[Q] NTSC or PAL rear view camera? - MTCD Android Head Units Q&A

Hi guys and gals,
I have an MTCE LM HU and I am interested in buying a rear view camera.
I noticed most sellers saying that they send NTSC by default, and just leave a comment if PAL is required.
Based on your experience, before asking my seller, is it common among these chinese HU to support only NTSC / only PAL or even both?
Thanks!

They generally support both, but all will support NTSC so just order that

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Light sensor is a VGA Camera?

Hi All,
if this has been covered in another post I couldn't find it.
I was reading a review from mobiletechaddicts.com and they state in the review "There is also a little VGA camera that few people will use that has, I think, been put to use as a light sensor."
I've read that somewhere that euro versions of the phone can make video calls - did they just tweak the US version of the camera and call it a 'light sensor'?
Any feedback would be interesting to hear..
(http://mobiletechaddicts.com/2009/06/06/htc-touch-pro-2-review/)
No. US phones do not have the camera.

Do these cheap ICS dongles show native 1080p image or is it upscaled?

I want to buy a very cheap, used Android TV stick for one reason only: to play 1080p video with subtitles on my HDTV. The only thing holding me back is the fear that the manufacturers aware of the limits of their hardware somehow blocked native 1080p feed and instead allow some upscaling. What is it like from your experience?
maciek1988 said:
I want to buy a very cheap, used Android TV stick for one reason only: to play 1080p video with subtitles on my HDTV. The only thing holding me back is the fear that the manufacturers aware of the limits of their hardware somehow blocked native 1080p feed and instead allow some upscaling. What is it like from your experience?
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Hello Maciek,
While I have limited experience with Android HDMI sticks; the one i have (MK809IV 2GB Ram / 8GB Storage) does unfortunately upscale from 720p. However, on the bright side; it does lower bandwidth usage and lower network activity if you're worried about that. I think your best bet is to purchase a $150 USD Android Tablet with a 1080p screen by default and a Micro HDMI out port. I hope you find this information helpful.
Pixel~
iPixelation said:
Hello Maciek,
While I have limited experience with Android HDMI sticks; the one i have (MK809IV 2GB Ram / 8GB Storage) does unfortunately upscale from 720p. However, on the bright side; it does lower bandwidth usage and lower network activity if you're worried about that. I think your best bet is to purchase a $150 USD Android Tablet with a 1080p screen by default and a Micro HDMI out port. I hope you find this information helpful.
Pixel~
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Do you think this upscaling could be disabled by tinkering with the system files?
maciek1988 said:
Do you think this upscaling could be disabled by tinkering with the system files?
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Possibly; if you use a different ROM for the device (although it's tedious and a pain to do if it's your first time; plus, there's the risk of breaking your device)....
Pixel~

USB Dashcam for MTCD Advice.

Very surprised that there is not much info on this, was looking for a usb dashcam solution to plug into Joying units usb to use as DVR.
Any Advice?
Needs to have night vision and decent FOV.
Thanks
gersrt said:
Very surprised that there is not much info on this, was looking for a usb dashcam solution to plug into Joying units usb to use as DVR.
Any Advice?
Needs to have night vision and decent FOV.
Thanks
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I use a Logitech c920, FOV is great, It doesnt have IR night vision, (that wouldnt work properly with the headlights on anyway I guess), however it seems to work fine in the dark. When I get a chance I will upload a video.
Also, the built in DVR app is dog ****, i use an app from the play store called AutoBoy. It records the camera but also tracks your location which is handy, the other killer feature for me is that it allows you to flip the camera feed 180 degrees, which allows me to mount the camera upside down on the windscreen.
Josh
Great Feedback Josh Thanks.
If you do get a chance that would be great I would like to see fov and image quality.
Thanks Again
gersrt said:
Great Feedback Josh Thanks.
If you do get a chance that would be great I would like to see fov and image quality.
Thanks Again
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No problems. i just need to pull the car up to the house and upload to youtube (you can do this direct from AutoBoy app) at some point. Give me a few hours and I will try and get it done.
gersrt said:
Very surprised that there is not much info on this, was looking for a usb dashcam solution to plug into Joying units usb to use as DVR.
Any Advice?
Needs to have night vision and decent FOV.
Thanks
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If its the ROCKCHIP/ARM CPU, then don't waste your time with a dashcam. Those things don't have video encoders, and you can't just capture raw. Means that you'll be software-encoding the video with the super-weak CPU. The performance hit is debilitating. I've been periodically tinkering with the idea of skipping the android layer and using ffmpeg to capture the stream directly, but hard to find the time needed to work on it.
If you get the INTEL unit, it DOES have a video encoder, AND has a much stronger CPU, it can do dashcamming much easier.
So a Logitech c920 (that does x.264 in hardware) won't work well?
Only asking because I was just getting ready to buy one for that very purpose...
