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So pretty much every reviewer has commented on the challenges with the fingerprint sensor as we expected. The other interesting thing is that the reviews call out the difficulty of using the iris scanner since you need to position it just right and on the other hand, facial recognition is lightning fast, but not very secure. What will you use?
My thoughts here are that facial recognition isn't really that bad. Who are you trying to protect against? If the phone is at your house/work or whatever, most of the people in a vicinity of your phone aren't really out to hurt you by using a picture to get into your phone. If you lost your phone, just use Google Device Manager to kill the facial unlock.
Thoughts?
Face-unlock sucks unless the device using it has a decent IR light on it. When I worked IT I would get to the office before the lights came on and the little bit of sunlight wasnt enough for the phone to properly read my face. Facial hair pissed it off, too.
Considering the home button on my Note 5 is a terrible place for fingerprint reader, the S8+ will be an improvement over that. Touching the camera glass is a non-issue... A light fingerprint wont cause any noticable impact on photo quality, and even if it did it takes all of a half second to wipe it clean.
I will probably use iris unless it sucks for me, then I will just use fingerprint till the iris scanner gets sorted. I guess I will put a vote in for Iris then.
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Face-unlock sucks unless the device using it has a decent IR light on it. When I worked IT I would get to the office before the lights came on and the little bit of sunlight wasnt enough for the phone to properly read my face. Facial hair pissed it off, too.
Considering the home button on my Note 5 is a terrible place for fingerprint reader, the S8+ will be an improvement over that. Touching the camera glass is a non-issue... A light fingerprint wont cause any noticable impact on photo quality, and even if it did it takes all of a half second to wipe it clean.
I will probably use iris unless it sucks for me, then I will just use fingerprint till the iris scanner gets sorted. I guess I will put a vote in for Iris then.
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Totally valid points - allegedly Samsung has improved face unlock to be really good, so it will be interesting to see in low light. I know you can use fingerprint + iris, but not sure you can use fingerprint + face unlock.
Something I wish came stock was the ability to snap a picture with the front and/or back camera whenever someone failed to unlock the device...
Unfortunately I cant test the iris unlock or facial unlock till freakin Tuesday because Best Buy is terrible and I should have known better...
Same always, 4 digit passcode. What's wrong with people. I'm not volunteering my biometrics to ANYONE. EVER. That's "jail bait"
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Something I wish came stock was the ability to snap a picture with the front and/or back camera whenever someone failed to unlock the device...
Unfortunately I cant test the iris unlock or facial unlock till freakin Tuesday because Best Buy is terrible and I should have known better...
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Cerberus can do this
The Phone Company said:
Same always, 4 digit passcode. What's wrong with people. I'm not volunteering my biometrics to ANYONE. EVER. That's "jail bait"
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Not really for this thread but... Biometrics are stored locally. Also your pin is far more insecure given that anyone can see it and every store you are in has cameras which will pick up your pin
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Cerberus can eat me. I had a lifetime membership with them but then they decided more money was better than good relationships with customers so they expired all of the promotional lifetime memberships. This was their official statement:
"We had to revoke free lifetime licenses that were given away during a few promotions we made years ago. We apologize for this and know it is a bad PR move, unfortunately it was not feasible anymore for us to provide a free service for life.
Free licenses will expire about 3 years after their beginning, and affected users will be notified via email before the license expires. We hope Cerberus helped those users recover a lost or stolen device, and that they will consider buying a license to continue to use our service. Paid licenses are not affected."
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Cerberus can do this
Not really for this thread but... Biometrics are stored locally. Also your pin is far more insecure given that anyone can see it and every store you are in has cameras which will pick up your pin
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This is a security announcement, for your safety we recommend… always shield your pin. If you see something suspicious.
This is for the "always be in fear" crowd. I am not one of those goats. Security update my @$$. Having used Windows 7 for the past decade I do not allow "Automatic Updates". Same with Samsung, "Security Update: Improves Performance, Prolongs Battery Life". This is a 'Trojan Horse' to get your biometrics on the grid. What next, DNA Tester? Blood Sample?
