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Hi all,
(I just joined today - hope you would go easy on me as I am still learning the xda etiquette.)
Just received my T-mobile HTC myTouch 4G slide and activated it on Sunday.
(Now before I jump onto my first impression of the phone, let me be clear - Till Sunday, I was proud owner of Nokia N900. I still love that phone. But I had to jump onto the Android bangwagor sooner or later since Nokia decided to to WinMo way. N900 was a solid phone with an unpolished/unfinished OS. Nokia never gave it a chance to mature.)
So, please keep in mind that I am new to Android as well as HTC and the phone itself.
Here is what I liked in my one full day of playing with the hardware and the OS/Software:
1. Android is fast, stable and polished, and enough apps to install one every day for rest of my life.
2. Phone is fast, not much stutter, has not crashed yet. Data connection is stable and voice quality is good.
3. UI looks, er, shiny (I do not give much weight to this, but apparently, a lot of people do, given popularity of 'certain' phones).
4. Keyboard is good. (one of the main reasons to buy the phone, as querty keyboard is a must for me )
Now onto negatives:
1. Lack of user control - though I have flexibility in controlling a lot of things on Android, there are a lot of other things which I really want to control but can not - i.e. uninstall t-mo / HCT bloatware (see my next point).
2. Bloatware - this was a shock to me. N900 is a clean device with no crap installed. T-Mo and HTC made sure I start hating my phone on day one by giving me pre-installed uninstallable crap. Not only I do not want them, it actually confuses me. I do not have a dedicated media player - but I have a 'Media Room' with T-Mobile TV and Slacker Radio (and none of them are complete versions). Bejeweled 2, T-mo backup, Highlight, Friend Stream - the list goes on, and I can not remove any of the app.
3. Android - no default file manager. Are you kidding me?
4. Contact - multiple entries from multiple sources (i.e. 411 & more is listed 4 times - one from google, one from tmo backup, one from phone and one from sd card). I know I can link them, or disable view of some of them, but god damn it - it's confusing as hell.
5. Camera - now don't get me wrong. The camera on this phone may be one of the best among Android/iphone phones, but where it gives you a lot of megapixels, the lens (and hence the quality) does not hold water against N900. Software can not make up for hardware limitations.
6. Battery - I almost ran out of juice before I even reached home from work in the evening - and that too from very limited use. Yes, I used phone for quite a bit, but without wireless/gps. I understand the display eats battery, but come on - shouldn't a smartphone be up on batter for one full day?
I will add more as I come across.
Please note that this is not a rant - there is some genuine disappointment with my first real hands on with Android/HTC. With the bloatware on this phone, I feel like I am being take advantage off, and I hate that feeling.
I am a linux user for 12 years (personally and professionally - as a programmer) and I consider myself a power-user (though not anywhere near Guru level), and so far, the phone has not given me even a default file browser.
I really hope to find more positive things to say, as I am committed to Android now that there is hardly any other linux-y OS out there.
Thanks
E
I agree. i havent upgraded since the G1.... i was very excited ... and first hands on was huge disapointment. bloatware, yes, and no skype video ...thats an android issue but none the less the phone seemed very unorganized and i was getting a billion messages from all over the internet with the bloatware subrcribing me to every little notification.
All of your problems except for "Camera issues" will be fixed as soon as S-OFF is available, and dev's will begin porting roms and developing roms. I expect overclocking to be tremendous with this dual core processor, since the mytouch 4g can now be clocked to over 2.0 ghz.
*If you want a file manager download astro from the market.
I forgot whether it requires root or not. If that one does, there are many other file managers just search.
Seems like the judgments are extra harsh and could all be solved by software, unrooting, etc. I'm stoked to be able to overclock to 2 GHz and then some. S-OFF on the MT4GS will be awesome!!!
There are many very good free media players/music players on the market (ex. Tinyplayer) . Same with the file managers, Astro is recommended. That's what the market is there for, as they knew dovelopers could provide the device with excellent applications.
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Can you confirm if google talk video chat works? I've heard it does not support it even though it's 2.3.4 . Thank you.
NAZology said:
Can you confirm if google talk video chat works? I've heard it does not support it even though it's 2.3.4 . Thank you.
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It seems you have heard it right.
Apparently, I did not know:
1. Android 2.3.4 enabled voice/video chat for GTalk app.
2. I certainly did not know HTC/T-MO decided to disable it!
Instead, there is Qik Video Chat app from tmo. For some reason, they think it's equivalent to gtalk? *facepalm*
(Now I hope I am wrong, but I have checked all options on GTalk app, and I do not see either video or audio icon next to my contacts, even if they are available to chat on video).
Let me add that to another negative.
Shaddy-Z. said:
All of your problems except for "Camera issues" will be fixed as soon as S-OFF is available, and dev's will begin porting roms and developing roms. I expect overclocking to be tremendous with this dual core processor, since the mytouch 4g can now be clocked to over 2.0 ghz.
*If you want a file manager download astro from the market.
I forgot whether it requires root or not. If that one does, there are many other file managers just search.
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Thanks. I know it's pretty new device, and mods/root/s-off will be available soon. That's why I have registered here. I was just giving first impression of the stock device. Yes, I have already downloaded Astro (does not require root). Not much impressed, but gets the job done.
unclespoon said:
Seems like the judgments are extra harsh and could all be solved by software, unrooting, etc. I'm stoked to be able to overclock to 2 GHz and then some. S-OFF on the MT4GS will be awesome!!!
