Gorrila glass 2 and 3 seems weaker than the original. - Galaxy S 4 General

It is so sad to see samsung dropping the ball big time on the durability of their phones. Remember the galaxy S1 and S2? They still remain some of the toughest touch screen phones. However all that changed with the S3 which broke on the first sight of concrete and sometimes by merely getting some force inside the pocket or so I have heard. Now again seems same story with S4 all over again.
I think the main reason for all this is the ridiculous obsession with thinness, corning clearly seemed to have dropped the ball. Or is it samsung who doesnt care about it anymore?

Samsung did not drop the ball. There are just as many posts in the HTC One forums of people cracking screens. Even the Iphone 5 and 4s have widespread reports of cracked screens.
When you mix a thin device with ultra thin edge to edge glass, you really can't expect it to survive every impact.
Glass isn't diamond, nor are Sapphire screens indestructible, as thin as they are made if you hit them in the right spot they will crack.
It is the price we pay for having sleek devices. Quit your whining.

Gambler_3 said:
It is so sad to see samsung dropping the ball big time on the durability of their phones. Remember the galaxy S1 and S2? They still remain some of the toughest touch screen phones. However all that changed with the S3 which broke on the first sight of concrete and sometimes by merely getting some force inside the pocket or so I have heard. Now again seems same story with S4 all over again.
I think the main reason for all this is the ridiculous obsession with thinness, corning clearly seemed to have dropped the ball. Or is it samsung who doesnt care about it anymore?
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What I think is that gorilla glass 2 and 3 are really stronger, but those manufacturers take the advantage of it,
maintaining a level of sturdiness (which seems very low?) but keep making the glass thinner, which could make the phone slimmer.
The S3 has a curved glass which sticks out of the bezel of the phone, which I think is the reason of why S3 is weaker than S2.
but S4...

It's hard to say how much of it is the glass itself and how much is the rest of the phone design. My S1 has been a tank for sure (at least half a dozen hard drops) but the plastic bezel around the glass is so much thicker than on the new phones.
I'm being careful but I doubt a bare S4 would survive hard drops so I got a clear rubbery case for it. Funny thing is when I look at the two phones the case brings the S4 to about the same thickness, and also adds about the same 'buffer zone' around the glass. Check it out here: http://imgur.com/a/YPCPn#1
I'm trying not to test it (the softer plastic of the case is also grippier which is nice) but hopefully the S4 with the case is just as tough or tougher than the S1.
I guess one could see the push to thinner more fragile phones as an offered choice, you can have a smaller 8mm thick phone that is fragile or a bigger ~10mm thick unit that should be tougher. I'm really liking the weight and feel of the S4 with the case, while whenever I tried a case on the thicker S1 it made it feel like a clunky brick.

You need to know that the strengthen of GG isn't its shatter resistance but its scratch resistance.
This is why Corning always recommend manufacturer to put a rim around the display to avoid the screen from shatter even if it drops on the screen.
This is what Samsung did in the S1 and S2 but didn't in the S3. In the S4 there is a rim around the display but not on the corners, so when it falls on the top corners the display cracks. That's it.
Anyway, get a case and you'll see that it'll survive many drops

Of course the S1 & S2 has a smaller screen so its less prone to crack than the bigger screens (S3, S4). Thought this was common sense.
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MrPhilo said:
Of course the S1 & S2 has a smaller screen so its less prone to crack than the bigger screens (S3, S4). Thought this was common sense.
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Fine, someone pointed that out.
The SGS1 & 2 had smaller screens, larger bezel to display ratio and are lighter. Of course they are sturdier.

Yeah unfortunately this just seems to be the way it is. Manufacturers are making glass stronger but then using that to make devices thinner. As mentioned the S4 is particularly weak because of the screen's sheer size and minimal bezel to protect it.
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MrPhilo said:
Of course the S1 & S2 has a smaller screen so its less prone to crack than the bigger screens (S3, S4). Thought this was common sense.
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Galaxy nexus is pretty sturdy as well.....
IPhone 4/4S were very fragile despite the small screen.
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The curve screen seems to benefit it. I know there some scienctific explaination but im terrible at explaining.
The iPhone 4 & 4S front is all glass, so it breaks easier.
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Its not Samsung specific, if you look they are pretty much coating the phones.
They are making the phones thinner, the screens are thinner and bigger so more brittle. I think unless they can use a new material that has a far higher strength we are going to see more and more of this or make the phone thicker?

I think that people think gorilla glass is alot stronger then it is. For sure its stronger then most glass but at the end of the day its still glass and it will crack and shatter

Dragon Trail glass ftw.
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It's all about the angle of impact and how the energy from the impact spreading doing whatever damage it does on the way.
However as mentioned by some others - more glass there is more chance of a damage - as you can use your phone if the plastic/metal bits are damaged on the outside - however if the screen does get damaged, being touch screen you are more or less screwed as the 'keyboard' would also be unusable.