Even IF someone has my PIN, then what? Do they have my phone? Even if I had your phone locked down with Fingerprint Lock, I can just reset the device?
Nope, not buying it. That stuff's for the goats.
I used Iris unlock on both of the Note 7s I had and never had any issues. It even worked when I had my glasses on.
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This is a security announcement, for your safety we recommend… always shield your pin. If you see something suspicious. This is for the "always be in fear" crowd. I am not one of those goats. Security update my @$$. Having used Windows 7 for the past decade I do not allow "Automatic Updates". Same with Samsung...
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Wait.... are you saying you've refused updates on Win7 for 10 years? Entirely?
I must be reading that wrong. Because an unpatched Windows 7 machine (nevermind apps) would be an exploit playground. And same with Samsung.
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Even if I had your phone locked down with Fingerprint Lock, I can just reset the device?
Nope, not buying it. That stuff's for the goats.
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That's twice, but I'm not sure if "goat" is just an insult, or reference to Doddington's zoo.
Either way, using a 4-digit PIN trades ease of use for very low security. It can even be guessed remotely, using sensor data showing how you tilt the phone.
As far as "just resetting the device", that won't bypass Full Disk Encryption., because it should erase the keys stored for FDE and render internal storage unreadable. I'll confirm this on my S8+ when I get it today.
Who exactly is going to take my phone or "guess remotely" my pin. And go ahead, quote fear mongering propaganda. Some people will believe anything they read. The world is full of people looking to hack their phone and computer I get it. Better "be safe and secure" and use Iris Scanner and Fingerprint Sensor. These 2 things are like one year old, what were people doing to "protect" their phones for the 10 or 20 years prior. Just a reminder, your whole bank account, life savings, in the form of Debit Card/Credit Card is used how? With a 4 digit Pin number. I would rather guess that remotely than worry about your "smart phone"
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Who exactly is going to take my phone or "guess remotely" my pin. And go ahead, quote fear mongering propaganda. Some people will believe anything they read. The world is full of people looking to hack their phone and computer I get it. Better "be safe and secure" and use Iris Scanner and Fingerprint Sensor. These 2 things are like one year old, what were people doing to "protect" their phones for the 10 or 20 years prior. Just a reminder, your whole bank account, life savings, in the form of Debit Card/Credit Card is used how? With a 4 digit Pin number. I would rather guess that remotely than worry about your "smart phone"
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Thanks for the thinly-veiled ad hominems, and catching my "fear-mongering propaganda". Most people are easily fooled by inline URLs., but not you.
Another reply isn't going to do much, because the goalposts are moving around fast. What happened to Win7 never being updated? Now we're on to my bank account (which BTW uses routing, account, and ACH numbers, not just a 4-digit PIN). I don't play that kind of game though. Cheers.
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Cerberus can do this
Not really for this thread but... Biometrics are stored locally. Also your pin is far more insecure given that anyone can see it and every store you are in has cameras which will pick up your pin
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Wait.... are you saying you've refused updates on Win7 for 10 years? Entirely?
I must be reading that wrong. Because an unpatched Windows 7 machine (nevermind apps) would be an exploit playground. And same with Samsung.
That's twice, but I'm not sure if "goat" is just an insult, or reference to Doddington's zoo.
Either way, using a 4-digit PIN trades ease of use for very low security. It can even be guessed remotely, using sensor data showing how you tilt the phone.
As far as "just resetting the device", that won't bypass Full Disk Encryption., because it should erase the keys stored for FDE and render internal storage unreadable. I'll confirm this on my S8+ when I get it today.
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So for the first time ever in all of my 3 years on my Note 4 (and never gotten on my Note 2 or S2) I got this pop up on my screen after clicking the links you posted, way to go. You had a point to prove, huh?
