Hello,
I suspect I already know the answer to these questions, but wanted to post here for confirmation/a possible solution:
Currently I am using a Samsung Note 5 (Verizon) and I want to make a copy of all the data files associated with my device, particularly the text messaging conversation data files/database associated with Verizon's "Message+" texting app. I connected my phone to my PC via the charging cable and transferred all the files that were exposed via that interface (~3.5 GB of photos, web downloads, and other smaller miscellaneous data files), but none of these files contain the data I'm looking for.
Android correctly reports that it has 32 GB of storage-- I have approximately 1.5 GB free and combining that with the 3.5 GB I downloaded, there seems to be about 27 GB missing/unaccounted for.
Android further breaks down the memory usage:
System memory: (about 8.5 GB)
Apps: (about 16.5 GB)
... so it looks like the "Apps" and "System memory" storage is the data that is missing from the stock USB interface (and I suspect the database files I'm looking for are somewhere in the Apps tree)
So my question:
Is there a way to access the "System memory" and "Apps" storage data without rooting the phone? Ideally, read & write access would be nice, but currently I'm only looking for read access to those files.
Thanks,
MD
mdigitale said:
Hello,
I suspect I already know the answer to these questions, but wanted to post here for confirmation/a possible solution:
Currently I am using a Samsung Note 5 (Verizon) and I want to make a copy of all the data files associated with my device, particularly the text messaging conversation data files/database associated with Verizon's "Message+" texting app. I connected my phone to my PC via the charging cable and transferred all the files that were exposed via that interface (~3.5 GB of photos, web downloads, and other smaller miscellaneous data files), but none of these files contain the data I'm looking for.
Android correctly reports that it has 32 GB of storage-- I have approximately 1.5 GB free and combining that with the 3.5 GB I downloaded, there seems to be about 27 GB missing/unaccounted for.
Android further breaks down the memory usage:
System memory: (about 8.5 GB)
Apps: (about 16.5 GB)
... so it looks like the "Apps" and "System memory" storage is the data that is missing from the stock USB interface (and I suspect the database files I'm looking for are somewhere in the Apps tree)
So my question:
Is there a way to access the "System memory" and "Apps" storage data without rooting the phone? Ideally, read & write access would be nice, but currently I'm only looking for read access to those files.
Thanks,
MD
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No, it requires root to access system and data partitions on the device, there is no shortcut or workaround, only root.
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Thanks for taking the time to respond. I was afraid root was going to be required.
Normally I like the challenge of tweaking software to get access, but this is my primary phone and I can't risk the down time right now
Thanks again for the confirmation!
(PS. How do I get to this forum from the XDA-Developers.com site via the "Forums" menu? I can only find my post via Google search)
mdigitale said:
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I was afraid root was going to be required.
Normally I like the challenge of tweaking software to get access, but this is my primary phone and I can't risk the down time right now
Thanks again for the confirmation!
(PS. How do I get to this forum from the XDA-Developers.com site via the "Forums" menu? I can only find my post via Google search)
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Try using the XDA search box, type in your device name and device model number and it should find all forums and posts related to that device, if there are any.
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Interesting problem, hoping someone can add some info.
I have on occasion transferred files to my transformer via usb cable using the camera mode. The only limitation [I thought] at the time was that it would only give you access to the DCIM and Pictures folders, no big deal, just transfer files to other folders once they transferred.
Then today when I was trying to copy a large amount of data to my TF101 this one [multiple video files], I got an "out of memory error".
When I hit properties on the computer, it is registering those 2 folders on a different partition, with a total size of 4.1GB. Now since the TF does not show this, I am either thinking the base settings reads it and adds it to the system, or most likely it is virtual and a mechanism to simply give access to those 2 folders.
After a bit of trial and error, I found that even if my videos were moved [cut / paste] to a new folder, they were still linked to the other partition. Deleting the videos gave me back space, however I can not get more than 2GB free [of the 4.1].
