so I bought the 3a a few days ago, and I updated to Android 10. Wanting to install TWRP, I saw it wasn't available for the latest version yet. I know if I wanna root I can just flash the boot.img, but that's not why I'm here :
- are we gonna get TWRP anytime soon? I would prefer to wait for it
- haven't seen a custom ROM with Q/10 yet. Is it expected anytime soon too?
- Should we get multi rom support one day?
Given that there isn't any major feature in 10, I could just go back but I can wait a few weeks too.
Thanks in advance
PS: I'm not asking for ETAs, just a rough idea to help my decisionship
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80175195&postcount=189
benji said:
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how fast does TeamWin respond to major android updates?
Given the current enthusiasm, or lack thereof with regard to Android 10 for this line of Pixels, I dont see much development happening soon if at all. I dont know why though its a great phone. I had the Pixel 3 when it came out and I do not miss that phone at all now that I have the 3a.
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how fast does TeamWin respond to major android updates?
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Every update is different. I assure you they are working on it as quickly as possible. I believe there are some major file and partition changes that are creating a pretty big hurdle they have to get over.
Archangel said:
Given the current enthusiasm, or lack thereof with regard to Android 10 for this line of Pixels, I dont see much development happening soon if at all. I dont know why though its a great phone. I had the Pixel 3 when it came out and I do not miss that phone at all now that I have the 3a.
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People don't decide to move faster based on these passive approaches of suggesting "they don't care." We both know this was a sneaky troll attempt. No one will bite, I assure you. They are just going to continue at the normal speed they can.
Nevermind,,,not worth my time,,, move on.
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People don't decide to move faster based on these passive approaches of suggesting "they don't care." We both know this was a sneaky troll attempt. No one will bite, I assure you. They are just going to continue at the normal speed they can.
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The 3a is the first phone I've gotten where I don't see any need for a custom rom. It's great just the way it is.
alliance1975 said:
The 3a is the first phone I've gotten where I don't see any need for a custom rom. It's great just the way it is.
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Exactly that. Only thing really missing is built in call recording and better sound quality through headphones.
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The 3a is the first phone I've gotten where I don't see any need for a custom rom. It's great just the way it is.
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Overall? yes you are right.
But i miss some feats like
Hide battery icon
Get rid of album art at lockscreen
Double tap lockscreen to sleep
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Just small things that wont hurt that much ^^
@Unstroofy and @yabadabadooo.
Indeed. My needs are basic, bt for auto, maps for directions, and I add some of my own apps. I can definitely understand where those smarter and more adept than me like to test, tinker and experiment. I'm nearing 70 and I like this phone for dependability.
Oh yes and not a lot of bloatware.
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People don't decide to move faster based on these passive approaches of suggesting "they don't care." We both know this was a sneaky troll attempt. No one will bite, I assure you. They are just going to continue at the normal speed they can.
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I assume it was just an assessment and he wasn't trying to troll or anything, just saying the community around Android 10 isn't very enthousiast. No value judgment.
alliance1975 said:
The 3a is the first phone I've gotten where I don't see any need for a custom rom. It's great just the way it is.
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II'd like to get rid of google in the long run (except for the photo app hehe)
yabadabadooo said:
Overall? yes you are right.
But i miss some feats like
Hide battery icon
Get rid of album art at lockscreen
Double tap lockscreen to sleep
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Just small things that wont hurt that much ^^
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You can toggle the battery icon inside the power settings
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I assume it was just an assessment and he wasn't trying to troll or anything, just saying the community around Android 10 isn't very enthousiast. No value judgment.
II'd like to get rid of google in the long run (except for the photo app hehe)
You can toggle the battery icon inside the power settings
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What Power settings? ^^
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I assume it was just an assessment and he wasn't trying to troll or anything, just saying the community around Android 10 isn't very enthousiast. No value judgment.
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It is nice that you are extending a lot of latitude in lending the benefit of the doubt on this. The fact of the matter is that his claim was baseless. Android 10 has barely been out for a couple weeks. And to be honest, I have seen a lot of enthusiasm for it before and after. The truth is, that the whole "nobody cares" approach is used to cause a stir that the OP or replier is setting up as a challenge... as if the DEVs are failing and they need to get their sh*t together. It is a tired tactic that I am sick of seeing. It is subtle trolling. Even if he is the exception to the rule, I see this approach used too often and I think it does more harm than good to the userbase who counts on these DEVs (who by the way, don't get paid for their hard work).
Spot on brother, thank you. I have been around since the inception of Android and have been developing since day one. I have seen what great dev enthusiasm looks like and have seen devices get lost even though they are great devices. The Pixel 3a is a great device and everyone here is right it doesnt need that much in the way of custom roms. My hope is that it wont get lost esp when the Pixel 4 comes out. Not gonna take the bait on the haters who try to pick apart everything people say and turn it into something bad. This is a great community of Android enthusiasts helping other Android enthusiasts.
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I assume it was just an assessment and he wasn't trying to troll or anything, just saying the community around Android 10 isn't very enthousiast. No value judgment.
