Hey guys, I'm new here, so I'm sorry if this has already been covered.
I have an unrooted international version of the One plus 6, with the pixel camera app side loaded.
I was just tinkering in the camera settings and I noticed that the pixel camera will, by default, only capture images in both 4;3 & 16;9 resolutions, utilizing anywhere from 2.8mp - 12mp on the rear camera.
With that in mind, one could make the assumption that the software isn't utilizing the potential of the hardware. (I'm also curious to know how the second lens is cooperating with it).
Basically, I'm just wondering if there is a way to fully utilize both the 20mp and 16mp sensors within the pixel camera..
Any feedback would be awesome! Also, if I'm being dumb by asking this because I'm not educated in this subject, then please, enlighten me so that I may learn ?
Thank you guys!
I don't think it's possible, for a simple reason : The Pixel 3 only has one sensor, and only 12 MP. So, GCam only uses one sensor, and handles 12 MP
But to be honest, it still produces pictures that are vastly superior to the OOS cam, so, for me at least, not a big deal !
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Use xtrme's gcam mod! Though the settings say that the limit is 12 MP, my photos thus far have always been saving in 16.3 MP (100% JPEG quality vs 15.9 MP on 95% default) unless you do some zooming (it will be scaled back to 12 MP but still very very usable). AFAIK that variant of GCam was specifically tinkered to work with OP6.
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/changelog370/
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Use xtrme's gcam mod! Though the settings say that the limit is 12 MP, my photos thus far have always been saving in 16.3 MP (100% JPEG quality vs 15.9 MP on 95% default) unless you do some zooming (it will be scaled back to 12 MP but still very very usable). AFAIK that variant of GCam was specifically tinkered to work with OP6.
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/changelog370/
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The Xtrme's version is indeed pretty good ! Used it for some time.
I feel like the Advanced 1.4 from Arnova is better though, it even has Focus Tracking, which is the best thing ever
Just checked it, the photos save at 16.3 MP with 100% JPEG quality on 1.4 Advanced too. Note that i'm using the OP6 config that is available for it.
Still don't know if it uses both cameras though. On GCam and OOS Cam, the viewfinder only uses the bottom camera, that seems normal.
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The Xtrme's version is indeed pretty good ! Used it for some time.
I feel like the Advanced 1.4 from Arnova is better though, it even has Focus Tracking, which is the best thing ever
Just checked it, the photos save at 16.3 MP with 100% JPEG quality on 1.4 Advanced too. Note that i'm using the OP6 config that is available for it.
Still don't know if it uses both cameras though. On GCam and OOS Cam, the viewfinder only uses the bottom camera, that seems normal.
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Do you perhaps have a link for Advanced 1.4 from Arnova?
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Do you perhaps have a link for Advanced 1.4 from Arnova?
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First one, in red
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-arnova8G2/
You can also get the config file, put it in a folder names "GCAM/Configs" on your storage, and double tap near the shutter in the app to enable it ! (The black part between the shutter and the link to the photos app for example)
These are all great suggestions guys, thank you!
Does the advanced 1.4 and the Xtreme mod allow for shooting in raw formats?
I'm trying to set my phone up to be the best point and shoot it can be, for the sole purpose of stock photography. I know both the pixel camera and the oos camera shoot in raw (oos pro mode is a beast and has outperformed the pixel manual settings consistently but is too cumbersome and doesn't shoot in true 16:9)
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy A70 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Compared to the camera of the 3 years old S8+ (my wife's mobile), I find the camera of the A70 very very weak.