A little delving into your attached links this shows up:
https://www.tripwire.com/state-of-s...tails-not-just-prove-android-security-stinks/
Any one having issues activating Cerberus app in S8+?
Actually I have no problem with fingerprint scanner "location" (near camera some folk says) and its pretty fast and it opens my phone on very first try. the only thing i don't like is when the phone is on the table i need to pick it up and use fingerpring which in this scenario I use pattern unlock.
I use the iris scanner all the time and it works flawlessly unless the phone is in direct sun light and then it doesn't work well and I use the fingerprint scanner but in most cases the iris scanner works just great!
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I use the iris scanner all the time and it works flawlessly unless the phone is in direct sun light and then it doesn't work well and I use the fingerprint scanner but in most cases the iris scanner works just great!
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I agree. It is not quite as easy to use as fingerprint scanning- however a pin or more secure password option exists and with smartlock setup- the phone will only lock when not near your Bluetooth connected watch, car audio, etc. Secure folders is an added layer of security (S8). Besides theft, the principal vunerability is downloading apps not in the Google play store. However none of the above is fool proof. Antivirus/malware tools should also help.
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Iris scanner on Samsung S8 has been defeated. Fingerprint reader has not.
Banking apps use Fingerprint reader. So does LastPass that can protect other passwords. Use a complex PIN with more than 4 numbers as a last resort if Fingerprint detection doesn't work.
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Iris scanner on Samsung S8 has been defeated. Fingerprint reader has not.
Banking apps use Fingerprint reader. So does LastPass that can protect other passwords. Use a complex PIN with more than 4 numbers as a last resort if Fingerprint detection doesn't work.
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Defeated how exactly?
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Defeated how exactly?
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Hi
I’ve had my vivo nex s for over 2 weeks and found the onscreen fingerprint unreliable. At times it works perfectly and then at times very fustrating it doesn’t work at all.
I’ve noticed when it’s warm or I’m outside, not sure why.
I’ve reset my fingerprints added couple of times for the same finger but that doesn’t help. I’ve noticed when phone is heated it’s less reliable and doesn’t work at times.
Not sure if it’s faulty or that’s the experience of most out there
Please share your experience and do you think I’ve got faulty set.
Absolutely no problems with the fingerprintscanner.
I've double registered my fingers and it's working perfectly.
Sometimes it takes 1 second but in 99% its working nearly Instant.
Perfect!!! And with a screen protectors or tempered glass? Co.okie4u you have a private message!!!
I also have my moments with the fingerprint scanner. The elite X3 scanner was more a hit than a miss compared to this phone. I will say the it has improved with the 16.5 update but it needs more work. It's as if the registered fingerprint file gets lost.
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Hi
I’ve had my vivo nex s for over 2 weeks and found the onscreen fingerprint unreliable. At times it works perfectly and then at times very fustrating it doesn’t work at all.
I’ve noticed when it’s warm or I’m outside, not sure why.
I’ve reset my fingerprints added couple of times for the same finger but that doesn’t help. I’ve noticed when phone is heated it’s less reliable and doesn’t work at times.
Not sure if it’s faulty or that’s the experience of most out there
Please share your experience and do you think I’ve got faulty set.
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I'm having the exact same problem. Very Frustrating!
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Co.okie4u said:
Absolutely no problems with the fingerprintscanner.
I've double registered my fingers and it's working perfectly.
Sometimes it takes 1 second but in 99% its working nearly Instant.
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Yes, double registering your fingers does the trick. Works flawlessly over here.
How you double register your fingers? Each finger for twice saving? Thanks
I have registered my thumb 3 times and im around 75% when i hit the fingerprint reader.
My main problem asides from the 75% is that its a very small spot on the screen and that i often dont touch it 100%. That, combined with the 75% reliability, means im lucky if im at 50%
As i said absolutely no problem with the fp scanner.
Even when only my half thumb lays on the spot. I think it's a registration problem. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
May be but you have registered 5 fingers? In each save one finger? Or 1 finger for 2 saves
Please Co.okie4 you have an unread private message since 2 days from me, can you read it? Thanks
Co.okie4u said:
As i said absolutely no problem with the fp scanner.