II'd like to get rid of google in the long run (except for the photo app hehe)
You can toggle the battery icon inside the power settings
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It is nice that you are extending a lot of latitude in lending the benefit of the doubt on this. The fact of the matter is that his claim was baseless. Android 10 has barely been out for a couple weeks. And to be honest, I have seen a lot of enthusiasm for it before and after. The truth is, that the whole "nobody cares" approach is used to cause a stir that the OP or replier is setting up as a challenge... as if the DEVs are failing and they need to get their sh*t together. It is a tired tactic that I am sick of seeing. It is subtle trolling. Even if he is the exception to the rule, I see this approach used too often and I think it does more harm than good to the userbase who counts on these DEVs (who by the way, don't get paid for their hard work).
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You sound like you want an argument to be honest. Maybe head over to reddit.
I can say that I'm not wild about Q, and was perfectly happy on P, but 99% of the reason I bought this phone was for the DSDS support which as far as I can tell, is completely dependent on Q at this point in time (and I'm assuming always will be). I've also been using CM/LineageOS for years now, and that's typically the 3rd thing I do to a new phone when I get it, behind unlock BL/root. I will say I'm a bit disappointed that LOS official isn't yet available for the 3a, but on the other hand, I totally get it with Q being so fresh.
I'd love to be one of the guys that is helping out with the dev side, but I've had so many irons in the fire with other projects for so many years that I just don't have time to do Android stuff as well. But I will say that I HUGELY appreciative of all the work that the devs have done for the community, and I will gladly wait for them to work their magic, especially considering we could all be playing the jailbreak cat and mouse game along with "damn it! the phone just updated, and I can't roll back to the version the JB supports now!".
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Those are the best kind of arguments. Dishonest arguments suck.
Development will eventually happen for A10. After all, eventually all new phones will use it, or beyond. Anyone who complains about lack of development should learn how to do development and fix the issue themselves. Otherwise, you get what you pay for.
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I'm an early adopter of the N1. My G1 will now only have wifi connectivity and I am wondering if there are any roms that are optimized for non-phone use. I think the desire for that kind of optimization will only grow as people start replacing their first loves. I might be completely off-base, I have been up for a couple days. I'm not even sure what I want when I say optimization. But I didn't know what I wanted from custom roms when I got my first G1 and now I can't wait until Cyanogen drops his first full rom for the N1.
I see where you are comming from.. as I LOVE my G1 and at the same time lusting for the N1. I would like to have another use for the G1, something like a media center remote.. or anything.
I think this is a good idea and look forward to some of the dev responses.
You dont need a special rom for it without service. If you dont have service then phone and the like just wont work. Uninstall what you dont want. But there arent going to be any devs making roms just for g1 without service, it is a complete waste of time. There wouldnt be anything different, minus no phone.
i dont really see the point of that tbh - you can change the call button to open something else for example
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garok89 said:
i dont really see the point of that tbh - you can change the call button to open something else for example
furthermore - wrong section
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lol.. OMG dude your sig is so right. I used to love helping people with anythign electronicall or software related... Since I joined here I realized, noone wants help... they want someone to hold their hand and do it for them. Bunch of ungreatfull spoiled brats.
Sorry, but this will get moved or deleted anyway lol
thanks dude
if you like that then you will love my autoreply for emails to [email protected]
email me there and you will see it (yes im the idiot who decided to help people who are apparently idiots coz most ask the same bloody questions that have been answered in a million threads before)
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thanks dude
if you like that then you will love my autoreply for emails to [email protected]
email me there and you will see it (yes im the idiot who decided to help people who are apparently idiots coz most ask the same bloody questions that have been answered in a million threads before)
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Classic! I love the auto-response...
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But there arent going to be any devs making roms just for g1 without service, it is a complete waste of time. There wouldnt be anything different, minus no phone.
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If the device no longer needs to maintain the functionality of a phone, the door is even wider open. It could, for example, be a rom with debian cooked in, or it could be something like no6969el described.
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Really? This is not the place to discuss a certain type of rom?
I think the both of you are too closed minded.
you are asking a question, not contributing to the good of the android community
they answer is simple - yes...but pointless
i am far from close minded - i am always up for expanding the capabilities of my phone....not detracting from them like this idea
you can use the phone as a media centre remote with the aid of a simple app on the market
you can disable mobile data and use only wifi
you can reprogram the call button to do whatever you want
you can install debian/ubuntu rather easily and use it with vncviewer
all these things can already be done using stock android - nevermind having to modify it
Nothing I have said or asked has detracted from android. Asking questions has its place in development, it causes thinking. Re-purposing old gen hardware happens, sometimes with fantastic results. First generation android devices, like the G1, have many possibilities other than telephony.
I am wondering if there are any roms that are optimized for non-phone use.
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i do believe that is asking a general question
anyway, i am not here to argue... i just feel that the original question belonged in the QnA section
I've had my phone 2 weeks and run out of things to do to it. Where's the roms? froyo where are you ?
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Well I can't wait for froyo + full file system lag fix
If you're not satisfied with the current rate of development, feel free to put together your own rom or even contribute to current development. The phone is what, two, three months old? Some phones didn't even have root methods for that long. If you wanted an att device that had a background of strong community hacking, should have gone with an htc device. The method of building roms on this phone is massively different and requires time to get everything sorted. And I'm willing to believe a lot of devs are waiting fur for the 2.2 source
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Lighten up francis. Did I complain about Devs? NO. Panties in a wad factor is really high around here.
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Lighten up francis. Did I complain about Devs? NO. Panties in a wad factor is really high around here.
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You're saying you're impatient for new roms, implying you are not satisfied with your current options. There are several people doing fantastic work on our phones and you're belittling their work. Even jokingly.
