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Hey guys
I'm a new owner of a new Razr I and I want to share with you that BestSkinsEver is making a skin for the Razr M, wich has exactly the same dimension as our beloved Razr I...
I've used the screen and body skins for my Galaxy Nexus and I can assure that it's awesome... The best screen protector I've used... much better than dry applied ones...
http://www.bestskinsever.com/motorola-droid-razr-m-skin
I'm just waiting for them to star selling :good:
Are you using any screen protectors at the moment?

I'm using the atfoliX FX-Clear screen protection. It's great to apply, you can re-use it by washing it. Not a single air bubble at the main screen.
Best part is: After i asked for it, they now also produce a smaller film for the glossy area at the back of the phone! I think it's the only manufacturer that offers it, it now comes with the normal films. I think it's based on silicone or something, at least it's not that ordinary "try to apply without air inclusions beneath it".
I can recommend it 100%, as Gorilla Glas does not seem to be as scratch-resistant as advertised (take the Asus Padfone; from inserting it into it's station many users have scratches). 100% invisible except the cut-out at the front cam.
It's a german manufacturer so i don't now if you can get it outside of germany. Some protections are sold outside germany, but not for every single device. Price is okay as it is 3 films for 5€.

CentaXx said:
I'm using the atfoliX FX-Clear screen protection. It's great to apply, you can re-use it by washing it. Not a single air bubble at the main screen.
Best part is: After i asked for it, they now also produce a smaller film for the glossy area at the back of the phone! I think it's the only manufacturer that offers it, it now comes with the normal films. I think it's based on silicone or something, at least it's not that ordinary "try to apply without air inclusions beneath it".
I can recommend it 100%, as Gorilla Glas does not seem to be as scratch-resistant as advertised (take the Asus Padfone; from inserting it into it's station many users have scratches). 100% invisible except the cut-out at the front cam.
It's a german manufacturer so i don't now if you can get it outside of germany. Some protections are sold outside germany, but not for every single device. Price is okay as it is 3 films for 5€.
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really great screen protectors i like this.

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CentaXx said:
I'm using the atfoliX FX-Clear screen protection. It's great to apply, you can re-use it by washing it. Not a single air bubble at the main screen.
Best part is: After i asked for it, they now also produce a smaller film for the glossy area at the back of the phone! I think it's the only manufacturer that offers it, it now comes with the normal films. I think it's based on silicone or something, at least it's not that ordinary "try to apply without air inclusions beneath it".
I can recommend it 100%, as Gorilla Glas does not seem to be as scratch-resistant as advertised (take the Asus Padfone; from inserting it into it's station many users have scratches). 100% invisible except the cut-out at the front cam.
It's a german manufacturer so i don't now if you can get it outside of germany. Some protections are sold outside germany, but not for every single device. Price is okay as it is 3 films for 5€.
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I have just ordered them! they thanks for your recommendation!

motorola = a big letdown
I think Motorola make great phones only thing is that they 'divide' themself from others. They never sell worldwide and always depend on ONE stupid provider: Verizon. Thats why Motorola will never be popular and their brand will soon be forgotten...

Why would you need a screen protector ?

ro_explorer said:
Why would you need a screen protector ?
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Because you better protect the display.

Protect it from what? ... your fingers?
Then why bother buying a phone with gorilla glass?
I agree ... if you go with your phone in a hostile environment then yes, you have to protect it (like .. tracking while mountain biking). But in normal daily usage, the phone (any phone) feels just great in the original form.

As already mentioned, have a look at the Asus Padfone. It uses Gorilla Glas, too, under specific circumstances scratches may occour anyway.
http://www.amazon.de/atFoliX-Displa...0XGO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1357078998&sr=8-1
Just watch the pictures and tell me if you see any difference apart from the front cam cutout. I can tell you that you won't notice any difference, no one noticed the protection and IF i accidently put keys into the same pocket as my phone (won't happen as i have a case, too) at least the display won't get scratches. Probably the protection will, so just throw it away and apply the next one. You receive 3 when buying it for 4,50€. I don't get paid for writing this, but it's not like this was a big amout of money.
The gorilla glas can and will get scratches, too, but not as fast as normal glas.

CentaXx said:
As already mentioned, have a look at the Asus Padfone. It uses Gorilla Glas, too, under specific circumstances scratches may occour anyway.
Just watch the pictures and tell me if you see any difference apart from the front cam cutout. I can tell you that you won't notice any difference, no one noticed the protection and IF i accidently put keys into the same pocket as my phone (won't happen as i have a case, too) at least the display won't get scratches. Probably the protection will, so just throw it away and apply the next one. You receive 3 when buying it for 4,50€. I don't get paid for writing this, but it's not like this was a big amout of money.
The gorilla glas can and will get scratches, too, but not as fast as normal glas.
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quote everything!