DudeInMyrtleBeach said:
So a Logitech c920 (that does x.264 in hardware) won't work well?
Only asking because I was just getting ready to buy one for that very purpose...
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The hardware encoder will not help you on the rockchip head unit if you go through Android to capture video. It will perform simultaneous decode and encode on the CPU before storing the video file.
Also FYI: It definitely does NOT do x264 in hardware. It will do H.264.
x264 is an open source SOFTWARE H.264 encoder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X264
doitright said:
The hardware encoder will not help you on the rockchip head unit if you go through Android to capture video. It will perform simultaneous decode and encode on the CPU before storing the video file.
Also FYI: It definitely does NOT do x264 in hardware. It will do H.264.
x264 is an open source SOFTWARE H.264 encoder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X264
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Thanks for clearing this up for me. I really appreciate it! Sounds like that's out. I thought so anyway. It seems that we need to keep as much of a load off these head units as possible to conserve resources... That's ok, I had a plan 'B' anyway lol.
To be honest I've not found the performance hit to be that much at all. I have it running in the background all the time and apart from the splash screen when Autoboy loads I hardly know its there. I've not had any major laggyness with my MTCD for a while now, since Malaysk v6 probably and v7 (based on the last joying rom) is even better.
Hi, I've tried a HD camera but the problem it has the time stamp as well as GPS coordinates and I can't change them, I think the problem is the camera needs to comunicate with the car unit. Other problem was the image quality, I'm not 100% satisfied...so I've bought a Ambarela mini 0805(for 47€). Need to test it, it's on the way ...expect to get it this week. I'll post the results with sample video and images.

Some Guy's Review: Smartisan Nut R1 vs. OnePlus 6

Well, it has been sometime since I have done a Some Guy Review. It's actually been years, so let's see if I still got what it takes to review these 2 equally great phones.
As always, I have no brand loyalty or affiliation. I bought the phones with my own dime, so it's not like I am "hamming" it up for a company that sent me a free phone or swag. I'm neither Fanboy or iSheep, use both Apple products and Android on a daily basis. These our my observations based on "real world" usage. Although I'll refer to some stats and specifications, I won't AnTuTu or whatever you to death. With that, here's the tale of the tape:
OnePlus 6
Basic parameters
Dimensions
155.7x75.4x7.75 mm
Weight
6.2 ounces (177g)
Material
Glass
Colors
Mirror Black/ Midnight Black/ Silk White / Red
Operating System
OxygenOS based on Android™ Oreo
CPU
Qualcomm® Snapdragon 845 (Octa-core, 10nm, up to 2.8 GHz), within AIE
GPU
Adreno 630
Notification Light
RGB LED notification light
Vibration
Haptic vibration motor
RAM
6 GB / 8 GB LPDDR4X
Storage
UFS 2.1 2-LANE 64 GB / 128 GB / 256 GB
Sensors
Fingerprint, Hall, Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Proximity, RGB Ambient Light Sensor, Electronic Compass, Sensor Core
Ports
USB 2.0, Type-C, Support USB Audio
Dual nano-SIM slot
3.5 mm audio jack
Battery
3300 mAh (non-removable) Fast Charging (5V 4A)
Buttons
Gestures and on-screen navigation support Alert Slider
Audio
Bottom-facing speaker
Noise cancellation support
Dirac HD Sound®
Dirac Power Sound®
Unlock Options
Fingerprint
Face Unlock
Connectivity
LTE/LTE-A
DL 4CA/256QAM, UL CA/64QAM, 4x4 MIMO
Supports up to DL CAT16/ UL CAT13 (1Gbps/150 Mbps) depending on carrier support
Bands
FDD LTE:
Band 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/17/18/19/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66/71
TDD LTE: Band 34/38/39/40/41
TD-SCDMA: Band 34/39
UMTS(WCDMA): Band 1/2/4/5/8/9/19
CDMA: BC0/BC1
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Check carrier compatibility
Wi-Fi
2x2 MIMO, Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, 2.4G/5G
Bluetooth
Bluetooth 5.0, support aptX & aptX HD
NFC
NFC enabled
Positioning
GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou, Galileo
Display
Size: 6.28 inches (The corners of the screen are within a standard rectangle. Measured diagonally, the screen size is 6.28 inches in the full rectangle and 6.12 inches accounting for the rounded corners.)