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You're saying you're impatient for new roms, implying you are not satisfied with your current options. There are several people doing fantastic work on our phones and you're belittling their work. Even jokingly.
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I think you are taking this entire thread the wrong way.
I think the OP is trying to say that he has done all he can, where is something new? More things to play with.
Nowhere did he belittle or offend anyone. Nor was anything implied.
I have had my phone for 7 weeks - I want to see even more new ROMs -but in no way am I saying anything about anyone. I can't wait for the first Cyanogenmod either - I am impatient, just like I was when waiting for the Captivate launch day.
+10 on the "lighten up Francis"
Looks to me like you are a good candidate to get in the kitchen and start cooking. That way you don't have to wait around for the roms and we can all play.
I don't think it's a matter of lightening up, I agree the op surely said "where are the roms?" That could have ben interpreted more than one way, which it was. Coming from the op of the forum nazi thread, sounds like you have plenty of time to start cooking and stop whining
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I've had my phone 2 weeks and run out of things to do to it. Where's the roms? froyo where are you ?
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I think you are taking this entire thread the wrong way.
I think the OP is trying to say that he has done all he can, where is something new? More things to play with.
Nowhere did he belittle or offend anyone. Nor was anything implied.
I have had my phone for 7 weeks - I want to see even more new ROMs -but in no way am I saying anything about anyone. I can't wait for the first Cyanogenmod either - I am impatient, just like I was when waiting for the Captivate launch day.
+10 on the "lighten up Francis"
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Thanks.
Make a lighthearted post and get your throat jumped down. I thought Dealdatabase.com was elitist. This place is much worse it seems.
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Thanks.
Make a lighthearted post and get your throat jumped down. I thought Dealdatabase.com was elitist. This place is much worse it seems.
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Hey gunny, I know how you feel. I too am a bit bored. The rom development is great so far but that's starting to reach it's limit with what devs can do while we wait for froyo. I would love something new to play with. Maybe flash or some awesome game to come along that really pushes this device. Gps fix from sammysung would be nice. I could drive around using that to kill some boredom.
Anyway, props to the devs. Thank god we have some good ones. I would have been bored weeks ago without and with a laggy phone on top of that.
I understand both sides but unfortunately unless you know how to dev we all must be patient. These guys have done very good work and so far it is right on par with the Vibrant, and we all know T-mobile has many more dev's to work on ROMS. With more time will come better products, and all Galaxy S phones will be waiting for a while for 2.2. If Cyanogen comes out soon it shouldn't be hard for Eugene or someone to make a port of it, even if Eugene does not own a Captivate.
There's no need to fight guys, in all seriousness we have the best touch-screen phone on the whole market!
Gorgeous screen, specs, and soon to be a great international community of devs with the whole family of galaxy s line sharing ideas and accelerating the growth of development at a great pace.
Not to mention the soon to be implemented froyo that will not only introduce optimizations and flash, but also allow for a greater use of the phone's potential- spec wise.
Take into consideration the further development after froyo + full lag fix + a COMMUNITY effort of collaboration and I see a really bright future ahead of us.
Personally I LOVE my phone, it does everything I want it to do (I multi-task like a beast!!) BEAUTIFUL camera software.. I painlessly take panoramic shots! What more can you ask for?
Yes some high quality games compared to that of the iphone would be great, but the anti-piracy measures are not on par with the iphone at the moment, so we'll have to wait a little for the big-name app/game developers to step in.
Kaik541 our kyke541 or whatever, u need to chill the f*** out dude. Why do you have to be such a ****? This is the internet!!! If you talked to me like that face to face I'd make you eat your words. Why are you so hostile, do you think your elite because you know a bit about phones? God, this is some peoples hobby for crying out loud. Be easy on them. Every post I've seen from you recently has some attitude with it. I hope your just having a bad week or something... Take a chill pill and calm down. We all have something in common here, you aren't any better than the rest of us.
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This thread sucks.
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+1
I for one am enjoying the calm before the storm. That is, before froyo and CM6.1 are released, and all the subsequent hacking that will go with it.
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Kaik541 our kyke541 or whatever, u need to chill the f*** out dude. Why do you have to be such a ****? This is the internet!!! If you talked to me like that face to face I'd make you eat your words. Why are you so hostile, do you think your elite because you know a bit about phones? God, this is some peoples hobby for crying out loud. Be easy on them. Every post I've seen from you recently has some attitude with it. I hope your just having a bad week or something... Take a chill pill and calm down. We all have something in common here, you aren't any better than the rest of us.
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I don't know what you mean by "all of my posts recently have had attitude." I generally answer any questions asked and follow it up with any advice I can offer. threads like this where, even unintentionally, the OP is kind of being dismissive toward the excellent work Unhelpful, DG, eugene (and a slew of others who I have forgotten to name).
it'd be fine if he was just opening a thread to say "I'm excited for something new! can't wait for froyo! woo!" it's that the attitude of this is "I'm bored with all the work everyone else has done." especially when it's someone who doesn't contribute to development (not counting donations, I have no idea if he has donated) himself. I just want people to be grateful for what they have right now... there's no need a open a thread saying "I want more but I want others to do the work"
Dude. Quit reading into stuff that isn't there. As for donated monies, I have indeed done so in the past. Lots. I HAVE NOT (REPEATING AGAIN) disparaged anyone or their work in my thread or any post I have ever made hear on XDA (feel free to search) If I am complaining about anything it's samsung, And YOU at the moment.
