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Why I'll probably never use another custom rom again

I've been through hell recently with a Motorola G5 Plus and a Huawei Honor 6x in an effort to mod and then unmod / factory restore the phones. I can go into the details of why but what I'll say, in short, is that installing custom mods on them caused me more harm than good: it subjected me to a number of bugs limiting my ability to even use the device, voided any warranty, and a number of other reasons I can't think of ATM. I know it's a thrill to create something and see it come to use in a phone and share that with others, but why would you want to alter a phone that's already working well out the box? That has an entire team of professionals getting paid full-time to support any problems and issue updates? Don't get me wrong as I do see some use of modding with older devices such that they won't be getting any new OS from the publisher and new apps wont work on older versions of Android, but this is why I'll probably never use another custom mod outside of that reason: they don't work as well (of course, if you're a contributor to the modding community, I do respect the effort you put out).
Your thoughts?

this is why you need a complete backup of current stock rom before using custom so you can recover from fails

Android One is a massive failure and why I am downgrading back to Oreo

Hello, I am officially downgrading back to Oreo now due to not seeing bugfixes from Xiaomi for several months on common problems reported by many people to Xiaomi ever since Android Pie update was pushed. They did not fix anything, and it does not look like they will either.
Let me debunk for you my thoughts on Android One and how Xiaomi has handled it:
- We are guaranteed two major updates and security patches, but we are not guaranteed any stability or bugfixes! This is just a cheap update to Android Pie with only security updates being pushed, and I find it absolutely unacceptable. Xiaomi probably does not want to give resources to such a unpopular not profitable or well-selling device (compared to their other devices and MIUI) and are just delivering the minimal they have to in order to stick to and fulfil the conditions set in the Android One project.
- I noticed not only lower battery lifetime, but also several bugs. This includes completely random MASSIVE lags in for example something as simple as using Google Maps (nothing else being used on my phone when lagging!)
- My Wi-Fi not working well at all taking a long time to scan and connect, not being able to connect to hidden networks AT ALL
- Random crashes even when I was on my way to an important exam and even "freezing" up in calls and weird buzzing screeching noises in calls.
- I have LTE, but I cannot call over VoLTE or VoWiFi, because this phone does not have the support for my carrier. My phone calls now go through 2G! While my Apple, Samsung and Huawei friends are laughing at me.
- My friend reported one of his speakers DIED on him not even half a year after the purchase.
Note, I have done factory resets, I have tried to give it a chance, but it just doesn't improve. This is a horrible device, and that is my 2 cents.
You should not buy phones just from the specifications you see it has, you should care about plenty a other things that might be wrong. I have decided to go back to Oreo, and at least have a decent device, and I think you should too, which is why I am sharing this with you. Will I buy another phone from Xiaomi? I am not so sure after this ...
How you do it is simple, you just download the latest Oreo OTA: V9.6.10.0.ODLMIFF, do OEM unlocking and flash it using flash_all_lock_crc.sh on Linux or the flash_all_lock_crc.bat on Windows (will erase all data NB)
Join me downgrading to Oreo, WARNING: Only at your own risk!
Need drivers, download the fasboot package binary for Linux or Windows from Google and install Xiaomi ADB/Fastboot drivers, for Linux it is not necessary when I tried it:
Windows: https://dl.google.com/android/repository/platform-tools-latest-windows.zip
Linux: https://dl.google.com/android/repository/platform-tools-latest-linux.zip
Mac: https://dl.google.com/android/repository/platform-tools-latest-darwin.zip
1. Download the latest 8.1 OTA http://bigota.d.miui.com/V9.6.11.0....0.ODLMIFF_20181112.0000.00_8.1_8028e3bf1c.tgz
2. Enable developers options by tapping the build number in about phone multiple times, and in developer options enable OEM unlocking
3. Shut the phone down, hold the volume down when plugging it into the PC or hold the volume down + power to enter fastboot mode (you should see it say fastboot and the Mitu mascot).
4. OEM unlock using command "fastboot oem unlock" WARNING: Full data wipe, unless you hold volume down you might be able to stop this, look for other threads on xda-developers for this.
5. Flash using flash_all_lock_crc.sh on Linux or the flash_all_lock_crc.bat on Windows, maybe you can use the ones without data wipe, again you should take backup of your important data!
6. Enjoy a not so terrible device

Now I just have to figure out how to stop auto-downloading of May OTA and notifications about updating, probably needs root?
EDIT:
Can go into Developer Options and disable Automatic system updates

I complete agree with you bro, Android One is almost like we are beta testers for all the time. My Mi A2 lite give me some annoying issues:
1) Bluetooth don't work proprely with my sound car system (freeze the music when I take in my hands or the road shake the device);
2) Autofocus don't work for Gcam in low light and even in the stock app camera the focus isn't correct edge to edge, making some softness in the corners;
3) Hotspot wifi router works for some minutes and for nothing the mobile data stop.
4) Ram management is a rubbish, just opening the camera any other application reload;
After all I understand Samsung and others Brands for delay updates, at least is not full of bugs like Xiaomi (same with MIUI).

if you only downgrade, without patches or fixes, android 8.1 will be a pain in the ...
the anti-roll back politic of xiaomi only makes harder to downgrade...