Even when only my half thumb lays on the spot. I think it's a registration problem. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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How you double register your fingers? Each finger for twice saving? Thanks
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I have the same finger registered three times. How I managed to do that is place the finger not on the entire scanner but place the finger on part of the scanner to where you can still see the scanner light. Also use the edges of your finger on partial scanner. I kept trying and it worked. My misses are now less. This shouldn't be the solution as it should just work, but that's one way to get around the problem.
No problem for me.
The only issue is its a little slow when compared to generic finger print, but the awe u get by people around is totally worth than extra second.
Just be aware that you have to follow the instructions as stated on the screen. Use the pressure you would use as usual and when you are registering the edges of your finger grab your phone as you would in real life and with the same pressure as you would use.
I found that if you do this too lightly or too hard you will not recreate it in daily life and hence the failure.
Also register the edge side of the finger that you would touch the screen with, not the entire edge left and right
So yes just lets admit it, The fingerprint scanner on Vivo Nex is not perfect, but what it represent is forward thinking which will force other manufactures to follow, but we all know that Optic under glass fingerprint scanner will have to make room to the far superior ultrasonic technology.
despite this I am interesting to know what method you people are using to get higher success rate ?
The first question that comes to mind does it really help to save multiple fingerprints for the same finger ?
Even though I mostly my thumb to unlock where it is hit and miss the index finger have a lot higher success rate, and I wonder why.
Dry hands seem to be a big problem for the fingerprint scanner... I therefor tried to save a new fingerprinting when my finger are dry, I cant say it any visible improvement. It is still frustrating that my index finger seem to work a lot better on the fingerprint scanner.
Fingerprint scanner seem to work better in dark room rather then a well lit room or environment.
please posts your findings how to improve success rate especially for using the thumbs.
I think there is still hope that the fingerprint scanner will improve further in future software updates.
I also think, people will have a different success rate because of biological versions, some fingers are maybe harder to read then others for some reason. Lets hope Vivo will push out more updates for the fingerprint accuracy. This is their first device aimed for the global market so lets hope they will give this one extra care since this device will be the bridge into the global market..
I use multiple fingerprints for one finger and think it's much more reliable than one saved fingerprint.
Interesting that my index fingers are also working much better with only one saved profile instead of my right thumb
Vivo Nex S is recognizing your already saved fingerprints. Nevertheless you can simply save the same fingerprint again by moving and trying different positions from your finger. I actually saved my right thumb three times and surprised how good it works (for the first 3 days)
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Actually 2 months now I’m very pleased by reliability accuracy and smoothness of 3D underscreen fingerprint scanner.
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Tafff said:
I use multiple fingerprints for one finger and think it's much more reliable than one saved fingerprint.
Interesting that my index fingers are also working much better with only one saved profile instead of my right thumb
Vivo Nex S is recognizing your already saved fingerprints. Nevertheless you can simply save the same fingerprint again by moving and trying different positions from your finger. I actually saved my right thumb three times and surprised how good it works (for the first 3 days)
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Thanks..I thought that had been tried in youtube videos I think I saw people say its does not help to make multiple fingerprints for the same finger... it should not be needed..it should be smarter then that..
especially since you press the finger multiple times when you setup a new fingerprint.
Well anyway I will try it..I guess it can be worse then what it is now....
Its frustrating that the index finger works so well..and not the thumbs...
I saw some review where they said that someone unlocked their smartphone with an unregistered finger...
This fingerprint sensor is really not reliable at all
And funny, i asked Vivo on facebook about this issue, Joe just told me "use a password instead" ...
Wahoux said:
I saw some review where they said that someone unlocked their smartphone with an unregistered finger...
This fingerprint sensor is really not reliable at all
And funny, i asked Vivo on facebook about this issue, Joe just told me "use a password instead" ...