I'll say again then I'm done in this thread. Lighten up Francis.
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I don't know what you mean by "all of my posts recently have had attitude." I generally answer any questions asked and follow it up with any advice I can offer. threads like this where, even unintentionally, the OP is kind of being dismissive toward the excellent work Unhelpful, DG, eugene (and a slew of others who I have forgotten to name).
it'd be fine if he was just opening a thread to say "I'm excited for something new! can't wait for froyo! woo!" it's that the attitude of this is "I'm bored with all the work everyone else has done." especially when it's someone who doesn't contribute to development (not counting donations, I have no idea if he has donated) himself. I just want people to be grateful for what they have right now... there's no need a open a thread saying "I want more but I want others to do the work"
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Everyone take 5 deep breaths......
Better now?
And Kaik, I am NOT directing this at you personally, just used your quote. This is meant as a general comment not directed at any specific person....
Ok, I clicked on this thread because I could have written it myself, as it was intended. Which was obviously "Ok, I tried all the mods and now I want to try a new one or an update of 1 I already have."
For instance, as you can see from my signature, I run sre123. Last night, Designgears posted that 123a would be posted that night. I thought nothing of saying "ooo, can't wait, please hurry!!!" because DG knows how I meant it (I hope).
I have only seen a couple of REAL jerk posts, and those were like "hey thanks, your mod/rom broke my phone" idiots. Read the OP's and mod and your own risk, fools!
I have NEVER programmed. I understand what gets done here, having been a pc tech, but I can ONLY help by installing and testing and reporting results. This device and this forum has inspired me to try to learn what the guys like Cyanogen, Designgears, Eugene etc do. But until I learn, I will eagerly await new stuff to play with, much like the OP of this thread.
Sorry to type so long a note, but the ONLY thing that can ruin this forum is nazi's. I live in S Florida, got enough condo and homeowner association nazi's to deal with !!! =)
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..., and we all know T-mobile has many more dev's to work on ROMS.....
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I wonder why that is. Dosn't seem intuitive that would be the case. TM is a much smaller carrier, with much less coverage. I can't imagine (of course maybe I'm short on imagination) that there are more people on the TM version than the Captivate.
I too am impatient. But the impatience is for the GPS Fix.
Gunny...I'm with you. Seems many people just try to take everything the wrong way. Of course, the fact is, writing things and having them read, the reader doesn't know what your mood is, and it is a fact that if it can be taken wrong, it will be by some.
If I had the time to invest, I'd get into the ROMs. In fact I started to get into DEV. Downloaded the tools, did a couple weeks playing. But my programming has never expanded to Java, and the learning curve is too large, so I guess I won't. I'd enjoy it, but being at the computer all the time is not how I want to spend my time. I already spend a lot of time on it.
Regarding the DEVs, I appreciate them, and enjoy their work, and contribute occasionally to those I tend to utilize and keep using. But that doesn't diminish my right to be impatient. All customers are, no?
I want the GPS fix. All Galaxy S phones come with a nonfunctioning GPS. Froyo will be great to have also but they need hurry up with the GPS. The Droid X and all Motorola Android phones have an awesome GPS out of the box. I'm hoping Samsung gets it together otherwise they're not worth buying if it lacks a feature that most phones nowadays have. This problem from Samsung shows they rush things out to fast and then once they're out they fail to repair phones currently released.
I'll be eating my words if an update gets released within a week though.
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I wonder why that is. Dosn't seem intuitive that would be the case. TM is a much smaller carrier, with much less coverage. I can't imagine (of course maybe I'm short on imagination) that there are more people on the TM version than the Captivate.
I too am impatient. But the impatience is for the GPS Fix.
Gunny...I'm with you. Seems many people just try to take everything the wrong way. Of course, the fact is, writing things and having them read, the reader doesn't know what your mood is, and it is a fact that if it can be taken wrong, it will be by some.
If I had the time to invest, I'd get into the ROMs. In fact I started to get into DEV. Downloaded the tools, did a couple weeks playing. But my programming has never expanded to Java, and the learning curve is too large, so I guess I won't. I'd enjoy it, but being at the computer all the time is not how I want to spend my time. I already spend a lot of time on it.
Regarding the DEVs, I appreciate them, and enjoy their work, and contribute occasionally to those I tend to utilize and keep using. But that doesn't diminish my right to be impatient. All customers are, no?
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From what I have read about Dev's and Tmobile is mainly because Tmob was the first to have Android. Lots of them are familiar from being already on Tmob. But that is just what I have read, does not necessarily make it correct. The dev's for the Captivate are doing a phenomenal job getting us great products.
Highlighted portion: Joking aside since I know you are, if people are impatient they really should start learning how to do this stuff. The intent of the thread missed the mark based on how it was written. We all want more ROM's or theme's or launchers etc...and they are coming but nobody has any say to be impatient when the majority of these dev's do these on a donation basis. How bad would it suck when people continue to feel impatient and the dev's decide to not dev anymore?
so im about to do it. been wanting a tablet for some time and as nice as the xoom looks for 1/2 the price this make sense.
can a newbie root? i dont know the first thing about programming. ive searched the forums, and i see roms, and all these things i dont even know what they are. TNT programs, which sound not so newb friendly lol....and i want to know if there is a basic root that i may be able to follow. root for dummies is what im looking for.
and also, if i screw this up can i revert back to the original way this thing was?
sorta nervous to order and not use it to the fullest potential but seems like without rooting its not worth a crap.
i know probably asked 100 times, but ive searched and just cant find basic rooting 101 concepts. read the faqs - nothing so straight forward that i found.
thanks in advance. if i find the support i need here which seems likely im going to order the viewsonic shortly
First, welcome!