takes good pictures in bright light, however, once your light levels get lower the quality is bad (very grainy)
Is there any app one can suggest to use the sensor better? i find the camera modes not using the sensor to full capacity
i found that ALL the apps i tried see the sensor as 8 Mpix only
All the photo apps I have found show the main camera to be 8 mpix, this is due to Samsung using pixel binning which combines 4 pixels into 1 large pixel to try and improve low light pictures. So 32 divided by 4 gives 8 mpix images and all the apps including the gcam apk only see 8 mpix. Even raw mode apps such as light room show 8 mpix and produce around 15 mpix raw images. I have just seen a youtube review of the new xiaomi note 10 with a 108 mpix camera that pixel bins down to 27 mpix but interestingly has the ability to take a full 108 mpix image, although the images are not as good as the pixel binned ones I assume it would allow for full raw images to be taken which could be edited in light room. So the xiaomi is advertised as 108 and has the option for 108 images. The a70 is advertised as 32 with no way to take a 32 image imho this is false advertising, I am not aware of an app that allows pixel binning to be turned off but the xiaomi shows it can be done. What is needed is someone to develop an app to turn it off or like gcam develop the xiaomi camera app to use on other phones including the ability to use the full resolution. If anyone does know how to turn pixel binning off please comment. I do love the phone but the camera is the weakest aspect.
I didn't buy this phone for the camera. The phone was half the price of a Pixel device. The camera is an upgrade over my previous device which has a camera from 2014. I agree the A70 is not even in the same league as the devices that cost more. I recommend using the money saved and buy a standalone camera if you are serious about photography. I can overlook this flaw because I don't take a lot of pictures.
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All the photo apps I have found show the main camera to be 8 mpix, this is due to Samsung using pixel binning which combines 4 pixels into 1 large pixel to try and improve low light pictures. So 32 divided by 4 gives 8 mpix images and all the apps including the gcam apk only see 8 mpix. Even raw mode apps such as light room show 8 mpix and produce around 15 mpix raw images. I have just seen a youtube review of the new xiaomi note 10 with a 108 mpix camera that pixel bins down to 27 mpix but interestingly has the ability to take a full 108 mpix image, although the images are not as good as the pixel binned ones I assume it would allow for full raw images to be taken which could be edited in light room. So the xiaomi is advertised as 108 and has the option for 108 images. The a70 is advertised as 32 with no way to take a 32 image imho this is false advertising, I am not aware of an app that allows pixel binning to be turned off but the xiaomi shows it can be done. What is needed is someone to develop an app to turn it off or like gcam develop the xiaomi camera app to use on other phones including the ability to use the full resolution. If anyone does know how to turn pixel binning off please comment. I do love the phone but the camera is the weakest aspect.
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You can use full 32mb mode. In the camera app you see 3:4 , change it to the one that has 3:4H
Well back camera is ok - but front ? ... am I wrong - doesn't it have autofocus ? Is that possible ?
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You can use full 32mb mode. In the camera app you see 3:4 , change it to the one that has 3:4H
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Hi the 3x4h setting produces an 8mb image pixel binned from the 32mb lens, if you check the size of the images they are 4 to 6mb, they should be 4x as big with a 32mb lens. There is currently no way to get a full 32mb image either jpeg or raw, thats why all the camera apps show a max res of 8mb.
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Hi the 3x4h setting produces an 8mb image pixel binned from the 32mb lens, if you check the size of the images they are 4 to 6mb, they should be 4x as big with a 32mb lens. There is currently no way to get a full 32mb image either jpeg or raw, thats why all the camera apps show a max res of 8mb.
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When I chose the 3:4H mode in the stock camera I get images with a resolution of 6528x4896 which is 32mp.
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When I chose the 3:4H mode in the stock camera I get images with a resolution of 6528x4896 which is 32mp.
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Hi, Swizzy, the a70 camera pixel binns at 4 to 1, once the image is taken at 6528x4896 the processing combines 4 pixels to 1 increasing the pixel size to improve low light, this gives a finished image quater the size hence 8mp.
Check the gcam port thread and the comments people made about gcam only showing the main camera as 8mp.
Install gcam 6.2
I use default camera only for ultrawide and to use depht sensor on objects
samsung phones have the worst quality/price ratio. ?
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my iphone 5s 6 years old, takes better pictures.