So either there is an unresolved trash issue, or maybe 2GB was the max size available.
So questions:
1. Can someone [or multiple people] set their TF's to connect to the pc as a camera and do properties and report available space. Obviously interested if people can get the full 4.1 GB
2. If you can get the full 4.1 GB, any ideas how I can clear the 2 GBs of trash data [most likely].
SidereusOne said:
Interesting problem, hoping someone can add some info.
I have on occasion transferred files to my transformer via usb cable using the camera mode. The only limitation [I thought] at the time was that it would only give you access to the DCIM and Pictures folders, no big deal, just transfer files to other folders once they transferred.
Then today when I was trying to copy a large amount of data to my TF101 this one [multiple video files], I got an "out of memory error".
When I hit properties on the computer, it is registering those 2 folders on a different partition, with a total size of 4.1GB. Now since the TF does not show this, I am either thinking the base settings reads it and adds it to the system, or most likely it is virtual and a mechanism to simply give access to those 2 folders.
After a bit of trial and error, I found that even if my videos were moved [cut / paste] to a new folder, they were still linked to the other partition. Deleting the videos gave me back space, however I can not get more than 2GB free [of the 4.1].
So either there is an unresolved trash issue, or maybe 2GB was the max size available.
So questions:
1. Can someone [or multiple people] set their TF's to connect to the pc as a camera and do properties and report available space. Obviously interested if people can get the full 4.1 GB
2. If you can get the full 4.1 GB, any ideas how I can clear the 2 GBs of trash data [most likely].
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Why don't you mount as a portable media player, I can see both internal and external sd cards at 6.8 gb and 14 gb (of 16gb im guessing this is because of read/write file permissions). when mounted as a camera I get 6.8 gb but it doesn't show external storage.
I have a rooted XT912V Verizon Motorola Razr-Maxx (original).
This phone has safestrap 2.75. Recently updated to CM13. It has pico gapps and a core set of the typical Google apps we all LIKE vs the ones we dont
Anyways....
Developers mode is enabled. I am able to go into memory and storage (or APPS), and can move a few of the apps, but not many. The phone only has 2GB main storage, and every app downloaded from the store INSISTS on installing on this 2GB space. Its very irritating. The phone also has 8GB of internal storage space, non removable.
With that said, I have a few questions.
1.) Why can't I format the internal fixed 8GB as proprietary internal storage vs portable? There seems to be NO WAY to do this. (rather preposterous).
2.) Why do only some apps have the option to be moved and others dont? Is it a "System App" setting which disallows this? Can it be overwritten?
3.) Given the issues, why cant I change the memory space the phone uses for RAM to at least the built in 8GB? Can I partition the XD card (removable) and set it as part internal part portable?
Shame on Google for getting so sloppy with their software. Things like disk management and storage space, log file backups, and clean up should come and the first feature after providing an OS. Granted I am using CM, but I digress - its no better on stock on any of my other devices.
Thanks for any help you can provide. I googled, and searched on threads here. I'm really not looking to be pointed to a thread for an app that requires busybox and other hoops to be jumped through. I'm looking for information on why it is like this, is it being fixed, or is "fixing" it to make it MORE like this. Can I do this manually via adb? I'm not a linux novice but I have a lot to learn about Android and loading more apps on the phone from what I've read so far is unclear if it will work and continue to work. Some people have said in threads they move it manually after each app they load. I don't mind that, but I want to understand what makes an app declare itself as NON movable.
Thank you
noybman said:
I have a rooted XT912V Verizon Motorola Razr-Maxx (original).
This phone has safestrap 2.75. Recently updated to CM13. It has pico gapps and a core set of the typical Google apps we all LIKE vs the ones we dont
Anyways....
Developers mode is enabled. I am able to go into memory and storage (or APPS), and can move a few of the apps, but not many. The phone only has 2GB main storage, and every app downloaded from the store INSISTS on installing on this 2GB space. Its very irritating. The phone also has 8GB of internal storage space, non removable.