And then...
Start here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865245
This was the post that helped me the most. Have you rooted and installed new ROMs on Android devices before? It's not difficult, but does require that every last instruction is read. Twice. And look at posts about people "bricking" their tablets to see what they might have done wrong, or what they had to do to fix their problems. Don't worry about rooting; I've rooted a MyTouch 3g, a TMobile Vibrant and this tablet and it was the easiest by far. I'd like to say that the stock software sucks, but I can't. I purchased this tablet because I knew I would be rooting and ROMing and only had about ten minutes in the store and ten minutes at home with the original software. It wasn't horrible, but I do know that Vegan 5.1 flies and is very stable.
READ READ READ and search your face off for your problems before posting. Many people frown on oft asked questions here. I see a lot of people writing about how easy it is to search to get your answer, but I'm not a fan of the XDA search function for many reasons. So, Google is your friend. When searching Google, be sure to state your issue clearly and concisely, and in as few words as possible. Oh, but do include "XDA" in your search, or "site:forum.xda-developers.com" if you want to only search the XDA Developers forum.
Happy modding!
(1) We don't mind newbies, although it's nice if they actually respect the hard work of the people here by pressing the shift button to capitalize where appropriate. It would also be appreciated if they don't use run-on sentences.
(2) We highly recommend against modding for people like you. Just turn it on, update what viewsonic has for you, and everything will run just fine. We recommend you play with the gtab for a while before taking the plunge.
(3) You don't need to know programming to root. This thread will give you step by step instructions on how to do the essential things of modding. These instructions are so easy even a cave man could do it.
(4) That said, again, their stock rom + update should be good enough for someone like you. I have 2 gtabs. I've modded one and kept the other one as is. Trust me, it's more than sufficient for your needs.
thank u!!! im going to review that. now thats a detailed step by step which couldnt be answered easily but somehow seems doable for a newbie thanks. brings me closer to ordering.
I somehow doubt you read everything I said.
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I somehow doubt you read everything I said.
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Don't be condescending. Were you born knowing how to root and mod a G Tab? Let people ask questions, and if you don't want to answer then don't.
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Don't be condescending. Were you born knowing how to root and mod a G Tab? Let people ask questions, and if you don't want to answer then don't.
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I was referring to the part where he refuses to use the shift key. It's a pet peeve of mine. To me, it's a sign of respect to talk properly and write properly.
goodintentions - I was thanking adampdx but appreciate your input as well. I read his reply and his link provided and at first glance it seemed helpful. With that said, I also appreciate you letting me know the stock VS GT is pretty good and perhaps I will leave it as is when I get it. People make it out to be like this thing is so unsable out of the box, which apparently isnt the case. I just want to be able to get to the market and download a few apps I like using on my droid pro phone, thats all. Additionally I will use capitals and try watching the run on sentences. I was just excited to post and get involved.
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I was referring to the part where he refuses to use the shift key. It's a pet peeve of mine. To me, it's a sign of respect to talk properly and write properly.
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I think your whole thing is condescending, including that rant you posted in the General section about the "wooters". If you wanted to be helpful you could do a write up and review about the stock ROM and make suggestions of what to do to make it better. This singling out of a group of people is rude and dangerous. You create an environment that is hostile and discourages fresh ideas. There are always kinder words to use and gentler ways to guide people.
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I was referring to the part where he refuses to use the shift key. It's a pet peeve of mine. To me, it's a sign of respect to talk properly and write properly.
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Well, better to not use it at all than TO USE IT EVERYWHERE. Arrghgh stop shouting!!!
(btw, trying to defuse the situation with a very bad attempt at a joke)
roebeet said:
Well, better to not use it at all than TO USE IT EVERYWHERE. Arrghgh stop shouting!!!
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Thanks for a little comic relief.
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I think your whole thing is condescending, including that rant you posted in the General section about the "wooters". If you wanted to be helpful you could do a write up and review about the stock ROM and make suggestions of what to do to make it better. This singling out of a group of people is rude and dangerous. You create an environment that is hostile and discourages fresh ideas. There are always kinder words to use and gentler ways to guide people.
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Not to mention there be members who may not use English as a primary language and therefore may not be familiar with all of its intricacies. Respect begets respect. You get more when you offer more.
Well, here is my thought on why people are giving it such bad reviews.
(1) They compared it to the ipad right out of the box. Yes, the stock UI isn't the greatest thing, but it's usable. And after the update, it should work just fine.
(2) People were expecting an ipad when they bought this device. This is why I've been repeating over and over that this ain't no ipad.
(3) People have money coming out of their ears, so they want the bests and greatests. The slightest disadvantage and they will make it sound like the tablet exploded or something.
(4) Which brings me to my next point. People like to exaggerate.
I've always been a simple person. I like to work with what I have. I also hate Apple products with a passion. I only own one Apple product. I got my ipod (30 gig one) as a gift years ago. I've been thinking for a while to look for something that is light weight so I could drag it along for work and other activities. My laptop seems like it weighs a ton some time. That said, after I've done the appropriate moddings and installed the apps I wanted, the viewsonic gtab seems like a dream come true for me. It works incredibly fast. I didn't buy this thing to watch videos and listen to music. I have my tv and ipod for that. That said, I really think viewsonic is sitting on top of a goldmine with this device. I don't know why they haven't done more to publicize it.