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Yes, I know it would get resolved by software/unrooting. That's why I am on this forum. As I said above, these is my first impression of the stock device. And no - I don't think it's harsh at all. Sorry if I came across like that.
aronck said:
There are many very good free media players/music players on the market (ex. Tinyplayer) . Same with the file managers, Astro is recommended. That's what the market is there for, as they knew dovelopers could provide the device with excellent applications.
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Sure there are. But my point is that there are some apps which should come by default on the phone as part of the OS (e.g. Google Search, Contact, Calendar are part of the vanilla Android), and File manager should be at the very top. Anyways, I have already downloaded Astro, and many other apps to play around with it.
I am definitely looking forward to get rid of the software as soon as I can. Otherwise, this baby will have to go back.
Thank you for your comments.
eismcsquare said:
It seems you have heard it right.
Apparently, I did not know:
1. Android 2.3.4 enabled voice/video chat for GTalk app.
2. I certainly did not know HTC/T-MO decided to disable it!
Instead, there is Qik Video Chat app from tmo. For some reason, they think it's equivalent to gtalk? *facepalm*
(Now I hope I am wrong, but I have checked all options on GTalk app, and I do not see either video or audio icon next to my contacts, even if they are available to chat on video).
Let me add that to another negative.
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How about Skype support since no one I know or no one those people know or those people know that know those people uses Gtalk or Qik.
rorytmeadows said:
How about Skype support since no one I know or no one those people know or those people know that know those people uses Gtalk or Qik.
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Skype is audio only. No video support.
I moved from a very old android phone so this phone has so far not been able to truly lag on me.
My last phone was regular android even with stock so that is what I wanted. I'm not one to modify my home screen at all. I like the default black 2.3 look and that's what I want. Not Sense.
The fact that I have to void my warranty just to remove it makes me furious. Of course I could bring it back to none rooted state for that. Regardless I think it's hilarious that a bunch of marketing folks think they know better then I do. Heh.
I've made Android apps before and actually code for a living so it's pretty easy to tell that it's a rushed job. The sense front end has no way to disable contact finding so your phone basically becomes facebook and puts contact suggestions directly into your notifications based on your contacts.
Every single "built in" application then requires you to then agree to the terms of service for that specific application. Things like "KidZone", "Highlight", "T-Mobile Mall", "T-Mobile TV". One of the silliest ones is "doubleTwist" which when opened shows you a splash that asks you to click a "Send Email" button which sends you a link to download the app. It then removes itself off the phone. Sounds like malware to me.
So some company payed off Tmo to put this app on my phone so they can harvest my email. Yay.
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I don't have time for this bull****. Where's my cyanogenmod!!
Akujin said:
I don't have time for this bull****. Where's my cyanogenmod!!
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I'm personally hoping Faux123 cooks us some roms lol
Akujin said:
I don't have time for this bull****. Where's my cyanogenmod!!
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I'm personally hoping Blah and Sparks port PyroMod to the MT4Gs after root and S-Off are achieved. But that's just me, and I like to add as much memory as possible (A2EXT would certainly enable THAT).
Also, to OP, just wait until root is available and you'll see just how amazing Android can be. I recommend OI File Manager for a default one (this is the one preinstalled on Cyanogenmod-based ROMs). I switched to this one after too many buggy Astro updates and they started with ad-supported versions.
eismcsquare said:
Hi all,
(I just joined today - hope you would go easy on me as I am still learning the xda etiquette.)
Just received my T-mobile HTC myTouch 4G slide and activated it on Sunday.
(Now before I jump onto my first impression of the phone, let me be clear - Till Sunday, I was proud owner of Nokia N900. I still love that phone. But I had to jump onto the Android bangwagor sooner or later since Nokia decided to to WinMo way. N900 was a solid phone with an unpolished/unfinished OS. Nokia never gave it a chance to mature.)
So, please keep in mind that I am new to Android as well as HTC and the phone itself.
Here is what I liked in my one full day of playing with the hardware and the OS/Software:
1. Android is fast, stable and polished, and enough apps to install one every day for rest of my life.
2. Phone is fast, not much stutter, has not crashed yet. Data connection is stable and voice quality is good.
3. UI looks, er, shiny (I do not give much weight to this, but apparently, a lot of people do, given popularity of 'certain' phones).
4. Keyboard is good. (one of the main reasons to buy the phone, as querty keyboard is a must for me )
Now onto negatives:
1. Lack of user control - though I have flexibility in controlling a lot of things on Android, there are a lot of other things which I really want to control but can not - i.e. uninstall t-mo / HCT bloatware (see my next point).
2. Bloatware - this was a shock to me. N900 is a clean device with no crap installed. T-Mo and HTC made sure I start hating my phone on day one by giving me pre-installed uninstallable crap. Not only I do not want them, it actually confuses me. I do not have a dedicated media player - but I have a 'Media Room' with T-Mobile TV and Slacker Radio (and none of them are complete versions). Bejeweled 2, T-mo backup, Highlight, Friend Stream - the list goes on, and I can not remove any of the app.
3. Android - no default file manager. Are you kidding me?
4. Contact - multiple entries from multiple sources (i.e. 411 & more is listed 4 times - one from google, one from tmo backup, one from phone and one from sd card). I know I can link them, or disable view of some of them, but god damn it - it's confusing as hell.
5. Camera - now don't get me wrong. The camera on this phone may be one of the best among Android/iphone phones, but where it gives you a lot of megapixels, the lens (and hence the quality) does not hold water against N900. Software can not make up for hardware limitations.
