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Liquid remix vs havoc OS

This might be a bit of difficult question but which rom do you prefer between the two?
I used havoc in it's early stages and it was great and still seems super solid but I'm tempted to come off the Android P beta and move back to either Havoc or Liquid. I see they are both similar but at the same time pretty different. I would love to hear about your experiences and thoughts on both.
Thank you!

For me its havoc

for some reason after setting up and restarting both roms get stuck on starting android and they dont support the notch

Faaris Ansari said:
for some reason after setting up and restarting both roms get stuck on starting android and they dont support the notch
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I never had an issue installing but I thought havoc supported the notch. Thank you for the info!

Faaris Ansari said:
for some reason after setting up and restarting both roms get stuck on starting android and they dont support the notch
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This happens when your using the fingerprint unlock feature when your device is encrypted. If you have a decrypted device then you won't get that Android is starting message that never ends when using the fingerprint to unlock immediately after reboot. And if your encrypted still it's easy to fix if it's happening. Just lock your phone again then unlock with pin and you won't have that problem. But if your want to use that feature then you must be decrypted. And I have no problem with the notch at all. Havoc is better by far everything is working including oos cam. Liquid still has features that don't work and haven't worked since it started being built on op5 and 5t and they are still present on op6 and I've notified them of this and they still don't bother to fix it. And these exact same issues are also present in franken cause it's a copy of liquid. I feel these devs don't focus on making sure all the features in their roms actually work. But havoc is flawless right now unless your want to complain about the notch which I have no issues with since I set smallest width to where everything fits fine without the notch intruding and the pie version is already being started.

se7ensde said:
This happens when your using the fingerprint unlock feature when your device is encrypted. If you have a decrypted device then you won't get that Android is starting message that never ends when using the fingerprint to unlock immediately after reboot. And if your encrypted still it's easy to fix if it's happening. Just lock your phone again then unlock with pin and you won't have that problem. But if your want to use that feature then you must be decrypted. And I have no problem with the notch at all. Havoc is better by far everything is working including oos cam. Liquid still has features that don't work and haven't worked since it started being built on op5 and 5t and they are still present on op6 and I've notified them of this and they still don't bother to fix it. And these exact same issues are also present in franken cause it's a copy of liquid. I feel these devs don't focus on making sure all the features in their roms actually work. But havoc is flawless right now unless your want to complain about the notch which I have no issues with since I set smallest width to where everything fits fine without the notch intruding and the pie version is already being started.
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Well I'm on the open beta. Also does havoc pass safety net and does it have face unlock I didn't test fully when I had it

Havoc has more customizations but more bugs. Liquid has less bugs but slightly less customizations. Havoc is based off Lineage and Liquid is based off AOSP. I enjoy both but for me Liquid is the best. Battery life is about the same on both. The gestures work better on Liquid then they do on Havoc. I'm currently running Liquid and it passes safetynet.

Faaris Ansari said:
Well I'm on the open beta. Also does havoc pass safety net and does it have face unlock I didn't test fully when I had it
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yes and yes. Safety net failures aren't the roms fault that was magisk itself because the API was out of date but with magisk 17 that's all fixed.

ASOP or LOS. If you prefer the former, go with Liquid. If you prefer the latter (as I do), go with Havoc.
Another option if you want the extra features of these custom ROMs, but also really prefer ? to Oreo is the Havoc ? treble (GSI) build. Havoc ? is currently based off of AOSP and not LOS as Lineage 16/? source code is not yet available. I am hoping that Havoc ? will switch back to a LOS base once Lineage 16 comes out and the source tree is published.

BEST ROM?!

What is the best ROM that is free of bugs and can be used as daily driver ? (I haven't tried any ROM )

Bug free is a strong term.
We have a couple of good ROMs to be used as daily driver.
Lineage, Pixel Experience, ArrowOS, AOSIP.
And you can use treble ROMs like Havoc 2.0.
"Best rom" depends exclusively of your experience, so take a time to try each of them and then tell us how was it.
Btw I'm actually using ArrowOS. It's amazing.

Adriano-A3 said:
Bug free is a strong term.
We have a couple of good ROMs to be used as daily driver.
Lineage, Pixel Experience, ArrowOS, AOSIP.
And you can use treble ROMs like Havoc 2.0.
"Best rom" depends exclusively of your experience, so take a time to try each of them and then tell us how was it.
Btw I'm actually using ArrowOS. It's amazing.
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How does the speed and fluidity of custom roms compare to miui 10. I've been using miui and found it to be very smooth. I am worried custom roms would feel slower.

ahmadadam96 said:
How does the speed and fluidity of custom roms compare to miui 10. I've been using miui and found it to be very smooth. I am worried custom roms would feel slower.
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In my experience ROMs are just as smooth and snappy as MIUI10.
The biggest issue with them are bugs. Pretty much every Treble ROM I've used has had issues with the fingerprint sensor acting as a cursor and selecting theme when my finger presses it. I've tried AOISP and Liquid Remix, and on both I had an issue where the phone would lock itself every 5 or 10 minutes. Which made it made it super frustrating to watch videos.
I'm currently using ArrowOS and haven't noticed any issues yet, but I'm sure I'll find something. I'll probably end up going back to MIUI at some point. Things like slow motion video and scrolling screenshots aren't necessities, but they're nice to have.