With that said, I have a few questions.
1.) Why can't I format the internal fixed 8GB as proprietary internal storage vs portable? There seems to be NO WAY to do this. (rather preposterous).
2.) Why do only some apps have the option to be moved and others dont? Is it a "System App" setting which disallows this? Can it be overwritten?
3.) Given the issues, why cant I change the memory space the phone uses for RAM to at least the built in 8GB? Can I partition the XD card (removable) and set it as part internal part portable?
Shame on Google for getting so sloppy with their software. Things like disk management and storage space, log file backups, and clean up should come and the first feature after providing an OS. Granted I am using CM, but I digress - its no better on stock on any of my other devices.
Thanks for any help you can provide. I googled, and searched on threads here. I'm really not looking to be pointed to a thread for an app that requires busybox and other hoops to be jumped through. I'm looking for information on why it is like this, is it being fixed, or is "fixing" it to make it MORE like this. Can I do this manually via adb? I'm not a linux novice but I have a lot to learn about Android and loading more apps on the phone from what I've read so far is unclear if it will work and continue to work. Some people have said in threads they move it manually after each app they load. I don't mind that, but I want to understand what makes an app declare itself as NON movable.
Thank you
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Hi,
I couldn't find much information about your device here. Try posting your query in
Android Q&A,Help and Troubleshooting
or in the Q&A thread here->[Ask Any Question][Newbie Friendly].
Experts there may be able to assist you.
Good luck
Art Vanderlay
XDA Assist
Good morning everyone,
A few months ago I bought a new phone: a samsung Grand prime. I'm so disappointed in this purchase.
Despite the fact that I added a memory card, I can't do anything with this phone. It's saturated 24 hours a day. I have to do the following at least 2 times: settings > device maintenance > storage > cleaning) to be able to continue using it.
The only applications I have managed to download are Facebook, instagram, whatsapp and viber. Nothing really crazy though. I can't access my photos anymore (I can't open the gallery because the storage space is supposedly insufficient) even though all my photos have been transferred to the card.
Does anyone have the same problem? And if not, what brand, model will you advise me?
Thank you for your help.
My goodness you bought a really really really old phone.. If I remember correctly 2014.. Or was it 2013.
Things is this. Apps have evolved to require more processing power.. And require more storage and ram and processing power.
I'm not sure if this is a new thread or a really old thread.. Im just surprised you can still buy this phone brand new in 2020.
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vivelasieste said:
Good morning everyone,
A few months ago I bought a new phone: a samsung Grand prime. I'm so disappointed in this purchase.
Despite the fact that I added a memory card, I can't do anything with this phone. It's saturated 24 hours a day. I have to do the following at least 2 times: settings > device maintenance > storage > cleaning) to be able to continue using it.
The only applications I have managed to download are Facebook, instagram, whatsapp and viber. Nothing really crazy though. I can't access my photos anymore (I can't open the gallery because the storage space is supposedly insufficient) even though all my photos have been transferred to the card.
Does anyone have the same problem? And if not, what brand, model will you advise me?
Thank you for your help.
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The apps that you listed are social media apps, social media apps are well known for demanding a lot from your devices hardware resources(CPU, RAM, etc). It is no surprise that your device struggles to keep up with demand with multiple social media apps installed, they are running constantly in the background even after you close them, they continually run in order to scan for notifications for those apps.
As for not being able to view your photos due to insufficient space. That may be because your device has a limited /data or cache partition. Even when viewing content that is stored on an external sdcard, it cannot be displayed unless it is loaded into your cache partition. If your cache partition does not have enough free space, it can't load or display the photo.
You can try partitioning your external sdcard to create a "swap" partition that acts as a type of RAM/cache in order to store actively loaded/running files/processes. This may give your device more "cache" to use.
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vash_h said:
My goodness you bought a really really really old phone.. If I remember correctly 2014.. Or was it 2013.
