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Noob question sorry, is nexus s plain android or is there bloatware installed?

About to buy one and I just wanna know
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Pure vanilla Android.

There's a bunch of stuff preinstalled on it, but it's all Google stuff; I don't think there's any third-party apps.

It's not plain android, there's a bunch of Google bloatware.

JCopernicus said:
It's not plain android, there's a bunch of Google bloatware.
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I'm curious as to what you consider Google bloatware, because the Nexus S is about as plain as you can get. Most of the time bloatware is stuff added by OEMs, such as the preinstalled demo games on the MT4G. Mind elaborating?

I can't speak for JC, but in my mind, anything that comes preinstalled on a device which I neither want nor need is bloatware. This, of course, makes the entire concept subjective, but in general with things like Android, I think less is more, since you can download nearly all of these things from the Market anyway. The consumer-side justification of "bloatware" (revenue for the provider, of course, being the primary, producer-side justification) is to present the user with access to a service they might otherwise not know to look for. ("Oh, hey, my phone can play TV/can display YouTube/has internet radio/whatever!"). For most of us though, particularly anyone savvy enough to be on XDA in the first place, most of it ends up falling into one of three categories:
-Don't care about
-Use a different app for
-Would have downloaded if it wasn't included.
In any case, I've observed that what most people have the biggest issue with isn't that stuff may come preinstalled on their phone, it's that you can't get rid of it, and if you do, you may well open yourself to a world of trouble should you ever wish to install an OTA update.

I would consider it plain android, as the "bloatware" on it is really only google apps, which come with all android phones. It doesn't have bloatware from a third party though like some of the other android phones. Either way, bloatware can be removed off any rooted phone with titanium backup

zorak950 said:
I can't speak for JC, but in my mind, anything that comes preinstalled on a device which I neither want nor need is bloatware. This, of course, makes the entire concept subjective, but in general with things like Android, I think less is more, since you can download nearly all of these things from the Market anyway. The consumer-side justification of "bloatware" (revenue for the provider, of course, being the primary, producer-side justification) is to present the user with access to a service they might otherwise not know to look for. ("Oh, hey, my phone can play TV/can display YouTube/has internet radio/whatever!"). For most of us though, particularly anyone savvy enough to be on XDA in the first place, most of it ends up falling into one of three categories:
-Don't care about
-Use a different app for
-Would have downloaded if it wasn't included.
In any case, I've observed that what most people have the biggest issue with isn't that stuff may come preinstalled on their phone, it's that you can't get rid of it, and if you do, you may well open yourself to a world of trouble should you ever wish to install an OTA update.
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Fair enough points.
Unfortunately, we still run into that last issue even on the Nexus S. Folks were unable to update via the stock 2.3.1 OTA if they had modified system files, such replacing the stock Mms.apk or Gmail.apk with the black/custom ones from the Themes & Apps section or deleting any of their relevant .odexs. Even placing the missing files back on the system partition didn't seem to work, at least for me. It was a very curious update.

unremarked said:
Fair enough points.
Unfortunately, we still run into that last issue even on the Nexus S. Folks were unable to update via the stock 2.3.1 OTA if they had modified system files, such replacing the stock Mms.apk or Gmail.apk with the black/custom ones from the Themes & Apps section or deleting any of their relevant .odexs. Even placing the missing files back on the system partition didn't seem to work, at least for me. It was a very curious update.
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Yeah, I soft-bricked my Vibrant trying to grab T-Mobile's OTA after I took it upon myself to delete all the extraneous crapware that came with it. They can be very touchy indeed. It's a steep learning curve for newbies. x_x

Next question,how is t mobiles 4G .I live in knox tn. Anyone know?
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So it doesn't have the useless Amazon mp3 app anymore like the nexus one?

evilsock said:
Next question,how is t mobiles 4G .I live in knox tn. Anyone know?
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No HSPA+ (it's not 4G!) on the Nexus S. Don't ask me why, it boggles my mind too.
NexusDro said:
So it doesn't have the useless Amazon mp3 app anymore like the nexus one?
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No Amazon MP3 app installed. Just made me look at my app drawer to confirm, lol.

NexusDro said:
So it doesn't have the useless Amazon mp3 app anymore like the nexus one?
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Nope, they put google earth in its place.

There is also that office app that is NOT a google product...so yea, there is a bit of bloat, but pretty much it is vanilla.