6. Battery - I almost ran out of juice before I even reached home from work in the evening - and that too from very limited use. Yes, I used phone for quite a bit, but without wireless/gps. I understand the display eats battery, but come on - shouldn't a smartphone be up on batter for one full day?
I will add more as I come across.
Please note that this is not a rant - there is some genuine disappointment with my first real hands on with Android/HTC. With the bloatware on this phone, I feel like I am being take advantage off, and I hate that feeling.
I am a linux user for 12 years (personally and professionally - as a programmer) and I consider myself a power-user (though not anywhere near Guru level), and so far, the phone has not given me even a default file browser.
I really hope to find more positive things to say, as I am committed to Android now that there is hardly any other linux-y OS out there.
Thanks
E
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You say you are a Linux developer, and you are complaining about bloatware? You are kidding right?
Android1126 said:
You say you are a Linux developer, and you are complaining about bloatware? You are kidding right?
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Please. Read the title of the post first.
I just realized something: Why hasn't the hacking/development community made a "status of root update" thread for the Doubleshot the way they did for the Vision? Permaroot and S-OFF are what's really holding me back from getting this device (PyroMod 2.3.5's speedy boot time on the Vision actually DOES rival that of dual-core phones, so I'm in no hurry to get it; I'm just asking why there isn't one).
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I just realized something: Why hasn't the hacking/development community made a "status of root update" thread for the Doubleshot the way they did for the Vision? Permaroot and S-OFF are what's really holding me back from getting this device (PyroMod 2.3.5's speedy boot time on the Vision actually DOES rival that of dual-core phones, so I'm in no hurry to get it; I'm just asking why there isn't one).
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You could make it?
Hi guys, i know this has been done before, what elements of a stock ROM can be removed safely...
I aways used stock debloated ROMs, done by hand w Titanium Backup, after the latest 4.0.4 update i did the same thing.
First time i loaded TB i believe it read 207 elements, i deleted everything i dont use, and i know it not mess up my phone... at the end, after many weeks of freezing/deleting 1-2 elements at a time (so i can determime what i delete wont cause any problems) i was left with only 41 elements! 165+ frozen/deleted !!!
First of all, before you start anything, back up your ROM with CWM or TB.
Second, use your brain and common sence... if you use Swype, dont uninstall it etc... i dont so i removed it...
BEFORE YOU FREEZE/DELETE ANYTHING, MAKE SURE IS A SERVICE YOU DO NOT USE, CLICK ON EVERY ELEMENT YOU ARE PLANNING TO DISABLE, THEN CLICK ON ITS NAME IN THAT WINDOW THAT POPS UP, AND LOOK AT THE APP NAME OF THAT ELEMENT, MOST OF THE TIME THAT WILL GIVE YOU MUCH BETTER IDIA OF WHAT SERVICE IS CONNECTED TO.
For example, i do not synch my google calendar, thefore i dont need that element, so i deleted "GoogleCalendaySynch" app element, but probably most of you do...
What i am trying to say is, do not blindly go and delete everything i have removed, some thing you might use will stop working.
Besides that, its a absolutely fully functional ROM with minimal bloatware, exeptional battery life, very fast boot and small footprint as a CWM backup file.
Below you see Screenshots of 5 pages Titanium Backup of what i have left on my ROM, and i want to insure you, it works just fine, but is very snappy, loads much quicker on phone startup, and a CWM backup is only 382MB
Battery life is very much improved, as you can see in the screenshot after the original post, i charged my phone, unplugged it, and went to sleep, phone was in service, absolutely normal state, only lost 4% overnight in 8 hrs! that is 0.5% per hour... i dont think there is a possible lower overnight drain that can be achieved when the phone is still in servise...
Here is a list of all (about 200+ elements) Samsung ROM elements with description of what each one does and if its safe to remove in spredsheet format if you wondering what is what before freeze/delete it:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...1gdDJRekl4QmkyNmIzUmRvX2h3UDVkQXc&output=html
Upon deleteing all of T-Mobile bloatware/spyware you will be pleasently supprised that the native "Mobile Hotspot" tethering app works! (I am on the $70 unlimithed 4G plan that doesnt alow tethering btw) Works just fine as you were on a unlocked Nexus device etc.
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Overnight Battery Drain:
CM 10.0 20130630 Running on 27 Elements!
No Maps, Chrome, Gmail, so make that 30
Insane Battery Life, will post SS soon, but i got 1% drain in 6hrs...
Overnight Battery Drain:
R e s e r v e d
A month later im still on my extremely debloated ROM...
Working just fine, no FCs, the only thing i have changed from my OP is that i deleted "Web" the stock browser also as i downloaded and using Chrome...
Sorry for the bump, some people might found it helpful...
Nice complete list, I went ahead and disabled a few more. Thanks!
hristopelov said:
A month later im still on my extremely debloated ROM...
Working just fine, no FCs, the only thing i have changed from my OP is that i deleted "Web" the stock browser also as i downloaded and using Chrome...
Sorry for the bump, some people might found it helpful...
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Extremely useful post using it to debloat my gfs blaze and even my skyrocket
Dumb question as I'm kinda a novice, what are the basic steps to debloat my Blaze? I'd LOVE to prune out the extra crap... thanks!
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Dumb question as I'm kinda a novice, what are the basic steps to debloat my Blaze? I'd LOVE to prune out the extra crap... thanks!
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One step is to look for an already debloated custom rom...
Sent from my Provisioned Galaxy S Blaze
I had an issue with custom ROM on my Exhibit 4G whereby the Tmobile TV would no longer authenticate. I'd rather just trim out junk from an otherwise stock rom to avoid that problem again...
