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this is how you can enjoy using the p40 even without google app huge list alternative

i wanted to paste the guide here but xda is not accepting my doc formatting please see the guide here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13X_ZZELINL5jIJZTcpPDRsmIGQ7cYMy6nuahJQJ5DzE/

Nice guide - albeit I couldn't overlook the irony of using Google Docs here!

Nice document. For me though it's not really the Google apps that I can't substitue, I hardly use any anyway. It's mainly apps that don't work because of GMS.

i have to say that having had this phone for a few days and trying to use it without play services it was becoming a struggle for me.
I downloaded as many of my apps i use from the app store and 3rd party sites but its just not the same. I forgot how much information i had stored with google like passwords and login details etc.
I managed to install the play services yesterday and so far everything seems fine, no errors and everything i used on other android devices available and working. Dont think i would have kept it otherwise even though the build quality and specs are amazing.
For those of you in doubt who have been a long time android user its really worth the effort with the installation.

hpsauce37 said:
I managed to install the play services yesterday and so far everything seems fine, no errors and everything i used on other android devices available and working. Dont think i would have kept it otherwise even though the build quality and specs are amazing.
For those of you in doubt who have been a long time android user its really worth the effort with the installation.
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Which guide did you follow? I see one on XDA and other ones floating around the web. Did you run into any issues or did the guide works step by step?

I followed the one on here which does not use a usb you plug in the phone. The video is in German and a but hard to follow at times and did face a few issues but I think that was because I had missed a step. I then found a similar video on YouTube that had some English on it and managed to figure it out.

Search an app called 'MoreAPP' in AppGalary, it has the apps you are missing.
there is one called 'Youtube Vanced' which doesn't require GMS

rambits said:
Search an app called 'MoreAPP' in AppGalary, it has the apps you are missing.
there is one called 'Youtube Vanced' which doesn't require GMS
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But you won't be able to sign in without gms in YouTube vanced

ptlsajan said:
But you won't be able to sign in without gms in YouTube vanced
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You can sign into YouTube Vanced without GMS. You just need to install MicroG. Not root required too.

steveli92 said:
You can sign into YouTube Vanced without GMS. You just need to install MicroG. Not root required too.
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I tried that with OGyoutube and login in with microg service wasnt possible for me

hpsauce37 said:
I followed the one on here which does not use a usb you plug in the phone. The video is in German and a but hard to follow at times and did face a few issues but I think that was because I had missed a step. I then found a similar video on YouTube that had some English on it and managed to figure it out.
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I followed the same guide and everything but the notifications works. Only notifications from a few apps work. All apps that require the Google services to get the notifications (about 85% for me) do not seem to work.

I too didn't managed to login with MicroG and without GMS...

Think it would be useful to update the list to include apps e.g. works 100% (Facebook) works ok but no notifications (BBC News) or does not work at all (eBay, The Athletic).
The more digging that I do the more it seems that other than getting some of the core Google apps to work the difference between using a P40 Pro with and without the GPS hack is actually quite minimal as I understand that the hack may help you say get Photos working but it will not help you get all of the notifications that still rely on GPS?

arsenal74 said:
Think it would be useful to update the list to include apps e.g. works 100% (Facebook) works ok but no notifications (BBC News) or does not work at all (eBay, The Athletic).
The more digging that I do the more it seems that other than getting some of the core Google apps to work the difference between using a P40 Pro with and without the GPS hack is actually quite minimal as I understand that the hack may help you say get Photos working but it will not help you get all of the notifications that still rely on GPS?
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It's funny that you mentioned eBay and The Athletic as they are two apps that I use quite regularly and am having the same issue - is there any way around this without installing GMS?
My P40 Pro only arrived a couple of days ago and I really like the look and feel of it but the notifications thing is already bugging me. Currently, I'm only HMS (no micro-G or GMS) but not being able to get notifications from the stock email app (my account is Gmail) or news notifications from BBC etc. is a real flag for me...

Tmel14 said:
I'm only HMS (no micro-G or GMS) but not being able to get notifications from the stock email app (my account is Gmail) or news notifications from BBC etc. is a real flag for me...
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install microG and move on .. notifications are completely screwed on HMS-naked .. even Huawei App Gallery apps are screwed-up with notifications .. very strange that this is often overlooked in the P40 Pro reviews ... how can you answer a skype call if the app never rings with a notification?