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Compared to the camera of the 3 years old S8+ (my wife's mobile), I find the camera of the A70 very very weak.
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Camera is not weak, even if is good light. But keep in mind this is mid range. Older S8+ is flagship in which was added the best what was that time. So it's normal that Samsung S8+ maybe doing better photo, how u writing. But I have Samsung A70 and I can say for daily personal usage it is enough good quality and is not a shame to share it for others people, friends. Yes in bad light photo have a little bit noise. Keep in mind and fact that this is not professional camera, noise doing S8+ too. Noise at all is not good thing and with this facing a lot of smartphone and it doesn't matter which status it is: mid range or flagship, but that's why this phone or any newest other (probably, i'm not sure about very cheap mid range) have night mode which doing a little bit better photo as normal mode. Also, maybe my requirements is not so big as yours for camera, but a lot of experts, owners said that this is pretty good camera in generally. Photo is enough detailed and bright if you don't zooming it too much. If say honest strange thing is too take photo and zoom it a lot of at all. I looking into normal photo and don't looking for convergences of pixels, details
I found in youtube S8+ vs A70 camera compare (it is not yours? ), so maybe this will help to see others better and do not trust just yours negative opinion about this phone's camera (without fact that in bad light photo is really not good and have a little bit noises if say softy)
Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpvpPzRnpog
My opinion in this video S8+ doing too colored photo. I like photo in which is real colors, but is not too much bolded. Red looks like creepy red, too much red here as possible to see. That's artificial, not real image. Brightness is enough the same from both models, of course there is some fusions in photo taken with Samsung A70, but these fusions most time is see when you zooming a lot of photo or doing that with camera as I mentioned. Then details is with noise a little bit, But I really don't know where did you found weakness in A70 camera (sounds from you like A70 photo is very bad what is not true my opinion and how I saw from others about this phone ), my opinion as I mentioned A70 doing enough good photo. I'm not professional photographer, but I seeing into phone camera not like in professional device with which you can do very impressive quality photo - even in night or when is bad light, so maybe that's why my strictness is not so big as probably yours. Also keep in mind most mobile camera in bad light doing photo with noise, S8+ is not exception as I mentioned too and S8+ is flagship. So maybe compare S8+ with S9 or better S10???
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Well back camera is ok - but front ? ... am I wrong - doesn't it have autofocus ? Is that possible ?
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Samsung A70 haven't auto focus: Front Camera - Auto Focus - No, see in Samsung web site https://www.samsung.com/uk/smartphones/galaxy-a70/SM-A705FZKUBTU/
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my iphone 5s 6 years old, takes better pictures.
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I disagree. Sony than from afar does not match with Samsung's mid range or Samsung smartphones at all. For example: in my location is selling now Sony Xperia 10 Plus (price 360 euros) and Samsung A70 (price 337 - 350), the same shop, but Samsung A70 different colors have a little bit different prices. So prices is almost the same, right? But let's see what is inside phones:
Source: https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9646&idPhone2=9591
SHORT COMPARE
XPERIA 10 PLUS:
IPS LCD capacitive touchscreen. 1080 x 2520 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~422 ppi density). Corning Gorilla Glass 5. Qualcomm SDM636 Snapdragon 636 (14 nm). Octa-core (4x1.8 GHz Kryo 260 Gold & 4x1.6 GHz Kryo 260 Silver). 64GB 4GB RAM, 64GB 6GB RAM. 12 MP, f/1.8, 27mm (wide), 1/2.8", 1.25µm, PDAF, 8 MP, f/2.4, 53mm (telephoto), 1/4", 1.12µm, PDAF, 2x optical zoom. [email protected], [email protected] 8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µm. A-GPS, GLONASS. Non-removable Li-Ion 3000 mAh battery. Fast battery charging 18W.
