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Disable Google Play Services and Google Services Framework for better battery/privacy

I disabled Google Play Services and Google Services Framework on my Moto G, because I don't need them and the Play Store (I sideload all my apps from the pc).
But there's a big problem: if I disable even one of them, and try to enable the geolocation, it only uses the option "high precision" and, worse then that, it makes all the android framework crash and reboot if I try to open any geolocation-using app (like Google Maps or the camera with geo-ON). Any hint to solve this issue? I really want to get rid of these services, for battery and privacy reasons (in particular, battery improvements are really noticeable!).
UPDATE: I don't get this bug UNLESS I reboot the phone. If I do, I get this issue. If I don't, Maps still works even with these services disabled. I'd like anyway to solve this problem so I don't have to make laborious procedures everytime the phone reboot (I already have to kill 5 motorola processes, i.e. Motocare and Motorola Services ones).
I've attached a pair of screens to clarify my situation. I'm on the STOCK and NO-ROOTED rom.
Thank you very much in advance

So you do need Google services? But don't want to need them, my advice flash stock android ROM without using G-apps
Sent from Sauwny the TL

Durteedee said:
So you do need Google services? But don't want to need them, my advice flash stock android ROM without using G-apps
Sent from Sauwny the TL
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No, I'm on the stock android and not need them. But if I disable them, and I reboot the phone, all the geolocating app I use make the system crash, that's a weird behaviour. To convince yourself, you can disable both the services, restart the phone, open Google Maps and press the location button.
If I don't reboot the phone, instead, Google Maps continues to work even with this two services disabled... that's what confuses me

I basically meant stock and stripped like CM11 without Gapps
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zack.1988 said:
No, I'm on the stock android and not need them. But if I disable them, and I reboot the phone, all the geolocating app I use make the system crash, that's a weird behaviour. To convince yourself, you can disable both the services, restart the phone, open Google Maps and press the location button.
If I don't reboot the phone, instead, Google Maps continues to work even with this two services disabled... that's what confuses me
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Basically, you're going to have to root and flash your phone. You can't remove Google services on stock.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715375
NO GAPPS PROJECT THREAD said:
I am one of those who do they everyday work without google stuff and without gapps. I found out several problems:
Some apps do not install because of missing Google Maps API
Some apps fc at startup bacause of missing Maps API or market license check issues
Some apps hardcoded links to several Google Apps and therefor fc or react unexpectedly on certain cases.
No access to Play Store (i tried nearly every alternative market, but nothing is as good for free apps as play store) Meanwhile, F-Droid provides nearly everything you need
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this thread may interest your needs

SamsungAdmire said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715375
this thread may interest your needs
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Thank you for the intereeting link. Unluckily it regards mainly rooted devices... Pretty interesting though

Let me see if I get this right. You purchased a phone manufactured by Google, using a stock Rom compiled by Google, and you are trying to used Google software (Google Maps or Motorola Camera software- by Google) and you find it surprising that the system crashes after disabling Google's framework? And you are hoping to solve this without rooting or flashing a custom Rom? Seriously?
Sorry for the ironic tone, but you really need to give the idea of making a thread for this a second thought, my friend.

No problem for the ironic tone,but I can ensure you that I'm running Google Maps and (Motorola, not Google!) Camera App geotag WITHOUT having these two services enabled, and they work flawlessy the problem is ONLY when I REBOOT the phone, in which case I must enable and disable again these services in order to make apps with geolocation work without crashing the system. I will attach a screenshot of my running processes in the STOCK and NOROOT rom, and I ensure you that apart this small, boot-time issue, everything works great on my phone (with a great battery boost, I've been able to achieve 9 hours of screen time plus 1hr of calls, what do you think?).
I've about 50 apps installed, I just don't like Motorola and Google ones because they keep running about all the time, sucking out a lot of private data and battery juice

Well I am new to Android and also have/had problems using the moto g. I disabled all Google apps and stuff I could find and the OS is not really stable, I get quite a few hiccups and the phone crashes every now and then. I thought the nova launcher might be the problem, but I also suspect the OS in general.
But unlike you I don't use any Google stuff, so not even maps.
Well, I am selling the phone anyway.