What's it like to live with day to day?

I currently have an S20 Ultra that I am very close to returning while I still can (Exynos and camera) I have wanted the P40 pro (or Mate 30 pro) ever since they were announced but just wrote them off due to the lack of Google.
The thing is though I'd be totally ok with a lot about life without Google, I use a 3rd party email app, I could easily switch my contacts and calendar back to iCloud and rarely watch netflix on my phone. So then it just comes down to the no google pay and the potential faff to work around not having Google Photos.
My question is for those that have it how are finding it day to day? Are the limitations a frustration too far or does it work for you?

arsenal74 said:
I currently have an S20 Ultra that I am very close to returning while I still can (Exynos and camera) I have wanted the P40 pro (or Mate 30 pro) ever since they were announced but just wrote them off due to the lack of Google.
The thing is though I'd be totally ok with a lot about life without Google, I use a 3rd party email app, I could easily switch my contacts and calendar back to iCloud and rarely watch netflix on my phone. So then it just comes down to the no google pay and the potential faff to work around not having Google Photos.
My question is for those that have it how are finding it day to day? Are the limitations a frustration too far or does it work for you?
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If you can live with some compromises, then it's an amazing phone. The Camera is phenomenal, the battery life is great, and apps and games run super smooth.
Getting GMS up and working is a straight forward process, but be prepared to do it a few times to get it right (it took me about 6 attempts to get it fully working with no notifications and app errors etc) and follow the steps precisely. Obviously, it's still not going to be as smooth a Googley and app experience as your Samsung, missing G-Pay, G-Music and a few others may or may not be crucial to you. Plus many apps won’t give notifications - but I don't mind this so much it's quite nice not having random notifications all day and only getting them when i open the app and actually want to see - I predominantly use Whatsapp and notifications work fine here.
I did try a few days without Google services, but the App Gallery really is terrible. It might have 45000 apps, but 44950 are awful. Downloading apps from elsewhere works, but many apps crash with a 'No google services' type error. So, for me the compromise of having some stuff work with GMS is the better option and the rest of the phone makes it worthwhile.

Thanks, how would you feel if sideloading GPS was not possible? Strikes me that that would have to be my assumption going in as whatever loophole allows it could get closed at any time.

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Thanks, how would you feel if sideloading GPS was not possible? Strikes me that that would have to be my assumption going in as whatever loophole allows it could get closed at any time.
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Personally I only installed GMS out of the "urge" to tinker with my phone. I love that stuff. But honestly, I wouldn't mind not having Google services on my phone, there are enough alternatives on the Huawei App Gallery. For me, at least. Everyone is different. Check out some of the posts on here or reddit where people list some good Google apps alternatives. Like
Gmail = Bluemail or Aquamail.
Google Maps = Here WeGo or Maps.me
etc.
And you're right about the loophole possibly getting closed. That's why I wouldn't recommend this phone to people who are heavily dependent on Gapps. But if you can live without them, then just buy it! It's a great phone and I'm very satisfied with it, so far.

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Thanks, how would you feel if sideloading GPS was not possible? Strikes me that that would have to be my assumption going in as whatever loophole allows it could get closed at any time.
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I think that it would still be a great phone, I'm sure i could cope with downloading APKs using ApkPure etc, but it would be less attractive. Really hoping the workarounds still work when the Pro+ version arrives!
On a side note, i said on the above post that it took many attempts to get GMS fully working with no errors. Yesterday evening I had a meltdown and accidentally removed my Google account and it was not possible to re-add it, so i backed up my stuff and reset the phone. I followed the steps from Swag Sell's 7th May video on YouTube (using the same files as always) and it worked first time with no errors and took about 20 minutes, I think as people refine the processes and steps it gets more accurate.

On the google side it is only really google photos that would bug me as I use that, I could live without google pay. Email would not be a problem, other than that it would just be not getting notifications for other apps. I actually think there are some plus points of being google free!
I am really tempted as the camera on the S20 Ultra is just a let-down (the hardware is there but I have no confidence Samsung will get the software right) I really liked the P30 pro and am actually considering getting another but the P40 pro just looks like a really good device.

