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Hey Guys,
as the topic says, I would like to know your expierences about the scratch-resistance of the Nexus S glass.
I couldnt find anything on the net about it, only some screen protector tests, which isnt the point.
So what do you think? Is the surface pretty sensetive, should I buy a screen protector?
Greets
No scientific test here but I've had my phone for nearly a month and keep it in my pocket with no case or screen protector. I have minor scratches on the plastic back but my screen is still flawless.
Yeah I´ve read alot about the batterycase and that it scratches pretty fast! Im gonna visist my girlfriend in UK and want to buy the Nexus S there. Its only available at carphone warehouse am I right? Do they sell the white version already?
Haven't seen the white version here yet and yes only carphone warehouse sells it in the UK.
I do not own the Nexus S, but as far as I can tell from the internet, the display is from glass. That means it is as scratch-resistant as any other phone with a glass display. Yes, including phones with Gorilla Glass. Gorilla Glass only prevents the display from cracking.
The battery cover, however, is another story. Plastic has it advantages (lighter, better if you drop your phone), but you'll probably get a lot of micro-scratches over time. No big scratches, just a couple of little ones.
So my advise is: don't buy a screen protector. If you really want it, go for a super clear one, like a Seidio USG Crystal Clear. At least they don't mess with the displays colours and with the feel of the glass.
But you may consider protection for the plastic back. You could spray PlastiDip on your battery cover, buy a case or keep your phone in a pouch.
The nexus s is very much sensitive to scratches. After having the phone for about a week, I noticed fine micro scratches. I'm very careful with my phone, so more than likely they came from taking it in and out of my pocket probably due to the rough fabric of my jeans. And no I don't keep any debris in my pocket while my phone is in there. My nexus one never developed those type of scratches and there were times when my N1 was placed in my pocket with coins! imho gorilla glass does make a world of difference when it comes to scratch resistance. The NS definitely needs a protector if you want to keep the screen pristine.
Sent from my Nexus S
princeasi said:
The nexus s is very much sensitive to scratches. After having the phone for about a week, I noticed fine micro scratches. I'm very careful with my phone, so more than likely they came from taking it in and out of my pocket probably due to the rough fabric of my jeans. And no I don't keep any debris in my pocket while my phone is in there. My nexus one never developed those type of scratches and there were times when my N1 was placed in my pocket with coins! imho gorilla glass does make a world of difference when it comes to scratch resistance. The NS definitely needs a protector if you want to keep the screen pristine.
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I carried my NS in my pocket with my Zippo for a week and the screen never got scratched once. I'm having an issue seeing how a metal lighter case wouldn't scratch the screen but your jeans would? Unless your jeans are made of diamonds....
If you get scratches with your Nexus S, and not with your Nexus One, then you are just being unlucky. Gorilla Glass has nothing to do with it. Besides, the Nexus One also hasn't got Gorilla Glass.
That YOU get scratches on your display, doesn't mean it scratches very easily. And that you're very careful with it, also isn't an argument: as I said, sometimes it's just bad luck.
Please, anyone who wants to know if the Nexus S scratches easily (the display), ignore those 'the Nexus S scratches very easily compared to another device' replies.
Mine has not scratched on the screen at all. I typically leave it in my back jeans pocket. The black plastic has very tiny micro scratches that can only be seen at a certain angle from direct sunlight or fluorescent bulbs.
The only issue for me is the creakiness of the back cover. Whenever I press down on the plastic near the bottom and top sides of the phone it sounds like its crying out in pain =/
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If you get scratches with your Nexus S, and not with your Nexus One, then you are just being unlucky. Gorilla Glass has nothing to do with it. Besides, the Nexus One also hasn't got Gorilla Glass.
That YOU get scratches on your display, doesn't mean it scratches very easily. And that you're very careful with it, also isn't an argument: as I said, sometimes it's just bad luck.
Please, anyone who wants to know if the Nexus S scratches easily (the display), ignore those 'the Nexus S scratches very easily compared to another device' replies.
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I'm not gonna go back and forth with you on this topic but I will say this..... Honestly, I can care less about what happens to your device. Who ever chooses not to use a protector on their phone is their business, not mine! What I offered was my personal experience and advice to the one who asked for our input. Ok, so what if the N1 doesn't have gorilla glass. Whatever glass the N1 uses, is different from the NS and I know personally what happened to my NS and what didn't to my N1. I'm very finicky when it comes to scratches on my phones. Not once did I ever have to put a protector on my N1. Luck had nothing to do with my NS getting micro-scratches. It's has everything to do with the way the screen was manufactured and what rubbed against it through my everyday usage!
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kenvan19 said:
I carried my NS in my pocket with my Zippo for a week and the screen never got scratched once. I'm having an issue seeing how a metal lighter case wouldn't scratch the screen but your jeans would? Unless your jeans are made of diamonds....
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Quoted to reiterate the point. Glass I'd glass when it comes to scratches. Period.
Sent from 1.5GHz CM7 Nexus S.
EDIT: If you want a really scratch "resistent" (I say resistent because my wife is making me, I disagree) get someone to make a sapphire screen for your phone. Its common practice in high end watches and, as I own one, I can testify to its inability to scratch. I get quite a kick from taking some random very hard material and rubbing it against the face only to have it come out unscathed. The only issue that'd arise is if you scratched it with a diamond...then it would definitely scratch.
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I carried my NS in my pocket with my Zippo for a week and the screen never got scratched once. I'm having an issue seeing how a metal lighter case wouldn't scratch the screen but your jeans would? Unless your jeans are made of diamonds....