No crashes here apart this Maps tweak, so it sound's really weird... maybed you disabled some critical services. On my device, with kitkat 4.4.2, ART compiler, everything is more than stable. You could try a factory reset or switching from Dalvik to ART too...

Sounds like a gigantic hassle. I don't think these services use much battery at all.

rugerredhawk said:
Sounds like a gigantic hassle. I don't think these services use much battery at all.
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Before saying that, try and let me know
(as soon I will use it in a regoular way - I.e. not gaming and not browsing all the time - I'll post a screenshot proving the 9 hours of screen time, that I wasn't able to reach with Google services enabled)

Ive had 9 hours screen time with google services enabled but that was just doing light stuff ,got 2.5 days out of my last battery charge but that was with only 5 hours screen time but mine is rooted and greenified now.
Cant think of a solution to your problem sorry,guess you will just have to avoid rebooting.

yes, I guess so...

I need to reinstall Google play services on my moto g how do I do this?

This thread is over a year old and totally unrelated to your question. Searching the forums is my advice because you are pretty unlikely to find an answer to your question by posting in this particular thread

How to block Google Play Services from automatically updating

Hi all, hope all is well. I encountered a problem on my OPO and I didn't manage to solve it, even after searching and reading relevant threads on this forum.
Currently my OPO (not rooted) is running Android 4.4.4 (stock Cyanogen OS 11.0). I am still running Android 4.4.4 as when Lollipop was issued many complained of battery drain issues so I didn't update. Yesterday, Google Play Services updated automatically to version 9.0.82. After the update Chrome, Play Store, Gmail and Google Now are exiting as soon as I try to use them. Thus, I decided to uninstall the Google Play Services updates and I manually installed a version (8.7.03) that doesn't cause the problems mentioned. However, this morning when I connected to WiFi, Google Play Services updated and the problems restarted.
Does anybody know how I can prevent Google Play Services from automatically updating please? If this is not possible, I am considering updating to Marshmallow with Cyanogen OS 13. Is it possible to update to the latter without updating to Lollipop please? Moreover, does the OPO suffer from major bugs/ issues when running Marshmallow please?
p.s: previously I denied both "keep awake" and "wake up" in the Privacy Guard menu of Google Play Services as it fixed the message "Unfortunately Google Play Services has stopped". Yet, this message is appearing again every time I connect to WiFi.
Many thanks, much appreciated!

Hi,
I've got a high battery drain problem with the latest Google Play Services (cmasystemupdateservices causing the wavelock).
There are a couple of reddits about this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus/comments/4jmw74/cmasystemupdateservice_wakelock/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AndroidQue..._is_cmasystemupdateservice_its_preventing_my/
but no solution.
I'm running 4.4.4 as well, but my wife's Lollipop phone doesn't have this issue. Given that its an update service causing the issue I wonder if this is Google's way of getting us to upgrade!
If this was affecting all Android phones I'd expect to see more of an outcry about it.
Regards.

I too have this problem. Now have to rolled back to stock play services. Any solution?

Unchecked all in Google play settings

@pda1ey thanks for the Reddit links! Unfortunately, as you mentioned they don't offer solutions to our problems.
@vl319 did Google Play Services autoupdate even though you rolled back to stock version please?
@drmuruga I think Google Play Services still autoupdates with those settings unticked.
Thanks to all for your feedback hope we find a solution.

After i rolled back to stock version, it doesn't auto update until now. But u will keep getting message saying apps wont run until play services is updated.... But it is fine for me.. I tried to reset app preference, disable greenify, amplify, privacy guard but none of these work. Probably we have to wait for new update or reinstall the device

vl319 said:
After i rolled back to stock version, it doesn't auto update until now. But u will keep getting message saying apps wont run until play services is updated.... But it is fine for me.. I tried to reset app preference, disable greenify, amplify, privacy guard but none of these work. Probably we have to wait for new update or reinstall the device
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I will follow your suggestion and roll back to stock Play Services. When I manually install Google Play Services 8.7.03 it automatically updates to 9.0.82 after a couple of hours. When you had version 9.0.82 were Gmail and Chrome force closing? Thanks!