I like my P40 Pro a lot but I'm waiting for improvements in the camera department.
The phone is fast, stable, looks great, feels great and has good battery life.
I don't really trust my privacy in the hands of big US tech companies, so it's nice to break free from Google. The only Google apps I sideloaded are YouTube Vanced and Google Maps. I tried other GPS applications but unfortunately none really lived up to GMaps, even Waze. So I'm using GMaps without GMS which means no saved/starred places etc, but that's ok with me. As an alternative, I'm saving my search history locally on the device and I created home screen shortcuts (GMap widget) for addresses that I want to "save".

H-Emmanuel said:
I like my P40 Pro a lot but I'm waiting for improvements in the camera department.
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Really? Camera would be the main driver for me getting this phone.
I assume banking apps are a no no too?

I think I am going to give the P40 Pro a try, Amazon have a pretty good deal including the watch, do have one final question..
For those who have managed to install GPS how safe do you feel? i.e. if you were able to get your banking apps working or PayPal would you be happy using them? Only ask as the method obviously involves installing stuff from unknown sources.
I am on the fence of accepting I will not get my banking apps or google photos and going the app clone, app gallery route and finding a workaround for photos.

arsenal74 said:
Really? Camera would be the main driver for me getting this phone.
I assume banking apps are a no no too?
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The current camera app doesn't unleash the camera's full potential.
Some banking apps work, others don't, there's no hard rule.

Bit disappointed so far ... I have not installed any GMS mods .. just cloned some apps and installed from apkpure, amazon app store, etc.
1. call earspeaker volume is low
2. call speaker volume is low
3. no AOD weather & music controls
4. notifications missing for most side-loaded apps (whatsapp ok, skype + others are a fail)
5. notifications disappear after unlocking (usual huawei thing)
6. amazon photos app crashes
7. gestural nav quick app switcher is supported with an option but doesnt seem to work.
That's about it for now.
(4) is critical .. the others I can probably overlook for a while.

Ok I pulled the trigger and it arrived today. So far I have just used phone clone, app gallery and Amazon/APKPure, early days but so far it feels quite seamless.
Not had a chance to form an opinion on how good the phone is overall other than it feels really nice in the hand but my experience/observations in terms of what is working and not so far are as follows:
- All of my non-google apps transfered over just fine other than Uber and eBay
- Installed eBay from apkpure but it does not work.
- Lastpass works fine with none of the errors or pop-ups I have seen mentioned elsewhere
- My First Direct Banking app also works fine and appears so far as normal as does PayPal
- Newton Mail, gives a GPS error but does work ok, no notifications though. May have to go back to Nine or try another app
- Nova Launcher works ok and Nova Prime app also transfered over. Nova Google companion does not seem to work though
Early days and some of the above could change and go wrong but so far I am not feeling the temptation to install GPS.

Google Photos yuo can use in browser. Full functionality with Google account. Also almost all other things are usable in browser or you can download app via Apk Pure... for example. The camera with the latest update ... . 121 is super. And I had for a few days Note 10 and also S20 but battery life was terrible. And the camera here is simply the best, and so so smooth and fast user experience.

Update Amazon photos crashes constantly, not a fan of the browser route as it feels quite clunky so am going to try piktures.

Surely the lack of notifications is an issue for you?

WhatsApp notifications work just fine as does obviously SMS.
Still looking for email, outlook seems hit and miss but notifications are coming through on it. I have used nine before but obviously no way of carrying through my purchase.
I think the key is identifying apps that do not reply on GPS to work.
I am going to persevere a bit before trying to install GPS, only because it looks a faff and is also not a one-of job. I’ll see how I feel after a few days. WhatsApp, email and sms are the must haves, the others can follow hopefully.
The camera is very very good, tested it briefly against my ultra and indoors it is just no contest. I’m sure outside in good light it is a personal preference thing but in mid to low light so far it seems streets ahead.
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arsenal74 said:
I’ll see how I feel after a few days. WhatsApp, email and sms are the must haves, the others can follow hopefully.
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yes .. it's close to being acceptable for me with whatsapp working ... really just skype is the problem for my must haves .. the others are not so critical ... i can use calendars etc from HAG.
such a hassle to go back to google services just for skype.

Can you continue to use your game progress saved with Google Play? I refuse to use Facebook to save my progress, so Play is the only way I can keep my progress.