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I don't know exactly where the scratches came from. They could've gotten there from a hard dust particle rubbing against it while cleaning my screen. The scratches I had weren't deep scratches. They could only be seen at an angle when light hit it....If you're definitely sure of your screen, why don't you bless all of us with an uploaded personal video of the key test?!
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Lol guys come down .
So just to make it clear, the micro scratches on yr NS are on the back or on the display? Display right?
The point of my topic is just, that if I buy a nice phone like this I would like to use it as clean as possible, means only necessary accessories.
I had the Galaxy S before and Im gonna buy the NS now, before all of them the Desire. The problem is just that u always have to wrap the phone with stuff to make it "safer" and then u dont really see much of the design, the nice look of the phone, but it seems like this is just not possible right now .
Anyway I baught a silicon case so far, is there a good cheap screen protector on ebay or a brand u know?
And before I forget, I read that the NS has a "anti-fat" layer, so there arent really fat traces on the display, is this right? Would suck if yes, because its really annoying and I wouldnt like to lose this because of a screen protector .
Greets
The scratches I'm speaking on are on the display screen.
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Robse86 said:
Lol guys come down .
So just to make it clear, the micro scratches on yr NS are on the back or on the display? Display right?
The point of my topic is just, that if I buy a nice phone like this I would like to use it as clean as possible, means only necessary accessories.
I had the Galaxy S before and Im gonna buy the NS now, before all of them the Desire. The problem is just that u always have to wrap the phone with stuff to make it "safer" and then u dont really see much of the design, the nice look of the phone, but it seems like this is just not possible right now .
Anyway I baught a silicon case so far, is there a good cheap screen protector on ebay or a brand u know?
And before I forget, I read that the NS has a "anti-fat" layer, so there arent really fat traces on the display, is this right? Would suck if yes, because its really annoying and I wouldnt like to lose this because of a screen protector .
Greets
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Its suuuuuuuuper thin. I love it.
At the guy who got scratches on his screen. I still don't get it man. I cleaned my screen with a microfiber cloth two to three times a day before I got a screen protector. As I said, I carried it in my pocket with my lighter most times, but sometimes in the pocket with my change and still no scratches. Not to mention dropping it a few times. I just can't see how having it in your jeans could scratch it since I felt my lighter rub against my screen.
I'm not stupid though man, its f***ing glass. It'll scratch. But I've never seen glass scratch from jeans. Its just not nearly abrasive enough.
kenvan19 said:
Its suuuuuuuuper thin. I love it.
At the guy who got scratches on his screen. I still don't get it man. I cleaned my screen with a microfiber cloth two to three times a day before I got a screen protector. As I said, I carried it in my pocket with my lighter most times, but sometimes in the pocket with my change and still no scratches. Not to mention dropping it a few times. I just can't see how having it in your jeans could scratch it since I felt my lighter rub against my screen.
I'm not stupid though man, its f***ing glass. It'll scratch. But I've never seen glass scratch from jeans. Its just not nearly abrasive enough.
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Then do a f**kin lighter test then. Rub that sh!t against your NS display screen and post the f**kin video lmmfao! Let us all see just how lighter resistant your NS is! That would be interesting to watch lolll!
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kenvan19 said:
Its suuuuuuuuper thin. I love it.
At the guy who got scratches on his screen. I still don't get it man. I cleaned my screen with a microfiber cloth two to three times a day before I got a screen protector. As I said, I carried it in my pocket with my lighter most times, but sometimes in the pocket with my change and still no scratches. Not to mention dropping it a few times. I just can't see how having it in your jeans could scratch it since I felt my lighter rub against my screen.
I'm not stupid though man, its f***ing glass. It'll scratch. But I've never seen glass scratch from jeans. Its just not nearly abrasive enough.
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Thin? The phone or the screen protector ? Well well then I have to buy a screen protector , is there a good one ?
I've had my NS for over a month. It has never seen a case. It's been in pants with keys, in pants with an un-cased iPhone 4, in pants with change, in jackets with keys and change, in a courrier bag with keys, change, a sharp metal mini-hard drive enclosure and dropped onto pavement a few times. The screen is absolutely scratch free.
There is a TINY bit of visible wear on the plastic back - especially at the very top and the very bottom, which are the leading edges when inserting and withdrawing it from a pocket.
One thing that has not been extensively examined so far - the "contour" display on the NS puts the entire face under more compression load when static, meaning that it will be MUCH harder to fracture, and therefore scratch, for a given strength of glass, since compression is where glass is strong.
Also, here is a little lesson on Gorilla Glass and any hardened glass. They are chemically treated to better resist surface flaws by creating compression in the surface of the glass. For Gorilla Glass, Corning starts with already-more-durable alumosilicate glass, and then uses their proprietary treatment it to better resist surface fracturing by penetrating more deeply than "traditional" glass hardening treatments on soda-lime glass - this means that, while you can still scratch it, the glass won't fracture as much around the contact, so you won't be able to see it as much. All of this is available on Corning's website.
For points of reference, here are my last 4 phones, their relative abuse states and what I saw out of them:
NS - one month+, hard use including travel, abuse my 2 and 3 year old kids, my daily high-speed bike commute over cobbled parisien streets, etc. Zero screen scratches. Oleophobic treatment seems to be holding up better than Apple's examples.
iPhone 4 - 4 months hard use as a phone, 2 more moderate use as a super-duper high-end iPod touch. Several very tiny scratches on the screen, and numerous tiny scratches on the back, then the screen shattered in the pocket of my jeans alone sometime on a transatlantic flight. I replaced the front and back with the "acquired" real Apple iPhone 4 white components someone stole out of Shenzen and sold through a site in NYC. One month light iPod use since, no marks.