ZeroSX said:
No HSPA+ (it's not 4G!) on the Nexus S. Don't ask me why, it boggles my mind too.
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True, but it does still support up to 7.2Mbps down which you'll only get in a t-mobile 4g area.
I was just in Orlando and i was getting around 5-6Mbps on my N1 and in a Nexus S i was testing at best buy and it was pretty damn fast. puts my DSL connection at home to shame.

mcosmi said:
There is also that office app that is NOT a google product...so yea, there is a bit of bloat, but pretty much it is vanilla.
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I don't think Google has an office app for Android. Every device has launched with some kind of partnered 3rd party, either ThinkFree, or Quickoffice. At least, I think those are the two they've used.
If they didn't, you wouldn't be able to read any kind of text document on your phone and that's just kind of a silly thing to not be able to do, imo.
EDIT: And on that note, Google should probably make a office app! lol

Who really cares whats installed or not, EVERYTHING can be uninstalled.

after using ThinkFREE for a while on the Galaxy S, i can say it's really good
way better than the Docs To Go and/or QuickOffice which i'm using on the XT720
but truth is... you don't need any of those with Google Office online, it's so much easier to keep things and work with documents using Google Office Online

Alternative to buying the pro version of TiBu

I love TiBu, but I'm a cheap guy. I like the fact that you can sync with Dropbox. So instead of buying the full version, I downloaded DropSpace (Free) and set it to automatically backup the folder of my choice (in this case the TitaniumBackup folder) at the same schedule as my TiBu. Problem solved!
P.S. I also use AppExtractor to restore the last state of any apps I had installed in NANDROID backups. My Titanium is set to back up new apps and newer versions, so it skips over new data in old programs. Doing things this way ensures that I have the most recent data without having to run Titanium AND create a NANDROID backup. Saves me time!
Anyone else have any other alternatives to Awesome but paid apps?
If this post gives you ideas, I wont mind a bit of thanks

damastah said:
Doing things this way ensures that I have the most recent data without having to run Titanium AND create a NANDROID backup. Saves me time!
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Wait till you have to restore a lot of apps. This method won't save you a single second! It's well worth paying for Titanium Backup for many other reasons but being able to just click restore once and leave it to it is soooooo much better!

MIUI=Problem solved. If you can root, you can flash a Rom, and MIUI has batch backup and restore built-in, including contacts which I don't believe TiBu does. I think Cyanogen might also have this capability, though I didn't check when I test flashed CM9.
That said, if you don't want to flash a Rom capable of this then it's definitely worth the money for TiBu Pro because restoring one at a time is a PITA, and Google Apps Backup will not run again if it fails to complete the first time after an SBF.

damastah said:
I love TiBu, but I'm a cheap guy. I like the fact that you can sync with Dropbox. So instead of buying the full version, I downloaded DropSpace (Free) and set it to automatically backup the folder of my choice (in this case the TitaniumBackup folder) at the same schedule as my TiBu. Problem solved!
P.S. I also use AppExtractor to restore the last state of any apps I had installed in NANDROID backups. My Titanium is set to back up new apps and newer versions, so it skips over new data in old programs. Doing things this way ensures that I have the most recent data without having to run Titanium AND create a NANDROID backup. Saves me time!
Anyone else have any other alternatives to Awesome but paid apps?
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Another cheap android owner. Don't complain about the iPhone having better apps.
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smokedkill said:
Another cheap android owner. Don't complain about the iPhone having better apps.
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Zing.
For what it's worth, TiBu Pro's auto restore is REALLY nice, but the price is also pretty steep IMO.

smokedkill said:
Another cheap android owner. Don't complain about the iPhone having better apps.
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Not understanding what you're saying here...
If a guy comes to me and offers me what TiBu offers and he says give me $6 and I'll hook you up, I'll pay the man if I'm not capable of doing it myself for free. But in this case, I don't mind a little extra work to save me the cash. Besides, the more simplified a process is, the less you know about it. And when I repair and re-install other peoples phones, I cant convince them all to buy a $6.58 app to use possibly only once.

Archer said:
Wait till you have to restore a lot of apps. This method won't save you a single second! It's well worth paying for Titanium Backup for many other reasons but being able to just click restore once and leave it to it is soooooo much better!
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I did purchase the key for AppExtractor. It was a cheaper $1.99. A 3rd of the price. I'd been looking for this functionality for so long that I just impulse bought it. It allows you to restore what you want from your NANDROID backups. You can select all and have it just run. That should take the same amount of time as Titanium, right?

damastah said:
Not understanding what you're saying here...
If a guy comes to me and offers me what TiBu offers and he says give me $6 and I'll hook you up, I'll pay the man if I'm not capable of doing it myself for free. But in this case, I don't mind a little extra work to save me the cash. Besides, the more simplified a process is, the less you know about it. And when I repair and re-install other peoples phones, I cant convince them all to buy a $6.58 app to use possibly only once.
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I can agree with you about doing something yourself for free and it is impossible to get someone to spend seven bucks on something they may use once. I have the pro version and it is one of my greatest tools when it comes to customizing roms to my liking;not just restoring apps but modifying framework apks.