Resolution: 2280 x 1080 pixels
Aspect Ratio: 19:9
Type: Optic AMOLED
Support sRGB, DCI-P3
Cover Glass: 2.5D Corning® Gorilla® Glass 5
Features
Adaptive Mode
Reading Mode
Night Mode
Lift Up Display
Camera
Rear Camera - Main
Sensor: Sony IMX 519
Megapixels: 16
Pixel Size: 1.22 µm
OIS: Yes
EIS: Yes
Autofocus: DCAF
Aperture: f/1.7
Rear Camera - Secondary
Sensor: Sony IMX 376K
Megapixels: 20
Pixel Size: 1.0 µm
Autofocus: PDAF
Aperture: f/1.7
Flash
Dual LED Flash
Video
4K resolution video at 30/60 fps
1080P resolution video at 30/60 fps
720P resolution video at 30 fps
Super Slow Motion: 1080p video at 240 fps, 720p video at 480 fps
Time-Lapse
Video Editor
Features
Portrait, Pro Mode, Panorama, HDR, HQ, Dynamic Denoise, Clear Image, RAW Image
Front Camera
Front Camera
Sensor: Sony IMX 371
Megapixels: 16
Pixel Size: 1.0 µm
EIS: Yes
Autofocus: Fixed Focus
Aperture: f/2.0
Video
1080P resolution video at 30 fps
720P resolution video at 30 fps
Time-Lapse
Features
Portrait, HDR, Screen Flash, Smile Capture, Face Beauty②
Multimedia
Audio Supported Formats
Playback: MP3, AAC, AAC+, WMA, AMR-NB, AMR-WB, WAV, FLAC, APE, OGG, MID, M4A, IMY
Video Supported Formats
Playback: MKV, MOV, MP4, H.265(HEVC), AVI, WMV, TS, 3GP, FLV, WEBM
Recording: MP4
Image Supported Formats
Playback: JPEG, PNG, BMP, GIF
Output: JPEG
Smartisan Nut R1
Capacity and memory
LPDDR4X dual channel
UFS 2.1
6 + 64 version
6GB of memory
64GB body storage
6 + 128 version
6GB of memory
128GB body storage
8 + 128 version
8GB of memory
128GB body storage
8 + 512 version
8GB of memory
512GB body storage
8 + 1T version
8GB of memory
1TB body storage
Body size and weight
Height = 153.3mm
Width = 74.5mm
Thickness = 7.9mm
Weight = 170g
Processor platform
Qualcomm® SnapdragonTM 845 processor
10nm advanced process
Single core frequency up to 2.8GHz
AdrenoTM 630 graphics processor with clock speed up to 700MHz
Equipped with artificial intelligence engine (AI Engine)
Cellular network
Dual card dual standby full Netcom
All Netcom supports China Mobile, China Unicom and China Telecom
Support VoLTE high quality broadband calls
Support for three-carrier aggregation
Support for LTE B41 4x4 MIMO
Network standard Support band
4G FDD-LTE B1 / B2 / B3 / B4 / B5 / B7 / B8 / B12 / B17 / B18 / B19 / B20 / B25 / B26 / B28
TD-LTE B34 / B38 / B39 / B40 / B41 (Note: B41 supports 2535MHz-2655MHz band)
3G WCDMA B1 / B2 / B3 / B4 / B5 / B6 / B8 / B9 / B19
TD-SCDMA B34 / B39
CDMA BC0 / BC1 / BC6
2G GSM B2 / B3 / B5 / B8
CDMA 1X BC0 / BC1 / BC6
Dual card support and full Netcom
Dual Nano-SIM card slot, any card slot can be set as the main card
Dual card is not limited to operators, can be 4G in the network
Support mobile, China Unicom, Telecom 4G+/4G/3G/2G
Support dual-card dual standby VoLTE, support China Mobile, China Telecom VoLTE HD voice service
Support China Telecom dual card VoLTE standby
Note: The VoLTE service needs to be activated at the same time as the primary and secondary cards. If the secondary card is not activated, there will be no service, and the primary card will not be affected.
SIM card installation instructions:
Nut R1 mobile phone uses Nano-SIM card
Insert the card pin to eject the card slot
Two Nano-SIM cards can be placed
The Nano-SIM card obtained with the card cutter may cause a bad communication signal, and the resulting problem is not covered by Hammer Technology's warranty.