N1 - 5 months as primary phone, then a 4 month break, then almost 2 more months as a phone when, battery be damned, I could no longer support the crappy mail and chat on the iPhone 4. It suffered very heavy use and abuse, including NUMEROUS hard drops and falls onto pavement and stone thanks to kids. The metal frame around the screen is VERY beaten up, and the edge has even cracked slightly on the screen from the compression around the metal edge, but the screen itself has no scratches.
Milestone (euro version of the Droid, complete with Gorilla Glass) - primary phone for about 3 months, and it had a long scratch down the face less than a month after buying it. But in this case, I know EXACTLY when it happened. It was in my wife's jacket pocket, and she gored it with diamond ring.
Finally, I don't think that anyone really KNOWS what glass is used in the Nexus S except for Samsung (and their provider, if there is one). I know that the Galaxy S, Epic, Vibrant, Continium, Captivate, and many other Samsung phones do use Corning's baby. I also know that many other products use it without mentioning it. I know that the iPhone claims not to, but that it does use some specially-treated alumosilicate glass.
princeasi said:
Then do a f**kin lighter test then. Rub that sh!t against your NS display screen and post the f**kin video lmmfao! Let us all see just how lighter resistant your NS is! That would be interesting to watch lolll!
Sent from my Nexus S
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Better yet why don't I do a jeans test to see how stupid you are.
big_adventure said:
I've had my NS for over a month. It has never seen a case. It's been in pants with keys, in pants with an un-cased iPhone 4, in pants with change, in jackets with keys and change, in a courrier bag with keys, change, a sharp metal mini-hard drive enclosure and dropped onto pavement a few times. The screen is absolutely scratch free.
There is a TINY bit of visible wear on the plastic back - especially at the very top and the very bottom, which are the leading edges when inserting and withdrawing it from a pocket.
One thing that has not been extensively examined so far - the "contour" display on the NS puts the entire face under more compression load when static, meaning that it will be MUCH harder to fracture, and therefore scratch, for a given strength of glass, since compression is where glass is strong.
Also, here is a little lesson on Gorilla Glass and any hardened glass. They are chemically treated to better resist surface flaws by creating compression in the surface of the glass. For Gorilla Glass, Corning starts with already-more-durable alumosilicate glass, and then uses their proprietary treatment it to better resist surface fracturing by penetrating more deeply than "traditional" glass hardening treatments on soda-lime glass - this means that, while you can still scratch it, the glass won't fracture as much around the contact, so you won't be able to see it as much. All of this is available on Corning's website.
For points of reference, here are my last 4 phones, their relative abuse states and what I saw out of them:
NS - one month+, hard use including travel, abuse my 2 and 3 year old kids, my daily high-speed bike commute over cobbled parisien streets, etc. Zero screen scratches. Oleophobic treatment seems to be holding up better than Apple's examples.
iPhone 4 - 4 months hard use as a phone, 2 more moderate use as a super-duper high-end iPod touch. Several very tiny scratches on the screen, and numerous tiny scratches on the back, then the screen shattered in the pocket of my jeans alone sometime on a transatlantic flight. I replaced the front and back with the "acquired" real Apple iPhone 4 white components someone stole out of Shenzen and sold through a site in NYC. One month light iPod use since, no marks.
N1 - 5 months as primary phone, then a 4 month break, then almost 2 more months as a phone when, battery be damned, I could no longer support the crappy mail and chat on the iPhone 4. It suffered very heavy use and abuse, including NUMEROUS hard drops and falls onto pavement and stone thanks to kids. The metal frame around the screen is VERY beaten up, and the edge has even cracked slightly on the screen from the compression around the metal edge, but the screen itself has no scratches.
Milestone (euro version of the Droid, complete with Gorilla Glass) - primary phone for about 3 months, and it had a long scratch down the face less than a month after buying it. But in this case, I know EXACTLY when it happened. It was in my wife's jacket pocket, and she gored it with diamond ring.
Finally, I don't think that anyone really KNOWS what glass is used in the Nexus S except for Samsung (and their provider, if there is one). I know that the Galaxy S, Epic, Vibrant, Continium, Captivate, and many other Samsung phones do use Corning's baby. I also know that many other products use it without mentioning it. I know that the iPhone claims not to, but that it does use some specially-treated alumosilicate glass.
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Robse86, listen to this guy. He knows what he is talking about. A screen protector isn't really necessary. That doesn't mean the screen can't be scratched, so don't blame us when it does scratch. You should consider a case, if you don't like the micro-scratches that often appear on the battery cover.
Anyway, listen to big_adventure.
If not, do you have any scratches on the camera glass or the body?
Nope...But I'm a VERY brave person
I had a zagg protector on my original EVO...It eventually fell off and it was later discovered they indeed had Gorilla glass. So I left it off. No scratches. No discernible micro-scratches either. Damn that glass IS tough. No case on it, I never dropped it.
I've only dropped one phone in all my life and that was an HTC Touch (windows mobile) in a Manhattan subway...It had a thin rubber gel like protector and it was fine.
So if you think you'll drop it, then get a case. Otherwise I've never had any issues with phones in my pocket. Completely unprotected Palm Pre and original EVO 4G that I had in my pocket. I did have the EVO 4G from Best Buy that was black and white and the white part of the case discolored a little bit. I don't know if that will happen with the white One X...The material is different...But who knows. That is one thing that did in fact pop to mind when the AT&T stored asked if I wanted to also buy a case.