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Not to mention there be members who may not use English as a primary language and therefore may not be familiar with all of its intricacies. Respect begets respect. You get more when you offer more.
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Oh, please, I can tell the difference between a non-engrish speaker and someone who's just lazy. I'm a non-native english speaker. In another thread, I mentioned that I was born in a house with a dirt floor and grew up with a 4 inch black and white tv. I wasn't kidding.
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I think your whole thing is condescending, including that rant you posted in the General section about the "wooters". If you wanted to be helpful you could do a write up and review about the stock ROM and make suggestions of what to do to make it better. This singling out of a group of people is rude and dangerous. You create an environment that is hostile and discourages fresh ideas. There are always kinder words to use and gentler ways to guide people.
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Well, I apologize if what I said offended some people. But what I stated was a fact. Because of all the exaggerated reviews of how god-aweful the stock UI and screen are, average people get the wrong idea. They feel that they have to mod the device the moment they get their hands on it.
All I'm suggesting people do is give the updated stock rom a chance. Give it a few days before they decide to take the plunge. There's really no prettier way to say it.
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Oh, please, I can tell the difference between a non-engrish speaker...
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There it is, the racist card. I was wondering when that one would come out.
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There it is, the racist card. I was wondering when that one would come out.
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Good job for picking that up, considering I was born and grew up in eastern Asia... nice going with the nitpick.
You don't have to be white to be racist or self-hating.
Ah, all of this being said, I do think this whole thing is funny and a giant waste of time. I've also been noticing that the forums seem sluggish, and I'm getting strange messages from the server from time to time about not being able to load forum pages. I think all of our babble is bogging down the servers. And with the impending onslaught of wooters, we should probably knock it off.
goodintentions, your making the xda forums look bad.
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You don't have to be white to be racist or self-hating.
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Wait, hang on. So, joking is racist? You mean you can't tell the difference between a joke and a racist comment? Is this, like, the twilight zone where noone has any common sense at all?
Look, I'm not asking for perfect composition to be published in academia here. but towrite somthin without regard to how it loks to the people your asking for help looks like you dont care for their eeffort s and your just passing buy. its also had to understand runon sentences and... suc
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You don't have to be white to be racist or self-hating.
Ah, all of this being said, I do think this whole thing is funny and a giant waste of time. I've also been noticing that the forums seem sluggish, and I'm getting strange messages from the server from time to time about not being able to load forum pages. I think all of our babble is bogging down the servers. And with the impending onslaught of wooters, we should probably knock it off.
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hahaha I was thinking the same thing. Tomorrow's XDA headline --- "Wooters bring down XDA".
I need to take my Woot-Off lights out soon, perhaps?
According to Huawei, the Honor 8, Honor 6X, Honor 5C, and Huawei P9 will get EMUI 5.1 update by May end this year. See full story here ?? http://huaweiadvices.com/huawei-emui-5-1-update-eligible-devices-release-date/
I doubt it will roll at the end of this month. Everyday Im checking Early access in HiCare, and there where no any beta test available, not even mentions about it.
There is no way that Huawei would just like that publish next big update without proper test, like we had with 5.0
True that Huawei is not best at rolling updates, but still when you compare it to ther OEMs its no difference at all, and all other companies have test before publishing major updates, and because they are region dependent, we should saw at least few roms based on 5.1 roam around forum from Asia or Europe.
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I doubt it will roll at the end of this month. Everyday Im checking Early access in HiCare, and there where no any beta test available, not even mentions about it.
There is no way that Huawei would just like that publish next big update without proper test, like we had with 5.0
True that Huawei is not best at rolling updates, but still when you compare it to ther OEMs its no difference at all, and all other companies have test before publishing major updates, and because they are region dependent, we should saw at least few roms based on 5.1 roam around forum from Asia or Europe.
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Well this news is from the Official Huawei site so we should be expecting these roll outs as scheduled. May be not OTA as it will have delays but on the Firmware Finder App.
I guess nothing we can do but wait for it to come. Hopefully this news is legit...
Why test, if base is still 7.0.
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Why test, if base is still 7.0.
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Dont get me wrong but this is some retarded reasoning you have here....
Why test at all if its still Android? Why test if its still a phone? Why test if most of people buy new phone after 2years? Why test if 90% of people that use android, dont even know what screen resolution their phone have?
maybe because EMUI 5.1 have few new features that affect user experience? Maybe because they fix/make new bugs when implementing those features?
Jesus Christ its like explaining that water is wet, sun is shining and wind is blowing...
@Akinaro, let me say this.
They have P10 to test all things and just backport to P9, so they tested it since last november. If we clearly look, they only changed code of 5.0 and added the features to it. Its not a major update from google, just one from huaweis side, that only changed their own code.
Bugs can be everywhere, look on latest B383 and B386. We can also think, if they allready testing some code in this builds.
The EVA-L19C185B387 got allready something of that, a new kernel build 5.0.0.3, as SP1 marked, so they doing and mostly ditched to release official builds on 5.0 to work on 5.1.
You just prove my point....
they only changed code of 5.0 and added the features to it
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You just said what I said: they added features that need to be tested, because they changed code of 5.0...