Wow I actually didn't know miui supported long screenshots. Thanks for that! I heard treble roms tend to be buggy but last week an official pixel experience rom was released so I was considering running that. It's still on its first build but the second build should be released this month and should contain bug fixes that people reported. It's great to know that performance is still smooth.

russphil said:
I've used has had issues with the fingerprint sensor acting as a cursor and selecting theme when my finger presses it.
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I used Havoc 2.0 and never seen such issue. It's pretty weird.
russphil said:
I've tried AOISP and Liquid Remix, and on both I had an issue where the phone would lock itself every 5 or 10 minutes. Which made it made it super frustrating to watch videos.
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Never seen also something like that in AOSIP. I could notice this bug in Havoc 2.0 when Now Playing function wass enabled. And hell yeah it's a lot annoying.
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I'm currently using ArrowOS and haven't noticed any issues yet, but I'm sure I'll find something. I'll probably end up going back to MIUI at some point. Things like slow motion video and scrolling screenshots aren't necessities, but they're nice to have.
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I miss a lot scrolling screenshots. Slowmotion you can get using Manual Camera DSLR app. There is an option to choose recording speed (half-dotted circle with "play" icon inside it).

My two cents: keep original rom and flash custom kernel. You will increase smoothness and battery life.
R.

Xiaomi.EU compatibility in the United States

Is anyone using any version of Xiaomi.eu in the U.S.? I am on global stable 10.3.2.0 and want to try out Xiaomi.eu to try Android 10 and (hopefully) have working bluetooth codec support, but I'm a little nervous of trying out what is technically a China based ROM in the US when the global version works well. Does anyone have any experience with this? What version are you using?

Yes, it works very well, better than the AOSP roms. The Android 10 (weekly) rom has only one bug that I can find, when you boot (or reboot) the phone the microphone on calls doesn't work until you toggle between the speaker & earpiece and back. Once you've done that once it works fine until the next reboot.

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Yes, it works very well, better than the AOSP roms. The Android 10 (weekly) rom has only one bug that I can find, when you boot (or reboot) the phone the microphone on calls doesn't work until you toggle between the speaker & earpiece and back. Once you've done that once it works fine until the next reboot.
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Odd issue, but pretty insignificant. Thanks! I'm going to be switching from global to Xiaomi.eu (weekly) 9.12.12 tomorrow I'm pretty excited to try it out. Any advice for a first timer switching from global stable to xiaomi.eu weekly?

Rockmadeofrock said:
Odd issue, but pretty insignificant. Thanks! I'm going to be switching from global to Xiaomi.eu (weekly) 9.12.12 tomorrow I'm pretty excited to try it out. Any advice for a first timer switching from global stable to xiaomi.eu weekly?
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Yes, remove any security before starting, that way you should be able to avoid formatting /data/media if you run into difficulties. If you're on the Xiaomi stock rom though, you may have to format anyway. I did a Mi Mix 2S last week and it wouldn't boot until I formatted, which I assume means that stock must use a different FS. I also have problems restoring apps from Titanium, some won't restore for no apparent reason. I use Nova Launcher though, which makes it easy to restore them from the Play Store.

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Yes, remove any security before starting, that way you should be able to avoid formatting /data/media if you run into difficulties. If you're on the Xiaomi stock rom though, you may have to format anyway. I did a Mi Mix 2S last week and it wouldn't boot until I formatted, which I assume means that stock must use a different FS. I also have problems restoring apps from Titanium, some won't restore for no apparent reason. I use Nova Launcher though, which makes it easy to restore them from the Play Store.
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Thanks! I flashed it yesterday without issue and it's running great so far, no apparent issues. I formatted data just to be safe it wasn't very difficult to backup the stuff I needed.

Rockmadeofrock said:
Thanks! I flashed it yesterday without issue and it's running great so far, no apparent issues. I formatted data just to be safe it wasn't very difficult to backup the stuff I needed.
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Yeah, it's about the best Android experience I've had. I thought the AOSP roms were good on this hardware, but this is even better. It's the reason I bought a Mix 2S for my gf for xmas, since it's essentially a Mix 3 without the slider and an LCD screen (alas!). Makes technical support so much easier if she's running the same software.....