Wireless and network
802.11 a/b/g/n/ac wireless network supporting 2.4 + 5GHz band
Support for WLAN 2x2 MIMO
Support WiFi Direct and WiFi Display
Bluetooth 5.0
GPS / Assisted GPS, GLONASS, Beidou Positioning System
Support wireless network positioning and cellular network positioning
NFC+eSE, support for card reading, card writing, card emulation and P2P mode
Battery and fast charge
Typical value 3600mAh
Support QuickCharge 4+ 18W fast charging
Support PD3.0 charging protocol
Support fast wireless charging, peak output power up to 10W
screen
6.17-inch In-Cell Full HD display
2242 x 1080 resolution, 403 ppi
Corning® 3rd Generation Gorilla® Glass
1500:1 contrast ratio (typical)
96% NTSC color gamut (typical)
Full coverage Display P3 wide color gamut
Support sunlight screen, clearer viewing under strong light
Support eye protection mode, reduce screen blue light
Support for adjusting screen color temperature
Support pressure sensing touch
Unlock and fingerprint
Fingerprint unlock
Rear capacitive fingerprint reader
Response speed of 0.17s
Up to 10 fingerprints can be entered
Support WeChat and Alipay fingerprint payment
Face unlock
Front camera face recognition
1024 feature dimensions can be detected
Face++ contempt face recognition algorithm
Rear camera
12 million pixels + 20 megapixel dual camera
Double high index flash
ArcSoft real-time background blurring algorithm
Almalence super resolution algorithm
TDK Invensense Video Image Stabilization Algorithm
HDR high dynamic range adjustment technology
Main camera
Sony IMX363 sensor
12 million pixels
1.4 μm large pixel size
ƒ/1.8 large aperture
6-piece lens
Support 4-axis optical image stabilization
Support Dual PD speed focusing
Secondary camera
Sony IMX350 sensor
20 million pixels
1 μm pixel size
ƒ/1.75 large aperture
6-piece lens
Front camera
24 million pixel four-in-one front camera
ƒ/2.0 aperture
ArcSoft background blur algorithm
AI real-time beauty algorithm
Video shooting
Front camera: 1080p FHD video camera, 30 frames per second
Main camera: 4K (resolution 3840 × 2160) video camera, 30 frames per second
1080p FHD slow motion video camera, 120 frames per second
Audio Player
AI intelligent noise reduction chip
Stereo surround sound release system
Types of Support audio file format Support audio decoding format
audio format MP3, AAC, AMR, DTS AAC/AAC+/eAAC+, MP3, NB-AMR, WB-AMR, DTS
Lossless format AIFF, ALAC(Apple Lossless), FLAC, APE, WAV, DFF, DSF ————
Video playback
Encoding Support audio encoding format Support video file format Details
HEVC (H.265) AAC-LC .mp4, .mkv, .webm, .ts, .3gp Support 1080P, 240 fps
up to 4K (4096X2160) resolution 60 fps
Main Profile 8 bit up to level 6
Main Profile 10 bit up to level 6
H.264 .mp4, .mkv, .webm, .ts, .3gp, .mov Support 1080P, 240fps
up to 4K (4096X2160) resolution
60fps up to Level 5.2 encoding
H.263 .mp4, .avi, .3gp, .mov Up to Profile 0, Level 70
MPEG-2 .avi, .mkv, .webm, .ts Up to 1080P, 30fps, Main Profile encoding
MPEG-4 .mp4, .mkv, .webm, .avi, .3gp, .mov Up Simple Profile Level 6 encoding
up to Advanced Profile Level 5 coding
VP8 AAC-LC, Vorbis .webm Support 1080P 120fps
up to 4K (4096X2160) resolution 30fps
Profile 0 (Main), Version 0-3
VP9 .webm Support 1080P 240fps
up to 4K (4096X2160) resolution 60fps
Profile 0 8-bit
up to level 5.1 Profile 2 10-bit
up to level 5.1
Xvid .avi, .mkv Advanced simple profile up to level 5
Sensors and algorithms
Gyro
Gravity sensor
Geomagnetic sensor
Ambient light sensor
Hall sensor
Ultrasonic proximity sensing algorithm
AI audio noise reduction algorithm
Touch and feedback
Support pressure sensitive touch technology
Linear vibration motor
Support 72 scenes, 21 vibration effects
operating system
Smartisan OS based on AndroidTM deep customization
Supported languages: Chinese Simplified, Chinese Traditional, English, Japanese, Korean
Review to Continue on next post :good:
Review
Design
Looking at both phones, they're strikingly different, each with their pluses and minuses. Both are "notch" phones which absolutely does not bother me. I know some people have like nightmares about phone notches sneaking into their house at night and murdering their families... I do "not-ch". Hahahaha. Anyway, the OP6 goes with the curved rounded edges whereas the Nut R1, that's right "Nut" R1, goes with the candy bar straight rectangle look akin to Sony Xperia many iterations. Neither are revolutionary by any means, its just preference. The OP6 is definitely heavier by stats but feels more so in hand then the Nut R1. The OP6 is slightly larger too. Both not too large where its a must to use 2 hands all the time, but for my comfort, the Nut R1 feels better. Nut R1 goes with individual buttons for power, volume, etc. The OP6 has the rocker button for sound and the very impressive programmable slider button. The Nut R1 does have a special button on its left hand side but at least for me now (until maybe I figure a few things out) I can't change it to be used for something useful yet, so really it's a space waster. OP6 notch is larger as well. NOTCH!!!!!!!!!