And no one will more than few brain cells would test new ROM on never devices and then backport it straight to older model... you realize how it sound?
Its not a major update from google, just one from huaweis side, that only changed their own code.
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What the point? Just because it was not google update it doesnt require testing? Seriously?
And even if they ditched 5.0 and jumped to 5.1 it doesnt change anything, if you, as you self mentioned, changed code and added new features that really can affect user experience(for example new memory management ) It doesnt need proper testing like any other update?
My point is still valid: saying that new update doesnt need testing is just retarded.
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You just prove my point....
You just said what I said: they added features that need to be tested, because they changed code of 5.0...
And no one will more than few brain cells would test new ROM on never devices and then backport it straight to older model... you realize how it sound?
What the point? Just because it was not google update it doesnt require testing? Seriously?
And even if they ditched 5.0 and jumped to 5.1 it doesnt change anything, if you, as you self mentioned, changed code and added new features that really can affect user experience(for example new memory management ) It doesnt need proper testing like any other update?
My point is still valid: saying that new update doesnt need testing is just retarded.
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What is the point of this discussion?
that this update would need beta testing just like any other rom, and overall is rather not possible that Huawei would release globally that update for P9 before end of this month.
On the side not part of this discussion what about seriously useless reasoning of dkionline that say "just because its based on android 7 i doesnt need testing".
Such thinking need to be pointed out as stupid, if someone like it or not.
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that this update would need beta testing just like any other rom, and overall is rather not possible that Huawei would release globally that update for P9 before end of this month.
On the side not part of this discussion what about seriously useless reasoning of dkionline that say "just because its based on android 7 i doesnt need testing".
Such thinking need to be pointed out as stupid, if someone like it or not.
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Point out what you want bro but respect is not something you have
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Point out what you want bro but respect is not something you have
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I dont give a flying pig about respect, you can throw that like "forum thanks" right and left.
If I see something stupid or something that is not true I will point it out, and I dont care if someone like my opinion or not.
If anyone is one of those snowflake that roam around internet crying about everything and think that we should say only good thing about him, I have bad news for you, because world doesnt work like that, and you should deal with it, that you are not omniscient and everyone will like what you think.
I prefer facts than some internet pseudo respect. And if we fallow facts and general reasoning, you cant say anything wrong about what I was talking about. Because show me one think that I said wrong?
Its not my fault that some people have such problems with writing full sentence with proper reasoning behind their opinion.
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I dont give a flying pig about respect, you can throw that like "forum thanks" right and left.
If I see something stupid or something that is not true I will point it out, and I dont care if someone like my opinion or not.
If anyone is one of those snowflake that roam around internet crying about everything and think that we should say only good thing about him, I have bad news for you, because world doesnt work like that, and you should deal with it, that you are not omniscient and everyone will like what you think.
I prefer facts than some internet pseudo respect. And if we fallow facts and general reasoning, you cant say anything wrong about what I was talking about. Because show me one think that I said wrong?
Its not my fault that some people have such problems with writing full sentence with proper reasoning behind their opinion.
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Pfff are you not getting tired of yourself? If you dont even give a flying pig about respect never seen a flying pig but yeah anyways... Then what kind of parents do you have? Some parents that havn't learned you anything you prefer facts NO you prefer discussion wich lead to nowhere. Your not a big boy on the internet and not in real life show respect otherwise get outta here!! Enough said!
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Pfff are you not getting tired of yourself? If you dont even give a flying pig about respect never seen a flying pig but yeah anyways... Then what kind of parents do you have? Some parents that havn't learned you anything you prefer facts NO you prefer discussion wich lead to nowhere. Your not a big boy on the internet and not in real life show respect otherwise get outta here!! Enough said!
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Nope, Im not tired of my self. And my parents taught me to not mention "parents" in conversation like some sort of kid in school that dont have anything important to say, so he say something about parents or one of many stupid "mother" joke.... just like you did....
And yes, I really like discussion!
Discussion actually create our world, without it we would have nothing. Even from most trivial or offensive discussions you can get amazing thing that change to amazing inventions or ideas. Whole point of discussion is two people where one say "yes" and other say "no" and after some time they all agree about something.... not mention their own parents, its really childish.
Also its worth mention that my actual discussion ended after only two post... but then YOU showed up and had to put your few cents inside... why? maybe you could kindly say us why you had to join it if everything was said already?
Because I have tip for you: if you dont like someone opinion... you dont pay attention to it... you just move on. No one force you to push yourself between two other people discussion and say something that just make more chaos.
Also small note: if you really are so "pro respect" you would end that discussion right now, and we all stop here, and move to actual topic, if you want to add something else about it, or about my parents, feel free to use Personal Messages, I will be happy to replay to it
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Nope, Im not tired of my self. And my parents taught me to not mention "parents" in conversation like some sort of kid in school that dont have anything important to say, so he say something about parents or one of many stupid "mother" joke.... just like you did....
And yes, I really like discussion!
Discussion actually create our world, without it we would have nothing. Even from most trivial or offensive discussions you can get amazing thing that change to amazing inventions or ideas. Whole point of discussion is two people where one say "yes" and other say "no" and after some time they all agree about something.... not mention their own parents, its really childish.
Also its worth mention that my actual discussion ended after only two post... but then YOU showed up and had to put your few cents inside... why? maybe you could kindly say us why you had to join it if everything was said already?