Hey guys, just for the record. I've already found a few microscopic scratches on my supposedly indestructible gorilla glass 3. When I see all those scratching the screen with a knife videos on YouTube I really don't understand how people get away with it without having scratched the screen. I always keep my phone in my left jeans pocket with the screen facing the leg. I also never put it screen down on anything whatsoever plus I'm very careful with the screen just because I hate screen protectors. So I really don't understand where these scratches come from. I mean they're so small that you can barely see them with your naked eye. But nevertheless they're there. My 3 year old galaxy s1 which I treated like a ***** for the best part of the last year doesn't have any scratches whatsoever. Just saying

Phandroid said:
Hey guys, just for the record. I've already found a few microscopic scratches on my supposedly indestructible gorilla glass 3. When I see all those scratching the screen with a knife videos on YouTube I really don't understand how people get away with it without having scratched the screen. I always keep my phone in my left jeans pocket with the screen facing the leg. I also never put it screen down on anything whatsoever plus I'm very careful with the screen just because I hate screen protectors. So I really don't understand where these scratches come from. I mean they're so small that you can barely see them with your naked eye. But nevertheless they're there. My 3 year old galaxy s1 which I treated like a ***** for the best part of the last year doesn't have any scratches whatsoever. Just saying
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gorilla glass has never been indestructible. and it is probably silica that is scratching your screen. that, or you've mistaken your oleophobic coating to have scratches and just need to wipe it properly.

Sorry but silica are you referring to? I was hoping it would be smears but you really can't wipe it away... unfortunately

Sand.
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My sand box days are long over, I don't think there's sand in my pockets...

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My sand box days are long over, I don't think there's sand in my pockets...
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You'd be surprised. The world is a sandbox.
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[Q] How Scratch-Resistant is the NS glass?

