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[Poll] Micro Arc Oxidation failure

This is just a poll thread to gather some statistics about the HTC One S body issue.
Please, vote only if you are using the device for some days (3 and more) and do not vote if you have a brand new phone out from the box.
And, if you would have this issue after your "Not issued" vote, please, leave a comment.
Thank you.
Discussion thread is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1589364
P.S Moderators, please, merge this thread with the disscusion one.

SH23, 5 days, no issue YET
Hi,
I've been using my black One S during 5 days.
SH23 with no real issue yet, except that the USB port edges have some "micro" clear spots
I still voted "no issue" because its much smaller than what is shown on the pictures.
Hopefully this pole will be merged with the other thread

We've started a poll yesterday in a german thread. Results are:
Black issued: 40
Black not issued: 27
Silver issues: 2
Silver not issued: 10
Total number: 79
The two cases with "silver issued" hab no problem with the unibody, but the plastic sim-cover. As far as I know all devices have HT23 or SH23 SN.
http://www.android-hilfe.de/htc-one-s-forum/poll-956-hat-lackschaeden-am-htc-one-s-nicht.html

Good initiative. Hope it gets merged

I do not want to piss in the pool here, but over in the MAO failure discussion thread it was recently mentioned that the first 4 digits do not tell us anything but year and month of manufacture. It takes the first 5 to really peg it down to the exactly to the day of manufacturing.
Also I am not sure if it makes sense to throw both of the sites of manufacture into one put. HT stands for a Taiwan factory and SH for... I forgot - Shenzhen or Shanghai I think.
I think for this to be useful it should take into account the first 5 digits AND separate the locations. My reasoning: the SH facility might have had a "good" (non issued batch) during three days of March, while the HT facility produced issued phones on those dates. Then, later on, the HT facility may have had a few good days, while the SH facility put out crap. With the current setup this is meddled up and there is not really much info to be gathered, except the overall percentage of ppl who have issues with the devices made in March in both locations. It does not indicate whether SH or HT is better or worse.
Of course this would make for a complete overkill of poll options. (Assuming the first were made on the first of March it would take 30 options for each facility).
Suggestion: Change or close this thread and create a new one with the poll options "No issues (yet)" - "Major issues" - "Minor issues" and maybe a second poll asking when the first issues were noticed ("First day", "within 3 days", "within 5 days" etc.)
And then request users the users to post a picture or at least a description of the issues (at top edge, around all edges, around sim cover, around USB Port) and the first 5 digits. Then the entire thing would be much easier to follow and notice trends.
Of course that would require moderator or someone with permanent editing rights to take in all the new posts and add them to some sort of list / table in the First Post for easy reference.
But if done this way it would probably make for a useful source of info even for HTC engineers, becaue from what I gather a lot of ppl who have this problem and post in the debate thread are not ready or willing or able to send in their phones just yet for inspection by HTC.
Just my 2 cents
Just my two cents.

I'm quite short on time but wanted to quickly provide the recent numbers:
Black issued: 46
Black not issued: 32
Silver issues: 2
Silver not issued: 10
Total number: 90
But: I agree absolutely on the fact that SNs are not helping much right here!

psych0t1c, I think you are right about the S/N. It`s just the first batches. But the poll options with "days used" is not so good, cause some users are more careful than others
All we can do, is just collect the stats "Issued / Not issued". And ofcourse it`ll be very good if people post the photos and comment on if these scratches appeared after they had already voted.