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I had an issue with custom ROM on my Exhibit 4G whereby the Tmobile TV would no longer authenticate. I'd rather just trim out junk from an otherwise stock rom to avoid that problem again...
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just root your phone, then get Titanium Backup from the Play Store, use it do delete each app you dont want while keeping the essentials as shown in the Original Post Screenshots.
Thats all
Thanks but I think rooting my Exhibit was what caused Tmo TV not to authenticate... anyone see this? If I root but keep stock ROM and prune it, will the same problem happen again? BTW I'm liking the Blaze
I think I will give this a try as I hate bloatware! What is the best way to root the Blaze, is there an easy app or utility a novice could use to root it with?
Is been 3 month since my OP, for the last few weeks i removed another 6-7 elements off, so i downed it to only 47 out of the initial about 210 the ROM comes bloated with !!!
Everything works just fine.
Updated the OP screenshots and info, check it out guys.
Happy Debloaing, and make sure you backup/freeze first before you delete anything!
Deleted 4 more elements lol i think ive reached the bare minimum now at 43
Been running it for a couple a days no problem whatsoever, deleted the "Network location" it does just fine w GPS and i almost never ever use location anyway, deleted "Serial number read/write" and "Service Mode" tried entering Odin mode, nonproblem, isnt needed...
Updated the OP w fresh SS of the Titanium Backup 43 elements left... i think thats it, nothing else that i dont use can be removed.
Cheers!
That's impressive man! And everything on your phone works perfect?
Sent from a Paranoid Blaze
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That's impressive man! And everything on your phone works perfect?
Sent from a Paranoid Blaze
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Yeah man, absolutely, i wouldnt b posting it if it wasnt
Freeze everything and youll see... very fast, no drain of battery etc, i lot of those things run in the backgrownd even if they arent turn on and you are not using them, like the "Network Location"
you can delete a lot of more elements if you dont use em at all, like the "calculator" "calendar", "music player", "video player", the "divx codec", "folder explorer" etc... i use all those things tho...
anyway, you wont see it anywhere trimmed so much, as atleast 15-20 of the elements i deleted, if not even more, if you read in other threads they are marked as "do not freeze/delete"...
I guess someone has to try it first, they r not needed, everything works just fine.
Updated the second post in the Thread with a screenshot of my overnight battery drain...
I do not think there could be a better one, only 4% in 8 hours while i was sleeping... 0.5% per hour.
I just charged my phone to 100% and unplugged it before i went to sleep, phone was in service, as you can see from the SS i even got some txts and emails overninght, just normal phone standby...
Great Battery
Deleted those 2 otherwise very important looking elements too, without absolutely no effect on my phone:
Ran it with them frozen for a couple a days, then deleted them, ran without em for mybe close to a week now, no effect on the phone whatsoever...
If you click on them and read the app names otherwise they look needed...
I was looking for the lowest possible elements in a stock ROM, and now i think that is it, there is nothing else left from the Android/Samsung system that can be eliminated...
41 elements only... OP updated with the new screenshots.
Thats it... absolute bare minimum has been achieved.
Promise no more bumps on that Threat
I got a used i9070 last week that was still running Android 2.3. After updating it to the official 4.1.2 ROM and then installing the latest CyanogenMod 11 build by NovaFusion team and customizing it, my Samsung S II Lite / Samsung S Advance battery life lasted more than six days without charging it !
The screenshots look dark because the brightness level is set to low and use Twilight, but it looks good on the screen of the device.
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After taking this screenshot, I decided to finally charge it. Here are my home and about screens:
ROM: CyanogenMod 11 by NovaFusion (December 2014 release). Relevant installed apps:
AdAway
AFWall+
ES File Explorer
F-Droid
Google Keyboard
Google Play Services (I've kept mainly the Play Store and Calendar)
Intelli3G
List My Apps
Power Toggles
System App Safe Remover
Twilight
Xposed Installer
I keep all synchronization services turned off when I'm not using it. Intelli3G is set to also automatically change the network mode to 2G when mobile data is off. This makes it use a lot less battery than the default 3G mode.
I've also found out that Google Play Services kept wasting my battery even when data and Wifi connections were turned off, so I used the built-in CyanogenMod Privacy Guard app to prevent it from waking the device up.
I've also turned off some animations with the Android developer options, and it feels very fast to use. It's charging relatively quickly too.
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I got a used i9070 last week that was still running Android 2.3. After updating it to the official 4.1.2 ROM and then installing the latest CyanogenMod 11 build by NovaFusion team and customizing it, my Samsung S II Lite / Samsung S Advance battery life lasted more than six days without charging it !
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SS you attached don't make any sense bcz there isn't any app you used ! battery life doesn't depend on how many app u installed it depends on how may you actually used !!
plus you even turned off play services so how come one can get notifications depends on it ?!
so put SS of SOT & give proof of you used phone in that 6 day bcz Novafusion is king of lies
bcz one can charge phone and put it aside for 2 weeks also, it may be still on but it don't mean that rom battery backup is good
@jineshpatel30 Not even the most expensive phones would last so much if you actually spent a lot of time touching it. The phone was mostly just connected to the cellular network to receive calls and messages (I'm using it as my main phone and take it everywhere), and the list of apps I posted show what I used to customize it, not everything that is on it. Hence the word relevant.
The point of this thread is that the battery would normally be wasted in a normal install even inside your hypothetical box, and I solved this by automatically disabling everything but the cell signal when I'm not looking at the screen. As for Google Play notifications, I don't need any of them except the calendar one, and I can easily synchornize it in 5 seconds.