Forgive the total derail, but batch restore is totally worth the price of tibu
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damastah said:
I did purchase the key for AppExtractor. It was a cheaper $1.99. A 3rd of the price. I'd been looking for this functionality for so long that I just impulse bought it. It allows you to restore what you want from your NANDROID backups. You can select all and have it just run. That should take the same amount of time as Titanium, right?
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It would probably be about the same time to restore, but to backup is a pain. You have to turn your phone off to create the backup, whereas with Titanium you can leave it running in the background.
It's good to have more choices though.

[Q] Why root?

So, I rooted my Nook Color and my Nook Tablet, and that made sense to me, because they were so locked down. But this thing connects to my PC with no problems, and there's nothing I haven't been able to install on it. What is the point of rooting?

Running software not available without having root rights (OpenVPN, Titanium backup, Ad blocker, ...)

Hmm, okay. Doesn't seem worth the hassle. Thanks, though.

loribuono said:
hmm, okay. Doesn't seem worth the hassle. Thanks, though.
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correct ! :d:d:d:d:d:d:d

I don't see any reason to root the note 10.1
I had to return my first one because rooting it broke the s pen and flashing stock firmware didn't fix it.
I didn't need to root in the first place, just did it out of habit.
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This device is great out the box. So for me, I feel no meed to root it yet. Once roms mature and developement and custom kernels pick up more, ill likely root.

I like the fact I can root my devices as it gives more flexibility if I need it.
I also like my clock to be accurate and I can't use clocksync properly without root...

Droidwall, titanium backup and clocksync.
Do I need to say more?

titanium backup! i need it to restore my previous device's apps

I did it to get rid of the damn mini apps.

I rooted purely for Titanium Backup and Sixaxis. Totally worth it.

jjflemin said:
I rooted purely for Titanium Backup and Sixaxis. Totally worth it.
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That would also be the two reasons for me to root my Note 10.1 at some point down the road, but first I have to get it. Hopefully next week
Dousan...

Why would you want root access?
Well, ask yourself this...
Would you be satisfied with only your desktop and start menu as a user?
Or you would prefer to have access to C:\ as an administrator?
It's the difference between REALLY having control over your device vs having the illusion you have control of your device.
Titanium Backup, I can't stress enough how useful TB is. Between backing up, restoring, moving save data to another device, not to mention being able to save it all to cloud storage. If you ever have to do a factory reset, TB is imo the best way to keep your data.
Ad Away. Doesn't need to be explained.
ability to remove worthless stock software, or freeze it (via Titanium Backup).
access to apps that you otherwise might never have access to (example - Google Now before it got downgraded)
because it's easy to do.

everybody is doing it!

Chicks dig it.

mitchellvii said:
Chicks dig it.
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:laugh:

Thanks for all your responses, everyone. I'll consider it. But given that I started this thread and am a straight female, this last reason is probably the least persuasive.
mitchellvii said:
Chicks dig it.
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Guys dig it..... :laugh:

Nice!
ultramag69 said:
Guys dig it..... :laugh:
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You are not really the owner if the device until u rooted it

Titanium backup Pro

$6.50 for the pro... ???
too expensive or is it a deal for what it can do ?
Should I buy somthing else ? (Backup both apk + data)
Im just curious of what you think. See this thread like a poll .
Ill buy the app (or not) by tomorrow, but you decide !
$6.50 is not the problem.
The problem is: is it too much for what it does ?
No flamming or name calling please, it is a serious question.
What I own:
3 Touchpad
1 Samsung Gio
1 HTC Incredible S
1 Samsung GS3
1 Galaxy Note 10.1
1 Asus TF300
1 TV Box (Rockchip) 808
1 TV Box (Rockchip) MX2
2 other Android TV Box coming this month
Ill probably get the Samsung Galaxy GS4 too
Is this app overrated or not ?

Definitely not over rated. If you flash a lot and are always needing to backup and restore apps and data, it does it very well. There may be others out there that are free, I'm not sure. I bought tibu after I rooted my first phone and have used only it since. For me, it's an invaluable tool.