NeoZX58 said:
if you only downgrade, without patches or fixes, android 8.1 will be a pain in the ...
the anti-roll back politic of xiaomi only makes harder to downgrade...
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And about customs ROMs? They are more stable and bugfixeds than stock or not reliable yet? Actually I prefer to install Pixel Experience (Pie) and not downgrade to Oreo.

I like pir granted I never use stock ROM custom is the way to go

Yep pie OS definitely consumes more battery than oreo and I'm almost tempted to role back to oreo just to have more battery life.
I'm currently using lineageos by 33bca it's very stable, I recommend you to give it a try. The only thing I hate is that the ram management is really awful (both with stock and custom rom), most of the time the phone has to reload the applications even if I only have 2 applications opened.
Are you having some problem with sim/network? Because I saw in some post a fix to use after downgrading from pie to oreo.

I never upgraded from Oreo to Pie. Looks like i made the right choice.

gatomestre08 said:
I complete agree with you bro, Android One is almost like we are beta testers for all the time. My Mi A2 lite give me some annoying issues:
1) Bluetooth don't work proprely with my sound car system (freeze the music when I take in my hands or the road shake the device);
2) Autofocus don't work for Gcam in low light and even in the stock app camera the focus isn't correct edge to edge, making some softness in the corners;
3) Hotspot wifi router works for some minutes and for nothing the mobile data stop.
4) Ram management is a rubbish, just opening the camera any other application reload;
After all I understand Samsung and others Brands for delay updates, at least is not full of bugs like Xiaomi (same with MIUI).
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Seems like more of the same issues I have experienced, it is simply not good enough for what would be expected of day-to-day use. I think we got exactly what we paid for with this device, sadly, and from what I know the Pie update already released to for example S8 and it is working perfectly well and stable for those. But, again, much more popular and well-financed device than our cheap A2 Lite.
NeoZX58 said:
if you only downgrade, without patches or fixes, android 8.1 will be a pain in the ...
the anti-roll back politic of xiaomi only makes harder to downgrade...
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For me this has been the easiest device to downgrade. Xiaomi hosts the OTA officially, OEM unlocking simply by an easy command no phone or e-mail verification just like the Pixel(Probably Android One related), and they made the script to downgrade it for you. I had much more trouble before on other devices. like Samsung using ODIN, Xiaomi with MIUI and similar, having to go through a verification by e-mail to unlock at HTC etc etc. I do not get what you are on about?
Also, why is it a pain without patches or fixes? It is much better than what you get with Pie so far, at least that is for me. There is way more lacks of patches and fixes for Pie than for Oreo ...
Remember, this was the last version released just before the May Pie update, it is very recent in itself only by some 7 months ...
anzhaki said:
Yep pie OS definitely consumes more battery than oreo and I'm almost tempted to role back to oreo just to have more battery life.
I'm currently using lineageos by 33bca it's very stable, I recommend you to give it a try. The only thing I hate is that the ram management is really awful (both with stock and custom rom), most of the time the phone has to reload the applications even if I only have 2 applications opened.
Are you having some problem with sim/network? Because I saw in some post a fix to use after downgrading from pie to oreo.
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I really wanted to try the custom ROMs, but I have banking apps that complain to me if my device is rooted or similar, and refuses to run. These are important apps for paying for goods and services that you need in order to go about your life normally. I can get around it using Magisk Hide, but I would rather not
SIM/network problems actually worked fine on Oreo and Pie (official ROM) for me all the time. I can use 4G LTE band20 perfectly and other bands to access internet, and it immediately connects to 2G/3G(3G being closed in my country soon for 4G and 5G improvement) for calls when it needs to. Coverage is also well in my country. My company use Ericsson base stations and not Huawei ones, but not like that matters.

gatomestre08 said:
And about customs ROMs? They are more stable and bugfixeds than stock or not reliable yet? Actually I prefer to install Pixel Experience (Pie) and not downgrade to Oreo.
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pixel experience, AOSiP and Lineage are the best custom Roms so far, but, my issue is from RAM management in android Pie (custom or stock).. after hours of use the phone becomes unusable... :/
courfazor said:
For me this has been the easiest device to downgrade. Xiaomi hosts the OTA officially, OEM unlocking simply by an easy command no phone or e-mail verification just like the Pixel(Probably Android One related), and they made the script to downgrade it for you. I had much more trouble before on other devices. like Samsung using ODIN, Xiaomi with MIUI and similar, having to go through a verification by e-mail to unlock at HTC etc etc. I do not get what you are on about?
Also, why is it a pain without patches or fixes? It is much better than what you get with Pie so far, at least that is for me. There is way more lacks of patches and fixes for Pie than for Oreo ...
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nope, if you only do this, you don't have RIL, can't record videos from camera and only one sim works...
i told you because i did it, you need a several fixes for sim, modify files in the official OTA to flash more files and need the modem pie img and flash it too...