The gorilla glass CAN get scratches. Your phone will NOT get scratched in "normal daily usage" - swiping and touching it with your fingers, car keys bumping with your phone, etc. As for the ASUS Padfone, it gets easily scratched as there are no borders to protect it. Also, I believe it is due to other issues like when they insert it on the tablet.
I own an S3 and it is gorilla glass 2 but got some scratches when it fell and slid on the floor (tiles). This is because there are no borders around the screen of the S3 so the gorilla glass takes all the beating.

That's what I said. If you intend to beat-up your phone, then you better put a rugged skin and a thick screen protector. Otherwise, just use it. I do not intend to "protect" it from accidental miss-usage sacrificing the beauty of the device for this. Accidents will always occur ... you have to accept this. And your phone might get a cracked screen even with a screen protector on it (if dropped in the unlucky position, on the corner). So .. why bother?

I have been using mine without a screen protector, and it now has a few tiny scratches.
I think this whole 'gorilla glass' thing is just a marketing gimmick.. I've had XDAs many (many, many) years ago without screen protectors that went through far worse than what this phone has had to go through, and they were fine.

One has to understand the fact the gorilla glass is a reinforced glass ... but still a glass. And a sand particle you catch in your pocket will likely scratch the gorilla glass ... it is a simple matter of material hardness.
Here is a more detailed explanation: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1866049

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I love the way the screen does not pick up greasy fingerprints. This is not the same with screen protector on though. Is there one as good as that?
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I've been using atFolix FX-Clear Film for Razr I and I'm really happy with it.
Doesn't grease at all (but I make sure I don't have greasy hands before using my phone).

I don't know if it actually works as well as they claim it does but this Rhino Shield seems like a seriously impressive product...
http://shopify.evolutivelabs.com/products/rhino-shield-phone
They don't currently make one for the Razr I but I've spoken to them and they say they would probably produce one if they were to receive 100 orders.
What is the likelihood of that do you think? Anyone interested?

Naunaud said:
I've been using atFolix FX-Clear Film for Razr I and I'm really happy with it.
Doesn't grease at all (but I make sure I don't have greasy hands before using my phone).
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I´m also using atFolix FX-Clear. It fits realy perfect on Razr i. Easy to apply with no air bubbles.
But after now 6 months of use i think the "grease protection" is gone away...
I need more time for cleaning of the phone than before and its hard to remove the grease
a friend has a rough screen-protection (not cristal clear) this realy take no fingerprints.
this rough screen-protection i will try next time.
apply a screen-protection is the first thing i do after unpacking a new phone!
There is nothing worse than a scratch on the (real) display! -> great value loss when selling

My Razr I from Three came with one applied ... it's not the cloudy film they normally put on new phones either. Either way, saved me a few quid trying to find one.

Scratches in camera glass

Just changed to the z3 from my iphone 5s. After one week of use I see that I have alot of tiny scratches on the glass that covers the camera. On my Iphone 5s i have not a single scratch after a year of usage.
Anyone else having the same? I dont want to use a large case covering my phone, but the quality of my pictures matters a lot. Tips to preventing this to happen? Why is it happening?
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kicker86 said:
Just changed to the z3 from my iphone 5s. After one week of use I see that I have alot of tiny scratches on the glass that covers the camera. On my Iphone 5s i have not a single scratch after a year of usage.
Anyone else having the same? I dont want to use a large case covering my phone, but the quality of my pictures matters a lot. Tips to preventing this to happen? Why is it happening?
Edit: Sorry, wrong part of forum. Please move.
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It s simple Smartphone cannot take care of itself you should be careful where to put it
iPhone 5s also have these kindda problem cause I experience it myself (lots of scratch on camera, back and front
there is small circle protector to just put on camera to prevent scratches (it doesn't effect on pic quality cause it s completely visible) and usually these protectors ships with screen protectors
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Geeks Empire said:
It s simple Smartphone cannot take care of itself you should be careful where to put it
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Not really true as it deeply depends of the glass quality...
I've got a Samsung S4, took it with me on my Asia trips. Water, sand, rough handling, carrying it with lots of other stuff in the backpack.
NO (!) scratches on the camera lens.
Z3: Scratches on the glass backplane after one day of cautious use, crack in the display glass after listening to loud music for some time, rendering the touchscreen defective. Crack starting at the upper speaker which causes strong vibrations of the phone.
So it seems Sony doesn't care much about using quality glass; might be the same with the camera lens.