Google is not android, GMS Core App alternatives, Some suggestions please add :)

So having had the p40 pro and seen threads all over XDA about what are the alternatives i thought id share what i've found.
So for gmail, i've used the email app preinstalled (which does the same job)
google maps, I saw a post about here we go maps, so i've used that and it does exactly the same thing, i guess as the roads dont change and to be honest i found the speedometer element on it to be more accurate as I used my wifes s10 (as i got no other cellular GMS device) to compare GMS maps vs HMS maps and using the digital speedo in the car, so that was quite interesting.
google docs, I'm simply using what I've always used which is Microsoft office and for me I find it easier to use i guess its because its what I've always used.
Youtube, well for this i just added it as a short cut to my home screen, Even though its not an app i really use to be fair unless im on a tablet.
Playstore, Ive adjusted to appgallery and the petal search app which compliments it really well, yes you can use apkpure & aptoid etc however im just sticking to that.
I mean the misconception that android is google is crazy, I stepped away from the chains of IOS sometime ago for the reason I wanted freedom of apks, RIP showbox.
However if you've found alternatives to other google apps it could be handy, this is from what i use but for the time being ive not needed the use of any other apps as im still on lockdown in Wales.
let me know
Scott

Unfortunately lots of apps require google services. Some banking apps, some browser apps, etc. The problem is not limited to just chrome, maps, drive, youtube, etc. It is far broader and the user wouldn't know if he might have a problem unless he tried all apps that he needs without google services in order to find out which ones don't work.
From my point of view Microsoft has lots of google apps alternatives - onedrive, onenote, etc. Also YouTube which is critical for a lot of users can be used normally by installing YouTube Vanced.
I hope that some good and easy methods of installing google services show up or the Huawei ban is lifted.

There already many of these threads. .. bit hard for people to use when everything is just buried in hundreds of posts.

EatSleepTechRepeat said:
So having had the p40 pro and seen threads all over XDA about what are the alternatives i thought id share what i've found.
So for gmail, i've used the email app preinstalled (which does the same job)
google maps, I saw a post about here we go maps, so i've used that and it does exactly the same thing, i guess as the roads dont change and to be honest i found the speedometer element on it to be more accurate as I used my wifes s10 (as i got no other cellular GMS device) to compare GMS maps vs HMS maps and using the digital speedo in the car, so that was quite interesting.
google docs, I'm simply using what I've always used which is Microsoft office and for me I find it easier to use i guess its because its what I've always used.
Youtube, well for this i just added it as a short cut to my home screen, Even though its not an app i really use to be fair unless im on a tablet.
Playstore, Ive adjusted to appgallery and the petal search app which compliments it really well, yes you can use apkpure & aptoid etc however im just sticking to that.
I mean the misconception that android is google is crazy, I stepped away from the chains of IOS sometime ago for the reason I wanted freedom of apks, RIP showbox.
However if you've found alternatives to other google apps it could be handy, this is from what i use but for the time being ive not needed the use of any other apps as im still on lockdown in Wales.
let me know
Scott
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You are right, and for banking apps you can simply add the website to homescreen, also google maps is a PWA and runs great as a desktop shortcut! I did a lot of this with windows phone and had no issues whatsoever, google is not the be all and end all of mobile phones!

xchatter said:
Unfortunately lots of apps require google services. Some banking apps, some browser apps, etc. The problem is not limited to just chrome, maps, drive, youtube, etc. It is far broader and the user wouldn't know if he might have a problem unless he tried all apps that he needs without google services in order to find out which ones don't work.
From my point of view Microsoft has lots of google apps alternatives - onedrive, onenote, etc. Also YouTube which is critical for a lot of users can be used normally by installing YouTube Vanced.
I hope that some good and easy methods of installing google services show up or the Huawei ban is lifted.
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Onedrive is good or Yandex.disk

ive got a p40 pro and I use petal search ive found the odd one that tells me I need GMS then I press ok and it carries on as normal, happens with my playsration messages app but once I hit the ok button im good

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There already many of these threads. .. bit hard for people to use when everything is just buried in hundreds of posts.
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I would guess as its a bit of a hot topic considering the change from GMS to HMS? and with consumers like us trying to either learn or teach there will always be a tonne of posts?

