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I have been using YouMail's service on my phones for quite some time and was excited to see there was an app for Android, but after 2+ months of use (and several versions of the .apk, including the most recent Beta) I am still experiencing 100% awake time when the app is running.
If I kill it my phone will immedietly because to sleep normally. But each time I receive a phone call or open the app it will keep the phone from sleeping again.
I have been in contact with their support (which is how I received the Beta version) and have been sending Dumps their way, but was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this issue.
Info: Running Fresh 1.1 on a newly 1.56 RUU'ed hero.
crunchybutternut said:
I have been using YouMail's service on my phones for quite some time and was excited to see there was an app for Android, but after 2+ months of use (and several versions of the .apk, including the most recent Beta) I am still experiencing 100% awake time when the app is running.
If I kill it my phone will immedietly because to sleep normally. But each time I receive a phone call or open the app it will keep the phone from sleeping again.
I have been in contact with their support (which is how I received the Beta version) and have been sending Dumps their way, but was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this issue.
Info: Running Fresh 1.1 on a newly 1.56 RUU'ed hero.
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I stopped using the app because of this. I tried contacting support and was brushed off. I love the app but not the lack letting my phone sleep.
I am working with a developer of the app to fix the problem and have tested several versions. Will keep you updated of the progress.
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I am working with a developer of the app to fix the problem and have tested several versions. Will keep you updated of the progress.
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That would be great. Thanks for helping him out with this as I would love to use the app.
I don't mean to thread jack this, but.
Whats the difference in YouMail and our Sprint Visual Voice Mail? I have never used youMail.
Kcarpenter said:
I don't mean to thread jack this, but.
Whats the difference in YouMail and our Sprint Visual Voice Mail? I have never used youMail.
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YouMail http://www.youmail.com/home/index.do is a service that replaces Sprint's (or any other provider) voice mail service with their own. It allows you to set custom "smart" greetings for each caller in your contacts, among other things. Check out the site for more info.
Here is the latest response from the developer I have been working with.
Hi [Name],
I did some more research and can confirm that I see the same behavior as you when I run the YouMail app ('active' @ 100%)
I'm not exactly sure what the cause is, as the application is indeed going to sleep when it has nothing to do. The problem also seems to be quite widespread, affecting what seems to be "most" applications that loiter around in the background doing nothing for most of the time.
Since you use 'Spare Parts' you should notice that in there is a way of viewing the 'Partial Wake Lock' usage of a given application. According to the Android developer documentation this is the ONLY way an application can keep the phone "awake" other than 'prodding' it every 30 seconds or so (and you'd notice that 'coz the screen would never go off).
As long as that "Partial Wake Lock" value is low (and it should be unless you're constantly hitting "Menu -> Poll") it means the application is indeed behaving correctly.
All I can offer is that we develop a new feature into the app so that you can tell it to automatically exit when all of the automatic polling settings are disabled - that way the phone would literally shut down the app "sometime" after you back out of the message list. Do you think that's worth it? Or should we wait for HTC/T-Mobile to fix the root cause of the problem?
Doug
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And my response:
Do you mind if I share some of our conversation with a community forum? It might help get others involved and more feedback for you to use in further development.
As far as other apps loitering in the background, my understanding is that Android (using the same process as other Linux distros) keeps recently used applications in RAM to make them more quickly accessible to the user, and will clear them as the RAM is needed by other apps.
I have seen this issue in the past with other apps (i.e. the HTC messaging app locking the dialer and maintaining 100% awake time) but has all been resolved by updates to the apps themselves.
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Lastly, his response:
Feel free, I don't think I said anything bad
I we get enough requests from "the community" I'll be given time to add the 'exit when done' option (basically it'll become a "dumb" app that only checks for messages when you start it up instead of waking up every so often to check [like after you miss a call])
And yes, Android is a little stranger than normal in that it tends to leave applications running for an unspecified time after you "close" them. (basically until it needs to run something else, or it runs out of memory, or .....)
The YouMail app is a little different in that it runs as a background service and schedules the phone to wake it up whenever "events of interest" occur (you get a TXT, your phone rings, it needs to poll, etc) - so even if the OS does close the app because you logged onto "hugebitmaps.com" and the phone ran out of memory, it'll start it up again as soon as it can.
