2 has the pot in focus. you may wanna make sure that the subject is in focus before snapping.
did you change the camera settings to "Touch autoexposure"? The default mode of the camera is "Center-weighted"

Conan1986 said:
hm.. photo #1 has the plant completely out of focus. photo #2 has the pot in focus. you may wanna make sure that the subject is in focus before snapping.
did you change the camera settings to "Touch autoexposure"? The default mode of the camera is "Center-weighted"
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Thank you for replying. Let me make the things clear.
The first photo was taken from the selfie camera where I tried to focus on the plant/pot everywhere but it was not focusing anyhow. No matter what it wasn't focusing.
In low light, I can clearly see the noise in the all corners.

The selfie camera doesn't have auto focus everything is in focus ( as long as it is at least 18 inches away). Play around with the settings for the rear camera. HDR auto, HDR, so far all my photos are excellent focal point and background.

Conan1986 said:
hm.. photo #1 has the plant completely out of focus. photo #2 has the pot in focus. you may wanna make sure that the subject is in focus before snapping.
did you change the camera settings to "Touch autoexposure"? The default mode of the camera is "Center-weighted"
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schmeggy929 said:
The selfie camera doesn't have auto focus everything is in focus ( as long as it is at least 18 inches away). Play around with the settings for the rear camera. HDR auto, HDR, so far all my photos are excellent focal point and background.
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Well I have attached a sample selfie shot. Please check and tell me.

[email protected] said:
Well I have attached a sample selfie shot. Please check and tell me.
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Like I said you are too close using the selfie cam, it is meant too be an arm's long away to have everything in focus.

schmeggy929 said:
Like I said you are too close using the selfie cam, it is meant too be an arm's long away to have everything in focus.
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Sir I am not complaining about the focus and all... See the noise... Can't you see the noise in the picture?
Even zoom your spiderman... You will notice the same noise.

[email protected] said:
Sir I am not complaining about the focus and all... See the noise... Can't you see the noise in the picture?
Even zoom your spiderman... You will notice the same noise.[/Q
Adjust the iso manually
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Conan1986 said:
did you change the camera settings to "Touch autoexposure"? The default mode of the camera is "Center-weighted"
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Hi. Can you say more here or is there a link to how we can best make this adjustment? I'm not terribly savvy and appreciate the tips. Thx.

skypilotofhope said:
Hi. Can you say more here or is there a link to how we can best make this adjustment? I'm not terribly savvy and appreciate the tips. Thx.
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Well, in the camera app, pull down the slider with the = icon, swipe to the right to reveal "Settings" which is on the left, tap on that and "Touch autoexposure" should be the first option.
This option is important if you tend to compose your shots with the subject not in the middle (rule of thirds) so tapping on your subject will adjust the exposure and focus according to your subject.

My low light shots are all at over 3000 ISO which leaves quite a bit of visible noise in the picture.
Not liking the camera in poor lighting just yet. Hopefully they will introduce an ISO limiter, or simply fix this in an upcoming update.

I also have a lot of noise in low light photos (rear camera). Automode just isn´t usable if you want to have nice low light photos. The pictures look like that of phones some years ago. Light sources are also always blown out a lot. I also think that the OIS of the U11 isn´t the best out there. So far I don´t really think that this is the best smartphone camera and I was hoping for a better camera performance. HTC told a german magazine in May that they want to deliver an update for the camera. But I don´t know if they really deliver or if this update was the small update of June (?) of the camera app itself. I did this update and nothing changed.

Camera is phenomenal with stunning low light performance.
Check one of mine in auto
IMAG0247 by xristos zerzis, on Flickr

Guys, I've been into photography for over 40yrs. - shooting at ISO 3000 will give you noise onless you're using one of the latest Pro or Prosumer cameras w/advanced sensors- the Nikon D5 / D500 are full frame cropped frame verions ef virtually the same camera in terms of auto focus, pic rendition, & yes, superlative results w/astronomical ISO's - which both support. This is a phone, not a prosumer or petter camera. 3000 ISO is gonna give noise. There are a number of companies that make post processing software specifically to help w/Noise. That nite shot the other fellow took is good work.
The phone is great. The camera is quite good. Deal w/the technical realities & don't expect the cellphone camera to deal w/noise like a Pro DSLR.

foxy4270 said:
Camera is phenomenal with stunning low light performance.
Check one of mine in auto
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That's great, but the ISO fired at only 1262.
Whenever I take a shot in similar lighting, auto mode uses ISO 3152, which means there will be a lot of noise.
Perhaps there are different software versions going around, because my phone has very poor low light performance in auto mode due to it using a far higher ISO than it should.
oldwolf613 said:
The phone is great. The camera is quite good. Deal w/the technical realities & don't expect the cellphone camera to deal w/noise like a Pro DSLR.
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I'm not expecting such a small sensor to handle ISO well - I'm expecting that the camera won't default to a ridiculously high ISO like 3152 where my previous Samsung S6 was happily snapping along at ~1000 with stellar results.

Yes, everyone knows that this isn't a DSLR. But when they claim to have the best smartphone camera around I expect better results. I also don't know why they use a smaller sensor than before... This phone goes for 749 Euro and the low light results often look like from an old S5 or iPhone 4. The Automode just isn't usable in this scenarios. If they deliver an update they could solve the issues, I guess.

Turn on pro mode and drop ISO..

rom116 said:
Turn on pro mode and drop ISO..
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And here in the first sample you can see what I mean with this weak OIS...