I bought it a year ago and is worth it. he updates it and makes many improvements quit often

I have Titanium backup and ROM toolbox pro. If you buy Titanium backup, you can only backup apps+data. If you purchase ROM toolbox you can backup apps+data and many more things (10+). I like to recommended you to purchase ROM toolbox pro. It rich in features.
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titanium backup is MUST imo if you flash a lot of roms

got Titanium Backup Pro, and you are all right, it is a must for anyone who plays with ROMs.
It does a lot more than I thought.
Money well deserved for the developer IMO.

android addicts said:
I have Titanium backup and ROM toolbox pro. If you buy Titanium backup, you can only backup apps+data. If you purchase ROM toolbox you can backup apps+data and many more things (10+). I like to recommended you to purchase ROM toolbox pro. It rich in features.
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Ill gladly buy Rom Toolbox Pro too then.
Thanks

Aptoide
if you think an app is too expensive then just download aptoide off the market for free and then open that up type what app you want and download it from the different stores off there and then you will be able to get any paid app for free aslong as it on there it doesnt have to be even compatiable with your phone as some apps when you want to download them on google app market it says that your device is not compatible with the phone but APTOIDE lets you download those apps and automatically makes them compatable with your device.
SIMPLESSS

android addicts said:
I have Titanium backup and ROM toolbox pro. If you buy Titanium backup, you can only backup apps+data. If you purchase ROM toolbox you can backup apps+data and many more things (10+). I like to recommended you to purchase ROM toolbox pro. It rich in features.
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I also got Rom Toolbox Pro yesterday. Crashed 3 times and completely froze 2 of my tablets.
This software is a mess, the UI is the worst thing I have used in my life. Some options are unstable and some settings wont stick.
It was only $2.99, so not a big loss.

This is very useful especially if you are into flashing new roms from time to time. Will definitely help you restore the apps from your previous rom as is.

I know too much money......they should put the price to
3.99 then ill buy it
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I bought TitBackup and it's worth every cent - it does so much more than just make backups, it's a must-have for anybody that flashes their ROM

It is a must-have if you tend to experiment with your device and explore the possibilities.
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Worth it TB is great project its a must on androids
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Bagbug said:
I also got Rom Toolbox Pro yesterday. Crashed 3 times and completely froze 2 of my tablets.
This software is a mess, the UI is the worst thing I have used in my life. Some options are unstable and some settings wont stick.
It was only $2.99, so not a big loss.
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Im not the developer of that app. I'm just another user. I think its better report that issue to developer.
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Download free version of Titan Pro from APK MANIA
So I unlocked the bootloader, root, wifi tether my HTC ONE ...the next step is to freeze some of the ATT bootloader
Titan Pro comes to mind since it has so many good reviews but $7.00 is a lot!
Googled around and found that APK MANIA has the apk available for download. Is it real

Hi, is there any way I can restore SMS from Lollipop Nandroid backup to another Lollipop ROM using Titanium Backup Pro?
Thanks

ATZ-007 said:
Hi, is there any way I can restore SMS from Lollipop Nandroid backup to another Lollipop ROM using Titanium Backup Pro?
Thanks
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You can check this thread > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1537931
quite old but it's a good start.

If there is any ROM for sm-j110h
Please give me

I've purchased titanium backup pro years ago but now suddenly the screen opens with 'checking license' and after a long time it can't find it and goes to the free version. I tried restoring previous backed versions of the app but that did not change things.
Obviously the phone is rooted.
Google play says the pro version is installed.
What to do?

[Q] Changing Roms / updating

Hello friends,
Just a quick question about updating roms.
Is there an easy way to save all my apps and homescreen configs where and what size widgets, icons and what ever else I have changed. Including all the settings I may have changed.
I only ask cause I see many roms have nightly builds available, but I think trying to use these and setting everything up again would drive me crazy. But all info I read says I need wipe data and caches and reflash Gapps everytime I change roms or update.
If there is no easy way to save all my preferances, do any frequent rom flashers have any advice?
Also as a sort of side note the versions of AOKP i got from this site is labeled OTA (no idea what that stands for) but the ones on aokp.co are labeled nightly and milestone. Anyone know the differneces? Should I be running OTA over the nightlies or Milestones?
Thank you,
GK

Titanium backup my friend @GKlol
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Shad0wPanda said:
Titanium backup my friend @GKlol
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Purchased the pro version, so much here, so ridiculous that this wasn't the first thing i did lol.
time to test some roms and see how well this works
Thanks again,
GK

google titanium back up pro.apk
no need to purchase :good:

lh1291 said:
google titanium back up pro.apk
no need to purchase :good:
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Seems wrong to steal from a developer that asks for a little bit of money for his most likely long hours of work that in turn makes my life much easier.
Also it was 5 dollars if you can afford a phone I am pretty sure you can afford an app that is going to help you back up, sync and restore your apps and data.
Also is this not a forum for developers?
GK

GKlol said:
Seems wrong to steal from a developer that asks for a little bit of money for his most likely long hours of work that in turn makes my life much easier.
Also it was 5 dollars if you can afford a phone I am pretty sure you can afford an app that is going to help you back up, sync and restore your apps and data.
Also is this not a forum for developers?
GK
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yes.but it maybe a little $ fr u but not all around the globe.
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sometimes we have no way to pay.