UPDATE 07/14 - Figured out the special button on the Nut R1! Boy was I wrong! This button along with some other button press combinations allows you quick access to 2 features that are only found on the Nut R1. The first is call "Idea Pills." Essentially, throughout your normal day, if you have to jot something down or need to make not of something, pressing and holding the button allows you to make a voice note. It then transcribes that note which then can be used in the note app, the calendar app or any host of other apps. You can make voice recordings all day then simply with a right to left swipe of the screen on the right hand edge, you can see all your notes and reminders. It's pretty cool. Of course, other button combos with this special button do other functions: with power button is screen shot, with up volume can turn on the phones flashlight and then with volume down + special button gives you direct access to a very slick and cool feature called "one step." One Step is a cut- paste drag & drop feature that lets you fairly seamlessly send messages, access your favorite apps & contacts, etc. while linking them to your pictures, notes, etc. There's a pre-loaded video that is in Chinese of course but you can idea by what the person is doing in the video. Awesome!
Verdict: Dead Heat - I favor the design of the Nut R1 slightly more however it having a Bixby button that right now I can't program sucks. OP6's slider button is awesome! Hard to pick a winner....
UPDATED Verdict: Nut R1 - Knowing the idea pills and one step feature now makes this phone a productivity champ with the special button... Bixby Button it is not!
Display
From the stats, both phones have similar resolutions. The OP6 of course has AMOLED FHD+ as opposed to the Nut R1's FHD+ IPS LCD. OP6 display is slightly larger (thus the slightly better pixel count). This is definitely one of the most subjective portions of the review. For me, even though the OP6 had the AMOLED Display and AMOLED is just better and we're supposed to just accept that. The Nut R1 out of box with no tweaking (like putting into different mode or putting sRBG on) looks truer. Whites look white and blacks look black. OP6 has a larger chin especially if you opted to lose the the virtual buttons on the Nut R1 for gestures. Both have a hide notch mode for the upper portion of the screen however the notch for the Nut R1 is significantly smaller. Both handle the notch differently for alerts. The Nut R1 acts as if it is one complete screen across the top opting to show the alerts with a void where the notch is as opposed to treating the before and after notch screen portions as 2 completely separate spaces like the OP6. I'm not 100% sure of which way I prefer but there's definitely a difference. The Nut R1 seems brighter in the sun although there's no lumen stats to compare which one should be brighter. The one failure that the Smartisan R1 does have is that the polarizer over the display was applied in the wrong direction or maybe is not there at all... what does that mean? Well, if you put on a pair of polarized sunglasses, guess what, black screen unless you angle the phone in an awkward position to see. I have reached out to Smartisan on this and awaiting their reply. Plan on trying a tempered glass screen protector to see if that helps.
UPDATE 07/14 - Tried tempered glass screen protector and it fixed the polarization issue! Even though I can never put one of these on without some dust or something getting caught under the screen. Ordering a few more so I can hopefully put one on cleanly. Talking to Smartisan, they're gonna send me some protectors too, just have to pay for shipping (as soon as they figure out how I can do that)! Still gonna say that the OP6 is the better display, however with a cleanly placed screen protector on it it makes it super hard not to change the verdict!
Verdict: OnePlus 6 - The Polarizer issue is a non-started for me as all my sunglasses are polarized. It's slightly better that I have Android Auto so I don't necessarily have to deal with it too much in the car. However, during an outside concert or festival, etc. so annoying to have to lift off my sunglasses just to use the phone. Stay tuned, this may change if there's a simple workaround. Otherwise, for inside use not having to deal with sunglasses, my preference is the Nut R1.
Camera
As I always try to state before diving face first into the shallow pool of phone cameras, I am not a fan of phone cameras as opposed to actual cameras. I went to school for photography so it is quite hard for me to say " this phone take better pictures than this phone..." Both / All, IMO, are grainy noisy messes compared to their actual camera counterparts. With that said, this is another area where I feel both phones are fairly equal. OP6 uses a 16M + 20M f/1.7f dual rear camera setup. The Nut R1 uses a slightly less spec'd 12M + 20M f/1.8 & f/1.75 setup. The Nut R1 however crushes the OP6 with its 24M f/2.0 front camera as opposed to OP6's 16M f/2.0 front camera. What's this all mean? Nothing.. We're talking about some small differences here with the rear camera setups. Spec-wise the OP6 is better, but a lot also goes into what software is processing the pictures for you. I will post some test shots in a later post. As far as the camera software themselves, both are fairly decent with their share of annoyances and/or postives. The Nut R1 requires you to rifle through the different modes to get to the setup menu, minor annoyance. The OP 6 software feels more basic though whereas the Nut R1 looks more professional. I am not going to make a judgement. I'll just post samples of each and let you tell me. For video, OP6 does let you shoot at 60fps for 4K. The built-in software for the Nut R1 only allows 30fps at 4K. Not a huge deal, I am sure the Nut R1 has the 60fps capability which may work with other camera softwares, it just not there out of the box. I don't necessarily do that mush video recording where the 4K difference is going to hurt me, but that's me... again your decision. I will update this section a little more after the the test shots as I dig deeper which both cameras.