Wakawaka89 said:
ive got a p40 pro and I use petal search ive found the odd one that tells me I need GMS then I press ok and it carries on as normal, happens with my playsration messages app but once I hit the ok button im good
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Yeah ive found the same on certain apps, I had it when I phone cloned the tube app across but yeah works a treat , I guess its a download / transfer it across and see kinda thing.

machina77 said:
You are right, and for banking apps you can simply add the website to homescreen, also google maps is a PWA and runs great as a desktop shortcut! I did a lot of this with windows phone and had no issues whatsoever, google is not the be all and end all of mobile phones!
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Exactly, I've taken the mindset of 'there is always a way' and turns out 99% of the time there is!

EatSleepTechRepeat said:
I would guess as its a bit of a hot topic considering the change from GMS to HMS? and with consumers like us trying to either learn or teach there will always be a tonne of posts?
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Some sort of structured spreadsheet.. Maybe Wikipedia lol
But yea.. Probably a bit hard to coordinate and Huawei should really develop

EatSleepTechRepeat said:
So having had the p40 pro and seen threads all over XDA about what are the alternatives i thought id share what i've found.
So for gmail, i've used the email app preinstalled (which does the same job)
google maps, I saw a post about here we go maps, so i've used that and it does exactly the same thing, i guess as the roads dont change and to be honest i found the speedometer element on it to be more accurate as I used my wifes s10 (as i got no other cellular GMS device) to compare GMS maps vs HMS maps and using the digital speedo in the car, so that was quite interesting.
google docs, I'm simply using what I've always used which is Microsoft office and for me I find it easier to use i guess its because its what I've always used.
Youtube, well for this i just added it as a short cut to my home screen, Even though its not an app i really use to be fair unless im on a tablet.
Playstore, Ive adjusted to appgallery and the petal search app which compliments it really well, yes you can use apkpure & aptoid etc however im just sticking to that.
I mean the misconception that android is google is crazy, I stepped away from the chains of IOS sometime ago for the reason I wanted freedom of apks, RIP showbox.
However if you've found alternatives to other google apps it could be handy, this is from what i use but for the time being ive not needed the use of any other apps as im still on lockdown in Wales.
let me know
Scott
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I've found to youtube. And I have my account connected there. So everything is synched. My p40 pro is without GMS. I only have youtube. And the best part is that it is premium and for free .
It is called vanced youtube....
I've come across it I believe on some XDA forum....

You lucky guys. I must go with gms on My p40 pro for now. Only because of one App, and thats My banking App from N26. In webpage i can't make money Transfers. The App is needed to Do this. I wrote to the N26 Support if they had Plans to offer the App in the App gallery, but they had Till now no Plans to Do that.
If anyone had a solution for this, i'm open for all.

Aurora store - an open source Google Play app that doesn't need GMS.
Microsoft Office - its far more usable than Google Docs
One Drive - works well especially if you have an office 365 subscription and it'll backup photos
There are a bunch of youtube apps on XDA that adblock and run in the background too....

P40 Pro with HMS, No GMS

Hello everyone,
So i have been posting about banking apps how to get them and other apps. I have noticed a lot of people side loading GMS or trying to and was wondering why?
I don't have GMS on my device, I'm happily using HMS as the two are not built to run together. I have all my banking apps, social media, games ect on HMS via Phone clone, App Gallery and Petal search. I still use my Gmail via the Huawei email apps no problems.
Would love everyone's feedback as to why the need for GMS?

I have been temped to load it on myself. The issue for me would be my ease of use with all the apps under one store and not having to rely on your banking to come across from previous phone. Also with the GMS again it is the ease of use knowing I can log on my laptop after and it is synced over, Youtube is a big thing for many people aswell. I used Vanced, which is good but i can't log in and subscribe to channels i am a fan of also it doesn't hold the place in the video you are watching if you need to close the app for various reasons.

I have also considered a side load but tbh there's nothing on gms I that I don't already have on my p3
40 Pro.

When I cross refrenced the Google Services I actually only ever used Photos, Maps and YouTube
For me having these replacements from the get go on my Huawei P40 Pro was a easy transition - Huawei Cloud, Here We Go and YVLR
HMS is bigger and better than I thought, Android OS has helped massively.