I experience same problem on my wife's 4.4. cm and on my 5.1.1 android. Google play services automaticily updated to 9.0 and since then all google related apps is force closing. I noticed, that if I uncheck everything under google play services in privacy guard, apps will work, but then my phone's battery will go down the drain . Is it possible, that Google play services update only, when I open Play store and not completely automaticly?

solidstate94 said:
I will follow your suggestion and roll back to stock Play Services. When I manually install Google Play Services 8.7.03 it automatically updates to 9.0.82 after a couple of hours. When you had version 9.0.82 were Gmail and Chrome force closing? Thanks!
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I am using official COS13 and its stock version is 8.3.01, older than 8.7.03 and it doesn't auto update to new version. and i have no problem of syncing contact, calendar, keep and etc.

@vl319 my stock version is version 5. That's why I tried solving the issue by updating manually to 8.7.03. Unfortunately, my stock version is not compatible with the Apps I use. Thanks for the clarification!
@ircman maybe you can update to a newer version of Google Play Services on your phone to solve the issue. For instance, update to 9.0.83 or 9.0.82. Another user (drmuruga) in a previous post suggested to turn off automatic updates in the Play Store. However, I don't know if it works because I haven't tried it myself.

solidstate94 said:
@vl319 my stock version is version 5. That's why I tried solving the issue by updating manually to 8.7.03. Unfortunately, my stock version is not compatible with the Apps I use. Thanks for the clarification!
@ircman maybe you can update to a newer version of Google Play Services on your phone to solve the issue. For instance, update to 9.0.83 or 9.0.82. Another user (drmuruga) in a previous post suggested to turn off automatic updates in the Play Store. However, I don't know if it works because I haven't tried it myself.
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Sorry, I wasn't exact, now I am using 9.0.83. The problem apeared when the Google Play Services updated automaticaly to 9.0.83. Until that moment the phone and all the apps were working flawlesly. I belive that is something wrong with the newest version of Google Play Services, or that they don't want us to block things like Keep Awake, Location, Wake up, Auto Start (this things drains battery really fast).
Probably the only solution for now is to downgrade Google Play Services, and to somehow block automatic updates for Google Play Services.

@ircman as regards blocking the things you mentioned, I think you still can block them if you want.
Moreover, you can manually uninstall the updates of Google Play Services to temporarily solve the problem. Then either stick with the stock Play Services (vl319 clarified in a previous post that it won't auto update but some Apps might not work) or install a version of Play Services that doesn't cause problems as I did. However, after a few hours it auto updates and the problems start again. Thus, you need to repeat this process (I am repeating this process on average twice daily).
If anybody comes up with a permanent solution or has some advice, I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!

Hello everyone
I have the same problem you exactly with "google play service" in 9.0.82 release.
it drains my battery and my GPS connection has become very very slow (over 5 min) while with the 8.7.03 release I had no worries.
I am also in version 4.4.4 and I have my wifi, my connection and my GPS data which are off all the time except when I need them.
If anyone has a solution I'm interested

bion59 said:
Hello everyone
I have the same problem you exactly with "google play service" in 9.0.82 release.
it drains my battery and my GPS connection has become very very slow (over 5 min) while with the 8.7.03 release I had no worries.
I am also in version 4.4.4 and I have my wifi, my connection and my GPS data which are off all the time except when I need them.
If anyone has a solution I'm interested
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My problem with Google Play Services 9.0.82 is not related to battery drain and GPS. On my OPO 9.0.82 is causing some Google Apps to FC (as I explained in the first post).
If your OPO is rooted there are some solutions on this forum on how to block Google Play Services from updating. tc

solidstate94 said:
My problem with Google Play Services 9.0.82 is not related to battery drain and GPS. On my OPO 9.0.82 is causing some Google Apps to FC (as I explained in the first post).
If your OPO is rooted there are some solutions on this forum on how to block Google Play Services from updating. tc
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OK thank you for your answer.
I actually did a search on the forum and I find an application that seems to do the job is "disable service" findable on the play store.