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Yeah, it's about the best Android experience I've had. I thought the AOSP roms were good on this hardware, but this is even better. It's the reason I bought a Mix 2S for my gf for xmas, since it's essentially a Mix 3 without the slider and an LCD screen (alas!). Makes technical support so much easier if she's running the same software.....
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Oh yeah I'm sure it is. I've been trying to decide what to update with recently because my bluetooth audio codecs weren't working and I'm sick of being stuck on SBC. I looked around at Evolution X, Resurrection Remix, and LineageOS but all them have some weird issues. I also have grown to really love MIUI. It gets a lot of hate but there are a lot of things I would miss if I switched to AOSP so I'm really happy MIUI 11 via Xiaomi.eu runs so well.

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Oh yeah I'm sure it is. I've been trying to decide what to update with recently because my bluetooth audio codecs weren't working and I'm sick of being stuck on SBC. I looked around at Evolution X, Resurrection Remix, and LineageOS but all them have some weird issues. I also have grown to really love MIUI. It gets a lot of hate but there are a lot of things I would miss if I switched to AOSP so I'm really happy MIUI 11 via Xiaomi.eu runs so well.
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Have you checked in Developer Options?? It has a choice of 8 codecs. I don't know how that affects what the application uses, but it might be worth trying it.

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Have you checked in Developer Options?? It has a choice of 8 codecs. I don't know how that affects what the application uses, but it might be worth trying it.
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Yeah I can see the different option in the Developer Options but when you select one it either doesn't change anything (when the headphones don't support it) or breaks the audio (happened when trying AAC which I know my headphones support, so something was wrong there). I have no way of testing anything other than SBC and AAC, but after flashing Xiaomi.eu MIUI 11.1 AAC is now working at least. So there was just some issue with MIUI 10.3.2.0 global stable

Are There Any Roms Demonstrably Better Than Oxygen OS?

So, I've been rooting phones off and on since the HTC Dream and with each and every phone there's been roms that were just substantially better than the stock OS. Even most recently with my S9, Samsung butchered the OS to the extent that rooting and flashing phones was pretty much necessary. With Oxygen OS being in place, I've attempted Lineage and as much as I appreciated the few offerings it did have that Oxygen OS didn't offer, it wasn't a hard decision to switch back. The most common reason I switch is usually battery life but Oxygen is even good for that. What are the selling points of your rom that makes it seem the better option than Oxygen OS?

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So, I've been rooting phones off and on since the HTC Dream and with each and every phone there's been roms that were just substantially better than the stock OS. Even most recently with my S9, Samsung butchered the OS to the extent that rooting and flashing phones was pretty much necessary. With Oxygen OS being in place, I've attempted Lineage and as much as I appreciated the few offerings it did have that Oxygen OS didn't offer, it wasn't a hard decision to switch back. The most common reason I switch is usually battery life but Oxygen is even good for that. What are the selling points of your rom that makes it seem the better option than Oxygen OS?
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As far as ROMS where everything is as good as OOS, no. Each custom ROM has certain things that aren't as good. For example most of them have sound that is lower and doesn't sound as good as OOS. OmniROM is the only ROM where they ported over the Atmos from OOS so the sound is the same but the Fingerprint reader doesn't work too well. Havoc has a bug where if you wanna use any gestures other than the stock ones there will be no back gesture as it gets totally disabled. Bliss has a bug where if you want to use Google Dialer and Contacts you'll get com.android.phone force closes. crDroid or anything based on Lineage has random freezes when watching videos. Most of these ROMS are one or two bug fixes away from being as good as OOS but they usually never get those bugs fixed, then a new version of Android comes out and the process starts all over again. If you want stability you're better off staying with OOS. The one or two ROMS that have appeared to be the most stable and didn't have any bugs were Paranoid Android and AOSPA but those are more vanilla and have little to no customization options. Once the standby battery drain on CarbonROM gets fixed that will be close, as the only thing left would be porting over the Atmos like Omni which seems to be the key to having the same level of sound as on OOS.