Zico, as someone else said go Pro mode & get lower ISO, & even if this phone's camera sensor is smaller than prev ones, - compared to a Pro(sumer) DSLR, this fone's cam compared to prev one vs.
DSLR is like the choosing pinch hitters who bat .249 & .253- the smaller fone sensor is just a bit less than the prev *slightly* bigger one- then there is the density of pixels & dynamic range that make for a good camera - Y am I still talking abt this?

Pro mode and manually selecting ISO is not a solution to a poorly tuned auto mode - it is a workaround that is barely tolerable.

The myth of the 48mp camera

I want to ask anyone who knows if it is possible to get from a 48mp sensor, a raw (DNG) file with resolution only 12mp. This phone has a 48mp jpeg option but no raw. All other apps can give raw files but only 12mp.
I made a test. Took 3 images with mi note 2 (23mp), rn7p, and Asus zenphone laser (13mp). I posted a 250% crop of the 3 images and a detail of this crop. The xiaomi"s phones images are from gcam .From the result anyone can see that the details of the rdn7p are equal (if not worse) with the Asus pfone, while the mi note 2 is far more clear. And if you shoot with the 48mp option you won't get a better file in details than the 12 mp photo mode.
So, for me it is hard to accept that there is a 48 mp sensor in rdn7pro unleess someone can explain the questions above.
Every opinion is valuable.

Bro I believe that the Camera is not very much impressive it needs a lot of improvement. Whereas, if you talk about GoogleCamera, it is not a stable build so not to expect more. I was having note 5 pro and compared with the rn7pro picture than i felt no difference, unfortunately the picture was a little bit clear in rn5pro instead of rn7pro. So i think that Xiaomi has to do alot more to improvement in its camera optimisations and you must wait for stable build of gcam which click satisfying images. ?

Anyway, my question has not to do with the quality but with the ability to get a 48mp dng file. All apps give 12 mp dng files

Although Gcam let u choose 48 Mp, the photo is 12 Mp.
Stock camera make real 48 Mp photos (at least on my chinese unit)

Does pixel binning work on stock camera app?

The front camera resolution is 20 mp and the photos it takes are quite nice. But it apparantly supports pixel binning for low light conditions, but I have never seen it work. Gcam produces way better quality selfies that are 5 mp. So I guess it uses pixel binning or it's just their processing.
Whatever be the case, I want to if anyone has seen pixel binning actually work by the stock camera app.

7viser said:
The front camera resolution is 20 mp and the photos it takes are quite nice. But it apparantly supports pixel binning for low light conditions, but I have never seen it work. Gcam produces way better quality selfies that are 5 mp. So I guess it uses pixel binning or it's just their processing.
Whatever be the case, I want to if anyone has seen pixel binning actually work by the stock camera app.
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Hi, late reply but worth mentioning. I have been doing my homework looking into why my 20MP front camera takes 5MP like shots. Well this is because there is pixel binning.
The stock camera app does take 20MP shots but the quality is very comparable to 5MP due to pixel binning. All other camera apps have so far produced real 5MP photos. In the end I prefer to keep the other apps and not waste my time with stock camera as it only gives a higher resolution, along with a heavier file, only to get a 5MP quality picture.
I am looking into finding a possible way to get a proper 20MP photo without pixel binning that may produce better quality photos.

I have moto one 5G(UW) , it's have 48 MP camera but due to Pixel binning it comes out with 12MP picture, i want to disable Pixel binning, is there any App that help me out.
That'll be appreciated if you help me out

Full size camera samples from stock camera and gcam?

Hi everyone, all I really care about in a phone is a snappy camera with good image quality. So anyone care to share full size samples (16mp) from main stock camera app and gcam for comparison? Thanks!

If I can get this phone one day, then I'll do it, but Motorola tries his best to make sure I never get one (the phone isn't available in my country, though I found a website which provides a mailing address in an other country, I ordered the phone to that location, so they'd send it to me, but Motorola figured this out and they want the phone back...hillarious...).

Finally got this amazing beauty.
Here you go with a Moto Camera vs. Google Camera comparison: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11kv4tG4KJ_fXYbEdfIiNWLKHTrj3mdSp.
EDIT: Night photos were added to the link above!

What is the camera sensor used
Is it possible to know the sensor used in this phone? Is it Sony IMX686 or Samsung GW1

htcmusic said:
Is it possible to know the sensor used in this phone? Is it Sony IMX686 or Samsung GW1
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It's the Samsung GW1. It takes 16 MP by default, but you can also take full resolution 64 MP photos.
The 8MP ultrawide is another Samsung: S5K4H7.
The selfie cam is an Omnivision 32 MP, OV32A. It takes 8 MP photos by default, but you can take 32 MP photos too.

I was able to get some examples of photographs from a reviewer.
https://www.clubedohardware.com.br/download/testes/37054/IMG_20200212_164756883_HDR.jpg
https://www.clubedohardware.com.br/download/testes/37054/IMG_20200212_165135765_HDR.jpg
https://www.clubedohardware.com.br/download/testes/37054/IMG_20200212_165139763.jpg
https://www.clubedohardware.com.br/download/testes/37054/IMG_20200213_105206012_HDR.jpg
https://www.clubedohardware.com.br/download/testes/37054/IMG_20200213_105153148.jpg

Thank you to all who submitted pictures and links here!