i agree that the android one program wont ever give us a solid flawless build, after all it is ment for lower to mid range devices that will be quickly overlooked after release , i must admit this a2 lite is the best phone i have had so far even with the instabilities but thanks to the xda community i have been able to make the device truly mine and how i like it. i had to get this device after my nexus 5x broke during in a motorcycle accident, it was all i could afford and it performs well for my needs, i did install twrp and Butterfly for Daisy to fix the GCam mis focus issues, eventually i gave in and installed magisk to manage tge kernel with arduitor and increase battery life. i never had the luxury to run Oreo on this devixe because as soon as i got it i unlocked the bootloader and when it restarted it booted into the updated pie partition and i decided to run with it. i dont think xiaomi or Google will actually fix any bugs but we are on XDA and DIY is always an option.

NeoZX58 said:
pixel experience, AOSiP and Lineage are the best custom Roms so far, but, my issue is from RAM management in android Pie (custom or stock).. after hours of use the phone becomes unusable... :/
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Not good. I think this was the same massive lagging issue I experienced, I just did not know it was due to bad RAM management. Is this a fix that needs to be done to the ROM directly or only the kernel? I am not familiar with custom ROM/kernel development that much, but I have experienced some kernels on devices working much better than others like ElementalX.
NeoZX58 said:
nope, if you only do this, you don't have RIL, can't record videos from camera and only one sim works...
i told you because i did it, you need a several fixes for sim, modify files in the official OTA to flash more files and need the modem pie img and flash it too...
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I am able to record videos from my camera perfectly, it works very stable. I used this version of Oreo just some months ago and it worked great. I have the version with 4GB RAM and 64GB eMMC. I think the reason I experience no issues is because I only use one primary SIM for 4G and calling in SIM slot 1, and do not have a use for the 2nd SIM slot so for me, it is perfect, but too bad for the people that actually needs this feature like you About updates to RIL I assume the firmware used for modem/calling, which for me works so any updates are not that needed for me to have it working perfectly.
Azatecas said:
i agree that the android one program wont ever give us a solid flawless build, after all it is ment for lower to mid range devices that will be quickly overlooked after release , i must admit this a2 lite is the best phone i have had so far even with the instabilities but thanks to the xda community i have been able to make the device truly mine and how i like it. i had to get this device after my nexus 5x broke during in a motorcycle accident, it was all i could afford and it performs well for my needs, i did install twrp and Butterfly for Daisy to fix the GCam mis focus issues, eventually i gave in and installed magisk to manage tge kernel with arduitor and increase battery life. i never had the luxury to run Oreo on this devixe because as soon as i got it i unlocked the bootloader and when it restarted it booted into the updated pie partition and i decided to run with it. i dont think xiaomi or Google will actually fix any bugs but we are on XDA and DIY is always an option.
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But it was actually working well enough for me too on some of the builds, but I do agree that it is probably not a phone that was meant to be supported for long. Another person I know has the A2 model, and he says it has been working perfectly well for him for all this time even on latest Android Pie. I do not know if there are much differences between them, but I do know the A2 is a much more popular device. Personally I prefer the A2 Lite just for the audio jack, and I still like the legacy MicroUSB. People would call me mad for this, but haha, that is just who I am.
I am afraid this device is not nearly as popular to get enough DIY effort into making a custom ROM/kernel, I am certainly not anyone who knows enough to get into development of it. I hope it will go well and that somebody will take the challenge, or maybe it has already happened?

courfazor said:
I am afraid this device is not nearly as popular to get enough DIY effort into making a custom ROM/kernel, I am certainly not anyone who knows enough to get into development of it. I hope it will go well and that somebody will take the challenge, or maybe it has already happened?
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i actually think the mi a2 lite is more popular than the regular A2, it has more features and a better battery for a cheaper price so it is more accessible to more people and therefore more reach developers. Butterfly for Daisy is a great Custom Kernel that fixes some issues including the GCam focus issue among other things on Pie, i highly suggest you read that thread to see if it offer solutions to some of your issues with the device. im still running stock Rom with the custom kernel and everything works great. others have reported Resurrection Remix/Puxel Experience/ and Lineage Os bring additional stability and fixes in coordination with the kernel. i havent found the need to try a custom rom yet but development is very active on the device. however it is a low end phone and QA is not as good so some devices might be lemons straght out of the factory and not perform as good.