ChrisHtube said:
Hello everyone,
So i have been posting about banking apps how to get them and other apps. I have noticed a lot of people side loading GMS or trying to and was wondering why?
I don't have GMS on my device, I'm happily using HMS as the two are not built to run together. I have all my banking apps, social media, games ect on HMS via Phone clone, App Gallery and Petal search. I still use my Gmail via the Huawei email apps no problems.
Would love everyone's feedback as to why the need for GMS?
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YouTube and PlayStore and Barclays are the only sticking points and reasons why I'd want it to be honest!

ChrisHtube said:
Hello everyone,
So i have been posting about banking apps how to get them and other apps. I have noticed a lot of people side loading GMS or trying to and was wondering why?
I don't have GMS on my device, I'm happily using HMS as the two are not built to run together. I have all my banking apps, social media, games ect on HMS via Phone clone, App Gallery and Petal search. I still use my Gmail via the Huawei email apps no problems.
Would love everyone's feedback as to why the need for GMS?
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I am perfectly happy living within Huawei's ecosystem

So Barclays is a go to for me and to have it on my P40 Pro would be amazing I am currently using the weblink saved to device but find myself using Barclays official app on my Huawei M5, I hope Barclays can devolp an app for HMS this side of the year.
GMS is no big requirement for myself I looked at the GMS folder and only every use Photos, Maps and YT all of these have a workaround on HMS, goodbye GMS hello HMS.

dw9075n said:
I have been temped to load it on myself. The issue for me would be my ease of use with all the apps under one store and not having to rely on your banking to come across from previous phone. Also with the GMS again it is the ease of use knowing I can log on my laptop after and it is synced over, Youtube is a big thing for many people aswell. I used Vanced, which is good but i can't log in and subscribe to channels i am a fan of also it doesn't hold the place in the video you are watching if you need to close the app for various reasons.
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Hi, so i would say best approach for a lot of this is,
1 Download petal search, this gives you access to many app stores via one application. Making life easy.
2 Use Huawei ID which you can set up in settings, this allows you to do the same thing you can access your device from a laptop and pull over all the info from your phone which is cool.
3 The banking app i wouldn't say is a massive thing in regards to using Phone Clone, most people will use this app when setting up there new phone to pull your data over. So its not adding any more steps in for set up.
4 I personally just use the browser for YouTube and save it as a shortcut to my home screen. You can log in and when you switch window it saves your place on the video, so if you need to send a text ect this is perfect.
I hope this helps

Tech_Droid1 said:
So Barclays is a go to for me and to have it on my P40 Pro would be amazing I am currently using the weblink saved to device but find myself using Barclays official app on my Huawei M5, I hope Barclays can devolp an app for HMS this side of the year.
GMS is no big requirement for myself I looked at the GMS folder and only every use Photos, Maps and YT all of these have a workaround on HMS, goodbye GMS hello HMS.[/QUOTE
This big thing i think people are missing is, people swap from IOS to Android every day. They swap from one system to another one, now there's a third option. And if you have seen IOS 14 they are looking to adopt 3rd party apps which is what HMS already offers.
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ChrisHtube said:
Hi, so i would say best approach for a lot of this is,
1 Download petal search, this gives you access to many app stores via one application. Making life easy.
2 Use Huawei ID which you can set up in settings, this allows you to do the same thing you can access your device from a laptop and pull over all the info from your phone which is cool.
3 The banking app i wouldn't say is a massive thing in regards to using Phone Clone, most people will use this app when setting up there new phone to pull your data over. So its not adding any more steps in for set up.
4 I personally just use the browser for YouTube and save it as a shortcut to my home screen. You can log in and when you switch window it saves your place on the video, so if you need to send a text ect this is perfect.
I hope this helps
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Yeah this is pretty helpful thanks. Just the ease of a Youtube app that i can login on.

Tech_Droid1 said:
When I cross refrenced the Google Services I actually only ever used Photos, Maps and YouTube
For me having these replacements from the get go on my Huawei P40 Pro was a easy transition - Huawei Cloud, Here We Go and YVLR
HMS is bigger and better than I thought, Android OS has helped massively.
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Huawei have done a good job at making the transition easier for user coming from GMS Huawei or other phones like IOS or Android ect. There are easy work arounds for everything and if you love having complete control HMS is 100% what you want.

dw9075n said:
Yeah this is pretty helpful thanks. Just the ease of a Youtube app that i can login on.
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handy indeed, thank you

JaiHamilton88 said:
handy indeed, thank you
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Browser or Youtube Vanced are good options.
I have GMS installed for a couple of minor local apps but the majority works fine with HMS give it a bit and i will remove GMS.
My only gripe for now would be Android Auto which i use daily.