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As far as ROMS where everything is as good as OOS, no. Each custom ROM has certain things that aren't as good. For example most of them have sound that is lower and doesn't sound as good as OOS. OmniROM is the only ROM where they ported over the Atmos from OOS so the sound is the same but the Fingerprint reader doesn't work too well. Havoc has a bug where if you wanna use any gestures other than the stock ones there will be no back gesture as it gets totally disabled. Bliss has a bug where if you want to use Google Dialer and Contacts you'll get com.android.phone force closes. crDroid or anything based on Lineage has random freezes when watching videos. Most of these ROMS are one or two bug fixes away from being as good as OOS but they usually never get those bugs fixed, then a new version of Android comes out and the process starts all over again. If you want stability you're better off staying with OOS. The one or two ROMS that have appeared to be the most stable and didn't have any bugs were Paranoid Android and AOSPA but those are more vanilla and have little to no customization options. Once the standby battery drain on CarbonROM gets fixed that will be close, as the only thing left would be porting over the Atmos like Omni which seems to be the key to having the same level of sound as on OOS.
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I would like to clarify a few things.
We have Dolby Atmos module which can be used to increase the volume to oos level. Only downside s that the minimum volume is too high and hence you need to disable it. That is why custom roms don't implement the module.
As far as video freezing on cr or lineage based goes, well it is due to the latest security patch. The devs are looking into it but i think google will roll out a fix in may.
PA is extremely stable but offers lesser customization. So if you don't care for face-unlock, you can use treskmod based on PA. It is equally stable. But as face-unlock is closed source, there only a chance that face-unlock will ever come to treskmod. Otherwise everythink is like PA+pixel features.
Furthermore, evox is also a great rom which you can use. It doesn't have any of the above bugs. Another option is AOSiP
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Isadorian said:
So, I've been rooting phones off and on since the HTC Dream and with each and every phone there's been roms that were just substantially better than the stock OS. Even most recently with my S9, Samsung butchered the OS to the extent that rooting and flashing phones was pretty much necessary. With Oxygen OS being in place, I've attempted Lineage and as much as I appreciated the few offerings it did have that Oxygen OS didn't offer, it wasn't a hard decision to switch back. The most common reason I switch is usually battery life but Oxygen is even good for that. What are the selling points of your rom that makes it seem the better option than Oxygen OS?
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I am not a dev but use custom roms. The major advantage of a custom rom is customization over OOS. Also they at a faster rate and are closer to google implementation. The devs are also trying hard to make the rom perfect. If rooted, you can also use it to maximum. Also, there is a great chance that a feature you want will be implemented into the rom if you ask the dev.

Question Which is the best performance roms for OP 9?

I wonder what is the best room for performance in OP9 even optimization?

There is not a huge difference it's all personal preference.

Stock rom

Debloated OOS and some magisk mod tweaks.

I've tested custom rom my choice is Syberia

Stock or AOSPA imo

OOS

*Syberia is the most customisable and so far seems very snappy.
*Elytra OS The most aesthetic UI and fast kernel
These two ROMs are my choice for #bestROM.
*Pixel extended is the perfect Google experience
*CRDroid is also another one worth mentioning and the Dev is very friendly.
*Stag OS was the first 13 rom and is very stable also
*lineage OS is the most basic Custom rom and easy to flash.

Vmo x said:
*Syberia is the most customisable and so far seems very snappy.
*Elytra OS The most aesthetic UI and fast kernel
These two ROMs are my choice for #bestROM.
*Pixel extended is the perfect Google experience
*CRDroid is also another one worth mentioning and the Dev is very friendly.
*Stag OS was the first 13 rom and is very stable also
*lineage OS is the most basic Custom rom and easy to flash.
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thank you!

Vmo x said:
There is not a huge difference it's all personal preference.
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Exactly this. They're all pretty great.
For A12, any ROM with OOSCAM and a current security update is amazing.
For A13, ElytraOS is very impressive, and the maintainer is very active in what feedback is given. StagOS As well, but that maintainer is/was supporting A12 and 13 while ElytraOS came in on A13, so has just had more time to focus just on it. Both are great.
And now with Syberia (one of my favorite OP6 roms) on the scene, It seems you literally can't pick incorrectly, all are winners.
All my issues have always come from incorrect OOS update prior to flashing a ROM (see: PEBKAC), Android and/or its various changes itself effecting the Apps I use itself or an underlining bug that's from lineage (that all start with as a base, at least on every OP devices I've run with an android OS) that's out of the maintainers control.
For now, I'm back on Pixel Experience A12, but will return to A13 ROMs once it matures a little further and apps stabilize on it (preferably one with Google AI call screening enabled by default.)
I'd also take note of the few ROMs that offer vanilla builds that allow you to manage your own exposure to GApps, or none at all (ex: CRDroid)

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OOS
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OOS13 is so damn beautiful but hate the idea of trying to root, remove bloat/spyware, optimize it all while in Beta.
I need to try it at least once for a week or so.

nothing beats the stability of OOS.
i use some filming ang photography apps. i have tested these apps with most of the popular custom roms. the apps develop issues that do not happen in OOS.

jmadiaga said:
nothing beats the stability of OOS.
i use some filming ang photography apps. i have tested these apps with most of the popular custom roms. the apps develop issues that do not happen in OOS.
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im not saying you are wrong (im not you, im a nobody), but i would assume this is a place where the majority would probably disagree with that, lol.

applyscience said:
im not saying you are wrong (im not you, im a nobody), but i would assume this is a place where the majority would probably disagree with that, lol.
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ikr
but i can only spek fom my experience.