Hey Guys,
as the topic says, I would like to know your expierences about the scratch-resistance of the Nexus S glass.
I couldnt find anything on the net about it, only some screen protector tests, which isnt the point.
So what do you think? Is the surface pretty sensetive, should I buy a screen protector?
Greets
No scientific test here but I've had my phone for nearly a month and keep it in my pocket with no case or screen protector. I have minor scratches on the plastic back but my screen is still flawless.
Yeah I´ve read alot about the batterycase and that it scratches pretty fast! Im gonna visist my girlfriend in UK and want to buy the Nexus S there. Its only available at carphone warehouse am I right? Do they sell the white version already?
Haven't seen the white version here yet and yes only carphone warehouse sells it in the UK.
I do not own the Nexus S, but as far as I can tell from the internet, the display is from glass. That means it is as scratch-resistant as any other phone with a glass display. Yes, including phones with Gorilla Glass. Gorilla Glass only prevents the display from cracking.
The battery cover, however, is another story. Plastic has it advantages (lighter, better if you drop your phone), but you'll probably get a lot of micro-scratches over time. No big scratches, just a couple of little ones.
So my advise is: don't buy a screen protector. If you really want it, go for a super clear one, like a Seidio USG Crystal Clear. At least they don't mess with the displays colours and with the feel of the glass.
But you may consider protection for the plastic back. You could spray PlastiDip on your battery cover, buy a case or keep your phone in a pouch.
The nexus s is very much sensitive to scratches. After having the phone for about a week, I noticed fine micro scratches. I'm very careful with my phone, so more than likely they came from taking it in and out of my pocket probably due to the rough fabric of my jeans. And no I don't keep any debris in my pocket while my phone is in there. My nexus one never developed those type of scratches and there were times when my N1 was placed in my pocket with coins! imho gorilla glass does make a world of difference when it comes to scratch resistance. The NS definitely needs a protector if you want to keep the screen pristine.
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princeasi said:
The nexus s is very much sensitive to scratches. After having the phone for about a week, I noticed fine micro scratches. I'm very careful with my phone, so more than likely they came from taking it in and out of my pocket probably due to the rough fabric of my jeans. And no I don't keep any debris in my pocket while my phone is in there. My nexus one never developed those type of scratches and there were times when my N1 was placed in my pocket with coins! imho gorilla glass does make a world of difference when it comes to scratch resistance. The NS definitely needs a protector if you want to keep the screen pristine.
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I carried my NS in my pocket with my Zippo for a week and the screen never got scratched once. I'm having an issue seeing how a metal lighter case wouldn't scratch the screen but your jeans would? Unless your jeans are made of diamonds....
If you get scratches with your Nexus S, and not with your Nexus One, then you are just being unlucky. Gorilla Glass has nothing to do with it. Besides, the Nexus One also hasn't got Gorilla Glass.
That YOU get scratches on your display, doesn't mean it scratches very easily. And that you're very careful with it, also isn't an argument: as I said, sometimes it's just bad luck.
Please, anyone who wants to know if the Nexus S scratches easily (the display), ignore those 'the Nexus S scratches very easily compared to another device' replies.
Mine has not scratched on the screen at all. I typically leave it in my back jeans pocket. The black plastic has very tiny micro scratches that can only be seen at a certain angle from direct sunlight or fluorescent bulbs.
The only issue for me is the creakiness of the back cover. Whenever I press down on the plastic near the bottom and top sides of the phone it sounds like its crying out in pain =/
Androyed said:
If you get scratches with your Nexus S, and not with your Nexus One, then you are just being unlucky. Gorilla Glass has nothing to do with it. Besides, the Nexus One also hasn't got Gorilla Glass.
That YOU get scratches on your display, doesn't mean it scratches very easily. And that you're very careful with it, also isn't an argument: as I said, sometimes it's just bad luck.
Please, anyone who wants to know if the Nexus S scratches easily (the display), ignore those 'the Nexus S scratches very easily compared to another device' replies.
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I'm not gonna go back and forth with you on this topic but I will say this..... Honestly, I can care less about what happens to your device. Who ever chooses not to use a protector on their phone is their business, not mine! What I offered was my personal experience and advice to the one who asked for our input. Ok, so what if the N1 doesn't have gorilla glass. Whatever glass the N1 uses, is different from the NS and I know personally what happened to my NS and what didn't to my N1. I'm very finicky when it comes to scratches on my phones. Not once did I ever have to put a protector on my N1. Luck had nothing to do with my NS getting micro-scratches. It's has everything to do with the way the screen was manufactured and what rubbed against it through my everyday usage!
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kenvan19 said:
I carried my NS in my pocket with my Zippo for a week and the screen never got scratched once. I'm having an issue seeing how a metal lighter case wouldn't scratch the screen but your jeans would? Unless your jeans are made of diamonds....
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Quoted to reiterate the point. Glass I'd glass when it comes to scratches. Period.
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EDIT: If you want a really scratch "resistent" (I say resistent because my wife is making me, I disagree) get someone to make a sapphire screen for your phone. Its common practice in high end watches and, as I own one, I can testify to its inability to scratch. I get quite a kick from taking some random very hard material and rubbing it against the face only to have it come out unscathed. The only issue that'd arise is if you scratched it with a diamond...then it would definitely scratch.