However, I didn't buy any case or screen protector. If you're worried and have ANY doubt, I would always suggest buying these though. Unless you're just really rich and can buy a new one =) Or have a good insurance plan and don't mind paying the premium haha.
i always use tpu cases since i dropped my last phone and cracked the screen.
no scratches on the body and the camera sits slightly below the case so no scratches there either
I think I might go caseless. I'm mainly worried about the camera, but on the AT&T model is sits in the ring surrounding just enough not to touch a surface when you lay it down.
oh and for what it's worth i may have scratches in my camera on my phones. but minor scratches will go unnoticed because A. it's not the actual lens and even if it was B. cameras work fine with minor scratches on lenses, filters, or any other material covering them because they focus beyond that point. the minimum focus distance could never capture those scratches. they are waaaay blown out. could it make your photo look soft?? maybe... maybe... but the quality isn't exactly perfect on a camera phone anyway.
johnl199 said:
I think I might go caseless. I'm mainly worried about the camera, but on the AT&T model is sits in the ring surrounding just enough not to touch a surface when you lay it down.
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A grain of sand is large enough to touch that recessed glass if it's on a table.
Edit: Maybe we just got some big ass sand in Florida..
I haven't used cases on my past few phones. After 22 months of being in my pockets with keys and all the rest, my captivate shows a bit of wear, mostly scratches from being dropped (oops), but the screen is still in great condition. I'd expect the One X is hold up even better.
If it gets too unsightly, THEN I'll get case
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A grain of sand is large enough to touch that recessed glass if it's on a table.
Edit: Maybe we just got some big ass sand in Florida..
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Not really on either of those... yes, sand/salt/etc could scratch lens if the lens was sitting flat, however when you sit your phone down flat, look at it from the side... the phone rests on two points... the metal/plastic rim around the camera and then one towards the bottom of the phone... in turn, there is actually a large gap between the camera lens and the surface.
I've got a screen protector because I prefer the feel, but no case. Had it since Sunday; not a scratch anywhere.
Camera doesn't touch if on a flat surface.
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EESteve said:
I've got a screen protector because I prefer the feel, but no case. Had it since Sunday; not a scratch anywhere.
Camera doesn't touch if on a flat surface.
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You prefer the feel of the screen protector? After coming from 2 iPhones this is the best feeling glass my fingers have ever touched. Plus, it seems to be very resistant to fingerprints.
As for a case, I'll probably get a thin silicone one for the ocassions where the phone may be dropped. Will be caseless most of the time.
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I don't use a case or screen protector I've dropped it plenty of times quite hard a few times, the back smooth part has very tiny tiny scratches from sliding none on the camera or the screen. I'm ocd about how my phone looks my iPhone 4 had a scratch and I made up some BS story about bad charging to get it replaced but this phones built really well I don't have the 70$ a month warranty from att so knock on wood no issues yet
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Until I see a white Otterbox Commuter. Im keeping mine naked. Black/blue case look weird when the white trim of my X shows in the front
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I think the hox is just to sexy to cover it up with a screen protector or case so going naked. Had a zag on my last phone and a gel case but after a while the screen protector got dirty all around the edges so I took it off and ordered a replacement but by the time I got it I got to used to the natural feel of the screen so I never put it back on and I never liked the feel of the gel case. I've had my hox since last Friday and there's not a mark on it so I'm very pleased with it as is.
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I'm going caseless this time. I used a case (Body Glove) on my Captivate for two years, but never a screen protector, and that screen is still pristine. And I don't really mind scratches elsewhere, although of course I try to avoid them. My phone lives in my left pants pocket, all by itself.
Edit: I'll probably try to get in the habit of setting the phone down face-up, since it does sit on the glass otherwise. The Captivate has very small ridges on the sides so that even face-down it's not on the glass.
No case and no screen protector. I've never been a fan of buying a sleek phone and making it a fatty.
No scratches on phone body or lens.
Naked for me. I love the glass feeling and do not like screen protectors, and likewise with the body: looks and feels best without a case, why mess with it. I've dropped my captivate dozens of times without damage that effects any function besides the open/close usb cover.
I'll be careful, I promise.
Dropping phones is just a matter of how soon for me but still i refuse to use a case. I think it ruins the look and feel of a phone.
So no case for me.
I'm glad to see this thread I have a white hox and have the darn commuter case but I wanna show this thing off .but I'm odd and constantly worried about the Camera lens. What should I do
Again, that's not the lens. It's a piece of glass or plastic on top of the lens. Granted, I doubt you can replace it... My point is that any minor scratches on that won't have an effect on the camera.
I can't say I'm a "professional" photographer because that would imply me getting paid which I haven't been paid for my photography in years...But I DO shoot a LOT with good equipment. That said, I have filters with scratches in them that are still quite usable.
You can't see the scratches in a piece of glass, plastic, etc. that is put directly over top of your lens because the focal point is beyond it. Only if you really really scratch it up will it make a difference. A single scratch alone is not enough. Then factor in the quality of the camera to begin with...You'd never be able to point out the defects in a photo from a few scratches on the case's lens cover. I mean you gotta really scratch it up.
edit -- however, since it's a smaller area, it could take less scratches before you notice a difference... but still, a scratch or two won't make a difference. also, the more you get the softer the image, you could create a permanent "soft focus" filter ha. but i wouldn't worry about a single scratch or two. on top of how small the area for the lens is, i've just never had issues. Attached is a photo my original EVO and all the scratches it took over a 2 year period. There's one larger scratch that actually even covers the area of the lens and I still don't notice it in any shots.