TEST result: Basemark OS II: 2159 / Basemark OS II 2.0: 1764 Basemark X: 15035
SAMSUNG A70:
Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen. 1080 x 2400 pixels, 20:9 ratio (~393 ppi density). Corning Gorilla Glass 3 (strange decision from Samsung, but... we have what we have). Qualcomm SDM675 Snapdragon 675 (11 nm). Octa-core (2x2.0 GHz Kryo 460 Gold & 6x1.7 GHz Kryo 460 Silver). 128GB 6GB RAM, 128GB 8GB RAM (Sony don't adding even in flagship 8GB RAM memory - shame). 32 MP, f/1.7, 26mm (wide), 1/2.8", 0.8µm, PDAF, 8 MP, f/2.2, 12mm (ultrawide), 1/4.0", 1.12µm, 5 MP, f/2.2, (wide), 1/5.0", 1.12µm, depth sensor. [email protected], [email protected]/240fps. 32 MP, f/2.0, 26mm (wide), 1/2.8", 0.8µm. A-GPS, GLONASS, GALILEO, BDS. Non-removable Li-Po 4500 mAh battery. Fast battery charging 25W.
TEST result: Basemark OS II: 2814 / Basemark OS II 2.0: 2737 Basemark X: 19341
This is not all specifications, but my opinion most important in smartphone. As you can see in most thing Samsung A70 is much more better as Sony which have biggest price a little bit, but looks much more worst as Samsung. I agree if you want to say that Chinese manufacturers making better smartphone for the same prices, yes i could buy Xiaomi Mi 9T, which in my location from the same shop cost 328 euros. But Xioami Mi9T:
1. Is Chinese smartphone. I have Xiaomi (Amazfit smart watch), so i know how they like to do a lot of bugs in software and how hard to fix it, to present world wide features, but most of them do not add in international versions.
2. Amazfit's, which is part of Xioami, support is very bad, agents looks like assholes from child's garden. But maybe with Xioami this problem is not exit, some saying it different support quality, but after smart watch i don't trust this company anymore. Even when is a lot of bugs in watch and so hard they fixing it.
3. This is compare of all these models https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9646&idPhone2=9591&idPhone3=9738#diff- in which you can see that Xioami Mi9T is a little more powerfull smartphone compare with these models (Qualcomm SDM730 Snapdragon 730 (8 nm), Octa-core (2x2.2 GHz Kryo 470 Gold & 6x1.8 GHz Kryo 470 Silver), Adreno 618), but i heard that apps like to force close often, maybe it's already fixed, but... also haven't memory card which for me is very important. Camera in Xioami Mi9T is much more better as Samsung A70 (48 MP, f/1.8, 26mm (wide), 1/2.0", 0.8µm, PDAF, 8 MP, f/2.4, 53mm (telephoto), 1/4.0", 1.12µm, PDAF, 2x optical zoom, 13 MP, f/2.4, 12mm (ultrawide), 1/3.1", 1.12µm), also recording is [email protected], [email protected]/120/240fps, [email protected], included steady shot. But battery is only Non-removable Li-Po 4000 mAh battery with only Fast battery charging 18W. So i disagree that Samsung compare quality and price is bad, coz Sony here looks much more worst and even compare with Xiaomi Samsung is not so bad. Some specifications better have Xioami, some Samsung. Which by the way is very important to me.
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Ahem, no. Just no.
I agree with all who say that photo quality is terrible. I had an S8, the pictures taken with that looked very good out of the box. The picture processing on the A70 is just awful:
-It oversharpens way too much, especially in low light, the sharpening halos are painful to look at
-It does overly aggressive noise reduction which results in a serious lack of detail. Even by just zooming in a little bit it becomes clear that however the image looks "sharp" in 0% magnification there are literally no details captured as they are killed by the noise reduction
One other thing I don't really understand, is that the standard camera resolution is 4032x3024=12,1k=12 Megapixels. How can it be 12 megapixels, if the quad-bayer arrangement should result in 32/4=8 Megapixels, as the Gcam records in? If somebody could explain this i would be really happy.