kenvan19 said:
I carried my NS in my pocket with my Zippo for a week and the screen never got scratched once. I'm having an issue seeing how a metal lighter case wouldn't scratch the screen but your jeans would? Unless your jeans are made of diamonds....
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I don't know exactly where the scratches came from. They could've gotten there from a hard dust particle rubbing against it while cleaning my screen. The scratches I had weren't deep scratches. They could only be seen at an angle when light hit it....If you're definitely sure of your screen, why don't you bless all of us with an uploaded personal video of the key test?!
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Lol guys come down .
So just to make it clear, the micro scratches on yr NS are on the back or on the display? Display right?
The point of my topic is just, that if I buy a nice phone like this I would like to use it as clean as possible, means only necessary accessories.
I had the Galaxy S before and Im gonna buy the NS now, before all of them the Desire. The problem is just that u always have to wrap the phone with stuff to make it "safer" and then u dont really see much of the design, the nice look of the phone, but it seems like this is just not possible right now .
Anyway I baught a silicon case so far, is there a good cheap screen protector on ebay or a brand u know?
And before I forget, I read that the NS has a "anti-fat" layer, so there arent really fat traces on the display, is this right? Would suck if yes, because its really annoying and I wouldnt like to lose this because of a screen protector .
Greets
The scratches I'm speaking on are on the display screen.
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Robse86 said:
Lol guys come down .
So just to make it clear, the micro scratches on yr NS are on the back or on the display? Display right?
The point of my topic is just, that if I buy a nice phone like this I would like to use it as clean as possible, means only necessary accessories.
I had the Galaxy S before and Im gonna buy the NS now, before all of them the Desire. The problem is just that u always have to wrap the phone with stuff to make it "safer" and then u dont really see much of the design, the nice look of the phone, but it seems like this is just not possible right now .
Anyway I baught a silicon case so far, is there a good cheap screen protector on ebay or a brand u know?
And before I forget, I read that the NS has a "anti-fat" layer, so there arent really fat traces on the display, is this right? Would suck if yes, because its really annoying and I wouldnt like to lose this because of a screen protector .
Greets
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Its suuuuuuuuper thin. I love it.
At the guy who got scratches on his screen. I still don't get it man. I cleaned my screen with a microfiber cloth two to three times a day before I got a screen protector. As I said, I carried it in my pocket with my lighter most times, but sometimes in the pocket with my change and still no scratches. Not to mention dropping it a few times. I just can't see how having it in your jeans could scratch it since I felt my lighter rub against my screen.
I'm not stupid though man, its f***ing glass. It'll scratch. But I've never seen glass scratch from jeans. Its just not nearly abrasive enough.
kenvan19 said:
Its suuuuuuuuper thin. I love it.
At the guy who got scratches on his screen. I still don't get it man. I cleaned my screen with a microfiber cloth two to three times a day before I got a screen protector. As I said, I carried it in my pocket with my lighter most times, but sometimes in the pocket with my change and still no scratches. Not to mention dropping it a few times. I just can't see how having it in your jeans could scratch it since I felt my lighter rub against my screen.
I'm not stupid though man, its f***ing glass. It'll scratch. But I've never seen glass scratch from jeans. Its just not nearly abrasive enough.
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Then do a f**kin lighter test then. Rub that sh!t against your NS display screen and post the f**kin video lmmfao! Let us all see just how lighter resistant your NS is! That would be interesting to watch lolll!
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kenvan19 said:
Its suuuuuuuuper thin. I love it.
At the guy who got scratches on his screen. I still don't get it man. I cleaned my screen with a microfiber cloth two to three times a day before I got a screen protector. As I said, I carried it in my pocket with my lighter most times, but sometimes in the pocket with my change and still no scratches. Not to mention dropping it a few times. I just can't see how having it in your jeans could scratch it since I felt my lighter rub against my screen.
I'm not stupid though man, its f***ing glass. It'll scratch. But I've never seen glass scratch from jeans. Its just not nearly abrasive enough.
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Thin? The phone or the screen protector ? Well well then I have to buy a screen protector , is there a good one ?
I've had my NS for over a month. It has never seen a case. It's been in pants with keys, in pants with an un-cased iPhone 4, in pants with change, in jackets with keys and change, in a courrier bag with keys, change, a sharp metal mini-hard drive enclosure and dropped onto pavement a few times. The screen is absolutely scratch free.
There is a TINY bit of visible wear on the plastic back - especially at the very top and the very bottom, which are the leading edges when inserting and withdrawing it from a pocket.
One thing that has not been extensively examined so far - the "contour" display on the NS puts the entire face under more compression load when static, meaning that it will be MUCH harder to fracture, and therefore scratch, for a given strength of glass, since compression is where glass is strong.
Also, here is a little lesson on Gorilla Glass and any hardened glass. They are chemically treated to better resist surface flaws by creating compression in the surface of the glass. For Gorilla Glass, Corning starts with already-more-durable alumosilicate glass, and then uses their proprietary treatment it to better resist surface fracturing by penetrating more deeply than "traditional" glass hardening treatments on soda-lime glass - this means that, while you can still scratch it, the glass won't fracture as much around the contact, so you won't be able to see it as much. All of this is available on Corning's website.