Just click the link, I'm not resizing it and you can't change dimensions through this forum???
http://www.shift8creative.com/temp-stuff/IMAG0001.jpg
Taken with the One X, not bad zoom! =)
mesasone said:
I haven't used cases on my past few phones. After 22 months of being in my pockets with keys and all the rest, my captivate shows a bit of wear, mostly scratches from being dropped (oops), but the screen is still in great condition. I'd expect the One X is hold up even better.
If it gets too unsightly, THEN I'll get case
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this x10
It is so sad to see samsung dropping the ball big time on the durability of their phones. Remember the galaxy S1 and S2? They still remain some of the toughest touch screen phones. However all that changed with the S3 which broke on the first sight of concrete and sometimes by merely getting some force inside the pocket or so I have heard. Now again seems same story with S4 all over again.
I think the main reason for all this is the ridiculous obsession with thinness, corning clearly seemed to have dropped the ball. Or is it samsung who doesnt care about it anymore?
Samsung did not drop the ball. There are just as many posts in the HTC One forums of people cracking screens. Even the Iphone 5 and 4s have widespread reports of cracked screens.
When you mix a thin device with ultra thin edge to edge glass, you really can't expect it to survive every impact.
Glass isn't diamond, nor are Sapphire screens indestructible, as thin as they are made if you hit them in the right spot they will crack.
It is the price we pay for having sleek devices. Quit your whining.
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It is so sad to see samsung dropping the ball big time on the durability of their phones. Remember the galaxy S1 and S2? They still remain some of the toughest touch screen phones. However all that changed with the S3 which broke on the first sight of concrete and sometimes by merely getting some force inside the pocket or so I have heard. Now again seems same story with S4 all over again.
I think the main reason for all this is the ridiculous obsession with thinness, corning clearly seemed to have dropped the ball. Or is it samsung who doesnt care about it anymore?
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What I think is that gorilla glass 2 and 3 are really stronger, but those manufacturers take the advantage of it,
maintaining a level of sturdiness (which seems very low?) but keep making the glass thinner, which could make the phone slimmer.
The S3 has a curved glass which sticks out of the bezel of the phone, which I think is the reason of why S3 is weaker than S2.
but S4...
It's hard to say how much of it is the glass itself and how much is the rest of the phone design. My S1 has been a tank for sure (at least half a dozen hard drops) but the plastic bezel around the glass is so much thicker than on the new phones.
I'm being careful but I doubt a bare S4 would survive hard drops so I got a clear rubbery case for it. Funny thing is when I look at the two phones the case brings the S4 to about the same thickness, and also adds about the same 'buffer zone' around the glass. Check it out here: http://imgur.com/a/YPCPn#1
I'm trying not to test it (the softer plastic of the case is also grippier which is nice) but hopefully the S4 with the case is just as tough or tougher than the S1.
I guess one could see the push to thinner more fragile phones as an offered choice, you can have a smaller 8mm thick phone that is fragile or a bigger ~10mm thick unit that should be tougher. I'm really liking the weight and feel of the S4 with the case, while whenever I tried a case on the thicker S1 it made it feel like a clunky brick.
You need to know that the strengthen of GG isn't its shatter resistance but its scratch resistance.
This is why Corning always recommend manufacturer to put a rim around the display to avoid the screen from shatter even if it drops on the screen.
This is what Samsung did in the S1 and S2 but didn't in the S3. In the S4 there is a rim around the display but not on the corners, so when it falls on the top corners the display cracks. That's it.
Anyway, get a case and you'll see that it'll survive many drops
Of course the S1 & S2 has a smaller screen so its less prone to crack than the bigger screens (S3, S4). Thought this was common sense.
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Of course the S1 & S2 has a smaller screen so its less prone to crack than the bigger screens (S3, S4). Thought this was common sense.
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Fine, someone pointed that out.
The SGS1 & 2 had smaller screens, larger bezel to display ratio and are lighter. Of course they are sturdier.
Yeah unfortunately this just seems to be the way it is. Manufacturers are making glass stronger but then using that to make devices thinner. As mentioned the S4 is particularly weak because of the screen's sheer size and minimal bezel to protect it.
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MrPhilo said:
Of course the S1 & S2 has a smaller screen so its less prone to crack than the bigger screens (S3, S4). Thought this was common sense.
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Galaxy nexus is pretty sturdy as well.....
IPhone 4/4S were very fragile despite the small screen.
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The curve screen seems to benefit it. I know there some scienctific explaination but im terrible at explaining.
The iPhone 4 & 4S front is all glass, so it breaks easier.
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Its not Samsung specific, if you look they are pretty much coating the phones.
They are making the phones thinner, the screens are thinner and bigger so more brittle. I think unless they can use a new material that has a far higher strength we are going to see more and more of this or make the phone thicker?
I think that people think gorilla glass is alot stronger then it is. For sure its stronger then most glass but at the end of the day its still glass and it will crack and shatter
Dragon Trail glass ftw.
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It's all about the angle of impact and how the energy from the impact spreading doing whatever damage it does on the way.
However as mentioned by some others - more glass there is more chance of a damage - as you can use your phone if the plastic/metal bits are damaged on the outside - however if the screen does get damaged, being touch screen you are more or less screwed as the 'keyboard' would also be unusable.