I have almost no issues with my Mi A2 Lite. No slowness except what I expect from a $159 phone, GPS works, bluetooth works albeit I hate that they removed AAC, WiFi is perfectly fine and maxes out my connection with bluetooth on. Only thing I don't like is how crap calling is, but I figured that would be the case when I bought it at again, $159 and knew some American bands were missing. Battery life is 8-11 hours of SOT with regular usage. I use the IR blaster to control my stereo receiver, FM radio is nice. Glass has some light scratches, but again I expect that for $159.
I have a brand new never opened Oreo Mi A2 Lite in my desk drawer still in the box that I haven't felt the need to pull out yet. I think as someone else has pointed out, there may be two hardware revisions because mine is fairly flawless.

I downgrade my Mi A2 Lite to Oreo V9.6.6.0.ODLMIFF (August 2018) and was surprised how good and perfect is this version, looks like I have an new Smartphone. Now Bluetooth works perfect, Gcam Autofocus is accurate, fine RAM mannagement, battery life is great, only miss FM Radio.
Mi A2 Lite was arruined by Android Pie.
Shame on you Xiaomi, I'm very disappointed with the crap updates that we received from you, seems like your only purpose is for the users buy an new one device.

anzhaki said:
Yep pie OS definitely consumes more battery than oreo and I'm almost tempted to role back to oreo just to have more battery life.
I'm currently using lineageos by 33bca it's very stable, I recommend you to give it a try. The only thing I hate is that the ram management is really awful (both with stock and custom rom), most of the time the phone has to reload the applications even if I only have 2 applications opened.
Are you having some problem with sim/network? Because I saw in some post a fix to use after downgrading from pie to oreo.
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For the ram management... open your kernel 'tweaker' app and disable 'Adaptive Low Memory Killer', it seems to like killing apps on background, even with enough ram to spare... It'll make no magic, but definately helps :highfive:

Sorry, needing Help.
Could you please post a tutorial for this, or a good noob Xiaomi step by step? I have unlocked my phone a few months ago. I don't remember how I did it. I have since moved to another phone. I have installed twrp and had it rooted with majisk. a factory reset took care of majisk. I would love to go back completely to stock oreo.
I only need one slot on the sim so this should be ok.
Your directions for install sound good but seems like something might be missing. I'm new to the xiaomi devices. They seem way more comlicated than all the Samsungs I've had.
PLEASE, and thank you:good::good:

Rev10eight said:
Could you please post a tutorial for this, or a good noob Xiaomi step by step? I have unlocked my phone a few months ago. I don't remember how I did it. I have since moved to another phone. I have installed twrp and had it rooted with majisk. a factory reset took care of majisk. I would love to go back completely to stock oreo.
I only need one slot on the sim so this should be ok.
Your directions for install sound good but seems like something might be missing. I'm new to the xiaomi devices. They seem way more comlicated than all the Samsungs I've had.
PLEASE, and thank you:good::good:
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All your data on phone will be lost , take back-up on PC if necessairy.
For full stock rom , download Miuflashtool zip. extract and install on your PC, download stock rom for your phone on your PC and extract it , boot into fastboot and connect your device to PC ,in flashtool click on refresh, your device should appear ( numbercombination 225cc80.... or something like that) click browse in the left corner and select the extracted stock rom file, hit flash and wait till you see succes in green on the right . Your device will take about 10 min to boot . You're now on stock rom, locked bootloader, no root and stock recovery . I flashed my device MiA2 lite) yesterday with latest Pie stock rom after I had bootloop
bricked it. I don't now about oreo stock rom , there could be issues with network connection, video playback and swapped simcard because of anti rollback protection.

Thank you so much.
That was super simple and super quick. I am back to stock Pie, unrooted and and the boot loader is locked again. I used OREO and the phone works fine. Make sure you disable update or it will update to pie. I need to redo it to go back to oreo.

I want to downgrade. What about second sim slot OREO error ??? What version is the best? And what version havent bluetooth/wifi/gps issue? I dont remember what version I was at last on oreo.

Lack of custom ROMs...