For points of reference, here are my last 4 phones, their relative abuse states and what I saw out of them:
NS - one month+, hard use including travel, abuse my 2 and 3 year old kids, my daily high-speed bike commute over cobbled parisien streets, etc. Zero screen scratches. Oleophobic treatment seems to be holding up better than Apple's examples.
iPhone 4 - 4 months hard use as a phone, 2 more moderate use as a super-duper high-end iPod touch. Several very tiny scratches on the screen, and numerous tiny scratches on the back, then the screen shattered in the pocket of my jeans alone sometime on a transatlantic flight. I replaced the front and back with the "acquired" real Apple iPhone 4 white components someone stole out of Shenzen and sold through a site in NYC. One month light iPod use since, no marks.
N1 - 5 months as primary phone, then a 4 month break, then almost 2 more months as a phone when, battery be damned, I could no longer support the crappy mail and chat on the iPhone 4. It suffered very heavy use and abuse, including NUMEROUS hard drops and falls onto pavement and stone thanks to kids. The metal frame around the screen is VERY beaten up, and the edge has even cracked slightly on the screen from the compression around the metal edge, but the screen itself has no scratches.
Milestone (euro version of the Droid, complete with Gorilla Glass) - primary phone for about 3 months, and it had a long scratch down the face less than a month after buying it. But in this case, I know EXACTLY when it happened. It was in my wife's jacket pocket, and she gored it with diamond ring.
Finally, I don't think that anyone really KNOWS what glass is used in the Nexus S except for Samsung (and their provider, if there is one). I know that the Galaxy S, Epic, Vibrant, Continium, Captivate, and many other Samsung phones do use Corning's baby. I also know that many other products use it without mentioning it. I know that the iPhone claims not to, but that it does use some specially-treated alumosilicate glass.
princeasi said:
Then do a f**kin lighter test then. Rub that sh!t against your NS display screen and post the f**kin video lmmfao! Let us all see just how lighter resistant your NS is! That would be interesting to watch lolll!
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Better yet why don't I do a jeans test to see how stupid you are.
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I've had my NS for over a month. It has never seen a case. It's been in pants with keys, in pants with an un-cased iPhone 4, in pants with change, in jackets with keys and change, in a courrier bag with keys, change, a sharp metal mini-hard drive enclosure and dropped onto pavement a few times. The screen is absolutely scratch free.
There is a TINY bit of visible wear on the plastic back - especially at the very top and the very bottom, which are the leading edges when inserting and withdrawing it from a pocket.
One thing that has not been extensively examined so far - the "contour" display on the NS puts the entire face under more compression load when static, meaning that it will be MUCH harder to fracture, and therefore scratch, for a given strength of glass, since compression is where glass is strong.
Also, here is a little lesson on Gorilla Glass and any hardened glass. They are chemically treated to better resist surface flaws by creating compression in the surface of the glass. For Gorilla Glass, Corning starts with already-more-durable alumosilicate glass, and then uses their proprietary treatment it to better resist surface fracturing by penetrating more deeply than "traditional" glass hardening treatments on soda-lime glass - this means that, while you can still scratch it, the glass won't fracture as much around the contact, so you won't be able to see it as much. All of this is available on Corning's website.
For points of reference, here are my last 4 phones, their relative abuse states and what I saw out of them:
NS - one month+, hard use including travel, abuse my 2 and 3 year old kids, my daily high-speed bike commute over cobbled parisien streets, etc. Zero screen scratches. Oleophobic treatment seems to be holding up better than Apple's examples.
iPhone 4 - 4 months hard use as a phone, 2 more moderate use as a super-duper high-end iPod touch. Several very tiny scratches on the screen, and numerous tiny scratches on the back, then the screen shattered in the pocket of my jeans alone sometime on a transatlantic flight. I replaced the front and back with the "acquired" real Apple iPhone 4 white components someone stole out of Shenzen and sold through a site in NYC. One month light iPod use since, no marks.
N1 - 5 months as primary phone, then a 4 month break, then almost 2 more months as a phone when, battery be damned, I could no longer support the crappy mail and chat on the iPhone 4. It suffered very heavy use and abuse, including NUMEROUS hard drops and falls onto pavement and stone thanks to kids. The metal frame around the screen is VERY beaten up, and the edge has even cracked slightly on the screen from the compression around the metal edge, but the screen itself has no scratches.
Milestone (euro version of the Droid, complete with Gorilla Glass) - primary phone for about 3 months, and it had a long scratch down the face less than a month after buying it. But in this case, I know EXACTLY when it happened. It was in my wife's jacket pocket, and she gored it with diamond ring.
Finally, I don't think that anyone really KNOWS what glass is used in the Nexus S except for Samsung (and their provider, if there is one). I know that the Galaxy S, Epic, Vibrant, Continium, Captivate, and many other Samsung phones do use Corning's baby. I also know that many other products use it without mentioning it. I know that the iPhone claims not to, but that it does use some specially-treated alumosilicate glass.
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Robse86, listen to this guy. He knows what he is talking about. A screen protector isn't really necessary. That doesn't mean the screen can't be scratched, so don't blame us when it does scratch. You should consider a case, if you don't like the micro-scratches that often appear on the battery cover.
Anyway, listen to big_adventure.