same problem with z3 camera scrathes.
Chefproll said:
Not really true as it deeply depends of the glass quality...
I've got a Samsung S4, took it with me on my Asia trips. Water, sand, rough handling, carrying it with lots of other stuff in the backpack.
NO (!) scratches on the camera lens.
Z3: Scratches on the glass backplane after one day of cautious use, crack in the display glass after listening to loud music for some time, rendering the touchscreen defective. Crack starting at the upper speaker which causes strong vibrations of the phone.
So it seems Sony doesn't care much about using quality glass; might be the same with the camera lens.
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me and my brother have the same problem, after only 2 weeks of use, both phones have the same problem, the camera glass looks very bad! so for me it's clear a material problem. Too bad, becuase the z3 it's really nice!

Chefproll said:
Not really true as it deeply depends of the glass quality...
I've got a Samsung S4, took it with me on my Asia trips. Water, sand, rough handling, carrying it with lots of other stuff in the backpack.
NO (!) scratches on the camera lens.
Z3: Scratches on the glass backplane after one day of cautious use, crack in the display glass after listening to loud music for some time, rendering the touchscreen defective. Crack starting at the upper speaker which causes strong vibrations of the phone.
So it seems Sony doesn't care much about using quality glass; might be the same with the camera lens.
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I don't and I bet the majority of people also don't have these problems. I don't look after my phones either.
The things you describe do not "just happen" as a result of "one day of cautious use" and screens do not crack from listening to music on the pathetic quiet speakers.

Might just be the oleo-phobic layer, which got damaged. Some LG G2s also had that. Rare though.

Try taking a qtip and rub toothpaste on it, it will buffout the scratchesand look brand new, happened to my htc m8

Herei would like to share my experience, i noticed the same problem while agi, normally don'tuse fone camera alot, but noticed lately that it has gone rubbish, search on youtube and different forums everyone refer that toothpaste thing and some even told me about nail polish remover, before starting with the cure it came to my mimd why need clean my hands first before i start cleaning my camera lens,while i was usinghand wipes bought from local shop i attempt ti clean my phone too, accidently i rubbed it on lens too and i noticed they weregoing smoothly i rubbed it gently and yaayyy its gone without doing anything else,
So basically only need a hand wipe to remove those smooth stains from lens,only precaution be gentle to your device.
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I have recently got a little scratch on my camera lens as well, i have look up on the internet and people say use toothpaste to remove the coating that is easily scratched. But I don't think i want to remove that layer of coating (if Z3 D6603 has that coating). Then I found the displex scratch remover, i wonder if this will work on the scratched Z3 camera lens. The scratch is very minor and does not affect the photo quality, but I just want it to be fixed.

Chefproll said:
Not really true as it deeply depends of the glass quality...
I've got a Samsung S4, took it with me on my Asia trips. Water, sand, rough handling, carrying it with lots of other stuff in the backpack.
NO (!) scratches on the camera lens.
Z3: Scratches on the glass backplane after one day of cautious use, crack in the display glass after listening to loud music for some time, rendering the touchscreen defective. Crack starting at the upper speaker which causes strong vibrations of the phone.
So it seems Sony doesn't care much about using quality glass; might be the same with the camera lens.
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Sand and no scratch?!?!?!
https://youtu.be/u-qYMl9T9wQ?t=49

It may also be the anti-reflective coating.
http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-166.html
The LG G2 also for some people had issues where it came off.

look up devil case the company got a lens product to keep the lens safe
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nedooo said:
Sand and no scratch?!?!?!
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Indeed. It's still like new.
But if it comes to the Z3, any scratches of the camera lens might improve the picture quality as the Z3 has the worst camera I ever experienced over the last few years.
It's nothing but a shame.
Have a look at the attachment - that's NO JOKE; it's bitter reality.

Chefproll said:
Indeed. It's still like new.
But if it comes to the Z3, any scratches of the camera lens might improve the picture quality as the Z3 has the worst camera I ever experienced over the last few years.
It's nothing but a shame.
Have a look at the attachment - that's NO JOKE; it's bitter reality.
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Indeed...