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Unfortunately Joe from vivo isn't a good supporter :/
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Wahoux said:
I saw some review where they said that someone unlocked their smartphone with an unregistered finger...
This fingerprint sensor is really not reliable at all
And funny, i asked Vivo on facebook about this issue, Joe just told me "use a password instead" ...
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To be honest I don't trust any videos about finger print scanner. If somebody wants to troll all they have to do is register the finger and state on the video that finger is unregistered and just troll the Vivo Nex owners about how unreliable the phone finger print scanner is.
I tried several times to unlock the phone with any finger that is unregistered and 100% of the time the phone doesn't unlock and send me to unlocked the phone with the pin number.
And the finger print scanner works 98% of the time with me on my registered fingers, I noticed the other 2% is because my fingers are wet or dirty from working out.
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I scanned my thumbs fingerprints and it works better with the left one. Even after a rescan of the right one
I didn't succeed in making a second scan with a finger already stored
Of course I don't know why
The accuracy is fine,however there is another interesting notice-you don't actually have to wait with your finger on the screen until the phone unlocks. You can simply put the finger for a second,release it and then wait a bit more for the unlock. That's quite intersting user experience and it makes the visibility of a faster finger recognition process than it actually is
Tafff said:
I use multiple fingerprints for one finger and think it's much more reliable than one saved fingerprint.
Interesting that my index fingers are also working much better with only one saved profile instead of my right thumb
Vivo Nex S is recognizing your already saved fingerprints. Nevertheless you can simply save the same fingerprint again by moving and trying different positions from your finger. I actually saved my right thumb three times and surprised how good it works (for the first 3 days)
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I am sorry but I do not believe in this method...
Remember when you create a fingerprint you scan your finger multiple of times even from the edges etc.
Theoretically it could only lead to even slower scanning.
Anyway success rate have improved a lot the last 2 days not sure why...
Hopefully its learning and getting better for each day. I still hope vivo will solve the speed.
one frustrating thing is the screen dont unluck directly even when the scanner have read your finger for instance I cant put off my finger before it gets unlocked and it unlock...
I hope next update will come with some improvements regarding fingerprint scanner cause I think it does not live up fully to its potential right now.
It seems that the unlocking process is actually quite fast. There is a delay because of the animation. If you turn off animations in developer's options unlocking would be faster.
Enable double tab to wake screen
Then
Double tab screen
Use fingerprint
This make it ultra fast anf accurate
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Always find my right hand not working fine with fingerprint??
Make sure the position you scan your finger is in the same position you unlock ur phone, I found this to work 8-9 times out of 10
what I have learned lately is, its good to not push too hard on the screen push very gentlely it seem to be easier to unlock. anyway I think this scanner still need software updates to improve it have problems in well lit scenarios, luckily I am a night bird..
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what I have learned lately is, its good to not push too hard on the screen push very gentlely it seem to be easier to unlock. anyway I think this scanner still need software updates to improve it have problems in well lit scenarios, luckily I am a night bird..
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Yes I can confirm push the on screen scanner gently always works brilliantly,in few scenarios I pushed it harder didn’t response some time with first attempt.
Overall experience 2.5 months I’m very pleased with accuracy,response and smoothness as long we learn his trick.
Always helpful if someone experience not so good response or accuracy to register 1 more time from beginning it’s finger and tested one day continuously until been successfully.
And repeat 1-2 times to find their best performance to his own way.
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I just played with the fingerprint yesterday and I feel that it works better when we press harder I added the fingerprint in the dark, with a minimal backlight pressing the finger firmly.
I sorry for my English, I use Google Translator.
Fingerprint scanner has been updated with latest funtouch software , Rescan your fingers, you will definitely see and feel an improvement ?
ruk21201 said:
Fingerprint scanner has been updated with latest funtouch software , Rescan your fingers, you will definitely see and feel an improvement
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Do you mean the global or the chinese rom ? I use the chinese rom, I think nothing was mentioned about fingerprint scanner improvements in either of the latest firmwares of global and chinese. Anyway I will try rescan my fingers I have nothing to lose.