Do you use a case?

If not, do you have any scratches on the camera glass or the body?
Nope...But I'm a VERY brave person
I had a zagg protector on my original EVO...It eventually fell off and it was later discovered they indeed had Gorilla glass. So I left it off. No scratches. No discernible micro-scratches either. Damn that glass IS tough. No case on it, I never dropped it.
I've only dropped one phone in all my life and that was an HTC Touch (windows mobile) in a Manhattan subway...It had a thin rubber gel like protector and it was fine.
So if you think you'll drop it, then get a case. Otherwise I've never had any issues with phones in my pocket. Completely unprotected Palm Pre and original EVO 4G that I had in my pocket. I did have the EVO 4G from Best Buy that was black and white and the white part of the case discolored a little bit. I don't know if that will happen with the white One X...The material is different...But who knows. That is one thing that did in fact pop to mind when the AT&T stored asked if I wanted to also buy a case.
However, I didn't buy any case or screen protector. If you're worried and have ANY doubt, I would always suggest buying these though. Unless you're just really rich and can buy a new one =) Or have a good insurance plan and don't mind paying the premium haha.
i always use tpu cases since i dropped my last phone and cracked the screen.
no scratches on the body and the camera sits slightly below the case so no scratches there either
I think I might go caseless. I'm mainly worried about the camera, but on the AT&T model is sits in the ring surrounding just enough not to touch a surface when you lay it down.
oh and for what it's worth i may have scratches in my camera on my phones. but minor scratches will go unnoticed because A. it's not the actual lens and even if it was B. cameras work fine with minor scratches on lenses, filters, or any other material covering them because they focus beyond that point. the minimum focus distance could never capture those scratches. they are waaaay blown out. could it make your photo look soft?? maybe... maybe... but the quality isn't exactly perfect on a camera phone anyway.
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I think I might go caseless. I'm mainly worried about the camera, but on the AT&T model is sits in the ring surrounding just enough not to touch a surface when you lay it down.
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A grain of sand is large enough to touch that recessed glass if it's on a table.
Edit: Maybe we just got some big ass sand in Florida..
I haven't used cases on my past few phones. After 22 months of being in my pockets with keys and all the rest, my captivate shows a bit of wear, mostly scratches from being dropped (oops), but the screen is still in great condition. I'd expect the One X is hold up even better.
If it gets too unsightly, THEN I'll get case
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A grain of sand is large enough to touch that recessed glass if it's on a table.
Edit: Maybe we just got some big ass sand in Florida..
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Not really on either of those... yes, sand/salt/etc could scratch lens if the lens was sitting flat, however when you sit your phone down flat, look at it from the side... the phone rests on two points... the metal/plastic rim around the camera and then one towards the bottom of the phone... in turn, there is actually a large gap between the camera lens and the surface.
I've got a screen protector because I prefer the feel, but no case. Had it since Sunday; not a scratch anywhere.
Camera doesn't touch if on a flat surface.
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EESteve said:
I've got a screen protector because I prefer the feel, but no case. Had it since Sunday; not a scratch anywhere.
Camera doesn't touch if on a flat surface.
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You prefer the feel of the screen protector? After coming from 2 iPhones this is the best feeling glass my fingers have ever touched. Plus, it seems to be very resistant to fingerprints.
As for a case, I'll probably get a thin silicone one for the ocassions where the phone may be dropped. Will be caseless most of the time.
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I don't use a case or screen protector I've dropped it plenty of times quite hard a few times, the back smooth part has very tiny tiny scratches from sliding none on the camera or the screen. I'm ocd about how my phone looks my iPhone 4 had a scratch and I made up some BS story about bad charging to get it replaced but this phones built really well I don't have the 70$ a month warranty from att so knock on wood no issues yet
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Until I see a white Otterbox Commuter. Im keeping mine naked. Black/blue case look weird when the white trim of my X shows in the front
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I think the hox is just to sexy to cover it up with a screen protector or case so going naked. Had a zag on my last phone and a gel case but after a while the screen protector got dirty all around the edges so I took it off and ordered a replacement but by the time I got it I got to used to the natural feel of the screen so I never put it back on and I never liked the feel of the gel case. I've had my hox since last Friday and there's not a mark on it so I'm very pleased with it as is.
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I'm going caseless this time. I used a case (Body Glove) on my Captivate for two years, but never a screen protector, and that screen is still pristine. And I don't really mind scratches elsewhere, although of course I try to avoid them. My phone lives in my left pants pocket, all by itself.
Edit: I'll probably try to get in the habit of setting the phone down face-up, since it does sit on the glass otherwise. The Captivate has very small ridges on the sides so that even face-down it's not on the glass.
No case and no screen protector. I've never been a fan of buying a sleek phone and making it a fatty.
No scratches on phone body or lens.
Naked for me. I love the glass feeling and do not like screen protectors, and likewise with the body: looks and feels best without a case, why mess with it. I've dropped my captivate dozens of times without damage that effects any function besides the open/close usb cover.
I'll be careful, I promise.
Dropping phones is just a matter of how soon for me but still i refuse to use a case. I think it ruins the look and feel of a phone.
So no case for me.
I'm glad to see this thread I have a white hox and have the darn commuter case but I wanna show this thing off .but I'm odd and constantly worried about the Camera lens. What should I do
Again, that's not the lens. It's a piece of glass or plastic on top of the lens. Granted, I doubt you can replace it... My point is that any minor scratches on that won't have an effect on the camera.
I can't say I'm a "professional" photographer because that would imply me getting paid which I haven't been paid for my photography in years...But I DO shoot a LOT with good equipment. That said, I have filters with scratches in them that are still quite usable.
You can't see the scratches in a piece of glass, plastic, etc. that is put directly over top of your lens because the focal point is beyond it. Only if you really really scratch it up will it make a difference. A single scratch alone is not enough. Then factor in the quality of the camera to begin with...You'd never be able to point out the defects in a photo from a few scratches on the case's lens cover. I mean you gotta really scratch it up.
edit -- however, since it's a smaller area, it could take less scratches before you notice a difference... but still, a scratch or two won't make a difference. also, the more you get the softer the image, you could create a permanent "soft focus" filter ha. but i wouldn't worry about a single scratch or two. on top of how small the area for the lens is, i've just never had issues. Attached is a photo my original EVO and all the scratches it took over a 2 year period. There's one larger scratch that actually even covers the area of the lens and I still don't notice it in any shots.
Just click the link, I'm not resizing it and you can't change dimensions through this forum???
http://www.shift8creative.com/temp-stuff/IMAG0001.jpg
Taken with the One X, not bad zoom! =)
mesasone said:
I haven't used cases on my past few phones. After 22 months of being in my pockets with keys and all the rest, my captivate shows a bit of wear, mostly scratches from being dropped (oops), but the screen is still in great condition. I'd expect the One X is hold up even better.
If it gets too unsightly, THEN I'll get case
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How is your gorilla glass?