When I get a data plan, I'm going to browse maps and some sites daily too, and AdAway and AFWall+ will help me save a lot of battery in relation to a standard install. Even if you use yours to do a lot of things every day, you can gain some battery life by using Intelli3G too.
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@jineshpatel30 Not even the most expensive phones would last so much if you actually spent a lot of time touching it. The phone was mostly just connected to the cellular network to receive calls and messages (I'm using it as my main phone and take it everywhere), and the list of apps I posted show what I used to customize it, not everything that is on it. Hence the word relevant.
The point of this thread is that the battery would normally be wasted in a normal install even inside your hypothetical box, and I solved this by automatically disabling everything but the cell signal when I'm not looking at the screen. As for Google Play notifications, I don't need any of them except the calendar one, and I can easily synchornize it in 5 seconds.
When I get a data plan, I'm going to browse maps and some sites daily too, and AdAway and AFWall+ will help me save a lot of battery in relation to a standard install. Even if you use yours to do a lot of things every day, you can gain some battery life by using Intelli3G too.
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So basically you r saying that you created this thread just to show "stand by time of i9070 on cm11"
So change thread title to that..
Btw no one is interstated in that !
N also if one wants to sync manually and check all notification by opening apps every time (regarding disabling play service) then i think he shouldn't even buy smart phone !
Whenever you ready to USE yr phone (atleast daily moderate use) check yr battery ...i bet you won't get more than 1.5Hr SOT with 6hr up time
@jineshpatel30 I for one am among the people interested in the longest possible battery life and read many threads on this and other forums to find the best solutions. You keep ignoring the fact that my tips contain things useful for all kinds of users, like automatically changing the network to 2G when you aren't using your data plan. If you prefer to drain your battery as much as you can, just ignore this thread. I don't see the point of coming here just to attack me and the used phone I got as gift.
I assume you're trolling and am going to ignore your replies from now on.
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@jineshpatel30 I for one am among the people interested in the longest possible battery life and read many threads on this and other forums to find the best solutions. You keep ignoring the fact that my tips contain things useful for all kinds of users, like automatically changing the network to 2G when you aren't using your data plan. If you prefer to drain your battery as much as you can, just ignore this thread. I don't see the point of coming here just to attack me and the used phone I got as gift.
I assume you're trolling and am going to ignore your replies from now on.
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1st of all i'm not trolling.
I'm telling the facts that if you bought a phone atleast you need to let it do some basic things automatically...putting all things manual and blocking necessary apps doesn't make any sense to improve battery life bcz you can charge phone atleast once a day without much trouble.
And if you are telling about improvement with battery life your thread should be "improve battery life with xxx app" not like "6 day battery on CM11" bcz changes you made (blocking) and apps you are using are not specific to any rom.
And inteli3G is very popular app so most of xda members already knew about that. And personally i noticed that it use more battery than you could save by using it IF YOU USE YOUR DATA PLAN EVERY NOW AND THEN (it may be useful if you rarely ise data plan)
So my point is if you make new thread then make it proper..
1st you said 6day battery on CM11 with device you barely used
Then you are saying i'm taking about my configuration ( blocking play service n sync) which normal user can't do
And now about app which can work in any rom !
So be clear what you are telling to ppl and give appropriate name to thread...this will help to to spread right info to more users.
And sorry if you feel like i'm trolling or attacking you , but i'm not
There is already an thread for this:
Battery live post yours I9070/P battery live
Yep, in stand by my Janice have 10 days from charge. New original battery, stock, rooted and Cocore kernel.
But its irrelevant on stand by.
I know this device is currently only available in China and not planned for a global release. I had one imported and I have been getting my feet wet with development. How hard is it to extract the kernel and driver blobs from the Chinese Rom and create a Global Rom or Custom Rom? I know I'm asking a bit of a "how long is a piece of string" question here. It's because I don't know what I don't know. I figured I just get the conversation started here in-case anyone else has more input / experience on this subject. As this device isn't too much different than the Mi 10 / 10 Pro models, I've been trying to retrace the footsteps of the development on these devices.
The latest Chinese MIUI 12 Rom for Mi 10 Ultra:
http://bigota.d.miui.com/V12.0.7.0....JCNXM_20200813.0000.00_10.0_cn_2513f349af.tgz
I can see the boot.img and recover.img files within. I know you can extract the kernel from the boot.img file but I'm not great with a hex editor / binary splitter.
There is a thread over on xiaomi.eu discussing the possibility of a Mi 10 Ultra Global Rom from them:
https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/xiaomi-mi-10-ultra-xiaomi-eu-rom-support.56988/
Xiaomi Mi 10 / 10 Pro unlock bootloader / root:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-mi-10/how-to/guide-mi-10-10-pro-root-guide-t4071553
Unofficial TWRP for Mi 10 / 10 Pro:
https://www.xda-developers.com/unofficial-twrp-is-now-available-for-the-xiaomi-mi-10-and-mi-10-pro/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xi...xperimental-unofficial-twrp-mi-10-10-t4106385
https://github.com/simonsmh/android_device_xiaomi_umi
https://mega.nz/folder/hk0giYJZ#jj3pKafnkhxph5DdWjce1g
I'm with you on this, looking for alternative English rom and the possibility of being able to enable band 20 in the radio chip. I'm sure this has been software disabled, you just wouldn't make a separate chip with no Band 20, it's much cheaper to use a stock chip.