Hey guys, just for the record. I've already found a few microscopic scratches on my supposedly indestructible gorilla glass 3. When I see all those scratching the screen with a knife videos on YouTube I really don't understand how people get away with it without having scratched the screen. I always keep my phone in my left jeans pocket with the screen facing the leg. I also never put it screen down on anything whatsoever plus I'm very careful with the screen just because I hate screen protectors. So I really don't understand where these scratches come from. I mean they're so small that you can barely see them with your naked eye. But nevertheless they're there. My 3 year old galaxy s1 which I treated like a ***** for the best part of the last year doesn't have any scratches whatsoever. Just saying
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Hey guys, just for the record. I've already found a few microscopic scratches on my supposedly indestructible gorilla glass 3. When I see all those scratching the screen with a knife videos on YouTube I really don't understand how people get away with it without having scratched the screen. I always keep my phone in my left jeans pocket with the screen facing the leg. I also never put it screen down on anything whatsoever plus I'm very careful with the screen just because I hate screen protectors. So I really don't understand where these scratches come from. I mean they're so small that you can barely see them with your naked eye. But nevertheless they're there. My 3 year old galaxy s1 which I treated like a ***** for the best part of the last year doesn't have any scratches whatsoever. Just saying
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gorilla glass has never been indestructible. and it is probably silica that is scratching your screen. that, or you've mistaken your oleophobic coating to have scratches and just need to wipe it properly.
Sorry but silica are you referring to? I was hoping it would be smears but you really can't wipe it away... unfortunately
Sand.
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My sand box days are long over, I don't think there's sand in my pockets...
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My sand box days are long over, I don't think there's sand in my pockets...
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You'd be surprised. The world is a sandbox.
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So after several failures with glass protectors and halo effects with all of them, I decided to try a PET version-- just to get some protection on the glass, thinking that I would just have to deal with the feel of it.
I tried amFilm (have used their stuff before, and it was pretty good).
Well, now a few days later, the screen does not have any halo effect. It sticks to the sides very well, and doesn't seem to be up-lifting at all. The feel is still plasticy, but that's about expected. It certainly doesn't feel as smooth as glass, but I'll take it. The glass ones were pealing off, haloing, etc etc, and this is a perfect solution. I'm sure that in time, I will come to grow used to the feel, and it won't even be a hindrance at all.
I am using the same one, someone mentioned this one on the glass SP thread so I gave it a try.
Been using it for a week now, and it's already showing some signs of use, a few scratches, pretty sure it's gonna be all over in a couple of months. I also have misty fingers, so gliding over the screen is painful in times.
One thing I don't like about it is the cutout for the front camera, they could've easily just made a hole instead of how it cuts off on the top. Also, it does lift a little bit when I press the volume or power buttons, I think I have aligned it pretty OK too, but nothing is perfect I guess.
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I am using the same one, someone mentioned this one on the glass SP thread so I gave it a try.
Been using it for a week now, and it's already showing some signs of use, a few scratches, pretty sure it's gonna be all over in a couple of months. I also have misty fingers, so gliding over the screen is painful in times.
One thing I don't like about it is the cutout for the front camera, they could've easily just made a hole instead of how it cuts off on the top. Also, it does lift a little bit when I press the volume or power buttons, I think I have aligned it pretty OK too, but nothing is perfect I guess.
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I'll have to watch out for that as I go along. At least there's a lifetime warranty- so when it does wear out, you can get another one for free!
I've been hearing some good things about this products. Thanks, I think that I'll try it out.
Using the same thing, been 2 weeks and it does get scratched easily but good enough for now. Been using amFilm for awhile too. They already made tempered glass for 6s, wish they would make one for our phones.
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So after several failures with glass protectors and halo effects with all of them, I decided to try a PET version-- just to get some protection on the glass, thinking that I would just have to deal with the feel of it.
I tried amFilm (have used their stuff before, and it was pretty good).
Well, now a few days later, the screen does not have any halo effect. It sticks to the sides very well, and doesn't seem to be up-lifting at all. The feel is still plasticy, but that's about expected. It certainly doesn't feel as smooth as glass, but I'll take it. The glass ones were pealing off, haloing, etc etc, and this is a perfect solution. I'm sure that in time, I will come to grow used to the feel, and it won't even be a hindrance at all.
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Thanks, I'll have to check this one out.
The TPU screen protectors seem to work. I have one on mine and its holding on really well. They are much like the TPU cases, a soft feeling gel like film. They are completely floppy, so dont try to pull up like the harder plastic films, they are also virtually invisible.
There are downsides, they are very floppy and stretchy, so can be tricky to fit. Im also not too sure how durable they will be. They recover from some marks quite easily, but they can snag. This is the one I have on mine..
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0152BXVXE?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
I use the Spigen with front and rear protection. Very good quality as usual with Spigen.
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Curious to know what's the point of a screen protector these days with the glass being so scratch resistant.
I.e on my iphone 5, i had it for 2 years no protector. only scratches are ones not visible. Unless you throw your phone around like a toy, put it in a pocket full of sand ect, You really wont scratch it.
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Curious to know what's the point of a screen protector these days with the glass being so scratch resistant.
I.e on my iphone 5, i had it for 2 years no protector. only scratches are ones not visible. Unless you throw your phone around like a toy, put it in a pocket full of sand ect, You really wont scratch it.
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For me it's "just in case" protection. I'm very careful with my toys, and even more so with this expensive phone. There are times when things happen and by me just being me and it falling off my lap, all it takes is that one unlucky fall when it hits the corner of the chair leg. I've never broken a phone screen, yet...