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Do you mean the global or the chinese rom ? I use the chinese rom, I think nothing was mentioned about fingerprint scanner improvements in either of the latest firmwares of global and chinese. Anyway I will try rescan my fingers I have nothing to lose.
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Global version
Install 1.8.8 update and fingerprint is supersonic fast now
So we get the screen - protector pre-installed, and this is my 1st ever fingerprint ( under the skin ) phone
I cannot make it work perfectly as well
it takes for it to recognize it for registration
I even followed the tip where I make 2 fingerprints of the same thumb
I look at videos where ppl are touching it gently
I have to press hard if it works but most times, it doesnt recognize and I have to sorta try few angles beofe I do this
Is it because of screen protector?
Any help, tips please and if anyone can show me how their works coz I swear I am having issues
this is my 3rd sammy with the screen scanner...they work so so with the factory screen protector (this one has been the best out of s10 plus, note 10 plus) but they work way better if you remove it.
of course then your screen is vulnerable but that's the choice pretty much.
im using my note 9 today and much prefer the scanner on the back still lol
Finger print is a hit or miss for me and I don't have a screen protector ??*
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So we get the screen - protector pre-installed, and this is my 1st ever fingerprint ( under the skin ) phone
I cannot make it work perfectly as well
it takes for it to recognize it for registration
I even followed the tip where I make 2 fingerprints of the same thumb
I look at videos where ppl are touching it gently
I have to press hard if it works but most times, it doesnt recognize and I have to sorta try few angles beofe I do this
Is it because of screen protector?
Any help, tips please and if anyone can show me how their works coz I swear I am having issues
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It works very well for me. Not ideal but really well with the built-in screen protector.
There is one hack to make biometrics work faster - go to Optimise Battery Usage permissions and untick the com.samsung.android.biometrics entry. This will allow biometrics service to always work and will improve biometrics response time greatly.
It works, like on n10 before it. Not as good and fast as one on one plus 8 pro which I had before but it works. Best advice is to buy gearfit 2 pro or some from active watches and make it as a trusted device
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It works very well for me. Not ideal but really well with the built-in screen protector.
There is one hack to make biometrics work faster - go to Optimise Battery Usage permissions and untick the com.samsung.android.biometrics entry. This will allow biometrics service to always work and will improve biometrics response time greatly.
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Didn't feel a difference from this.
UK, Sim free handset, already tried the register the same finger twice and wasn't helping. Now got one finger four times but still the same issue. It fails so often that sometimes it goes over the 5 allowable attempts, or is just very slow, and also needs a harder press that my previous Notes.
It still has factory screen protector on.
Any suggestions?
And how do you find the "Optimise Battery Usage permissions and untick the com.samsung.android.biometrics"
Thanks.
Try to learn to use face unlock (I'm on same path jow)...fp on S and N samsung devices is terrable! I had one plus 8 pro one month and after optical reader, this ultrasonic is disaster [emoji849]
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Try to learn to use face unlock (I'm on same path jow)...fp on S and N samsung devices is terrable! I had one plus 8 pro one month and after optical reader, this ultrasonic is disaster [emoji849]
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Working great on S20U and N20U here
Register same fingerprint 2-3 times
Disable Battery optimisation for Biometrics
Disable Unlock Animation
Enable Increase Touch Sensitivity
Both phones unlock with FP with hardly even a touch
Mby if you work in office and have perfect hands (fingers). For people that works at a construction yard this is a no go (have s20 and n20 ultra 5g right now with me)!
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Mby if you work in office and have perfect hands (fingers). For people that works at a construction yard this is a no go (have s20 and n20 ultra 5g right now with me)!
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Well yea, if your fingerprints are a mess then a fingerprint reader isn't going to read them very well, kinda obvious?
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Well yea, if your fingerprints are a mess then a fingerprint reader isn't going to read them very well, kinda obvious?