Hi Guys,
Do you have scratches on your butterfly screen?
I can't find a decent protector that cover the screen fully in Singapore and now there is quite a few scatches on my screen. They are not visible when the screen is on but quite visible when they are off.
Quite disappointed with the quality of the gorilla screen.
The gorrila glass of Butterfly is very good (for me). My daughter use ball pen to draw on the monitor, no problem, her hand very dirty with alot of dust and play game (ninja fruit) on my phone, no problem... No scratch on my Butterfly upto now after 2 months.
Suggest for you:
If you want a screen protector, you could find the Nilkin or Rock protector for x920d, fit perfectly (except curved part at border of the screen). I just have free protector included in box when I bought the Nilkin backcover and just install for some days, quite good, fit, nice, clean and clear,
I have several nasty scratches on my glass. My S3 did a much better job than my butterfly in resisting scratches.
I am using the nillkin screen protector for x920d but still doesn't fit nicely.... it can't even cover the entire screen that is the display part....so i understand what deweylim is experiencing. I"m so tempted to tear it off..but then again.....scratches....:S scary...
any remedies we can use on the scatches? sigh..
It is just a 2 month old phone..
Well I must admit, Gorilla Glass sucks pretty much. Despite all fancy videos posted on Youtube.
My old Desire S once was near to me when I peeled tangerine. Sprays from the peel fallen on the screen and i didn't notice that. Of course I cleaned it later and glass looked like new... but since then it catches grease very fast and in nasty stains. Looks awful.
Butterfly first impressed me very much with its grease-repelling surface. But hell, one time I put my phone in same pocket with car keys and boom! here's scratch. Damned keys made of soft metal, that unable to scratch even regular glass, suddenly was hard enough to scratch Gorilla Glass2?? Couldn't believe that, but it's the fact.
Anyway, it looks like guys from Corning Glass have lost something very important in their researches.
I think I won't buy next phone unless it has new sapphire glass. Hope it won't be same joke as Gorilla Glass
deweylim said:
any remedies we can use on the scatches? sigh..
It is just a 2 month old phone..
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I tried today using a strop loaded with some high grit compound from a bar that i use to strop my single bladed razor and knives seem to remove the scratches from my screen. high grit as in ~6-12k i actually don't know. But somewhere there because it gives my razor blades a polished mirror finish. Not a perfect mirror but enough for you to realise that you have a pimple on your forehead.
I got my screen looking like I just got it.
Remember to try on some corner of the screen first to make sure it doesn't scratch it then move on to your actual screen!!! I don't want to be blamed for screens that look like the surface of a chopping board! :cyclops:
I'm dissapointed like the rest of you with the resistance of this screen.
Hope your screen stropping works out fine! I'm happy with mine
The black borders surrounding the screen on my Butterfly is already faded less than a month after I got it. It was really disheartening the first time I saw it.
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The black borders surrounding the screen on my Butterfly is already faded less than a month after I got it. It was really disheartening the first time I saw it.
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how does it fade? I don't think its meant to fade. I'm pretty sure that you can get your phone replaced by whoever sold it to you. that's a defect with the craftsmanship of the phone.
Gorilla glass is not so good. And it has nothing to do with butterfly. Gorilla glass on my previous sgs3 was bad I wore the phone only in my pocket and cared of it very good, but on the glass were scratches.
The one place I like Gorilla Glass better than others out there is the feel and texture ... what I mean is like keep rubbing your finger on an iPhone/Asus/etc and same thing on a Gorilla Glass, the others will get high friction very quickly whereas Gorilla one stays smoother longer ...
Its because of the glass texture that you can see if you see at the phone at a horizontal angle in light
phone's almost 6 months here and screen's fine. except for a dent on the side when it fell once.
There're actually a few things that gorilla glass can't handle, like most common is Quartz aka 'sand'
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Gorilla Screen .... Hmmm.....
What do you think????