Hi,
So what are the reasons for the lack of custom ROMs for our device and what can we do about it?
1. Device is new? So is the OP 8 and it already has development going on full speed.
2. It's not that popular, devs don't have it? Could we chip in a few bucks and get a device for one of the recognized developers?
3. Issues with kernel source and device tree from Xiaomi? Is there anything we can do about it?
4. Lack of proper TWRP? Btw. The Chinese TWRP is 130MB+ in size, whereas the proper one is usually 30MB+, I don't trust it at all. I think @mauronofrio is already working his magic and we will have a fully working TWRP soon.
Did I miss something? It's a great phone hardware wise, but the lack of custom ROMs is making it useless for people like us. I'm actually learning how to build custom ROMs because of that, so maybe I could create something, but it's not a trivial task, especially for an old-ish dude with not a lot of time on hand and who's just getting started.

grt67DFqyu said:
Hi,
So what are the reasons for the lack of custom ROMs for our device and what can we do about it?
1. Device is new? So is the OP 8 and it already has development going on full speed.
2. It's not that popular, devs don't have it? Could we chip in a few bucks and get a device for one of the recognized developers?
3. Issues with kernel source and device tree from Xiaomi? Is there anything we can do about it?
4. Lack of proper TWRP? Btw. The Chinese TWRP is 130MB+ in size, whereas the proper one is usually 30MB+, I don't trust it at all. I think @mauronofrio is already working his magic and we will have a fully working TWRP soon.
Did I miss something? It's a great phone hardware wise, but the lack of custom ROMs is making it useless for people like us. I'm actually learning how to build custom ROMs because of that, so maybe I could create something, but it's not a trivial task, especially for an old-ish dude with not a lot of time on hand and who's just getting started.
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i think you have checks all spots with this thread. Maybe points 2 and 3 has major weight on this situation. We need to flodding poco on social networks to make more aware about this lack of development cause one of poco selling points was devices dev friendly and without proper kernel sources or devices tree, we will be in an dead end very soon. f1 has a lot of active development even 2 years later! i can't believe f2 will be a flawn on dev department...

I think it's Corona stuff, lots of device releases not much man power, why bother fixing source code that will be irrelevant in 3-4 months when android 11 comes out.
I think we have to just wait.

grt67DFqyu said:
Hi,
So what are the reasons for the lack of custom ROMs for our device and what can we do about it?
1. Device is new? So is the OP 8 and it already has development going on full speed.
2. It's not that popular, devs don't have it? Could we chip in a few bucks and get a device for one of the recognized developers?
3. Issues with kernel source and device tree from Xiaomi? Is there anything we can do about it?
4. Lack of proper TWRP? Btw. The Chinese TWRP is 130MB+ in size, whereas the proper one is usually 30MB+, I don't trust it at all. I think @mauronofrio is already working his magic and we will have a fully working TWRP soon.
Did I miss something? It's a great phone hardware wise, but the lack of custom ROMs is making it useless for people like us. I'm actually learning how to build custom ROMs because of that, so maybe I could create something, but it's not a trivial task, especially for an old-ish dude with not a lot of time on hand and who's just getting started.
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I'm still waiting too

OnePlus is supporting the dev's, Xiaomi don't care.

For 4, if you compress that twrp with rar or 7zip, you can find the real size is about 32MB

[ROM][REQUEST][POLL] Should i develop a rom for the Tab S6??

Hi all,
i own a Tab S6 T860 (non-lte) for quite a while now, about 6 months.
There are some downsides like the horrible unbuffered screen tearing that you'll get with fast-scrolling, but the overall device is pretty premium-sided, and it's got a decent processor, a great display (color/resolution wise) although im missing 2160p in youtube.
Question is as i (until now) didnt bothered developing for a new device, since i had my hands full with the MiPad4, some alcatel devices and are Maintaining official LineageOS for three legacy devices, should i develop for this one if the community still wants it.
The lead-dev of the MiPad left it so im thinking about developing for the Tab S6 now.
I would only develop LineageOS, starting with 16.0 then doing 17.1 and then 18 but idk how long it would take, since ive no real knowledge of the newest platforms and how they are built, so i'd be reading/trying out stuff a LOT before some release nightlies. The "latest" i developed for was the MiPad4 with a sdm660 btw but i mainly do legacy (e.g 8953/8952/8926).
So please leave your feedback or any other opinions/questions, if we reach a decent amount of people who still want it i'll start right away when im back home from my vacations on 18th.
Best Regards!
Edit: Since theres no real telegram group, and i MAINLY talk via telegram i made one so you can contact me quickly.
https://t.me/joinchat/Bn6f-VKeQfZfiKXo69h3Mw

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I would LOVE to have LOS on my Tab S6 (SM-T860) WiFi-only tablet!
Don't even care about stuff like fingerprint, external keyboard, Widevine, Bluetooth, any 'functionality' similar to what Samsung 'provides' like, you name it.
I've spent sooo much time, and a few dollars, trying to get preinstalled stuff to *not* work! but still be able to boot—Knox bull****, anyone?
And having telephony **** on my WiFi-only tablet, either. Something that has baffled me for years is why a 'custom' ROM for a Wifi-only device has software that trys to interact with nonexistent hardware, using up cpu as it continually tries...on a bit of a rant, there.
So yeah, I'm all in. FWIW, I helped write the instructions, and did a *lot* of testing for rooting the Tab S5e, so I ain't scared to test out stuff; check it out, here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/tab-s5e/how-to/galaxy-tab-s5e-sm-t720-root-t3947806