Verdict: Is Still Out! - I'll let you look at test shots. I'll update and then maybe decide on which is better IMO.
Software / Essentials
This always the hardest section to write about as I could fill a book looking at both phones take on Android Oreo. Here's the thing, I'm gonna touch on what I feel gives a person interested in the 2 phones a good understanding and leave the details to anyone that wants to comment later. :silly: As most are aware OP6 runs OxygenOS, pretty vanilla take on Android Oreo without very major differences from what runs on the Pixels... It's definitely one of the better OS takes on Android out there. Styled nicely with great customization and unlocking capability for our developer community. Stable, nice however maybe a little boring. SmartisanOS on the Nut R1 is your quintessential chinese born ROM OS. High customization so much so that it can make your head spin. Strict focus on battery saving and notification light experience means you definitely have to do some tweaking to get things the way you like it.
What's the same between the two?
1. Both are fast. No lag to speak of. This ain't touchlagwiz
2. Both allow for 3rd party launchers fairly easily. Sometimes this is not so easy with china born phones but not in this case
3. As far as I can see, good support on updates... Got 2 so far from Smartisan, one as soon as I setup the phone and the other yesterday, fairly quick considering I only had it about 5 days. OP6 has had 2 updates. OnePlus has been notorious for supporting updates frequently when a new product launches but then dropping support for older models. They have vowed to change that but so far so good.
4. Both have Face Unlock & Fingerprint Unlock as well. I believe that OnePlus would contend that their Face Unlock is more secure and it probably is. The fingerprint scanner of the Nut R1 is huge making it very easy for scanning placement whereas the OP6 is a little undersized. Nut R1 used their branding as a functional part of the phone... quite clever!
What's Different?
1. SmartisanOS out of the box does not come with google services or play store, it is however very easy to install and get your favorite play store google apps cooking.
2. Google Pay does not work. This is standard for China Born ROMs and won't change until such time that Google Pay is allowed in China. I have a Gear S3 watch that I just setup Samsung Pay on as my workaround.
3. Notification Shade toggles off between either toggle buttons like your bluetooth, data, airplane mode, etc. or notifications shade... no stack like most are used to... not a big deal, but some might be bothered
4. No Notifications on the lock screen or at least I haven't figured out how yet. With face unlock being so fast, I never hardly see the lockscreen anyway.
5. Notifications in shade won't let you expand them in the shade.
6. Shade color and theme not changeable and it is white on Nut R1
7. Cannot change default messaging app on Nut R1. The default app is fairly nice and you can always install Android Messaging. Android messages does work just not as default
8. The Nut R1 (and actually any Smartisan phone) are not water resistant or water-proof. This was confirmed by Smartisan's Customer Service. Doesn't really bother me since I don't even try to get "waterproof" phones wet. $500 plus experiment whether your phone is waterproof or not, no thank you. At any rate, don't go jumping in a pool with the Nut R1 in your pocket! :crying:
Items Left to be Explored on the Nut R1
1. Smartisan says they support openSSL and that they have no issues with bootloader unlock. They said details are in the openSSL forum. Just don't know where that is... might be on their forum site which is immense.
2. Looks like Google Camera works and works well with this phone. Haven't tried myself yet but Smartisan Forums say you can just use the original apk download for google camera
3. Full battery life, connection strength and a host of other functionality items
VoLTE appears to work for me on TMobile, not wifi-calling though. Maybe it is wifi calling when on VoLTE and connected to wifi but it does not give indicator as such.
Of course, the big missing item from the OP6 is wireless charging. Nut R1 does have qi charging capability although the coil placement is slightly weird.
Geez, is that a lot... there is so much more but rather not keep on going. Please ask if you have questions!
Verdict: Nut R1 - You had me at Qi... why oh why did OP6 did you not include wireless charging on a glass backed phone. Although some may say bloat, there's cool stuff built into the Nut R1... plus whats looks to be the ability to unlock means let flashing begin! (Even though I'm not going to figure out how to do that anytime soon)
Cost & Value
Understandably nowadays, a new phone comes out every month worth looking at. Apple manages to keep their values up because you only get 1 refresh per year without any other competition. Benefit of controlling the hardware and software in a closed system. Android on the other hand has 100's upon 100's manufacturers. From that, you basically have the newest phone with the latest gadgets. More RAM, more drive space, etc. In recent years, the rise of Chinese manufacturers has even added to the dilemma of phone value to the money paid out. Xiaomi, Smartisan, OnePlus, ZTE & Huawei just to name a few are offering quality phones at better prices making it hard to justify a $800+ flagship phone. Samsung can no longer keep trying to command iPhone prices for their phones and expect success. Even the mighty iPhone is starting to feel the pinch of the growing China manufacturing phone market. Apple made money off of the iPhone X, their first $1000+ phone, but not as successful as previous versions even with some new innovation. With that said, both the OP6 and Nut R1 are a decent investment for the hardware you're given at the price point under $700. Both Snapdragon 845, both dual camera, quick charge, etc. makes them compete at the level of LG and Samsung without having to look to lease from your carrier. Ultimately, this gives you freedom from your carrier to be truly contract free. The resell value of the Nut R1 is a little more dicey than OP6 given OP6's name recognition and availability here in the United States. Could I go on swappa and sell the Nut R1, maybe...? I know I can sell the OP6, but probably at a 20% loss. Neither phone is a no-brainer for resell so investing in either will need to be an investment to get away from being under your service providers thumb more than anything. Is that enough even at these prices points to justify in getting either one of these phones? That's definitely a question to consider... especially when the Android phone with max stats, new bell or whistle and the hype train is just a month away...