Things is this. Apps have evolved to require more processing power.. And require more storage and ram and processing power.
I'm not sure if this is a new thread or a really old thread.. Im just surprised you can still buy this phone brand new in 2020.
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Okay, that explains it, then, lol.
Unfortunately, it's a recent thread. I was on vacation in Africa, and I dropped my phone (oops). It was unusable. So I tried to buy a phone that wasn't too expensive and that I could still use.
I took this one at random, the salesman didn't really advise me either.
Droidriven said:
The apps that you listed are social media apps, social media apps are well known for demanding a lot from your devices hardware resources(CPU, RAM, etc). It is no surprise that your device struggles to keep up with demand with multiple social media apps installed, they are running constantly in the background even after you close them, they continually run in order to scan for notifications for those apps.
As for not being able to view your photos due to insufficient space. That may be because your device has a limited /data or cache partition. Even when viewing content that is stored on an external sdcard, it cannot be displayed unless it is loaded into your cache partition. If your cache partition does not have enough free space, it can't load or display the photo.
You can try partitioning your external sdcard to create a "swap" partition that acts as a type of RAM/cache in order to store actively loaded/running files/processes. This may give your device more "cache" to use.
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how do I partition my external card please?
I have no idea what I'm supposed to do.
vivelasieste said:
Good morning everyone,
A few months ago I bought a new phone: a samsung Grand prime. I'm so disappointed in this purchase.
Despite the fact that I added a memory card, I can't do anything with this phone. It's saturated 24 hours a day. I have to do the following at least 2 times: settings > device maintenance > storage > cleaning) to be able to continue using it.
The only applications I have managed to download are Facebook, instagram, whatsapp and viber. Nothing really crazy though. I can't access my photos anymore (I can't open the gallery because the storage space is supposedly insufficient) even though all my photos have been transferred to the card.
Does anyone have the same problem? And if not, what brand, model will you advise me?
Thank you for your help.
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I had such a problem with the old phone, try to find something new.
For instance:
Samsung Galaxy M21;
Samsung Galaxy Note 10 Lite;
Samsung Galaxy A41;
Samsung Galaxy A51
My phone (Samsung Galaxy On5) has over 200 mb of storage free, & it still alerts me daily that I'm running low on storage. If I try to install anything from the play store, even something that's less than a MB in size it displays a popup asking me to uninstall a bunch of apps to make room. I just installed something on another device then transferred it over to this one (saved on SD so It's not taking up any internal space) & tried to sideload it & it still wouldn't install it. Is there a fix? It seems to me like Google has no real interest in fixing major issues with Android that have existed practically since the beginning like devices being "low on storage" while Android is the top mobile OS. Perhaps if something like Pinephone would actually succeed & give Android some competition Google would care & address the issues? /r (By the way, there really should be an '<r> </r>' tag.)
tsaxda said:
My phone (Samsung Galaxy On5) has over 200 mb of storage free, & it still alerts me daily that I'm running low on storage. If I try to install anything from the play store, even something that's less than a MB in size it displays a popup asking me to uninstall a bunch of apps to make room. I just installed something on another device then transferred it over to this one (saved on SD so It's not taking up any internal space) & tried to sideload it & it still wouldn't install it.
the issues? /r (By the way, there really should be an '<r> </r>' tag.)
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Well yeah, 200MB is definitely low on storage. And this message can certainly be annoying but it's not a bug, but a "security" mesure, if you need to take a photo or something, or if an app needs more space to run, it'd be a good thing to have 200MB leftover.
Nowadays apps can take >200Mb just for cache so yeah, it's considered nothing. I personally try to keep at least 1GB free.
Have you checked your storage whether something can be deleted? This is a great app for showing you storage use
You can put in up to a 256 gb SD card, what are you waiting for?
Use internal memory for the OS, programs and downloads (temporarily).
Use the SD card as the data drive.