TiTiB said:
I would LOVE to have LOS on my Tab S6 (SM-T860) WiFi-only tablet!
Don't even care about stuff like fingerprint, external keyboard, Widevine, Bluetooth, any 'functionality' similar to what Samsung 'provides' like, you name it.
I've spent sooo much time, and a few dollars, trying to get preinstalled stuff to *not* work! but still be able to boot—Knox bull****, anyone?
And having telephony **** on my WiFi-only tablet, either. Something that has baffled me for years is why a 'custom' ROM for a Wifi-only device has software that trys to interact with nonexistent hardware, using up cpu as it continually tries...on a bit of a rant, there.
So yeah, I'm all in. FWIW, I helped write the instructions, and did a *lot* of testing for rooting the Tab S5e, so I ain't scared to test out stuff; check it out, here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/tab-s5e/how-to/galaxy-tab-s5e-sm-t720-root-t3947806
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Thanks for the info about the S5e, i was unaware of how well it is supported.
I would definitely do stuff like fingerprint, widevine, Bluetooth (PEN) and stuff.
But idk about those keyboards samsung offers and how they function since i cant test it on my own.
Same goes for the LTE but im pretty sure i can just use the same blobs.
BTW anyone has a firehose package for the tab s6 by chance???

I too would love LOS in this device. Samsung UI is cluttery, lagging (on mine), and an absolute mess. My PocoF1 gives me better Honkai Impact 3 (a gatcha action fighting game) performance than this tablet, and the poco is an SD845, with lite LOS. So yeah, I'd love to have this. My warranty is void anyways (because samsung decided so I haven't done a thing to void it), so it'd be great to have a reason to take advantage of that.

Chiming in for a plea to get a Lineage build for the Tab S6.
Such a gorgeous piece of hardware beset by such a ****ty software implementation. Why does Samsung insist on abusing its customers? I'd gladly pay for a Lineage or AOSP rom for our device.

Alright, a little update:
Kernel is done -> link found below
It has to be handled with care as of now. Installing it on my running rom resulted in a crash when unlocking the device. A quick factory reset fixed the problem but keep that in mind when installing this on your device.
Rom will follow up hopefully till next month - but i cant promise anything.
T-860:
https://dl.keksla.wtf/boot_t860.img
T-865:
(uploading)

Thargorsson said:
Alright, a little update:
Kernel is done -> link found below
It has to be handled with care as of now. Installing it on my running rom resulted in a crash when unlocking the device. A quick factory reset fixed the problem but keep that in mind when installing this on your device.
Rom will follow up hopefully till next month - but i cant promise anything.
T-860:
https://dl.keksla.wtf/boot_t860.img
T-865:
(uploading)
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i would love to have custom kernel for samsung rom, but i don mind if you can make enhancements to the kernel like under volt or to solve the graphics lagging issues. it was just tiny changes involved in the past to make it work for both stock and LineageOS but for android 10, i have no idea
i have long inactive in both rom and kernel developments and i doubt how long should it take to get familiar with changes from android 7 to 10
ps i am still on pie, too lazy to upgrade due to my csc is tgy, which lacks updates as usual, and i dont wanna reinstall everything as to switch to dbt and to re-enter all my passwords
btw, may i ask if the stock android 10 fixed the problem with fast scrolling? i have experiences lags and graphics distortions with the samsung browser which was way toooooo unacceptable for a top device like tab s6

ykkfive said:
i would love to have custom kernel for samsung rom, but i don mind if you can make enhancements to the kernel like under volt or to solve the graphics lagging issues. it was just tiny changes involved in the past to make it work for both stock and LineageOS but for android 10, i have no idea
i have long inactive in both rom and kernel developments and i doubt how long should it take to get familiar with changes from android 7 to 10
ps i am still on pie, too lazy to upgrade due to my csc is tgy, which lacks updates as usual, and i dont wanna reinstall everything as to switch to dbt and to re-enter all my passwords
btw, may i ask if the stock android 10 fixed the problem with fast scrolling? i have experiences lags and graphics distortions with the samsung browser which was way toooooo unacceptable for a top device like tab s6
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nope, sadly we still suffer from those issues on Q .
I dont have any good knowledge of how to apply those undervolts as i never done it before (lineageos requires stock govenors for official) but if you can point me to the correct commits i can look at it