Verdict: Nut R1 - Ultimately it's cheaper... even when you take into consideration no water resistance value. Nut R1 does have Qi which is absent from OP6. If water resistance is the straw breaking the camels back, then of course OP6 is better. Not as many accessories for the Nut R1, which might be a blessing more than a curse. No proprietary fast charging meaning you have to get a special charger like OP6 (for the car in particular).
Ease of Everyday Use
This section is a little weird for most people so let me explain. We have all have interactions with technology on a daily basis. From the alarm that wakes you up in the morning, to the coffee maker that makes you coffee to even the toothbrush to brush your teeth with, there's hardly a space in modern life where technology isn't already taken a foot-hold. Sometimes the technology can be obtuse, hard to use, hard to understand and even harder to save you time. Others we just have to live with... like modern cars, with 133 years since deployed, they are conceptually the same... in other words, they still ride on the ground. Yes,we have self-driving cars, cars that run on hydrogen, etc. etc. but no flying cars? No cars that could hover? Much like the phone market, technology is starting to hit a wall where stats of operating speed, RAM and other such items which use to be the tantamount reason to buy a phone no longer matter. It's the bells & whistles making the ad campaigns. These whistles and bells ultimately are being added to make daily use easier and more productive besides providing a higher quality product (like phone cameras for instance). OP6 does this in one of the simplest way (complex is not always better), the slider button. The ability to move from silent to vibrate to sound on is such a great experience with the phone. Even though you can program the button to do whatever you want, the default setting maybe all you need. The beauty of the OP6 light interpretation of vanilla Android helps to give the phone a great user experience. Much like Apple (and don't throw any at me), the OP6 works great, the way it's intended to right from the packaging. Although the ability to tweak, bootloader unlocking and flash ROMing are present. It is hard to justify taking the time to do so with such a well-rounded phone already. The Nut R1 on the other hand is slightly harder to crack, pun intended. Because of its Far East roots, it provides extreme customization from day 1. Do most people want to spend 2 days to fully setup their phone? Probably not. However, the Nut R1 gains some distinct advantages with for daily use from this. From my experience, battery life is better on the R1 than the OP6 since it has a slightly smaller screen and a slightly larger battery. More so, the extreme customization helps the software do a better job at battery monitoring and apps in memory running leading to better battery life as well. Then there's one step and idea pills to through in the mix again. These 2 software "enhancements", bells and whistles, whatever... saves time and adds productivity into the phone. It's not without one caveat. You need to figure these features out on your own (unless you know Mandarin). OP6's water resistance helps out too... if and when you might be presented with the problem of having your phone out in rain. Both phones show that they can get the job done daily.
Verdict: Dead Heat - If only the OP6 had Qi or the Nut R1 was water resistant, my job of deciding would be easy. :good: Unfortunately, it isn't that way...
Overall & Summary
Verdict: Smartisan Nut R1 or maybe not... :silly:
In all honesty, it is hard for me to decide a clear winner here. I have both phones and I'm still not sure which one I'm gonna put up on swappa and get rid of. This tells me I like something about each that ultimately makes me not want to get rid of either. Usually when I do these reviews, there's a clear cut winner. For this one, I can truly say either one is a home run based on the specific use case you need. Want something to develop a ROM, bootloader unlock, go with the OP6. Need something to be productive daily with while you're on-the-go and not sacrifice any performance at a very reasonable price, then the Nut R1 should efintely be considered. Finally, need a phone with 1TB of storage... guess what, the Nut R1 is your phone. I really haven't talk to much on the fact that you can get the Nut R1 with the unbelievable amount of UFS 2.1 storage of 1TB. I did not get it in that option (wish I could have got the 512GB if I could have found it reasonably priced) as I don't need that much space plus the $1000+ price tag is just slightly to much for me . You on the other hand might be a photo taking, song downloading junkaholic with no problem throwing a $1000 down then 1TB is right in your ball park. Most articles hype the Smartisan Nut R1 for the 1TB and miss the truly great phone underneath. Same can be said about the OP6 in another way. Articles typically about the newest "flagship killer" OnePlus has to offer look at why it's not a "killer" because its missing this or that or whatever feature... Yes, I did the same for Qi charging... so I'm to blame too. I just feel this year more than ever with the OP6 design change to a glass backed phone is just inconceivable not to have Qi. However, I have found a way around that also to find another awesome phone. Really, the winner here is all of us. Smartisan and OnePlus prove that you can make a quality product with top specs at prices most can afford. Samsung should be scared... Once again, this is just some guys opinion.