Whitestone dome review "A real review"1

Seems like all the "Reviews" are nothing more then install video's of people saying oh its so amazing. But if you dig deeper you will find issues that a proper review would of find easy. So lets review it.
Little about my self. I am and Engineer in the fiber optics industry. I wonk on the absolute faster detectors available. We use UV optical adhesives every day. So needless to say i know a thing or two on this topic.
The concept is great and when done right the best way to attach a screen protector. But this comes at a cost. Cheap out on anything and it will show. So lets look at this.
-Full cover. errrr not really Notch cut for the camera and sensors. Odd because optical adhesive you can go full over and have zero impact on those.
-9H Hardness. "Shakes head" No..Its not. They need to stop claiming this every company. Its not 9H.
-Beveled edges. This is a must. Ask anyone who has one that is not beveled how easy they chip.
-UV curing light is a good design and has plenty of LED's to cure the adhesive. "5w max" Honestly im not seeing those being close to 1w LED's. If people want i'll take apart the light but no heat sinking as far as i can tell. So im guessing 3v 60ma .5w each total max output 3w. And honestly 3w is fine. Its very thin and easy to cure.
Fixture is great and works very well. No complaints on that. Just watch a few videos and read the instructions and you will do fine. The Fixture is well thought out so hats off to engineers who did that.
The ugly. This is where things get bad. This is where you can see the corners that were cut and boy did they cut them.
-Dust removal sticker. Don't use them. Cheap sticker and will leave residue on the screen. Save your self some time and just put them in the trash.
-Cleaning cloth. Not optical quality. Again put it in the trash it will just put stuff on the display. Cheap fabric not a quality optical cleaning cloth.
-Alcohol wipe...Well the directions say that but the wipes included are Ethanol...Please tell me these are not medical grade. If so then they have some additives. Well again trash it and use some 95% or higher Isopropyl alcohol. Make sure no color or sent has been added. You want as pure as you can get.
-Absorption pads. Now i would love to say trash them. But you need them. Make sure you give them a good rub down to remove all the lose fibers on them. And give the long fibers that hang off after a little trim. You do not want one to get under the screen or at the edge.
-Dimples on the underside of the protector. You don't need these. They do nothing but put 4 contact points to your phones display. The adhesive will flow an even coat.
-The worlds cheapest UV adhesive...Guys its bad...Real bad. Give you an idea. In bulk the quality optical adhesive is expensive. Well you get what you pay for or in Whitestone's case you don't get what you do not pay for. I searched and i found the supplier for there adhesive. How cheap is it? Well its $1 per 30ml. Stuff we use is $30 per oz. or 29.9ml. Yup that explains everything. This is why they can give you so much and still keep that price point. But for this you want less but higher quality. Combine that with tubes that are not 100% air tight and you are begging for problems. Also keep in mine UV Adhesive's have a shelf life and exposure to oxygen age them faster.
Lots of people complain about the delamination. This is from bad UV adhesive. Keep in mind you have a bare glass surface you are attaching to a glass surface with an oleophobic coating. This coating does after the adhesion of the adhesive. So you really need the proper quality adhesive. The adhesive they use never fully cures. If you check out my video in the Deamination topic you can see even after curing then putting 200w of UV on it for an addition 20sec with a proper industrial UV curing station it never fully cures. Multiple kits i have tested they all do this. But its $1 per 30ml so what do you expect.
You will see pictures of the optical property's of the adhesive. It is my opinion that it is not optical grade. Also you will see a picture of the delamination.
Overall this is a 4-10. Held back by the extremely low quality UV adhesive. The most important part is the cheapest. This is why they cut the notch in the protector. Because it would affect the caners where a proper optical adhesive would have zero affect. I'm disappointed. This was hyped so much but no one really looked at it. It's a great concept held back by cut corners. The proper adhesive this would be a 8-10. This method with the proper optical grade adhesive could do a true full cover screen protector then it would be a 10/10. But i do not recommend this. Price is to high for the corners that were cut. The adhesive issue really needs to be addressed because i would take a few other protectors over this.
Message to Whitestone.
I tested Adhesives from 3 kits. Results were all the same. All the kits were ordered at different times as 2 were from Amazon and one was direct from you. I have identified this adhesive not long ago and this is typical for it. However if you want to play we only use the highest quality materials card then you can go ahead and send me a tube of it. It can be in the manufacturers tube or the tubes that come in the kits. I do not want another kit im only interested in testing this adhesive and i will give you one chance to test some prior and send it to me. I will then report my finding's on here and make a note of it here. If you would like to work together on finding a cost effective quality optical adhesive i have contacts with not only the distributes for these but also with the companies that make the highest quality optical grade UV adhesives in the industry. I do not want nothing in return i will work with you for free to fix this product so that future phones can benefit from it and i have the option to easily order a quality kit. I want a 100% coverage protector and working together this can be done. There is potential here and it is with the system developed for the install and that is what makes the product stand out. My work has a building in SoCal. I go out there a few times a year and i am more then willing to come visit your office why i am out there and we can talk.
Now i know i will get the "Mines perfect best ever" post. But those post mean nothing. You have not tested the adhesive. I have. You just have not had any issues with it yet and you may never have them. But i went ahead and i tested this. Same results every time and i know what adhesive they use now.