psych0t1c said:
I do not want to piss in the pool here, but over in the MAO failure discussion thread it was recently mentioned that the first 4 digits do not tell us anything but year and month of manufacture. It takes the first 5 to really peg it down to the exactly to the day of manufacturing.
Also I am not sure if it makes sense to throw both of the sites of manufacture into one put. HT stands for a Taiwan factory and SH for... I forgot - Shenzhen or Shanghai I think.
I think for this to be useful it should take into account the first 5 digits AND separate the locations. My reasoning: the SH facility might have had a "good" (non issued batch) during three days of March, while the HT facility produced issued phones on those dates. Then, later on, the HT facility may have had a few good days, while the SH facility put out crap. With the current setup this is meddled up and there is not really much info to be gathered, except the overall percentage of ppl who have issues with the devices made in March in both locations. It does not indicate whether SH or HT is better or worse.
Of course this would make for a complete overkill of poll options. (Assuming the first were made on the first of March it would take 30 options for each facility).
Suggestion: Change or close this thread and create a new one with the poll options "No issues (yet)" - "Major issues" - "Minor issues" and maybe a second poll asking when the first issues were noticed ("First day", "within 3 days", "within 5 days" etc.)
And then request users the users to post a picture or at least a description of the issues (at top edge, around all edges, around sim cover, around USB Port) and the first 5 digits. Then the entire thing would be much easier to follow and notice trends.
Of course that would require moderator or someone with permanent editing rights to take in all the new posts and add them to some sort of list / table in the First Post for easy reference.
But if done this way it would probably make for a useful source of info even for HTC engineers, becaue from what I gather a lot of ppl who have this problem and post in the debate thread are not ready or willing or able to send in their phones just yet for inspection by HTC.
Just my 2 cents
Just my two cents.
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You make a very valid point, but it could very well be for nothing as well. For example the phones prone to this error could be within each batch much like processors, where the ones of lesser quality are sold as lower-end models.
My point being, we could put a lot of effort in this but the best thing is to just make a huge deal out of it so HTC will solve it for us. Of course feel free to go along, the data should be interesting anyhow

OldЕr said:
This is just a poll thread to gather some statistics about the HTC One S body issue.
Please, vote only if you are using the device for some days (3 and more) and do not vote if you have a brand new phone out from the box.
And, if you would have this issue after your "Not issued" vote, please, leave a comment.
Thank you.
Discussion thread is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1589364
P.S Moderators, please, merge this thread with the disscusion one.
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Decided not to merge. I see you have already provided a link to the other thread and this one is closed. That should suffice
Rick

[Q] manufacturing a non camera smartphone

There are two questions (at the moment) that I'd like to be answered if possible.
1. How much would be needed to pay a manufacturer to create one?
High end internals, without a camera or a micro SD slot.
2. How can I get into contact with those that want one?
There are three reasons why I'm in the process of making one.
Variety of camera-less "smart phones" are shrinking. It's good to have choice
There is no one else doing it (so far, I think).
There is enough of a demand for others to have one.
Currently, there is a Shenzhen based manufacturer that gave me a positive reply regarding this matter so I still believe that there is some hope.

mononymous said:
There are two questions (at the moment) that I'd like to be answered if possible.
1. How much would be needed to pay a manufacturer to create one?
High end internals, without a camera or a micro SD slot.
2. How can I get into contact with those that want one?
There are three reasons why I'm in the process of making one.
Variety of camera-less "smart phones" are shrinking. It's good to have choice
There is no one else doing it (so far, I think).
There is enough of a demand for others to have one.
Currently, there is a Shenzhen based manufacturer that gave me a positive reply regarding this matter so I still believe that there is some hope.
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I don't think people will look for a specific phone without cam. I mean, of course they may not care if its 2MP or 8MP. If 1 such phone is released, it'll be immediately be bombarded with people who won't mind having an extra feature i.e cam. Do you think people who don't use cam much will NOT buy a smartphone because it has got a camera, although vice-versa seems possible.

there is a market...
lamborg said:
I don't think people will look for a specific phone without cam. I mean, of course they may not care if its 2MP or 8MP. If 1 such phone is released, it'll be immediately be bombarded with people who won't mind having an extra feature i.e cam. Do you think people who don't use cam much will NOT buy a smartphone because it has got a camera, although vice-versa seems possible.
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The target market are not the general consumers, it never was in this case which is why I brought up this small project of mine. The phone is aimed at people who due to their work have restrictions on what they can bring. For instance, officially I am not allowed to have a camera phone which has an expandable storage. Every once in a while, I see posts on various forums and blogs about a non-camera smartphone. Even here, there were others who were in the exact situation. The difference between them and myself is that for them, they at least had a choice in buying a phone that accomplished such goals.
You say that the phone will be bombarded by people who want it without a camera, I would disagree. As, there are plenty of other options form reputable manufacturer that would fit the bill. Since, from the start I am not planning to create a product that would compete with them since I am at a disadvantage, not only in terms of so called "features" but brand, support, availability.
I'm trying to target a niche that would exist for the foreseeable future and that is why I created this thread.