Going to apply for bootloader unlock today, as it looks like there is a waiting period. Done my back ups yesterday, so hopefully bootloader unlocked soon, then wait for twrp and root. I'm no coder but happy to help if I can be of any help.
Developer Options has OEM unlock and the method to use the Mi Unlock Tool to start the waiting period. So the process seems the same as for any other Mi phone I guess I will be starting that off too this weekend!
Sathelp said:
I'm with you on this, looking for alternative English rom and the possibility of being able to enable band 20 in the radio chip. I'm sure this has been software disabled, you just wouldn't make a separate chip with no Band 20, it's much cheaper to use a stock chip.
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This makes sense... I don't "know" if it's true but I've definitely seen before this attempted in custom ROMS: stuff like changing the modem config, software solutions. And it is the sister phone to the main Mi 10 line, which does come in Global. So... Here's hoping!
This is pretty interesting. Here in Spain the Band 20 is the only one we're missing, and it would be wonderful if it can be activated.
It would be the perfect phone if it wasn't for this and for the red tint on some 4K videos.
There's a thread on xda about unlocking the band frequencies on qualcomm devices. If anyone could try it would appreciate a lot. :fingers-crossed:
The waiting game begins!
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I ran into a little trouble with the unlock process. Nothing too big, but my sincere advice is log in with your MIUI number, and make sure you can "find your device" on https://i.mi.com/ to get this far
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I'm with you on this, looking for alternative English rom and the possibility of being able to enable band 20 in the radio chip. I'm sure this has been software disabled, you just wouldn't make a separate chip with no Band 20, it's much cheaper to use a stock chip.
Going to apply for bootloader unlock today, as it looks like there is a waiting period. Done my back ups yesterday, so hopefully bootloader unlocked soon, then wait for twrp and root. I'm no coder but happy to help if I can be of any help.
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I too am very interested in seeing if it's possible to get band 20 enabled, that would be awesome. I've looked for threads on this subject, there is one in particular that has a lot of information on it, right here. It seems that a lot of people active different bands in the LTE config file, check with an app that looks at the config file but don't actually check to see if the modem installed in the phone supports those bands and lets the phone connect to them. So I'm cautious, looks to me some people here report false-positives.
Please keep us posted, a combined effort here might shed more light on the possibilities and ways to get there.
EDIT: The phone has the Qualcomm X55 5G modem (source), which does just about every band on 2G, 3G and 4G according to several sites (example). So hardware-wise we might be good.
Defo. I'm keeping a cross several forums but as it's so new, there's not too much happening yet. Shame it's only China that it's released in or there would much quicker work. edit, after having a good read of the articles and posts, flashing or changing modem settings looks promising to open up the closed bands. As others have done this, at least there is some hope. First thing is to get this rooted. Another few days to get this done but I am looking for root, twrp and magisk info for this one.
There's a Telegram Group for Mi 10 that will be used also for Ultra
Maybe there will be more infos there, maybe a unified build
Appelsap said:
I too am very interested in seeing if it's possible to get band 20 enabled, that would be awesome. I've looked for threads on this subject, there is one in particular that has a lot of information on it, right here. It seems that a lot of people active different bands in the LTE config file, check with an app that looks at the config file but don't actually check to see if the modem installed in the phone supports those bands and lets the phone connect to them. So I'm cautious, looks to me some people here report false-positives.
Please keep us posted, a combined effort here might shed more light on the possibilities and ways to get there.
EDIT: The phone has the Qualcomm X55 5G modem (source), which does just about every band on 2G, 3G and 4G according to several sites (example). So hardware-wise we might be good.
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It looks to me like the Mi 10 / Pro / Ultra all share most of the same chips:
https://www.techinsights.com/blog/xiaomi-mi-10-teardown-analysis
Makes me wonder if it isn't as easy as adapting one of the existing roms for those devices to run on the Ultra....
sirTAVARES said:
There's a Telegram Group for Mi 10 that will be used also for Ultra
Maybe there will be more infos there, maybe a unified build
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Do you have a link to the Telegram Group?
Just saw this:
https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/guide-how-to-install-xiaomi-eu-rom-for-xiaomi-mi10-ultra.57259/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-mi-10-ultra/how-to/tried-xiaomi-eu-rom-ultra-t4158149
ToneLa said:
The waiting game begins!
I ran into a little trouble with the unlock process. Nothing too big, but my sincere advice is log in with your MIUI number, and make sure you can "find your device" on https://i.mi.com/ to get this far
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Whats this about? Is this the only option to unlock the phone? I am new to Xiaomi having been a Samsung Note user from day 1, and don't understand this process ....
Is there another option for those who are willing to wait? or is this the only way to unlock the phone? I have tried to stay clear of signing up for anything on this device. I get pop-ups often on this phone. An example is in Settings -> VPN. I have my own paid VPN service, yet there is no way to set anything. Press VPN in Settings and I get "Set Lock Screen Password - Set a lock screen password to save your VPN settings" why? I've never had to do this for any device in the past. I don't do passwords, thumb scan, face reco or any of those things. Yet this is the only option? Its terribly intrusive that MY password MUST be stored on the device for MY VPN service, with no other option.
Is this the case with unlocking? No other option?
Thx.
Burginthorn said:
Whats this about? Is this the only option to unlock the phone? I am new to Xiaomi having been a Samsung Note user from day 1, and don't understand this process ....