[Q] Does the N5 screen scratch easily?

I remember when I got my Galaxy Nexus and kept it unprotected in my pocket, it developed some nasty scratches in the coating on the screen. It was very sensitive to even pocket lint. When I got a warranty replacement the first thing I did was take it directly to get a screen protector. On the other hand my Nexus One and HTC Panache never scratched after months bare in the pocket.
Any thoughts on whether the N5 screen is "safe" in a pocket unprotected?
Curious about this also although there's certainly no way to tell. Its got Gorilla Glass 3 on if you care about a name.
I can say this, my Nexus 7 screen has taken a helluva beating, between dropping remote controls, PlayStation controllers and my HTC one (metal down), it doesn't have a scratch on it.
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I remember when I got my Galaxy Nexus and kept it unprotected in my pocket, it developed some nasty scratches in the coating on the screen. It was very sensitive to even pocket lint. When I got a warranty replacement the first thing I did was take it directly to get a screen protector. On the other hand my Nexus One and HTC Panache never scratched after months bare in the pocket.
Any thoughts on whether the N5 screen is "safe" in a pocket unprotected?
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The Nexus 5 has a Gorilla Glass 3 screen, while the Galaxy Nexus used some sort of "fortified glass" from an un-named manufacturer to perhaps save costs. I would expect the Nexus 5 to be a little more scratch-resistant as a result, but obviously that doesn't mean you can't or won't get scratches.
You have to decide for yourself whether or not a screen-protector is worth it. I have tended to go with one for the extra peace-of-mind, but it isn't without trade-offs, because I do find interacting with the touchscreen is nicer when it is stock.
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The Nexus 5 has a Gorilla Glass 3 screen, while the Galaxy Nexus used some sort of "fortified glass" from an un-named manufacturer to perhaps save costs. I would expect the Nexus 5 to be a little more scratch-resistant as a result, but obviously that doesn't mean you can't or won't get scratches.
You have to decide for yourself whether or not a screen-protector is worth it. I have tended to go with one for the extra peace-of-mind, but it isn't without trade-offs, because I do find interacting with the touchscreen is nicer when it is stock.
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Excellent response. +1
Gorilla glass 3 should definitely make for a pretty scratch resistant screen, but sand will still scratch it(hardness 7) . As well as diamond (hardness 10) . Anything with a hardness factor of 6 or higher I believe. All common metals won't scratch the screen at all so that's nothing to worry about. I don't use a screen protector on my One and it has only 2 tiny scratches you can only see when shining a bright light over the spot. If keeping the screen perfect is that important you should get a glass screen protector. Spigen's actually has a hardness factor of 7 or 8 I believe which is real impressive.
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Yeah, I was just shocked after the resilience of the N1 and Panache (MyTouch 4G) screens that something as simple as pocket lint could so terribly scar the GNex screen. So I would hope for better.
I do like that cool touch of glass on warm fingers.
My HTC One X has "Corning Gorilla Glass 2" and got a big fat scratch.
My Phone will arrive on Monday and first thing to do is applying a screen protector
OK well it's not as blatant as on the GNex, but in the glare of bright direct light I can see very tiny surface scratches, presumably from little pocket lint abrasions.
In any case I just initiated a warranty swap for dead pixels. I have never heard of Google rejecting a warranty swap for minuscule wear-and-tear imperfections. So I will take my chances with the swap and bring the new one to my trusty local applicator to get a protector applied.

Glass My Ass

Take a look at Jerry rigs damage test. Plastic AF.
https://youtu.be/bbAkY-Www40
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Yes i do agree its not glass. Once you close the phone the screen is not exposed with keys or whatever is your pocket or bag. You should see my s10 plus I went 1 week without a screen protector and the amount of scratches. I believe if mistaken. Glass is will have to softer in order to avoid it shattering from small drops.
I think the interesting side note is that Samsung is providing a one time screen protector if applied and procured through its channels only..
I'm sure they've worked the on finger feel for the plastic to feel ok. I'm also sure some of that note ten screen protector tech will be in that protector. It was ok.
That said the second I moved to a Whitestone it was night and day.
I think I was on the fence and this just made. Me climb back down. Too risky for the cash now. It was so close to perfection too. Marketing depts are evil bastards.
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If it Helps!
I have been a proud owner of the original fold for nearly 5 months now and my device is ABSOLUTELY PRISTINE. I use the Samsung leather case most of the time and when visiting dusty/ sandy/wet environments, I additionally keep it in a shock sock. This might sound a bit of a faff but for the way I use it (and I have a specific usage case for needing a phone come tablet ) it is no problem at all. I will not be buying a Z flip for myself (having laid out £2000 for the fold) but the wife seems VERY interested in something that will fit neatly into a pocket or bag - maybe a birthday present for her, she, like me is careful with her tech so I cant see her trashing this sort of screen either !
There is glass under the plastic
There is a tear down on youtube that clearly proves there is a layer of thin glass under a plastic layer and above the oled screen.
If you touch a polymer surface that is susceptible to the same damage as any plastic screen then it's all marketing fluff. Feel and hardness are the benefits. This was not about that. It was a huge grand claim the defied physics. Their words, not mine.
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