So, would you say this thing is a pass?

Thanks for the detailed review and focusing on everything, not JUST the adhesive.
I still got mine applied to my phone, and well.. it is there. The time it starts wearing off the edges, maybe I will apply the second spare one just because I already bought it. But yeah, a full, really full screen coverage one with perfect optical properties would be awesome to have!

felloffthetruck said:
So, would you say this thing is a pass?
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I won't advise anyone to buy or not to buy this. Thats for you to decide. I'll answer any questions you have thought. I will say that I will not use this for reasons I posted. I won't buy another one until changes are made at the minimum in there selection of adheasive.

Could you point me in the direction of a good adhesive that you would recommend? (That I can buy online)

irieblue said:
Could you point me in the direction of a good adhesive that you would recommend? (That I can buy online)
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Will post that when I finish testing the samples I have.

bignazpwns said:
-Full cover. errrr not really Notch cut for the camera and sensors. Odd because optical adhesive you can go full over and have zero impact on those.
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Me a bit nitpicking here, but...
Weird, the part of optical physics that I learned back ... long ago.. taught quite clearly that if there are any surfaces with different optical properties on each side, it will have an impact. And I'm pretty sure the adhesives do not match (optically) exactly with either glass it touches (let alone both). Whether those effects will be significant enough to be visible in the photos depends on the whole optical path (and sensor's properties), though.
Since none of the surfaces have proper coatings aimed for optical performance (more for anti fingerprint etc.), and especially the protector glass (the internal material, not the coatings) not designed for optics, I'd expect ever so slightly more lens flaring and similar effects. (If there would be a flash LED for the front camera, it could get really messy, but Note 9 seems to use the whole display for front side "flashing", which reduces the spot brightness near the camera lens compared to a LED flash.)
The adhesive filling the space between the phone's glass and protector's glass does make the effect much lesser than with a protector that sits a tiny bit above with a tiny air gap. So in that sense, with these liquid adhesive type protectors, I'd expect the effects to be indeed mostly ignorable. But not zero, per se.
For the other sensors than camera, the effect can be considered zero, since they are measuring mostly (more or less) spatial averages to begin with. A bit of fuzziness doesn't change their results. Hmm. though I don't know how the iris-camera works.
All that said, I'd still say to choose a protector that covers the lens area(s). A single scratch on the phone's glass over the lens can make a worse effect than a protector does.
Also, (me partially countering the point of having an effect): I have currently a really bad example of a protector myself; a normal cheap protector with a typical dot grid on bottom surface, a normal (non-smooth) adhesive even on the area of the front camera lens, not a perfect fit by shape, etc. That is, I can see the non-smooth stuff between the glass layers (when display is black, and on the sensor spots). Yet, the photos come out ok, so things can obviously be pretty darn crappy and still be ok for the front camera needs. Though, I haven't zoomed in or done comparative tests in more challenging lighting situations. (I will do better tests once other protectors arrive; I need to keep this one on for now, for its main task of protecting.)

Nice review, but the whitestone still beats having nothing on the phone. I did the ghetto "whitestone" on my Note 8 using a generic glass protector and LOCA glue bought on Amazon. Served its purpose and protected my phone when I dropped it on a gravel surface. Phone looked brand new when I replaced the glass with a whitestone version because the ghetto glue method was too time consuming to ensure no bubbles. I have installed 4 more whitestone glass screens on mine and others phone with no issues and would not hesitate to recommend it. The issues you bring up have merit, but do not deter the protective elements of the tempered glass screen. I would like a better glue solution as well. But until then, my whitestone paired with a quality case will have to do. So far it does just fine.