Yeh, Up to 256 gb SD card should work a treat...
galaxys said:
Yeh, Up to 256 gb SD card should work a treat...
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10+ takes up to 1 tb, put a Lexar .5 tb V30 in it for $75. Not too shabby... daul drives are a beautiful thing. Can do a full reload now with no PC and little or no internet connection; completely self contained.
Very cool indeed!
galaxys said:
Very cool indeed!
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The newer generations of Samsung's are capable of very faster read/write times on a fast sd card.
The 10+ shows no lag when using media files off the card. Literally have over 200 albums stored as .wav files there and movies too.
Provides a little bit of a buffer too from malware getting into the data; I've picked off a couple in the downloads folder before they got going including a jpeg. The whole card is backed up on the PC and a 2nd hdd... just in case.
Lol, have an old Dell e6400 laptop I picked up cheap. Just realized 3 weeks ago I could swap out the DVD/CD player for a hot swappable hdd insert tray... $100 latter it now has a 2tb data drive. Split the page file between the two for now, OS and data speeds are a lot better.
You can -never- have too many internal bays on any device, only not enough.
blackhawk said:
Use the SD card as the data drive.
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What do you mean by "set it as the data drive"?
The problem is I factory reset because of being low on storage, & left off a lot of the apps I had before & I'm still every bit as low on storage as I was before if not more. What am I supposed to do when I'm not the one at fault for my phone being low on storage? I would root so I could rip out all of the samsung bloat but A. I can't afford to buy a new phone should something go wrong, & B. I don't think the galaxy On5 has a 1-click root which means having to use a windows computer which I don't have.
Android phones have an in-built feature known as Adoptable Storage, which enables users to add an extra layer of storage space for music, pictures, videos, files, and so on.
The interesting thing is that the Adoptable Storage feature allows SD cards to serve as a permanent internal storage medium. This means that everything you save on your phone will be moved to the external storage (SD card) you mounted, and not your phone's internal storage. With SD cards in play, you never have to worry about your phone's storage getting full, and developing lagging problems.
I looked it up & from what I can tell it's disabled on my phone (Thanks again Samsung.). So that's not an option. Yet another reason to steer clear of Sammy if at all possible. I remember Google saying when they gave the first presentation on android that they wouldn't allow preinstalled, un-removable, then they did, & still do.
tsaxda said:
The problem is I factory reset because of being low on storage, & left off a lot of the apps I had before & I'm still every bit as low on storage as I was before if not more. What am I supposed to do when I'm not the one at fault for my phone being low on storage? I would root so I could rip out all of the samsung bloat but A. I can't afford to buy a new phone should something go wrong, & B. I don't think the galaxy On5 has a 1-click root which means having to use a windows computer which I don't have.
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I use 20gb just for apps, caches and a tempory download folder. So if you 16gb of memory yeah I see the issue and had to trim the the tree with S4+ before.
Use this package disabler:
Home - Package Disabler
The only NON-root solution that let’s you disable any unwanted packages that come pre-installed / installed with your phone / tablet.
www.packagedisabler.com
Disable crap you don't need and then use that same app to clear it's data. The app is still there just not running and sucking up memory by adding more via data/cache.
Clear browser cache regularly, limit the phone to two browsers max. Clear data regularly on gmaps if you don't need that data or disable if you don't use it. Police the caches regularly, SD Maid (16mb) does a good job.
As for your music, vids, documents, pics, put all of that on an SD card.
Although you can use the SD card as internal memory as jwoegerbauer points out it's best not to unless you can't avoid it. You may have to though if you can't live without some of those large user installed apps.
I could cut my 10+ down to 14gb internal if I had too... so can you.
There are apps I rarely use. As pointed out already you should have at least 1gb of free space preferably 2gb or more head room.
Sort it out as what you're doing now isn't good Android husbandry.
tsaxda said:
I looked it up & from what I can tell it's disabled on my phone (Thanks again Samsung.). So that's not an option. Yet another reason to steer clear of Sammy if at all possible.