OP8 vs 7T vs Nord

My 6T is on its last legs, there is something wrong with the phone reception, everyone tells me that they can barely understand me when I am on the phone (but not on Whatsapp or other VOIP apps).
Things that are important to me, arranged in order of priority
a) Best in class battery life
b) Rootable - the only two mods I do that require root are install AdBlocker and AFWall+, then I Magisk hide the InTune crap
c) 6.4-6.5" screen - smaller is too small, larger requires 2-handed opertion
d) Screen that is readable in daylight - the 6T really struggles there
e) Reasonable update schedule
f) Clean-ish Android experience
g) $800 or less price, preferably $600 or less
Things that are a don't care
1) Camera - the phone is a utility camera for me, when I want great pics I reach for a real camera
2) High pixel count or referesh rate - I mostly read news/blogs/articles on the phone
3) 5G - it ain't gonna be viable in the US for a few years, so why pay for something that just sucks battery and does nothing useful
4) Selfie lens, optical telephoto, portrait mode, etc - see #1 above
Based on the above the Nord hits all the right specs, but I am going to have to take a flier on importing it via some shady channel.
By all accounts the Pixel4a is a good phone with a sh*tty battery. The Pixel 4 is a great phone with a marginal battery. And battery is #1 for me.
Samsung prices are ridiculous
Moto software updates are non-existent
Which kind of leaves me with the OP line. From what I have read the primary difference between the 7T and the 8 is the 5G and a slight QCOM processor upgrade, which I don't care about. At this point the 8 will also get software updates a year or so longer than the 7T. But I can get the 7T for $450 tax free from B&H, while the 8 will set me back a minimum of $700+tax, for allegedly a very similar phone .
Am I missing any other important differences between the 7T and the 8?
Any suggestions on where to "safely" get a Nord?
Any other phones I should cosnider?
TIA

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@GroovyGeek THREAD CLOSED as duplicate of https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-nord/help/nord-vs-8-vs-7t-t4153317#post83358647 and https://forum.xda-developers.com/general/general/7t-vs-8-vs-nord-t4153313, although the first one has also been closed and the latter one moved to the General forum.
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Overwhelmed by info overload - looking for a waterproof phone!

OK - I'm sure this might not be a popular thread, but a little help is why this forum exists - I hope?
I currently have a Sony Xperia Z5 Compact, and I'm looking to upgrade to a phone that has AT LEAST the same level of waterproofing, and a significant improvement in memory & processing power.
I'm also looking for something smaller than a 6" screen (preferably smaller than 5.5")
I'd like to have an SDcard slot, but don't need a 2nd Sim.
I'd like a phone that's going to have at least one OS upgrade (preferably to 12 when it arrives), does that still happen*?
I'd prefer not to have a Samsung, the cleanest Android OS possible would be preferable.
I am leaning towards a 'rugged' phone because I am a klutz and don't like using a case if possible.
* I haven't paid attention to the smartphone markets for a few years - the choice now is massive and overwhelming, and none of the specification comparison sites seem to have 'all' the available phones, often they're limited to Samsung/Apple/Xiomi and not much more (unless of course I simply can't find the one comparison site that truly has them all)