Because I have tip for you: if you dont like someone opinion... you dont pay attention to it... you just move on. No one force you to push yourself between two other people discussion and say something that just make more chaos.
Also small note: if you really are so "pro respect" you would end that discussion right now, and we all stop here, and move to actual topic, if you want to add something else about it, or about my parents, feel free to use Personal Messages, I will be happy to replay to it
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Ok
lol,
They will test it on internal stage in china like they do now on M9. Theres allready much devices with emui 5.1, so their system itself working propably, only the kernel is the reason, nothing more or less.
Mate, you get any betatest from emui4 to 4.1 or 4.1 to 4.1.1 or anything else? No, they release it after its done.
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lol,
They will test it on internal stage in china like they do now on M9. Theres allready much devices with emui 5.1, so their system itself working propably, only the kernel is the reason, nothing more or less.
Mate, you get any betatest from emui4 to 4.1 or 4.1 to 4.1.1 or anything else? No, they release it after its done.
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Thanks you know what you are saying he clearly doesn't
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Thanks you know what you are saying he clearly doesn't
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I think I'll believe the guy who builds custom ROMs for this phone over the other guy lol.
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According to Huawei, the Honor 8, Honor 6X, Honor 5C, and Huawei P9 will get EMUI 5.1 update by May end this year.
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It's June 13th and still nothing.
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It's June 13th and still nothing.
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Nothing new!!!! Phone vendors lie so much!
Hey guys,
Just curious as this is the first time I've been around for a new device release and I'm used to getting a device long after developers have had them for quite a while.
Not that I'm complaining - but is this the usual rate of development for a new device?
Really appreciate all the great work you guys do! If I can help with anything let me know
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Hey guys,
Just curious as this is the first time I've been around for a new device release and I'm used to getting a device long after developers have had them for quite a while.
Not that I'm complaining - but is this the usual rate of development for a new device?
Really appreciate all the great work you guys do! If I can help with anything let me know
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Was just mentioning this is Telegram. I am aware of 4 kernels and 1 ROM being developed (not all yet available). I think with A/B partitions it's taking a little longer for development to start as we don't have an official TWRP yet (and I mean this in comparison to OP5) but if you're looking for a device with good developers support, you won't go wrong with the OP6.
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it's barely been a full week since the first orders were delivered so come back in a month.
I would report your thread and have it locked before the lazy keyboard warrior nerds come around to argue with you. I tried to ask what stage of development we're in and of course it was immediately interpreted as demanding an exact timeline of when we'll have ROMs and crap. Had to report-to-lock my own thread because people were acting unbelievably childish. The funny thing is even the mod who responded to the report seemed to be sick of the users' crap on here.
I would say this isn't anything unusual given the challenges of developing for this specific device. Many phones go weeks or months before even getting root. OP is dev-friendly, of course, but the A/B partition issues and other things are slowing roll-out a bit.
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I would say this isn't anything unusual given the challenges of developing for this specific device. Many phones go weeks or months before even getting root. OP is dev-friendly, of course, but the A/B partition issues and other things are slowing roll-out a bit.
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Thanks being understanding
I'm definitely not demanding nor expecting - but am willing to help where I can.
Your post answers exactly all I wanted to know - just wanted the opinion of someone who has been around a few new device forums to see what is and isn't normal.
It looks to me (from your post) like development is moving along pretty nicely then considering how new the device is/new challenges involved.
Again really appreciate the non confrontational reply.
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Was just mentioning this is Telegram. I am aware of 4 kernels and 1 ROM being developed (not all yet available). I think with A/B partitions it's taking a little longer for development to start as we don't have an official TWRP yet (and I mean this in comparison to OP5) but if you're looking for a device with good developers support, you won't go wrong with the OP6.
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I missed your reply initially! Really informative as well thank you
What 4 kernels are those? I know of Chewie/CleanSlate and Franken kernel?
Also if you don't mind me asking what ROM do you know of?
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I would report your thread and have it locked before the lazy keyboard warrior nerds come around to argue with you. I tried to ask what stage of development we're in and of course it was immediately interpreted as demanding an exact timeline of when we'll have ROMs and crap. Had to report-to-lock my own thread because people were acting unbelievably childish. The funny thing is even the mod who responded to the report seemed to be sick of the users' crap on here.
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Interesting! I hope people can quite clearly see I'm not expecting nor am I entitled to anything.
Just trying to gauge something I have no experience of from other people who have more experience.
Last phone I had was a OnePlus One... I got it many months after release due to the whole invite only thing and development was already pretty insane by the time I got one in my hands
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Thanks being understanding
I'm definitely not demanding nor expecting - but am willing to help where I can.
Your post answers exactly all I wanted to know - just wanted the opinion of someone who has been around a few new device forums to see what is and isn't normal.
It looks to me (from your post) like development is moving along pretty nicely then considering how new the device is/new challenges involved.
Again really appreciate the non confrontational reply.
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People can be testy about these kinds of questions because they are sometimes asked in a much more disrespectful/entitled tone.
To be honest, I think development is moving along pretty well, and certainly faster than what I'm used to from HTC phones (which are a different dev situation).
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I missed your reply initially! Really informative as well thank you
What 4 kernels are those? I know of Chewie/CleanSlate and Franken kernel?
Also if you don't mind me asking what ROM do you know of?
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Those three plus Flar. I keep an eye on GitHub and can see that he has created a OP6 repo though it was empty last time I looked.
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