Bullitt3309 said:
Nice review, but the whitestone still beats having nothing on the phone. I did the ghetto "whitestone" on my Note 8 using a generic glass protector and LOCA glue bought on Amazon. Served its purpose and protected my phone when I dropped it on a gravel surface. Phone looked brand new when I replaced the glass with a whitestone version because the ghetto glue method was too time consuming to ensure no bubbles. I have installed 4 more whitestone glass screens on mine and others phone with no issues and would not hesitate to recommend it. The issues you bring up have merit, but do not deter the protective elements of the tempered glass screen. I would like a better glue solution as well. But until then, my whitestone paired with a quality case will have to do. So far it does just fine.
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I can't get the same protection from a $12 protector. So how does it beat those in terms of protection? It offers no more protection then any other on the market. Infact the Zag elite offers more protection for the same price. The thicker gel adheasive offers significantly more impact protection. Much harder to put on and remove air bubbles but in terms of protection this is vastly superior. Where zag went wrong is not telling people how soft the adhesive is so they push down on it as hard as they can to get a bubble out and it cracks. And then they had to gimp it with some unnecessary bezzles that cover a bit of the display
Bottom line is the Dome is $20 over priced. The adhesive is trash and the olophobic coating is the worst I have ever seen. No excuses for this on something that sells it's self as premium. It's not. It's the same quality as the $12 Alibaba's and personally I would get one of those. Warranty is nothing since you could still get one on Alibaba shippped for the price you will pay for the warranty replacement. And it uses the same trash adheasive.
When you buy "Loca" it's trash from bad batches that they sell on places like Amazon or Alibaba or to places like Whitestone at a heavy discount because it's defective. So you are already useing a defective product from the start. These are facts. I tested these and posted those info. It's trash they pay $1 per 30ml of those stuff. And they call it Loca because it's not an optical adheasive. It makes it sound fancy because they can't call it a UV optical adheasive. Because it's not optical. But it's "optical cured" so Loca.
Facts are facts. I proven this adheasive is trash and defective from multiple kits. I'll test any of it. Got any left I'll test that Whitestone can send me some I'll test that because I know it's trash and it's from batches that were not mixed right. Multiple people have committed on this issues that's why I started testing this and looking into it because what they had in the prictures we seen before. Hell I can tell you exactly what is wrong with it. However working with a supplier when we had that issue I signed a NDA as part of them telling us every detail about it. Because we needed to know why it did that, when it started, how to test for it, how it will be fixed etc.
Like I said. If you use it and like it that's great. No problems with it that's even better. Get a case drop it face down. On a hard surface so it only hits the case then protector is unsupported and you will have delamination. I did this as part of the big testing video I'm doing for this. 2 drops it started.
Also I'm willing to work with them. All my test data as well as some samples I'll send to them or take to then when I'm in California. I love there install method and it will be a home run when the corners that we're cut are fixed. They pay $1 per 30ml of adheasive I can get them a bulk order that ends up being $1.75 per 30ml if they buy bulk lots. That's optical grade I'll send them the contract info and the sales rep I know for there. Use that and it's fixed. I tested that adheasive on this also and it works just like it should. I really want them to improve it.
As of right now now on my desk I have 35 different uv optical adheasives and more on the way. One manufacturer is even making a custom adheasive to test for this application. This all started as a simple test it and see what's wrong with it but due to all the people asking it's gotten much bigger. I hope Whitestone reaches out to me and I can get them the test information I have so they can improve the product.

Hi, I have been following your findings and it is an interesting matter for me at least.
Anyway, I wanted to write an update about my using the Gear VR with the default Whitedome / adhesive installation.
Previously I mentioned I got the "bubbles / webbing" permanently at the very bottom part of the protector, on a central area right above the USB connector (about 10mm wide, 1mm tal), after having the Whitedome applied and using the GearVR on the next day. Now it has been a couple of weeks maybe, and the bubbles part is still there (size unchanged apparently).
What I want to add is, something a bit unexpected (for me) happened: I used the Gear VR again yesterday (several days after the Whitedome installation) for around one hour, and and after taking the phone off, there were MORE bubbles / webbing in a different area, almost horizontally oval in shape, around 1.5cm wide by 0.8cm high. It was positioned about 2cm ABOVE the early thin stripe of bubbles, completely separate from it (not a continuation). I was pissed off because THIS was on top of the screen and obstructiong the image, really annoying. As it was late I decided to just go to sleep and deal with it when I had some free time. But to my surprise it was COMPLETELY GONE this morning. The previous thin mark at the bottom remains. But I can see no trace whatsoever of the "new" affected region..