Riceburner said:
OK - I'm sure this might not be a popular thread, but a little help is why this forum exists - I hope?
I currently have a Sony Xperia Z5 Compact, and I'm looking to upgrade to a phone that has AT LEAST the same level of waterproofing, and a significant improvement in memory & processing power.
I'm also looking for something smaller than a 6" screen (preferably smaller than 5.5")
I'd like to have an SDcard slot, but don't need a 2nd Sim.
I'd like a phone that's going to have at least one OS upgrade (preferably to 12 when it arrives), does that still happen*?
I'd prefer not to have a Samsung, the cleanest Android OS possible would be preferable.
I am leaning towards a 'rugged' phone because I am a klutz and don't like using a case if possible.
* I haven't paid attention to the smartphone markets for a few years - the choice now is massive and overwhelming, and none of the specification comparison sites seem to have 'all' the available phones, often they're limited to Samsung/Apple/Xiomi and not much more (unless of course I simply can't find the one comparison site that truly has them all)
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Since I live in europe, my personal fav is this website. Even if you don't live in EU, that site has an astonishingly good filter for products (they list the products even if no seller is available with all possible variants/last known price).
If you go to the mobile section and use the filter, you would need to apply a special features filter (namely the waterproof [submerged] IP65/IP68) filter. Adding the fact that you want a phone under 5.7" display size, I have found 370 phones ranging from 2011-2021 regardless of their OS or SoC (they have windows phones listed as well ).
You have a selection of 370 phones with your only limit being the price and the android 12 condition, both of which depend on you.
A reminder: Newer phones released in 2020 and up (shipped with android 10 or higher to be eligible for 12) are almost always 6" or bigger, phones such as pixel or OnePlus do come in smaller sizes, but they shy away from 3.5mmjack/sdcard and aren't as rugged. Maybe look into a phone with good android 11 custom ROM support in XDA forums. My personal fav device in your requirements would be a pixel 4a/5a if you're willing to forgo the sdcard/rugged part.

Slim K said:
Since I live in europe, my personal fav is this website. Even if you don't live in EU, that site has an astonishingly good filter for products (they list the products even if no seller is available with all possible variants/last known price).
If you go to the mobile section and use the filter, you would need to apply a special features filter (namely the waterproof [submerged] IP65/IP68) filter. Adding the fact that you want a phone under 5.7" display size, I have found 370 phones ranging from 2011-2021 regardless of their OS or SoC (they have windows phones listed as well ).
You have a selection of 370 phones with your only limit being the price and the android 12 condition, both of which depend on you.
A reminder: Newer phones released in 2020 and up (shipped with android 10 or higher to be eligible for 12) are almost always 6" or bigger, phones such as pixel or OnePlus do come in smaller sizes, but they shy away from 3.5mmjack/sdcard and aren't as rugged. Maybe look into a phone with good android 11 custom ROM support in XDA forums. My personal fav device in your requirements would be a pixel 4a/5a if you're willing to forgo the sdcard/rugged part.
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THAT is a useful link, many thanks!

What do you think of the Solana Saga?

I was surprised I couldn't find a thread discussing this phone. Is it taboo or something, or is everyone underwhelmed? What do you all think?
Being on Verizon and wanting a decent replacement for my Essential PH-1, I just found it. I can't seem to find anything else decent with an unlockable bootloader and microsd slot. Moto G Stylus 5G thoughts make me groan a bit.

LOLs, I just tried to find a Solana Saga phone forum too, only your post (& an old one of mine re old press release showed up). I'm also surprised there is no forum yet. They are on Discord, but not the same as XDA & phone geeks. Given their prelaunch press etc I'm surprised the actual launch seemed to fly under the radar.
If I was into crypto I'd have bought one already, but I'm not, though I'm sure the built-in chip for secure transactions is the future.
Like you I want a top notch phone without lots of bloatware, an unlockable bootloader, large storage, while having a dual SIM & SD slot is a great bonus. Storage is probably more than i need though with good camera I will likely use it more. I've only just started looking into actually buying a new phone & was expecting to have several choices, but seems not.
A few people have reported not being able to register phone on network (with what appear to be SIMs from 2nd level reseller companies, not actual network provides or in which countries isn't clear) but rebooting after setup AND allowing enough time for network to register new phone appears to fixe and they can join network. But no doubt if there really is an issue, it'll be fixed shortly by software update. You should be fine on major US network.
I also have an Essential phone that has performed flawlessly & is a quality build, so given it's largely the same team behind OSOM who designed & built the hardware for Solana I'm sure the phone will be a top quality design & build, and they still have good links to Google, I assume. So I'm probably going to buy one, even though I feel that as I won't be using crypto I'm paying a couple of hundred extra, but there really doesn't seem to be another phone at that price point (especially for 512gigs) that meets my main criteria ie vanilla Android, flagship, good storage, SD, good camera.