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Curious to know what's the point of a screen protector these days with the glass being so scratch resistant.
I.e on my iphone 5, i had it for 2 years no protector. only scratches are ones not visible. Unless you throw your phone around like a toy, put it in a pocket full of sand ect, You really wont scratch it.
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Gorilla Glass is about as scratch resistant as cheese. Its actually worse than normal glass. Gorilla Glass is somewhat shock resistant and highly flexible, but not scratch resistant.
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Gorilla Glass is about as scratch resistant as cheese. Its actually worse than normal glass. Gorilla Glass is somewhat shock resistant and highly flexible, but not scratch resistant.
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I'm calling you on this one, I work with glass every day, and i'm around an engineering shop daily, so there's plenty of potential for my glass to scratch. It's held up fine for 2 years no protector.
Glass on the Mohs scale is 5.5
Gorilla glass is 6.8
Diamond is 10.
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I'm calling you on this one, I work with glass every day, and i'm around an engineering shop daily, so there's plenty of potential for my glass to scratch. It's held up fine for 2 years no protector.
Glass on the Mohs scale is 5.5
Gorilla glass is 6.8
Diamond is 10.
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'Glass' as in soda glass maybe, but plenty of other types are better. 6.8 isnt that great. It certainly doesn't explain why my last phone got a scratch after falling face first on a brand new clean carpet!
Scratching isnt all about hardness anyway, its only part of the story and is sold to us in marketing BS. A softer object can scratch a harder one, all that happens is that the softer one is damaged more. This notion that hardness alone is all there is to scratching or breaking is completely wrong and needs to stop.
A rough piece of metal, almost any metal, will tear up the surface of GG very easily indeed.
I bought a skinomi film that wraps around both edges...there self healing too
Anyone tried Pleson?
I'm very OCD when it comes to my phones, I think anyone who'd join XDA probably is, but over my life as a musician & recording enthusiast I've learned that pampering & protecting my gear/kit/tech, etc. yields big dividends: longer life, higher resale value, better obsolescence rejection, etc.
On my smartphone I like a heavy duty case, cause I drop my phone more than I'd like to admit. Not from 6 feet on concrete drops, but plenty of sitting on the couch/edge of bed drowsy drops to the carpet below. I want a stout case also because it makes these increasingly paper thin devices easier to handle. After hunting one down I bought the Encased Rebel, which is basically a very good OtterBox clone, and for the screen protector, after buying several through trial and error, the GPEL Note 9 glass protector is working very well.
The hard part in using a really stout case with Samsung's curved screened phones is that after getting one with a raised lip around the screen (a feature you want), most glass screen protectors don't provide enough clearance to avoid rubbing against the raised lip of the case, causing it to peel off and eventually drop off. The GPEL protector, labeled case friendly, has a few millimeters taken away from the edge of the protector that allows the case to rest besides it with no contact.
I'm adding some pictures I posted in my Amazon reviews of these two products that show a bit of what I'm trying to describe, sorry they're not pro level by far. But for under $30 you can get a very good heavy-duty case & a screen protector that is performing great; no need for the increased sensitivity feature to be turned on & no separation or bubbles anywhere. Since there's no adhesive on the main center glass, just on the edges, in some light a slight rainbow effect can be seen, but it's nothing that interferes with the screens quality during normal viewing.
Just offering this duo as a suggestion, for when I got my Note 9 I wish there were a few more real world use descriptions about which heavy duty case worked well with what screen protector. Be cool...
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I'm very OCD when it comes to my phones, I think anyone who'd join XDA probably is, but over my life as a musician & recording enthusiast I've learned that pampering & protecting my gear/kit/tech, etc. yields big dividends: longer life, higher resale value, better obsolescence rejection, etc.
On my smartphone I like a heavy duty case, cause I drop my phone more than I'd like to admit. Not from 6 feet on concrete drops, but plenty of sitting on the couch/edge of bed drowsy drops to the carpet below. I want a stout case also because it makes these increasingly paper thin devices easier to handle. After hunting one down I bought the Encased Rebel, which is basically a very good OtterBox clone, and for the screen protector, after buying several through trial and error, the GPEL Note 9 glass protector is working very well.
The hard part in using a really stout case with Samsung's curved screened phones is that after getting one with a raised lip around the screen (a feature you want), most glass screen protectors don't provide enough clearance to avoid rubbing against the raised lip of the case, causing it to peel off and eventually drop off. The GPEL protector, labeled case friendly, has a few millimeters taken away from the edge of the protector that allows the case to rest besides it with no contact.
I'm adding some pictures I posted in my Amazon reviews of these two products that show a bit of what I'm trying to describe, sorry they're not pro level by far. But for under $30 you can get a very good heavy-duty case & a screen protector that is performing great; no need for the increased sensitivity feature to be turned on & no separation or bubbles anywhere. Since there's no adhesive on the main center glass, just on the edges, in some light a slight rainbow effect can be seen, but it's nothing that interferes with the screens quality during normal viewing.
Just offering this duo as a suggestion, for when I got my Note 9 I wish there were a few more real world use descriptions about which heavy duty case worked well with what screen protector. Be cool...
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Think I'm gonna get one of those screen protectors and see how it works with some optical adheasive.
Just wasted $53.00 on the ZAGG Elite (full adhesive) for the Note 9. This thing cracked just using the included squeegee trying to get the massive amount of bubbles out. Now, I have the pay ZAGG $9.99 just to ship me a replacement.