Is there another option for those who are willing to wait? or is this the only way to unlock the phone? I have tried to stay clear of signing up for anything on this device. I get pop-ups often on this phone. An example is in Settings -> VPN. I have my own paid VPN service, yet there is no way to set anything. Press VPN in Settings and I get "Set Lock Screen Password - Set a lock screen password to save your VPN settings" why? I've never had to do this for any device in the past. I don't do passwords, thumb scan, face reco or any of those things. Yet this is the only option? Its terribly intrusive that MY password MUST be stored on the device for MY VPN service, with no other option.
Is this the case with unlocking? No other option?
Thx.
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You REALLY should have worked out some of your scenarios before you got the phone. For me and a lot of other people here I guess, the obvious thing to do is see the phone itself now as a temporary project which you will eventually customise to your liking.
Example now, this morning, I've flashed Xiaomi.eu's ROM instead of the stock Chinese image. And you've not even started the unlock countdown yet and had it as long as me? Trust me, nobody posts things "the hard way", if there was another method I'd have mentioned it.
Please take this as friendly advice: you really don't seem like you like your phone. That's OK, anything positive I've said about the Mi 10 Ultra has been with one eye on the future. MIUI is... I can work with it, but I'm looking to wave it goodbye, yknow?
IMO What you WANT to be doing with this is yes, doing the Mi Unlock service TODAY - and next week, several of us will already have had a week in a xiaomi.eu rom. Plenty of us want as close to stock android as possible!
So, with respect, I see you're having issues now, but get on the boat already - start that unlock countdown, and start dreaming of what can be changed about your phone. Much of what you're unhappy about here is strictly software.
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You REALLY should have worked out some of your scenarios before you got the phone. For me and a lot of other people here I guess, the obvious thing to do is see the phone itself now as a temporary project which you will eventually customise to your liking.
Example now, this morning, I've flashed Xiaomi.eu's ROM instead of the stock Chinese image. And you've not even started the unlock countdown yet and had it as long as me? Trust me, nobody posts things "the hard way", if there was another method I'd have mentioned it.
Please take this as friendly advice: you really don't seem like you like your phone. That's OK, anything positive I've said about the Mi 10 Ultra has been with one eye on the future. MIUI is... I can work with it, but I'm looking to wave it goodbye, yknow?
IMO What you WANT to be doing with this is yes, doing the Mi Unlock service TODAY - and next week, several of us will already have had a week in a xiaomi.eu rom. Plenty of us want as close to stock android as possible!
So, with respect, I see you're having issues now, but get on the boat already - start that unlock countdown, and start dreaming of what can be changed about your phone. Much of what you're unhappy about here is strictly software.
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Or you could choose not to reply to my posts if that's not too difficult.
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Or you could choose not to reply to my posts if that's not too difficult.
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You mean like you quoted mine with everything but custom ROM development?
A custom ROM would solve all your problems. But yeah, if I'm the bad guy for saying "the best thing you can do for your phone today is start the unlock process" then I can live with who I am.
But if you have a ton of complaints, list them in a reply to me I get a notification about, then you can't wonder why I respond. I thought you relied on notification features yourself?
Similarly, I am also looking forward to custom ROMs (for example, rehabilitation Remix / PE / havoc). I am a Chinese user, and I hope that God can make native ROMs as soon as possible
Okay Ive had some time using this phone and came to a conclusion, I don't need root on this phone.
Now of course root gives us the power but I have found some applications and a few workarounds to get the best overall performance on this Pixel 7 Pro.
1.Shizuku apk.
This app is sorta like a su app with of course no system level privileges.
(I use this app for ,Better Internet Tiles,
Carrier Vanity Name and Dar Q ..)
2.Package Disabler apk.
This app can debloat most apps.
3.System UI Turner apk.
This app can enable and disable hidden features within the ROM.
4. My new favorite non rooted app that can lock the CPU frequencies.
Max All CPU (non root) apk.
This app actually works which shocked me.!!
5.Adguard apk.
So basically having a pixel device has been the same experience as my rooted devices running pixel experience roms.
Of course better screen (AMOLED) wireless charging and IP68 rating etc...
In a nut shell one can enjoy this device without root.
Please list applications or adb commands or anything that can improve the overall performance of the pixel without root..
Thanks..
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What you're asking is nearly impossible. You can disable some apps, but installing more will just slow down your device. There are no ADB commands that will "improve performance" either.
Please list applications or adb commands or anything that can improve the overall performance of the pixel without root..
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V0latyle said:
What you're asking is nearly impossible. You can disable some apps, but installing more will just slow down your device. There are no ADB commands that will "improve performance" either.
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I can't speak to ADB commands (I doubt there's any, i figure OP's asking for "special commands" that gain some special access to change a particular setting), I think what OP is going for is methods/apps like Greenify -- which is debatable because, as I understand it, Android OS does a whole caching or keeping apps in a low background state as to not use up more power & resources to start them back up again; I only ever seen it discussed when users discuss the merits of "closing all apps" (also discussed on iphones) and/or how it is different than "closing programs" in Windows (this might've been a different case on older versions of Android [as I recall finding it necessary to do such methods on my Motorola Droids {1,3,4}])...
But agreed, without root access, what can be done is so limiting that it's hardly going to make a noticeable difference. if anything, one must trust Android OS developers that they're making the most out of resources ("under the hood") and not wasting them...
Interesting!
Debloat via windows cpu using :
(UAD) Universal Android Debloater, works on Android 14 beta 3.1 in case anyone is curious..
I've noticed less battery drain when i uninstalled google calander,vzw.apn.lib, digital wellbeing, YouTube music, Gmail, and few others..
jhjhjhjhjhjh said:
Debloat via windows cpu using :
(UAD) Universal Android Debloater, works on Android 14 beta 3.1 in case anyone is curious..