gamekill said:
Hi, I have been following your findings and it is an interesting matter for me at least.
Anyway, I wanted to write an update about my using the Gear VR with the default Whitedome / adhesive installation.
Previously I mentioned I got the "bubbles / webbing" permanently at the very bottom part of the protector, on a central area right above the USB connector (about 10mm wide, 1mm tal), after having the Whitedome applied and using the GearVR on the next day. Now it has been a couple of weeks maybe, and the bubbles part is still there (size unchanged apparently).
What I want to add is, something a bit unexpected (for me) happened: I used the Gear VR again yesterday (several days after the Whitedome installation) for around one hour, and and after taking the phone off, there were MORE bubbles / webbing in a different area, almost horizontally oval in shape, around 1.5cm wide by 0.8cm high. It was positioned about 2cm ABOVE the early thin stripe of bubbles, completely separate from it (not a continuation). I was pissed off because THIS was on top of the screen and obstructiong the image, really annoying. As it was late I decided to just go to sleep and deal with it when I had some free time. But to my surprise it was COMPLETELY GONE this morning. The previous thin mark at the bottom remains. But I can see no trace
whatsoever of the "new" affected region..
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That's delamination from defective uv adheasive. As in my video you can see it cures about 50% and then still leaves some wet uncureable adheasive behind and is in some cases acting as an indexing gel. The delamination is still there you will need a microscope to see but masked by that adheasive that's wet acting as an indexing gel.
I got a gear VR on the way. It's on loan from a user to test it with another adheasive. I'll test this and see how it holds up. Run the phone hot and do multiple install and removals then do a few battery drains why it's in the vr. Glad this is a work phone and not my personal phone.

I actually find the oleophobic coating of the whitestone to be very good.
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harlenm said:
I actually find the oleophobic coating of the whitestone to be very good.
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Yeah same here.

sefrcoko said:
Yeah same here.
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Then it's more product inconsistency. Friend said his is holding up ok. I know mine had scraches in it after a few hours. And one of them out of the box had a burn in the coating as well as a deep scrach deeper then the olophobic.

Any product recommendation or where we can get the good loca glue?

I personally would be interested in a tube of high quality adhesive if anyone is able to source some. Perhaps the OP would be able to point us to a supplier?

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Then it's more product inconsistency. Friend said his is holding up ok. I know mine had scraches in it after a few hours. And one of them out of the box had a burn in the coating as well as a deep scrach deeper then the olophobic.
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Ouch that looks rough. Never had those issues on multiple protectors but inconsistency does happen of course with all products. If they don't provide adequate service or replacement though, well then that's a different issue

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Ouch that looks rough. Never had those issues on multiple protectors but inconsistency does happen of course with all products. If they don't provide adequate service or replacement though, well then that's a different issue
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I posted this before. I will say Whitestone sent out a replacement kit for it for free and we're very easy to deal with and gave me very fast responses. So the service is great even though people say it's bad my experience was great. I reached out to them on Facebook and not via website so maybe Facebook is the way to go. And I noted all that when I made that post.
I would do the same for the adhesive but I know they can send out 1,000 kits they will all have this issue because the Adheasive used is from defective batches that had issues with the mixing process. I mean it works...but you will never get a full cure and will have issues under the right conditions and those are relatively common. But some people may never experience this.
But all of them so far have had pretty bad olophobic coating's. One is like it had none at all. One had the coating burned "pic in the previous post" and 2 just meh. Nothing great. But that's fine because I use the leftover ceramic coating I used for my car on my screens since it's better and thicker so I usually get over a year and 1/2 before I see any decrease in preformance. But this Stull is around $400 for a small bottle for a car and after not much is left. But Walmart sells a few kits. One is a great kit and only $12. If people wanna know what kit I'll let you know. Around here only one a almao had this kit in stock. "gerogia" the rest had other brands.

I'm one of the 'lucky' ones who has had no problems whatsoever. Going on three months and still getting compliments on how nice my screen looks. It's like I don't have a screen protector on at all.

I'm completely dissapointed from Whitestone.
I have been using it for weeks and yesterday, (all of a sudden) the tempered glass started to have a small line in the left edge of the phone and it seems like it is kinda lifted.
Unfortunately, the company wont help me, because I didnt bought it from their authorised stores
https://ibb.co/9s7jcV7

Screen protector discussion

I think I just ran into my first real problem with the phone. I got a glass screen protector on Amazon, and it absolutely refuses to recognize my fingerprint with the glass on it. The error just keeps telling me to press harder. I never had any issue before without one on.
Took the screen protector off, and now it's back to normal.
I have each thumb trained twice, so recognition shouldn't be a problem at all. I think it's just too thick and it isn't sensing enough pressure to register the fingerprint.
Anyone find a good screen protector that works with fingerprint? I may have to go with a plastic one that won't be as thick as glass.