I actually compared the photos from the A70 with my old (still working good) galaxy s5, and i was shocked, as in many scenarios the S5 actually produced much more detailed and vibrant pictures. That's when I decided to try the GCAM. I'm so happy right now, as this actually brings up the A70 camera quality to the level of the Galaxy s8 which I had previously as a company phone. With the GCAM the pictures are looking flagship-camera like with details properly captured, white balance is spot on (stock camera messes that up too, it takes too warm pictures almost in all scenarios), and the dynamic range is excellent too. And most importantly, there is no hideous oversharpening going on with the GCAM.
I'll link the images soon when i have a chance to upload them.
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Ahem, no. Just no.
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Can you elaborate on that? I just wrote a comment, let me quote the respective part:
"One other thing I don't really understand, is that the standard camera resolution is 4032x3024=12,1k=12 Megapixels. How can it be 12 megapixels, if the quad-bayer arrangement should result in 32/4=8 Megapixels, as the Gcam records in? If somebody could explain this i would be really happy."
Thanks
8mp interpolated to 32mp
what the hell is binning?
it is good old interpolation
this is an awful phone, awful camera quality, (because of an awful sensor)
no software support, one ui 1.0 is far worse than its rivals.
they marketed the one ui 2.0 and android 10 updates, but they are constantly postponed... to an unknown date...
because the lier company is busy with releasing other crap phones (like the a71, 51 vsvs)
they do not have any respect to the old customers, they just flood market
by flood marketing, every 3-4 months they release 3-4 new crap models, they are almost the same hardware as the older models.
they have many marketing lies, and they hope to fool more new customers by these marketing lies.
Yep the camera is terrible.
I was hoping they would do something via updates - but no.
I love the screen, size is great for me. Performance is good for my use, battery good. In screen finger print sensor is sub par but I can put up with it.
But the camera - oh dear - it's not as if the phone is a cheap and nasty phone - but the pictures it takes look like it is....
In most respects it's the best phone I have ever had (I don't do flag ships) - but they camera!!
I think you get the picture (pun intended).
Cheers
I posted an article on samsung community with pictures to compare the stock cam to gcam in lower light conditions. Also, I explain how the 32 megapixel sensor ends up shooting 12 MPG photos with "pixel binning". Let me quickly sum that up here as more people were asking this:
The 32MP camera is used in pixel binning mode, that results in a 8 MP shot (4 pixels are grouped as 1), AND the software actually UPSCALES that 8 MP shot to 12 by basically stretching the image with some AI quality retain helping process. What the actual hell. So yeah. Basically this phone takes 8 megapixel photos, which are then enlarged to 12.
I would have never thought that samsung would pull something as cheap as this on their customers. I'm now at a point that I'm going to use this phone for now, as it was basically free when I joined a phone fleet, but when it will come to my money, I will never opt for a samsung again. This is a shame btw, as the phone itself is not bad actually. Screen is epic, the battery is killer, and oneUI is actually very good, seems quite fluent and polished. Unfortunately the photo quality is not only bad thing (WIFI download speed is sluggish, touchscreen has sensitivity and touch registering issues, and fingerprint sensor is very unreliable), but the most ridiculous is the camera by far.
Below is my topic for the photo quality.
https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5...xy-A70-Camera-performance-issues/td-p/1565446
Cheers.
Hi everyone, all I really care about in a phone is a snappy camera with good image quality. So anyone care to share full size samples (16mp) from main stock camera app and gcam for comparison? Thanks!
If I can get this phone one day, then I'll do it, but Motorola tries his best to make sure I never get one (the phone isn't available in my country, though I found a website which provides a mailing address in an other country, I ordered the phone to that location, so they'd send it to me, but Motorola figured this out and they want the phone back...hillarious...).
Finally got this amazing beauty.
Here you go with a Moto Camera vs. Google Camera comparison: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11kv4tG4KJ_fXYbEdfIiNWLKHTrj3mdSp.
EDIT: Night photos were added to the link above!