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I have a mate 20 pro I am using outlook and my main apps are Twitter Instagram YouTube what's app and telegram I am not interested in Google maps there are better alternatives and i store my photos in cloud Huawei . If I use the phone bare HMS am I going to have notification issues ? I have no issue using phone clone petal search and apkpure or even Amazon you think I should upgrade I'm on the UK can you get YouTube Vanced to get notifications . My bank is Monzo I heard the app works I understand Pay won't work not that bothered if Monzo works
Do I upgrade from my mate 20 pro

ChrisHtube said:
Tech_Droid1 said:
So Barclays is a go to for me and to have it on my P40 Pro would be amazing I am currently using the weblink saved to device but find myself using Barclays official app on my Huawei M5, I hope Barclays can devolp an app for HMS this side of the year.
GMS is no big requirement for myself I looked at the GMS folder and only every use Photos, Maps and YT all of these have a workaround on HMS, goodbye GMS hello HMS.[/QUOTE
This big thing i think people are missing is, people swap from IOS to Android every day. They swap from one system to another one, now there's a third option. And if you have seen IOS 14 they are looking to adopt 3rd party apps which is what HMS already offers.
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To think Huawei has been through leaps and bounds and now with the Trump tantrum its only proved how strong Huawei are and to think Huawei have started up HMS with Android in a very strong position unlike most quote Nokia / Microsoft / Blackberry.
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Mafiatounes said:
Browser or Youtube Vanced are good options.
I have GMS installed for a couple of minor local apps but the majority works fine with HMS give it a bit and i will remove GMS.
My only gripe for now would be Android Auto which i use daily.
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When i have used auto in the passed i have found it very inconsistent. Found waze is the best for maps.

Ive tried a sideloaded mate30 pro and initially I thought it was a wow moment, but after a couple of weeks I realised I wasn't getting the best out of my device especially as it hugely affected the battery performance, and since giving that to my wife and sharking her upgrade to the p40 pro I can say I prefer the HMS device. Shes reset the phone and stripped out GMS or shall i say I did lol and other than the Barclays app we are sorted. I mean utilising phone clone/app gallery/ petal search im completely set up. I was ever so worried about the function of not being able to cast to my chromecast however on my smart tv downstairs I can screen share using the wireless projection function. SO life continues and my device is awesome

dw9075n said:
When i have used auto in the passed i have found it very inconsistent. Found waze is the best for maps.
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Well it depends i dont have issues now with my P40 P but i did with my S20U. Also firmware of the car and a good cable is important. For now it is stable.

TBH it might have just been the car that was the issue. Always use the cable that is provided with the device.

dw9075n said:
TBH it might have just been the car that was the issue. Always use the cable that is provided with the device.
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What car do you drive? I have an Audi atm and have just had zero luck getting it to work either on older GMS devices. I'll continue to angle my phone in the cup holder.... I heard rumours of something called HiCar coming later down the line? :cyclops:

How are you getting on with no play store of GMS.

Hi Guys.
Now its been a few months with the device, I know a lot of you are using the device with GMS. I have decided not to side load it on to the device, It took me a while to start get used to using the phone without. I have not had any real issues with getting apps via app gallery and petal search. (I have the odd app that doesn't work 100%, but they are apps i can live without)
how are you getting on with it all?

its been good for me also, thought i would have had a lot more issues but every app i need is there, the only exclusion atm being ebay which i can easly use via web as its layout is same as an app anyway lol

I think like most initially I was apprehensive but 8 weeks on I don't even notice tbh, life continues and I've got a banging bit of kit

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Hi Guys.
Now its been a few months with the device, I know a lot of you are using the device with GMS. I have decided not to side load it on to the device, It took me a while to start get used to using the phone without. I have not had any real issues with getting apps via app gallery and petal search. (I have the odd app that doesn't work 100%, but they are apps i can live without)
how are you getting on with it all?
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What apps are these? i may have easy work arounds for you.