Please update to latest play services 9.2.xx. It solves the issue

vl319 said:
Please update to latest play services 9.2.xx. It solves the issue
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Thanks for letting us know! Just upgraded manually to 9.2.56, till now everything seems fine. I wish there is a method which can block Play Services from auto updating.

solidstate94 said:
Thanks for letting us know! Just upgraded manually to 9.2.56, till now everything seems fine. I wish there is a method which can block Play Services from auto updating.
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I know there is a feature in titanium backup that allows apps to detach it from the market. Wonder if it works for play services.

LineageOS for microG

https://lineage.microg.org/
Go to link above to check details etc. Not the dev, just a suggestion from me.
Using it for one week, just providing the screenshots, because I am really impressed with battery from this rom ( privacy also)

Seriously? 5H of SOT?

5.30 to be exact and 10% left. I didn't know google services are so consuming for the battery. That's the reason I posted here. I think thats pure android.

Try it for now! I'm gone.^_^

its all about battery health too, i was getting always 5+ hours sot with gaaps. now i barely get 2,5-3hrs.

MicroG settings says everything is fine, but I can't verify my purchases, like greenify donation and mx player pro. Any suggestion?
I have another microg device (a tablet) manually patched up and running fine with all my purchased apps. Just to say I'm not new to microG and maybe it's a rom problem.

As for me, the best thing is UnifiedNlp Settings, so I want to know if there is a single software to configure the Nlpbackends rather than in the microG?

prazola said:
MicroG settings says everything is fine, but I can't verify my purchases, like greenify donation and mx player pro. Any suggestion?
I have another microg device (a tablet) manually patched up and running fine with all my purchased apps. Just to say I'm not new to microG and maybe it's a rom problem.
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check https://shadow53.com/android/no-gapps/setup-guide/2/

Ippfcox said:
As for me, the best thing is UnifiedNlp Settings, so I want to know if there is a single software to configure the Nlpbackends rather than in the microG?
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if you dont use microg check https://shadow53.com/android/downloads/#unifiednlp

Try to make UnifiedNlp work with gapps existing. There's a xposed module XposedUnifiedNlp. The introduction is "Integrates UnifiedNlp into system with gapps". Tried many test, after installing the apk into system/priv-app, it seems to work, but can't locate as accurately as in the lineageos microG. Need to test more....

nioonline said:
check https://shadow53.com/android/no-gapps/setup-guide/2/
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Ty, problem solved.

Does Google Photos sync work with this ROM?

Hmm.. No one third party apps working GPS for MicroG

Google Play services consuming battery

Hello, is it normal for Google Play services to consume so much battery?
Haven't noticed it before

I'm having the same problem , since the last update for play services. SOT has dropped by upto 1 hr.

Go to settings > apps and notifications > see all > click on the 3 dots > show system then force stop, clear data on Google play services, Google framework and Google play store, then reboot.

Tried the above mentioned steps, did a clean wipe of system
Using oos 9.5.9 with stock kernel and no mods, still having this terrible drain

Bradl79 said:
Go to settings > apps and notifications > see all > click on the 3 dots > show system then force stop, clear data on Google play services, Google framework and Google play store, then reboot.
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Tried this but still the same. Google play services is the battery drain champion. Installing the newer versions didn't help either.

Install beta version of the play store...that will help a lot.. ?
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/google-play-services/google-play-services-16-7-99-release/

It might be a third party app issue.
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try the beta
There is a known issue with the latest version just Google and see all the reports

I read something about it somewhere, something to do with APPs and ads.....
Some apps continue serving ads even when you device is not active.
This is one of the reasons if I can pay for a APP in will.
Do not download lots of apps, beware of ads.