What is the camera sensor used
Is it possible to know the sensor used in this phone? Is it Sony IMX686 or Samsung GW1
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Is it possible to know the sensor used in this phone? Is it Sony IMX686 or Samsung GW1
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It's the Samsung GW1. It takes 16 MP by default, but you can also take full resolution 64 MP photos.
The 8MP ultrawide is another Samsung: S5K4H7.
The selfie cam is an Omnivision 32 MP, OV32A. It takes 8 MP photos by default, but you can take 32 MP photos too.
I was able to get some examples of photographs from a reviewer.
https://www.clubedohardware.com.br/download/testes/37054/IMG_20200212_164756883_HDR.jpg
https://www.clubedohardware.com.br/download/testes/37054/IMG_20200212_165135765_HDR.jpg
https://www.clubedohardware.com.br/download/testes/37054/IMG_20200212_165139763.jpg
https://www.clubedohardware.com.br/download/testes/37054/IMG_20200213_105206012_HDR.jpg
https://www.clubedohardware.com.br/download/testes/37054/IMG_20200213_105153148.jpg
Thank you to all who submitted pictures and links here!
Hello Guys!
Can anyone who got hands on new Poco X3 upload raw video and photos (f.e. google drive) from it for us to check quality?
Will be very helpful for everyone.
I can share the files with you when I get the phone. However, it is not even shipped yet even through i was told 3-7 days.
Write to me in a week and I will send it.
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I can share the files with you when I get the phone. However, it is not even shipped yet even through i was told 3-7 days.
Write to me in a week and I will send it.
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Ok thank you
I still hope maybe someone from here have it for testing and can upload files.
Mine has just been shipped, remind me to post pics/vids here and I will
Anyone know what are the camera sensors for the 13 Mpx back camera and the 20 Mpx front camera?
Back Cameras
64 Mpx - Sony IMX682 sensor
13 Mpx - ???
2 Mpx - w/e
2 Mpx - w/e
Front Camera
20 Mpx - ???
Widecamera: Sony IMX682: 64MP, 1.6μm, 1/1.73“ sensor size, f/1.89
Ultrawidecamera: Hynix hi1337: 13MP, 119° FoV, f/2.2 Makrosensor: Hynix hi259: 2MP, 75μm, f/2.4, FF (4cm) Deepsensor: Omnivision ov02b1b_I: 2MP, 75μm pixel size, f/2.4
Front: Samsung s5k3t2: 20MP, 1.6μm, f/2.2
https://photos.app.goo.gl/eKkgMePuZh1yp8g16
Hope this works.
Macro camera(M) is kinda meh
Wide(main) is good. The 64mpx at PRO-mode doesn't make a noticeable difference, need to test it more outdoors
Ultrawide(uw) is better than I expected
Video seems good.
I really like video stabilization, it's on par with gcam, maybe a bit better. There's also a steady-video mode that uses the ultrawide-cam with eis and gives a weird effect
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I hate AI because it cranks up saturation and gives weird results sometimes so I have it turned-off
Average RAW with main camera is 30MB
Noticed the phone getting warmer with slow-mo
JPGs:
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/o7kqsg6dugw39
RAWs
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/a30eu0aifghf1
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Macro camera(M) is kinda meh
Wide(main) is good. The 64mpx at PRO-mode doesn't make a noticeable difference, need to test it more outdoors
Ultrawide(uw) is better than I expected
Video seems good.
I really like video stabilization, it's on par with gcam, maybe a bit better. There's also a steady-video mode that uses the ultrawide-cam with eis and gives a weird effect
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I hate AI because it cranks up saturation and gives a weird results sometimes so I have it turned-off
Average RAW with main camera is 30MB
Noticed the phone getting warmer with slow-mo
JPGs:
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/o7kqsg6dugw39
RAWs
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/a30eu0aifghf1
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Can you upload video files for us?
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Can you upload video files for us?
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Ugh? I did...
Just click the links?