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Not on your model without root apperantly.
How to adopt SD card as internal storage on Samsung devices?
I recently upgraded to 6.0.1 Marshmallow on my Galaxy S5 and I would like to adopt an SD card as internal storage. However, there is no option to do this. When I format the SD card, there is no "
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It can cause operational issues anyway including crashes. Try to use the KISS (keep it simple studip) principle whenever possible to limit things that can go wrong.
tsaxda said:
I looked it up & from what I can tell it's disabled on my phone (Thanks again Samsung.). So that's not an option. Yet another reason to steer clear of Sammy if at all possible. I remember Google saying when they gave the first presentation on android that they wouldn't allow preinstalled, un-removable, then they did, & still do.
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Whether Adoptable Storage is default feature on a phone or not can easily queried with following ADB command sequence:
Code:
adb devices
adb shell "sm has-adoptable"
If true is returned than phone has this feature.
tsaxda said:
My phone (Samsung Galaxy On5) has over 200 mb of storage free, & it still alerts me daily that I'm running low on storage. If I try to install anything from the play store, even something that's less than a MB in size it displays a popup asking me to uninstall a bunch of apps to make room. I just installed something on another device then transferred it over to this one (saved on SD so It's not taking up any internal space) & tried to sideload it & it still wouldn't install it. Is there a fix? It seems to me like Google has no real interest in fixing major issues with Android that have existed practically since the beginning like devices being "low on storage" while Android is the top mobile OS. Perhaps if something like Pinephone would actually succeed & give Android some competition Google would care & address the issues? /r (By the way, there really should be an '<r> </r>' tag.)
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200mb its nothing storage broh
Google forces people to have at least 500mb of free space saying "some crashes may happen" (they actually don't and if they do I/people can manage that).
Freed up all space on phone, removed all files, removed almost all apps, but space used up (probably by internal partitions such as /data /system etc) increases so:
I mostly can't ****ing use phone any more;
can't install any app (even from USB, yeah I unchecked the damn "protect device" options),
can't enable ADB (because of some other WebView error, which too is related to how google/android works, can't access Dev Settings, they always crash , yes even with >500mb of free space),
can't view email (only in Gmail) (without a workaround,
can't download files (only in Google Drive) and so on...
Clearly this is a google problem, I wish I (and anybody else) never had to use an android/iphone etc.
When rooted etc, all this was never a problem, I also even could do all until there was actually 0mb available.
I need to do this to test some app I'd like to develop.
I can root, etc. each phone, but I'd rather keep putting it off (as I'm developing a hatred for all this, including anti user technology)
@StackExploit
It's NOT Google who notifies you when your Android device has less than 500MB free storage space, but Android OS.
The Android >=500MB free storage space rule is because of 'operating capital' - it needs space to store temporary files as you use apps, it needs space to download updates to and space to store the uncompressed update files prior to installing them ( it should delete the compressed and uncompressed update files automatically after install ), etc.pp.
If Android's storage memory is 32GB ( 32,768MB ) then 500MB correspond to ~2%, if it's 16GB ( 16,384MB ) then it corresponds to ~3%. IMO ridiculously low shares. Take note that Windows & Mac computers have the at minimum 10% free space rule.
In answer to your actual question: I don't believe there's a way around this restriction. Not unless you had rooted and used a custom ROM that specifically mentioned that as a feature. Even if you could bypass it, you'd probably run into other problems (e.g. performance) as a consequence.
Yes, of course, I didn't mention this need of space for temp files (which most often don't take up anywhere near as much as 500mb), because I explained instead for example that I can manage if things crash. These files should be in RAM instead when possible anyway(!).
Well, the min storage is 3% but so what when you can't upgrade any parts like storage and external storage is still lagging behind in so many cases. The higher prices for devices with more (of the same non removable) internal storage are ridiculous.