Thargorsson said:
nope, sadly we still suffer from those issues on Q .
I dont have any good knowledge of how to apply those undervolts as i never done it before (lineageos requires stock govenors for official) but if you can point me to the correct commits i can look at it
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oh...
there were some cpu/voltage tweaks for the same cpu before for my old devices. and for our tab s 6 there are a few devices with the same cpu like one plus. you can search the cpu model in github and then you can find the code name of it and those devices which use the same cpu. i used to get those tweaks for modifying kernels for my previous devices. however for our 855, sadly there's no port for the samsung devices afaik, so you may need to make some more changes in order to port them
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just found this one https://github.com/kdrag0n/proton_bluecross/releases
it should be a 855 with some oc according to the change log, but unfortunately i couldnt load the changes with my browser so i couldnt find the relevant commits
may be you can take a look at that

Thargorsson said:
Hi all,
i own a Tab S6 T860 (non-lte) for quite a while now, about 6 months.
There are some downsides like the horrible unbuffered screen tearing that you'll get with fast-scrolling, but the overall device is pretty premium-sided, and it's got a decent processor, a great display (color/resolution wise) although im missing 2160p in youtube.
Question is as i (until now) didnt bothered developing for a new device, since i had my hands full with the MiPad4, some alcatel devices and are Maintaining official LineageOS for three legacy devices, should i develop for this one if the community still wants it.
The lead-dev of the MiPad left it so im thinking about developing for the Tab S6 now.
I would only develop LineageOS, starting with 16.0 then doing 17.1 and then 18 but idk how long it would take, since ive no real knowledge of the newest platforms and how they are built, so i'd be reading/trying out stuff a LOT before some release nightlies. The "latest" i developed for was the MiPad4 with a sdm660 btw but i mainly do legacy (e.g 8953/8952/8926).
So please leave your feedback or any other opinions/questions, if we reach a decent amount of people who still want it i'll start right away when im back home from my vacations on 18th.
Best Regards!
Edit: Since theres no real telegram group, and i MAINLY talk via telegram i made one so you can contact me quickly.
https://t.me/joinchat/Bn6f-VKeQfZfiKXo69h3Mw
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I'm in at 17.1 level and up. Don't want to go back...

YES! Yes please please please! I have been dreaming and hoping LOS would come to the Tab S6 for SO long now. So yes, please make a rom for it. Please.

I would love to have LOS rom support on the Tab S6! The lack of Lineage OS support was the one thing holding me back from purchasing the Tab S6, compared to the Tab S5E, but I wanted the faster processor, storage, and larger memory capacity.
That said, if you develop a working LOS rom, that would be a huge win for all Tab S6 users!

I don't think there is a person on XDA with the tab S6 that would not want to see a custom lineage Rom built. I do want a working Spen though. Im on stock 10 One UI 2.5 and samsung is extremely slow at releasing the kernel source code for the 860. Its definitely worth it to use to build one if you can. Thanks for developing on the tab S6.

LOS for T-865 ?! Yes, absolutely
P.S: Working pen would be great of course.

Still On The Fence.
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LOS for T-865 ?! Yes, absolutely
P.S: Working pen would be great of course.
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I would support a ROM for this device, but I am leery about past issues and previous devices. I had 3 smp600 units, and all three were beaten to the edge with constant testing of all the ROMS I could grab. But, only ONE of those tabs choked on something from a pure LOS build. Then it hit a brick wall. I could never find a way past a Nov 18 build. So, now with two smt870 units, I will tread lightly. And, big question: WHY are we STILL stuck with ODIN for this process? I know nothing of the process of coding and writing these great ROMS, but having to drag out a WINDOWS laptop to update my android device seems like many steps backwards. I have no NEED for a laptop save for praying for Odin to even run properly. Wish there were better ways for us old farts who've forgotten more tricks than new ones have been taught. But, I am on board to get the Sammy off of my tab. Thanks for your errors.
;-DeanoD

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I would support a ROM for this device, but I am leery about past issues and previous devices. I had 3 smp600 units, and all three were beaten to the edge with constant testing of all the ROMS I could grab. But, only ONE of those tabs choked on something from a pure LOS build. Then it hit a brick wall. I could never find a way past a Nov 18 build. So, now with two smt870 units, I will tread lightly. And, big question: WHY are we STILL stuck with ODIN for this process? I know nothing of the process of coding and writing these great ROMS, but having to drag out a WINDOWS laptop to update my android device seems like many steps backwards. I have no NEED for a laptop save for praying for Odin to even run properly. Wish there were better ways for us old farts who've forgotten more tricks than new ones have been taught. But, I am on board to get the Sammy off of my tab. Thanks for your errors.
;-DeanoD
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Well if your not rooted you dont need odin you can install official release update. If you mean to install custom rom like lineage you again dont need odin after you install TWRP.

Actually, on debloated rooted stock ROM I don't see any problems so far..Device is holding it solid and sound.
Flavour of Lineage is absolutely welcome, but personaly I wouldn't use it because a lot of bugs and non functional addons.
Personally...this tablet without pen is like Ferrari without fuel.