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As I sad, on One plus 8 pro fp works like a charm (I had a few weeks even samsung s10 lite; for a miles better than this samsung flagships)!
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Hi,
I'm coming from Note9. Fingerprint scanner was on the back. It also had iris scanner.
So dry or wet finger, day or night - I was able to unlock my Note9 from the first try with 100% probability.
Can't say about S2 Ultra.
Faceunlock - works only in ideal conditions (face in front of the camera, well lit etc.).
Fingerprint - most of the time I unlock it from 1-3 tries. And yes.. I rescanned my fingers many times. Same result.
What is your experience?
Coming from a Note 10+ the fingerprint reader works great; it is much more responsive than the Note 10+. I don't use face unlock (I haven't used it since the Galaxy Nexus), so I can't talk to that. I'm not comfortable using face unlock. It is still less secure than fingerprint or a PIN. I don't care what Apple or Samsung says.
I did like the iris scanner on my Note 8. Though, I am not sure how secure it was.
I have no issues with fingerprint....works mostly first time....sometimes when finger is wet I need a 2nd try....Face unlock works okay most of the time....lighting conditions do play a roll....especially bad if the room is dark and a light shine from behind....overall much better then my previous samsung phones
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overall much better then my previous samsung phones
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Good for you. What previous Samsung phone did you have?
It's really worse than Note9. But Note9 had different tech (iris scanner and not ordinary front facing camera, hardware finger print scanner and not under the screen scanner).
I had the s5,s6+,s9,s10 and s21 ultra...on my previous phones I made sure to scan one finger into multiple fingers, so it had 5 copies of my finger... that helped mostly with it reading my finger print the first time.. saw a video on it on YouTube. With the s22 ultra I only have one fingerprint registered and works great...i did make sure i scan it from all angles and sides... also video on YouTube...
Faceunlock much worth than OnePlus.
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I had the s5,s6+,s9,s10 and s21 ultra...on my previous phones I made sure to scan one finger into multiple fingers, so it had 5 copies of my finger... that helped mostly with it reading my finger print the first time.. saw a video on it on YouTube. With the s22 ultra I only have one fingerprint registered and works great...i did make sure i scan it from all angles and sides... also video on YouTube...
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S22 Ultra lets scan only 4 fingers. So 2 times right and left thumb.
I suggest doing 1 finger on all 4...it worked for me on the previous phones
I used both thumbs for setting up one fingerprint. Did this for all four fingerprint options, so each process has both thumbs registered and it went on for four times. Did this fun and not necessarily to make sure to recognise better.
Both thumbs work as intended. Doesn't work when wet or with pruney fingers.
I don't use face recognition because of no security and "ideal condition" requirement. It's neither IRIS scanning nor super secure face id.
bat0nas said:
Hi,
I'm coming from Note9. Fingerprint scanner was on the back. It also had iris scanner.
So dry or wet finger, day or night - I was able to unlock my Note9 from the first try with 100% probability.
Can't say about S2 Ultra.
Faceunlock - works only in ideal conditions (face in front of the camera, well lit etc.).
Fingerprint - most of the time I unlock it from 1-3 tries. And yes.. I rescanned my fingers many times. Same result.
What is your experience?
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S22u fingerprints recognized 80% of the time. I have set up one thumb and one index finger. I wish the fingerprint reader was on the power button like the z Fold 3 which worked about 98% of the time.
I do not use face unlock.
The FPR for me works about 99% of the time. If a finger was wet that's typically the only time it doesn't work. I use face unlock secondary. Also works great.
I came from a pixel 6 pro, where the FPR was total garbage. It's nice having a phone you can actually unlock with a fingerprint lol.
gettinwicked said:
The FPR for me works about 99% of the time. If a finger was wet that's typically the only time it doesn't work. I use face unlock secondary. Also works great.
I came from a pixel 6 pro, where the FPR was total garbage. It's nice having a phone you can actually unlock with a fingerprint lol.