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BOKEH FEATURE
in the little time with the R1 i can say i prefer the HDR being off for most picture situations , and looking over pictures i took with my OP6 i had i think the R1 has a very (very very ) slight advantage. especially in Bokeh shots.
Excellent Review as well!
MixEvo said:
in the little time with the R1 i can say i prefer the HDR being off for most picture situations , and looking over pictures i took with my OP6 i had i think the R1 has a very (very very ) slight advantage. especially in Bokeh shots.
Excellent Review as well!
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Thanks! I believe for bokeh this is also correct from my shots so far. Can’t say about HDR. Gonna try google camera as I understand it has good compatibility
Very comprehensive review and lovely kid. Good job, OP.
jerryhou85 said:
Very comprehensive review and lovely kid. Good job, OP.
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Thanks appreciate it!
Very good review, one of the more detailed ones i've seen, but you missed a tiny detail about the R1.
It's the first phone to ever have Dirac Panorama Sound and also it has 3 speakers (according to FoneArena).
And that TNT Worstation is also a bonus.
Myrmeko said:
Very good review, one of the more detailed ones i've seen, but you missed a tiny detail about the R1.
It's the first phone to ever have Dirac Panorama Sound and also it has 3 speakers (according to FoneArena).
And that TNT Worstation is also a bonus.
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Yeah I used to do a sound section but mine used revolve around whether the Bluetooth played fine with my car. Since upgrading to a head unit with android auto, I just worry about the compatibility with that system. Btw it works great with android auto. A lot of Huawei and even the pixel 2 xl have sucky compatibility with android auto. Since xda did an article on the Dirac, I kinda of left that out too. As far as the TNT, I knew about the feature but personally don’t have one to see how cool or not cool it is to comment. Thanks for reading. I think if others got a chance to see this phone in action they would buy it in a heartbeat. Smartisan said they support bootloader unlock too but said something about open source. I really didn’t find anymore then that. The translations of posts on their forum site can sometimes be hard to get the full meaning of the conversation. Thanks again!
Yeah, i forgot about XDA's article.
Anyway, i'm personally gonna wait a bit before buying a new phone. This seems like the best choice so far (especially the 1TB version), but i wanna see how stuff goes around here. If there would be custom kernels, xposed modules, custom ROMs, etc.
Thank you for the review and after read this i'm going to buy this phone, but i just worry about vietnamese display problem on chinese phone, some vietnamese text maybe not display right way, can you go to web address GENK.VN (sorry i can't post link) and take a screenshot about how this phone display vietnamese? thank so much
Pinokm412 said:
Thank you for the review and after read this i'm going to buy this phone, but i just worry about vietnamese display problem on chinese phone, some vietnamese text maybe not display right way, can you go to web address GENK.VN (sorry i can't post link) and take a screenshot about how this phone display vietnamese? thank so much
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If only I hadn't boxed it up over the weekend... Sold it to someone so that I can move in to my next phone to review... sorry. Try smartisan on facebook messenger. They are quick to respond. :highfive:
mahst68 said:
If only I hadn't boxed it up over the weekend... Sold it to someone so that I can move in to my next phone to review... sorry. Try smartisan on facebook messenger. They are quick to respond. :highfive:
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Can you link me to the correct Facebook page? Would love to ask about boot loader and treble support.
DQEight said:
Can you link me to the correct Facebook page? Would love to ask about boot loader and treble support.
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Start a conversation in Messenger: m.me/145041519488759

MTCD/E AHD Reverse Camera Support

Does anyone know if this is a thing?
My googling and searching hasn't turned up any definitive answer and it seems like this could be done if software was written to support it but it might need some hardware I'm not aware of instead.
Further googling has brought to my attention that specific hardware decoders are needed to process AHD signals. As a result it is highly unlikely the MTCD/E boards would support this functionality if it wasn't already implemented like it is for CSN2.
With that said, anyone know what the highest resolution backup camera is that I can pickup for a PX5 based MTCE unit?
Further research has pointed me to CVBS being limited to a resolution of 960H (960 x 576 PAL or 960 x 480 NTSC). Unfortunately I have not been successful in locating a camera that is able to output such a strange resolution, the closest I've found is 800 x 600.
It appears that chipsets on cameras capable of handling 720p and 1080p through AHD have to be specifically programmed to output in that format even though it's technically downgrading the performance of the camera to do so.
I think I'm gonna get a few and compare them to see which is the best I've been able to find.
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