Hi. I also had the same issue and found a fix. Basically this happened to me when I signed up for beta updates for Google app. Beta updates had some issues which made GPS used in backend all the time which caused huge battery drain. After I came out of beta program, reset app data and back to stable release. Everything is back to normal now. Try and let me know.

fahirrulez said:
Hi. I also had the same issue and found a fix. Basically this happened to me when I signed up for beta updates for Google app. Beta updates had some issues which made GPS used in backend all the time which caused huge battery drain. After I came out of beta program, reset app data and back to stable release. Everything is back to normal now. Try and let me know.
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Well, I was on the stable Play Services with high battery drain (15%). I'm on beta from this morning, we'll see how it goes.
Had a Huawei Mate20x before, absolutely no issue with the Play Services (same version). Weird how this affects only certain phones.

Try going into Settings > Google > Ads > Tick on to "Opt out of personalized ads". This worked for me when I was getting bad idle drainage.

Definitely opt out of those personalized ads!

galaxys said:
Definitely opt out of those personalized ads!
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Just opted out, have to see how much this affects battery life

fahirrulez said:
Hi. I also had the same issue and found a fix. Basically this happened to me when I signed up for beta updates for Google app. Beta updates had some issues which made GPS used in backend all the time which caused huge battery drain. After I came out of beta program, reset app data and back to stable release. Everything is back to normal now. Try and let me know.
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After going through settings i realised that wifi scanning was always on,i turned it off and since then battery is slightly better

I bought op7 pro yesterday and so far no drain (no more than 2%) But I noticed I have newer Google Play Services than people reported as problematic. It seems Google has fixed the problem, in my case at least.
On my phone I have 19.0.56 version and I did not do anything to install that version.

Can I install microG along with GMS?

Hi guys
I just got huawei p40 pro today and installed GMS manually. My discord doesn't produce any notifications. Can I install microG alongside GMS to get it working?
Thanks

i think you have to icebox your GMS to get notifications .. search some other threads here

blue_panther9_9 said:
Hi guys
I just got huawei p40 pro today and installed GMS manually. My discord doesn't produce any notifications. Can I install microG alongside GMS to get it working?
Thanks
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Yes you can.
When I got my P40 Pro I installed Micro-G just for YouTube Vanced. A week later I decided to install GMS and kept the Micro-G on the device. No issues found after combining Micro-G with GMS whatsoever.
BTW I didn't try to install the official YouTube app as I'm more satisfied with Vanced.

Does Micro-G help purely for notifications or could it help apps that require Google services to work?

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Does Micro-G help purely for notifications or could it help apps that require Google services to work?
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No, Micro-G will not allow you to run Google-Dependant apps. You need to install GMS for that. Which is very easy in case you are curious.

I can't install microG, it says I already have the latest version. The only thing I did was installing Google services and play store.
What should I do to get push notifications working? My banking app relies on firebase ?

blue_panther9_9 said:
I can't install microG, it says I already have the latest version. The only thing I did was installing Google services and play store.
What should I do to get push notifications working? My banking app relies on firebase
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For the Micro-G issues I honestly don't know. For me I installed Micro-G first and then GMS. But I remember when I tried to install YouTube Vanced it didnt run, meaning that Micro-G installation was not successful. I seached the web and the solution was deleting Mkcro-G and then installing SAI (Split APKs Installer) from APK-Pure and then re-installing Micro-G. Then YouTube Vanced worked so I know now that Micro-G is working fine. ----> try this it may work.
For your second issue about the push notifications, Firebase is a Google-Cloud massaging service. And it will have the same problem as other Google push notifications such as Gmail. There is a solution on xda I previously read but I can't find the thread. Try searching it.

blue_panther9_9 said:
I can't install microG, it says I already have the latest version. The only thing I did was installing Google services and play store.
What should I do to get push notifications working? My banking app relies on firebase
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Options:
HMS-naked (broken notifications on heaps of apps even Huawei App Gallery)
HMS+microG (for notifications with google firebase cloud messaging)
HMS+GMS (notifications broken)
HMS+GMS+icebox (freeze google play store as required for notifications and unfreeze intermittently for updating apps)
I think it is called icebox (just from memory .. or something similar) .. just search in the recent threads and you will find the process to freeze & unfreeze GMS to get notifications working.