I've noticed less battery drain when i uninstalled google calander,vzw.apn.lib, digital wellbeing, YouTube music, Gmail, and few others..
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Of course, when u disable more app, more battery gain. But then, what do u use your phone for? (Uninstall calendar, Gmail?)
hungragezone said:
Of course, when u disable more app, more battery gain. But then, what do u use your phone for? (Uninstall calendar, Gmail?)
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i used the browser to check my emails and the preinstalled google calendar requires a sign in just to see the calendar month i don't like that i use another calendar app..
4ADatabase setedit mod that has my pixel 7 pro flying and with no overheating.
Running this mod on android 14 beta 3.1..
I saw this mod in a thread somewhere that works without root just the app.
My cpu clock speeds are now stable and don't fluctuate like I'm used to on a rooted phone that i would max out my cores for best performance
.
See my pics.. This phone really needs no root or custom rom
..I need all my banking apps , hold for me and all stock pixel exclusives...
Happy modding without root..
jhjhjhjhjhjh said:
4ADatabase setedit mod that has my pixel 7 pro flying and with no overheating.
Running this mod on android 14 beta 3.1..
I saw this mod in a thread somewhere that works without root just the app.
My cpu clock speeds are now stable and don't fluctuate like I'm used to on a rooted phone that i would max out my cores for best performance
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See my pics.. This phone really needs no root or custom rom
..I need all my banking apps , hold for me and all stock pixel exclusives...
Happy modding without root..View attachment 5939303View attachment 5939305View attachment 5939307
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How about battery life?
jhjhjhjhjhjh said:
4ADatabase setedit mod that has my pixel 7 pro flying and with no overheating.
Running this mod on android 14 beta 3.1..
I saw this mod in a thread somewhere that works without root just the app.
My cpu clock speeds are now stable and don't fluctuate like I'm used to on a rooted phone that i would max out my cores for best performance
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See my pics.. This phone really needs no root or custom rom
..I need all my banking apps , hold for me and all stock pixel exclusives...
Happy modding without root..View attachment 5939303View attachment 5939305View attachment 5939307
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I really appreciate your informations. Anyway the way you tell everbody "you dont need root" is patronizing. People root for many reasons. And its a lot easier to play around with mods if you have root. I never had problems with root since the first Android Phone.
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How about battery life?
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No noticeable difference.. I spent 3 hours on calls, took some video shots, watched about 1 hour of YouTube, used Android Auto and maps while driving down the coast for about an hour.
Came home about 6 hours later still had %65 left in the can.... Battery life has always been good even on A13..
xtcislove said:
I really appreciate your informations. Anyway the way you tell everbody "you dont need root" is patronizing. People root for many reasons. And its a lot easier to play around with mods if you have root. I never had problems with root since the first Android Phone.
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Patronising. lol
I guess one only reads and gravitates to one subject.
I've been rooting, building, baking roms ,flashing etc..since 2009.. This phone is the only phone that I've owned that I've never rooted ..I repeat 14 years of android modding and this phone makes me not want to root it ..
Why does that bother you?
Don't answer I know why..
Lastly, Those of us who are enlighten know something.
Ill throw one bone for your everyone roots for various reasons post
Theres 5 main factors why one roots per national surveys and repetitions.
1.Bloatware/crapware removal
2.Modders/Devs love to tinker and are just enthusiast..(Love That)
3.Google haters. (Micro G lovers) Some hate the Google advertisement practices, Google is an advertisment company remember that part.
4.Hackers, enough said on that..
5.Ability to customize there device to ones own liking..
Many more but you know that already..
So what have we learned today class?
jhjhjhjhjhjh said:
Patronising. lol
I guess one only reads and gravitates to one subject.
I've been rooting, building, baking roms ,flashing etc..since 2009.. This phone is the only phone that I've owned that I've never rooted ..I repeat 14 years of android modding and this phone makes me not want to root it ..
Why does that bother you?
Don't answer I know why..
Lastly, Those of us who are enlighten know something.
Ill throw one bone for your everyone roots for various reasons post
Theres 5 main factors why one roots per national surveys and repetitions.
1.Bloatware/crapware removal
2.Modders/Devs love to tinker and are just enthusiast..(Love That)
3.Google haters. (Micro G lovers) Some hate the Google advertisement practices, Google is an advertisment company remember that part.
4.Hackers, enough said on that..
5.Ability to customize there device to ones own liking..
Many more but you know that already..
So what have we learned today class?
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"Why does that bother you?" Nothing you mentioned above bothers me, its your attitude.
"Lastly, Those of us who are enlighten know something." -> Attitude
"So what have we learned today class? " That i am right about you and your attitude.
And yes this is highly subjective and just like your tips about not rooting you maybe take a thing out of my critics.
You should put a tutorial together for the devices that are bootloader locked or just do not want to root. Good information here
Enabled (VONR ) Voice Over New Radio=5G
I've read many pixel users say that phone reception is not that good.
Being on Verizon wireless towers i have no dropped calls and calls are super clear with the clear calling option enabled in settings.
This app( pixelIMS.apk ) enables VOLTE, VONR,apn option to add can be enabled although its blocked on spectrum so i still cant edit my apns..and a few other features.
Give credits to the developer of this app on GitHub..
App requires shikuku or root..
NFC works on Beta 14 _3.1
Tested it on a train and made a google pay purchase at the store. Even worked with my bulky case on.