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Wow, 99% success with FPR - that seems a little high. Try turning off face unlock and see what percent success you get with just FPR. Not sure if it goes immediately to face unlock on the 1st failed attempt with the FPR. If it does, face unlock is very fast and may be masking the failed FPR attempts.
Rubby1025 said:
Wow, 99% success with FPR - that seems a little high. Try turning off face unlock and see what percent success you get with just FPR. Not sure if it goes immediately to face unlock on the 1st failed attempt with the FPR. If it does, face unlock is very fast and may be masking the failed FPR attempts.
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I'm getting about 99% with the fingerprint reader and I am not using face recognition.
At least 90%-95% success rate with FPR.
I'm not using face unlock
Virgo_Guy said:
I used both thumbs for setting up one fingerprint. Did this for all four fingerprint options, so each process has both thumbs registered and it went on for four times. Did this fun and not necessarily to make sure to recognise better.
Both thumbs work as intended. Doesn't work when wet or with pruney fingers.
I don't use face recognition because of no security and "ideal condition" requirement. It's neither IRIS scanning nor super secure face id.
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I did both thumbs and both forefingers using one fingerprint entry. I saw it on youtube and couldn't believe it. I'm not talking about adding one fingerprint completely and then hitting add. Example, start with your thumb and just register part of it, then use a forefinger, another thumb, another forefinger, keep alternating until it hits 100%. Works perfectly.
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Fingerprint - most of the time I unlock it from 1-3 tries.
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Same experience. Works very fast but probability of unlock is 90% or so. And this is supposedly a good result for the scanner which is behind the screen. My previous phone was OnePlus 3T with a fingerprint scanner inside a button - unlock speed was the same (instant) but unlock probability was something like 99.99%. This is called progress...
I use both thumbs for unlocking which works around 90% of the time.
With face unlocking I have normal and alternative appearance set so this typically works before I can even use my fingerprints.
Inconsistent at best. Still better than the fingerprint on my Pixel 6 Pro. But face recognition belongs to the iPhone.
bat0nas said:
Hi,
I'm coming from Note9. Fingerprint scanner was on the back. It also had iris scanner.
So dry or wet finger, day or night - I was able to unlock my Note9 from the first try with 100% probability.
Can't say about S2 Ultra.
Faceunlock - works only in ideal conditions (face in front of the camera, well lit etc.).
Fingerprint - most of the time I unlock it from 1-3 tries. And yes.. I rescanned my fingers many times. Same result.
What is your experience?
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I have a new S22 and my experience is so frustrating. I am coming back to samsung after few generations from huawei (mate 20 pro and P30 Pro). What I can't digest is the fingerprint and face id works so flawlessly on the Huawei which is relatively newcomer than Samsung and they have done it so perfectly. (on Mate 20 Pro it used 3D scan and on P30 Pro 2D scan). Samsung with all its generations with the many decades of experience still struggles.
Fingerprint is too slow and sometimes after a few tries. Face ID takes a while to open the screen. And what more - when i enable fingerprint - for some reason the face ID just becomes lazy, I don't see it even attempting to detect the face (from the rim light effect on front camera). It looks as though the fingerprint has superceded the face id. I am getting more and more frustrated by this. I did try scanning both fingerprint and face id several times. But no luck. I even suspected probably there is a way to prioritize the usage of biometrics and looked for it but there is none.
In contrast on my Huawei - it just takes fraction of a second to unlock as though it is not scanning the id (both face and fingerprint) but actually it does the job so quickly. What is happening here - is this how samsung had been all these years? I can't believe if they say they've improved from previous generations. Why is the face id so slow and most times (well lit environment as well - the face id is not at work at all (no rim light around front camera, as though the id is not at work)
Is this the same experience others have and is normal for Samsung? Do you all think it is a one off case and a reset might fix it?
I find it almost as smooth as IPhone 13. Both fingerprint and face recognition work well together, probably @ 98% unlock efficiency. with official samsung screen protector