EatSleepTechRepeat said:
I think like most initially I was apprehensive but 8 weeks on I don't even notice tbh, life continues and I've got a banging bit of kit
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Pretty much how I feel, still a few apps here and there like OP said. Do hope AppGallery gets fleshed out soon, sounds like there's promising things on the way - just hoping Huawei invest in their ecosystem / store as they said they would!
That said, Petal Search was a pretty smart way for them to get arround Apps not being launched on their own store... Well played Huawei.

I used my phone with and without google play store. Decided to debloat my phone and got rid of all huawei and google services, including app stores. This impacted battery drastically. It added me 3 hrs of on-screen time. As for an app store, I use modded apkpure market. Mod disables all reporting, ads etc.
P.s Now i have a ridiculously long battery life. Enjoying my phone more than before.

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I used my phone with and without google play store. Decided to debloat my phone and got rid of all huawei and google services, including app stores. This impacted battery drastically. It added me 3 hrs of on-screen time. As for an app store, I use modded apkpure market. Mod disables all reporting, ads etc.
P.s Now i have a ridiculously long battery life. Enjoying my phone more than before.
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This is actually a really interest approach that makes a lot of sense. One thing I will say is HMS still seems to be better on the battery than GMS devices / installed. I guess it would be a lot of the data collection and analysis from Googles end.
Do mapping services still work with both cores completely removed? Has there been any draw backs at all?

The Google maps app works fine. I use it daily. But apps that use Google maps needs Google services to display the map(Like Grab). They don't work. This is the only drawback that I experienced.

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What apps are these? i may have easy work arounds for you.
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The only app i have had real issues with is the starbucks app. I've tried via the browsers but cannot use the card feature.

faceliler said:
The Google maps app works fine. I use it daily. But apps that use Google maps needs Google services to display the map(Like Grab). They don't work. This is the only drawback that I experienced.
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I am guessing that HMS core apps are probably on there way just taking a while.

it'll be good to see what will come in the next few months, daily there seems to be something new, I think I noticed sky go is now available!

now that i have gotten issues sorted out its not bad at all , only thing i miss is being able to cast to my chromecast. i set microsoft launcher and it allowed me to set google as my search engine so it feels very similar.

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The only app i have had real issues with is the starbucks app. I've tried via the browsers but cannot use the card feature.
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i see, unfortunately i don't use Starbucks. Im more of a Monster man haha. If i find anything ill be sure to let you know.

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I used my phone with and without google play store. Decided to debloat my phone and got rid of all huawei and google services, including app stores. This impacted battery drastically. It added me 3 hrs of on-screen time. As for an app store, I use modded apkpure market. Mod disables all reporting, ads etc.
P.s Now i have a ridiculously long battery life. Enjoying my phone more than before.
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Would you have a link to that mod please?

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Would you have a link to that mod please?
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I got it from this website: https://apk4all.com/android/apps/apkpure-mobile-appstore-mod/

I meant link for this "Decided to debloat my phone and got rid of all huawei and google services, including app stores"
Manual for debloating?

MixEvo said:
now that i have gotten issues sorted out its not bad at all , only thing i miss is being able to cast to my chromecast. i set microsoft launcher and it allowed me to set google as my search engine so it feels very similar.
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When I am am streaming I just use the wireless display feature on the device.

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it'll be good to see what will come in the next few months, daily there seems to be something new, I think I noticed sky go is now available!
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Yeah it looks like it is getting much better. Once it has banking apps on there it will likely do much better and more people will start realising how fantastic the device is.

My music service is YouTube, I can't live without google services. I've been thinking about switch to other phone, the only gps I got working 100% of the time is Waze(Google app), don't have push for many apps is frustrating and I lost google pay that I used a lot. So not very happy.

raamoon said:
My music service is YouTube, I can't live without google services. I've been thinking about switch to other phone, the only gps I got working 100% of the time is Waze(Google app), don't have push for many apps is frustrating and I lost google pay that I used a lot. So not very happy.
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Try YouTube Vanced. Better than youtube and works.
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rbs_uk said:
I meant link for this "Decided to debloat my phone and got rid of all huawei and google services, including app stores"
Manual for debloating?
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Oh sorry, I used this guide: https://forum.xda-developers.com/huawei-p40-pro/how-to/adb-debloating-t4088633
In addition, I got the app called "App inspector" and got rid of many more apps than those in the guide. App inspector is for getting the package name of bloatware so i can use adb to uninstall.