Rooted debloated stock is miles ahead of Samsung's incompetent shadow apps. But even as stripped down as I can make it, the ROM still lags and burns battery in the background. I've tried everything and can't get this beautiful expensive piece of hardware to perform to its specs. I respect others who love it as is, but I've never gotten comfortable with the pen and just want a light, fast tablet with a beautiful screen that doesn't overtax its battery.
I'd switch to Lineage on this device in a heartbeat.

this project still alive? seems dead for me.

Question Where are all the Custom ROMs?

There's a lot of custom ROMs out there on Telegram for the Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro but may someone direct me to where I can find all these ROMs? It used to be so easy finding ROMs and kernels on XDA but now devs moved away from it. Everything is buried under various chat groups on Telegram and it's honestly a pain trying to find them. So far, I know the following custom ROMs exist somewhere on the Internet:
CrDroid
LineageOS
SparkOS
HentaiOS
StatixOS
SuperiorOS

Most have moved to using Telegram for announcing. Google Pixel 7/7 Pro Updates, is the channel where you will find the d/l links. GL!

Yeah I stopped trusting custom ROMs since the HTC days. When they finally get everything working and all the kinks out im onto the next phone.

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Yeah I stopped trusting custom ROMs since the HTC days. When they finally get everything working and all the kinks out im onto the next phone.
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Battling the bugs That's half of the fun

Beggars can't be choosers. But my biggest issue with custom ROM's is that the devs never finish anything.
As soon as the next version of Android comes out, they move to that one instead of fixing the remaining issues with the previous Android version custom ROM.
I'd much rather have a ROM that just "works" without any weird random glitches.

CZ Eddie said:
Beggars can't be choosers. But my biggest issue with custom ROM's is that the devs never finish anything.
As soon as the next version of Android comes out, they move to that one instead of fixing the remaining issues with the previous Android version custom ROM.
I'd much rather have a ROM that just "works" without any weird random glitches.
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Because the majority of 'devs' today are simply kangers who cherry pick a handful commits and call it a day. True devs are very few and far between.
Also, changes to the Android architecture and other security improvements have generally made the custom rom scene much less appealing with fairly significant downsides.
I miss the 2010-2012 days of Android.

I used custom ROMS for years, particularly on the old Galaxy phones with Cyanogenmod to get rid of Touchwiz.
However, given the vanilla nature of Pixel phones, I don't really see the point of them on these devices unless you really want to avoid Google's framework. It's all personal choice though, but speaking personally I'm more than happy with stock, albeit rooted.

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I miss the 2010-2012 days of Android.
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Fact!! Me too, when I was very active in the Dev scene, here and on the old SDX-Developers site but really, those ROM's focused mostly on customizing and removing bloatware. Custom Boot screens, fonts, colors, embedded logos, etc and other than the guys who were developing kernels - which don't require custom ROMs - and the early development of ARM and EXT4, customizing can be done with stand-alone apps now, and with Pixel phones, there is no real bloatware.
The only thing I really wish for is Recovery. I'm still blown away that the TWRP Project more or less abandoned the project over the last few years.

Can't speak for the pixel 7 pro, but I used custom roms basically the whole time I had a smartphone.
The last years it was for Xiaomi phones and on those I wanted them badly to get rid of muiu and/or the stock installation.
On my last phone (mi 9t) the roms / TWRP got so annoying that I bought the 7pro. Honestly the mist was fine for me. I wanted a better camera, but everything else was fine by me. The roms though weren't bearable anymore.
I switched to pixel to avoid those ... Stock it is. I didn't even root it, as lately I only used root for blocking adds and for that there are other ways ...

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Fact!! Me too, when I was very active in the Dev scene, here and on the old SDX-Developers site but really, those ROM's focused mostly on customizing and removing bloatware. Custom Boot screens, fonts, colors, embedded logos, etc and other than the guys who were developing kernels - which don't require custom ROMs - and the early development of ARM and EXT4, customizing can be done with stand-alone apps now, and with Pixel phones, there is no real bloatware.
The only thing I really wish for is Recovery. I'm still blown away that the TWRP Project more or less abandoned the project over the last few years.
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CWM and TWRP are a god send in the custom ROM world. I think part of the reason the project got abandoned is due to Google locking down Android. I can't even remove system apps now.

geokilla said:
CWM and TWRP are a god send in the custom ROM world. I think part of the reason the project got abandoned is due to Google locking down Android. I can't even remove system apps now.
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Yeah, true. The best option is to freeze them, and then find a mod to hide them. Another funny thing is that if you ran AOSP, it was like being a computer user that uses Linux instead of windows. Like me lol!
@Poerger the funny thing is the last custom ROMS I ran were on the Nexus 6, and I was part of a development team that was porting over MIUI. Lol. That was my preferred set up on several phones.