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I think I just ran into my first real problem with the phone. I got a glass screen protector on Amazon, and it absolutely refuses to recognize my fingerprint with the glass on it.
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This is disappointing. When I first looked into this, I found someone claiming to have tested the Oneplus 6T fingerprint sensor with 3 screen protectors on top of each other. I concluded it was not an issue. But now I am seeing plently or articles suggesting that it depends. E.g. "Vivo did mention that only screen protectors of a certain thickness will work with the sensor". I wonder if Nokia will offer or recommend a screen protector.
Also, I don't know if Nokia are using the same sensor as Oneplus, but this is interesting: "[when registering] make sure your environment is not too bright. If possible, you should register a fingerprint in a completely dark environment."
Edit, also spotted this: "We also recommend re-registering your fingerprint every time you add or remove a screen protector."

So as an update, I applied the second screen protector that came in the 2-pack. Removed all of my fingerprints that were stored, and tried to setup new prints.
Took me about 200 tries to get my right thumb registered (not exaggerating), but I couldn't get it to actually read when trying to activate it.
Couldn't get my left thumb to register at all. Just kept saying to press harder. I was pressing so hard I thought I'd break the screen if I pushed harder.
Tried in bright light, as well as a completely dark room. Didn't change the ability for it to register at all.
So overall for this phone, I'm going to say glass screen protectors won't reliably work with the fingerprint scanner. I've ordered a plastic screen protector. Going to try that out, as I'm pretty sure it will work.
I imagine the thickness of glass is the culprit here, due to how the fingerprint sensor works even without a screen protector applied. It seems more difficult to activate than other in-display readers (I have 3 others with in-display readers and they're all incredibly easy to use).

Fingerprint issues aside, I normally go for glass screen protectors because the plastic ones tend to cause more drag when using the phone.
I have generally seen two models. One which is clear and another which has a black border, both with cutouts for sensors, cameras and speakers.
I'm unable to add a link as I'm new to the forums but both examples can be seen on Amazon by searching 'GEEMEE 9h nokia 9 pureview'
Has anyone bought these or similar protectors?
I am interested to know if the black border one covers any part of the screen. I think it looks better on the pictures but in real life I'm not sure how it would look.

I got the Mr.Shield 9h glass and it works fine. The issue with the fingerprint is a software issue. The warning to press harder is not correct. I've verified that the reader will read with normal to light pressure. Hopefully they will release an update that fixes it within the next couple months.

MoseMan said:
Fingerprint issues aside, I normally go for glass screen protectors because the plastic ones tend to cause more drag when using the phone.
I have generally seen two models. One which is clear and another which has a black border, both with cutouts for sensors, cameras and speakers.
I'm unable to add a link as I'm new to the forums but both examples can be seen on Amazon by searching 'GEEMEE 9h nokia 9 pureview'
Has anyone bought these or similar protectors?
I am interested to know if the black border one covers any part of the screen. I think it looks better on the pictures but in real life I'm not sure how it would look.
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I just got the screen protector with the black borders, and it doesn't cover any part of the screen. I think it looks good. But I was a bit sloppy when I applied it and one of the corners has an air bubble which I can't get rid of.
But since I applied it, the fingerprint scanner is causing me problems. It has problems recognizing my prints

Zurion said:
I just got the screen protector with the black borders, and it doesn't cover any part of the screen. I think it looks good. But I was a bit sloppy when I applied it and one of the corners has an air bubble which I can't get rid of.
But since I applied it, the fingerprint scanner is causing me problems. It has problems recognizing my prints
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I ended up going for a clear one tempered glass protector. I have a couple of tiny bubbles which was just me rushing as I was excited.
The finger print sensor works fine as long as I get my finger in the correct place but that is a challenge. My thumb is more difficult but still possible. It hasn't been a massive burden though because I have been using face and trusted bluetooth device to good effect.

OnePlus 7 pro main camera glass wiggles

Hi guys,
Can you do a quick check with your devices?
How does it feel the main camera glass? How does it fits? (Is it uniform and leveled all the way? Or is some a part slightly higher than the rest?)
I mean, I can see that mine isn't all uniformly placed on is notch. And if I press the glass I can see that isn't properly solid, since it goes down with the pressure of my finger.
Is this normal? I'm still in time of sending it back, but I would like to know if someone else has a similar experience.
Thank you

Ois causes the movement
And there is layers of glass on the camera which can explain why

Well, I would expect the layer of glass to not move when pressured. But maybe it's a normal thing after all