Might order the G-Pel and give it a try while waiting on ZAGG to send my replacement.
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Just wasted $53.00 on the ZAGG Elite (full adhesive) for the Note 9. This thing cracked just using the included squeegee trying to get the massive amount of bubbles out. Now, I have the pay ZAGG $9.99 just to ship me a replacement.
Might order the G-Pel and give it a try while waiting on ZAGG to send my replacement.
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Fuhhh...Well, let me put over GPEL here like I did in my Amazon review, I just didn't want to come off as some shill. When I first ordered the Note 9 glass protector from GPEL on Amazon it showed up in a rough looking package which, sure as sh#t, contained my 2 pack of protectors with a crack in one of them.
I emailed GPEL's customer support and within hours they emailed me a confirmation number of the replacement shipment. Really good customer service. I despise installing screen protectors: the plastic film type were hell with the air bubbles, the wet application protectors are such a hassle, worrying about stray dust, etc. The GPEL has this bracket that came with it that makes lining up the glass really t. The key is patience and having plenty of light. Good luck brother...
How bad are the oil slicks with this G-Pel?
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How bad are the oil slicks with this G-Pel?
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I've noticed it really depends on lighting for some reason. In my kitchen with lots of high watt LCD floods I can see a bit of a rainbow/oil slick but with the screen on and the brightness even as low as 35% or full blast it's pretty much a no issue.
But in other lighting in my house & at times outdoors, I can't see any rainbow/slick whatsoever. So I don't know; to me the only time I notice it or it bugs me is when the screen is off.
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Just wasted $53.00 on the ZAGG Elite (full adhesive) for the Note 9. This thing cracked just using the included squeegee trying to get the massive amount of bubbles out. Now, I have the pay ZAGG $9.99 just to ship me a replacement.
Might order the G-Pel and give it a try while waiting on ZAGG to send my replacement.
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I used one of those and I have a few notes on it.
-Adheasive is strong and super thick. Will add impact protection but being so this squeegeeing you have to be careful. Very easy to crack since the adhesive is so thick and soft.
- One the corner would not stick. Mesured it at work the top right corners adheasive was 50um thicker then the rest. This was from a bad batche. Replacement was fine.
-borderes cutinto the display. You will lose the very edge and have an annoying tiny thin line of light when you are in a dark room looking at it.
-soft adheasive when pressing on a corner you can see it ooze out. It returns to normal but this will collect dust at the edges. I'm
Really like to see that as a all clear glass and better guide on how to squeegee it. Mine did not break but I could feel flex. Requires a more gentle touch when doing this. And the time required to get the bubbles out is increased 5 fold because of this. But that soft adheasive add impact protection.
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I used one of those and I have a few notes on it.
-Adheasive is strong and super thick. Will add impact protection but being so this squeegeeing you have to be careful. Very easy to crack since the adhesive is so thick and soft.
- One the corner would not stick. Mesured it at work the top right corners adheasive was 50um thicker then the rest. This was from a bad batche. Replacement was fine.
-borderes cutinto the display. You will lose the very edge and have an annoying tiny thin line of light when you are in a dark room looking at it.
-soft adheasive when pressing on a corner you can see it ooze out. It returns to normal but this will collect dust at the edges. I'm
Really like to see that as a all clear glass and better guide on how to squeegee it. Mine did not break but I could feel flex. Requires a more gentle touch when doing this. And the time required to get the bubbles out is increased 5 fold because of this. But that soft adheasive add impact protection.
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Thanks for this. This seems like a decent full adhesive protector though.
You got any tips to help me get the replacement on without cracking the thing?
I guess just be careful along the edges.
I had my first drop, from about 3 ft in the bathroom, on tile floor and it was fine. I HATE doing that, but no damage at all BUT...it looks like some dust worked it's way under the protector resting in the top middle, so must've jolted it enough for some dust to slip in. I dunno...
It's not the end of the world but goddamn, first world problems or not the whole screen protector gimmick is a pain in the a##! I know I keep hearing it from people I know " get the Dome" but I'm more worried about not installing it JUST so than the bread.
One other option I'm considering is a wrist strap. On some of the Ringke cases there is a hole pre made on the case, I guess if I kept using the Rebel I'd have to thread the lanyard deal through the SPen opening on that top lip area. I don't know...
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I had my first drop, from about 3 ft in the bathroom, on tile floor and it was fine. I HATE doing that, but no damage at all BUT...it looks like some dust worked it's way under the protector resting in the top middle, so must've jolted it enough for some dust to slip in. I dunno...
It's not the end of the world but goddamn, first world problems or not the whole screen protector gimmick is a pain in the a##! I know I keep hearing it from people I know " get the Dome" but I'm more worried about not installing it JUST so than the bread.
One other option I'm considering is a wrist strap. On some of the Ringke cases there is a hole pre made on the case, I guess if I kept using the Rebel I'd have to thread the lanyard deal through the SPen opening on that top lip area. I don't know...
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I don't use screen protectors myself,but,if I were in the same situation & the end result was merely a damaged screen protector,I'd consider myself fortunate & chalk one up in the win column.
Should my daily usage dictate that rollin' with one would be a wise decision,I'd definitely consider it.
The screen protector did its job,it saved your display & saved you from a costly repair.
If you were otherwise pleased w/the screen protector,I'd just get another,the price is certainly much less than a display replacement. (Perhaps pair it up w/a case-friendly Otterbox)
The only other option I'd look for is a screen protector that has some sort of free replacement,provided you're not on the hook for any fees (shipping/etc..).