This is awesome explanation. Thank you so much, I will have a look tonight

I just found out icebox requires all my account to be removed first. I will wait this weekend first
My understanding is
1. Install Icebox before you put anything. It requires ADB and you need to remove your Google Accounts beforehand.
2. Install GMS
3. Disable GMS with Icebox
4. Install MicroG
5. Install all the apps that you want. Make sure you have microG first before installing apps

blue_panther9_9 said:
3. Disable GMS with Icebox
4. Install MicroG
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can you post the link to this new process?
are you developing something new .. i have never heard of this combination before ...
HMS+GMS+Icebox+microG
why install microG if you are using GMS+Icebox? the purpose of Icebox is to give notifications, then you dont need microG.
if you really want the google play store, I really wouldn't bother with the P40 Pro.

linux2525 said:
can you post the link to this new process?
are you developing something new .. i have never heard of this combination before ...
HMS+GMS+Icebox+microG
why install microG if you are using GMS+Icebox? the purpose of Icebox is to give notifications, then you dont need microG.
if you really want the google play store, I really wouldn't bother with the P40 Pro.
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No I'm not developing anything new ? I'm trying to get the best of both worlds.
This GMS installation mod seems to be using microG underneath bcuz I got the message from the official microG app that my microG is already the latest version. I got the Vanced microG version installed without any need for icebox. But push notifications still doesn't work.

blue_panther9_9 said:
No I'm not developing anything new I'm trying to get the best of both worlds. .
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I haven't read of anyone successful achieving this before... Are you planning to rewrite some code of microG or can you solve with installation techniques?
If you have time to spare, then good luck trying

CALISTHRONE said:
For your second issue about the push notifications, Firebase is a Google-Cloud massaging service. There is a solution on xda I previously read but I can't find the thread. Try searching it.
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but why wouldn't you just say what the solution is? as you just said the solution above ... i.e. either (1) install microG or (2) freeze GMS
were you only talking about microG for youtube vanced? I think the other guy is talking about a microG install for google firebase cloud messaging .. so you're both mixed up trying to solve different problems.

linux2525 said:
but why wouldn't you just say what the solution is? as you just said the solution above ... i.e. either (1) install microG or (2) freeze GMS
were you only talking about microG for youtube vanced? I think the other guy is talking about a microG install for google firebase cloud messaging .. so you're both mixed up trying to solve different problems.
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OK sorry.

All good guys. Thanks, yeah MicroG vanced version didn't help me with my push notification issue.
but linux2525 pointed me to the right direction
1. HMS + GMS + Icebox. <-- At least I got my Banking app working now with Google Push notification. I think the next time I reset my PC, I would go with HMS + MicroG instead. I dont play games and mostly just Youtube, Spotify and Instagram only.
Also my whatsapp Google Drive backup still working with this combination *I'm backing up 3GB to my drive

blue_panther9_9 said:
All good guys. Thanks, yeah MicroG vanced version didn't help me with my push notification issue.
but linux2525 pointed me to the right direction
1. HMS + GMS + Icebox. <-- At least I got my Banking app working now with Google Push notification. I think the next time I reset my PC, I would go with HMS + MicroG instead. I dont play games and mostly just Youtube, Spotify and Instagram only.
Also my whatsapp Google Drive backup still working with this combination *I'm backing up 3GB to my drive
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Interesting, I'm looking at installing GMS as I have a variety of apps that won't work without Google. What makes you say you'd go without GMS next time? Are notifications working well across apss for you with Icebox?

Tmel14 said:
I'm looking at installing GMS as I have a variety of apps that won't work without Google.
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just out of interest .. which apps were those? i am curious to test on my p40 pro.

YouTube Music (technically works but can't seem to add an account)
The Atheltic
Paddy Power
Betfair
eBay
There were some others as well but can't think off the top of my head. Some of those I can use the websites instead of apps but often they aren't as user friendly.

YTMusic .. works great on firefox preview .. except a major problem .. cannot download.
eBay is not great in browser