I suspect the HERO OS is not allowing the phone to sleep, even though the application is literally doing nothing. I don't recall this problem on my trusty G1 when it had Android 1.5, so maybe some of HTC's customizations have broken something
Doug
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I can post more of the conversation history if it would help. Anyone have any ideas what might be causing this beyond coding issues?
If anyone wants to send their YouMail log for inspection just enter this code in the dialer *#*#963867#*#* (*#*#YMDUMP#*#*) and it will let you send an email with the log's text.
Tried in 2.1 beta
"I suspect the HERO OS is not allowing the phone to sleep, even though the application is literally doing nothing. I don't recall this problem on my trusty G1 when it had Android 1.5, so maybe some of HTC's customizations have broken something "
I also tried using this app on the 2.1 ROM that Flipz and company have been working on, and had the same issue. I do not know enough programing to determine if this is a problem with OS or the app. I can only give you my experience and try other stuff out to see what the results are. I hope this helps.
Kevin
Hi, Doug from YouMail here.
Just noticed my words and thought I'd give an update - although not much good news.
I basically spent the last 2 days completely reworking the YouMail app's back end code so that anything and everything that could possibly be shut down when it isn't actually doing anything is indeed shut down.
When it came time to test it out -- 100% awake time again (although I stand by my earlier comments that "its not just us").
If I run the same app on a HTC G1 the phone will last a good 2 days (maybe more) without battery issues. If I uninstall the app the difference is minor.
This information, added to all the discussion on the Sprint forums about how the HTC "extras" that this phone comes bundled with have caused the same problem leads me to think that there is something in the Hero that's not behaving properly.
I see other comments like "It does the same on my <insert phone model here>" - well, we don't have unlimited resources, so if you can put the small amount of effort in to dial the 'dump' code mentioned above (*#*#963867#*#*) then maybe we can start to find a pattern here (maybe it's all the Android 1.5 based devices for example).
I'd also like to thank crunchybutternut for all of his assistance and time in trying to sort this issue out.
Doug
superman.namrepus said:
I also tried using this app on the 2.1 ROM that Flipz and company have been working on, and had the same issue. I do not know enough programing to determine if this is a problem with OS or the app. I can only give you my experience and try other stuff out to see what the results are. I hope this helps.
Kevin
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If I can get in touch with someone who has access to the "guts" of the device and that can help me determine whats going wrong then that would be great. Neither the Android developer list nor the HTC forums are particularly helpful when it comes to tricky problems.
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Anyone have some insight on this?
Ok - If someone working on one of these custom builds is prepared to lend a little assistance I'm willing to put a custom build on my phone and try to debug this a little deeper. However, with the number of hours that I get to work on this app.... and all the "fun" blocks that Google have been putting in our way w.r.t Android 2.x, I may not get much more time to work this problem.
That being said, I'm going to try experimenting with a new test app that just adds (one at a time) the raw features of the YouMail app in the hope that a single change triggers this wonderful problem you guys have. If that's the case then I'll put on my Sherlock Holmes hat and try to work around whatever is causing it.
Doug
Any news ?
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Any news ?
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Got this from ymDoug:
No progress as yet - not seen anything from xda folks either.
I've made *massive* changes to ensure the app is shutting down absolutely everything it can when it has nothing to do - still no joy.
I've even gone through a lot of the Android source code and can't find anything that would indicate I'm doing anything wrong. There is one debugging method I'd dearly love to call inside the Google Android code (it dumps out a list of who is keeping the phone awake at any point in time) but the method is only accessible to (a) Google, and (b) People who cook their own ROMs. The official Android people are doing their usual stand-up job of ignoring the difficult questions
I am still making the odd change here and there, and my test app doesn't seem to be having the same problems (of course)
Regardless, there will be an updated version on the web site in the next day or so - I'll need to ensure my changes haven't completely screwed things up
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Doug has made some changes, does not seem to completely resolve the sleep issue though.
Here's the link to the change log:
http://forums.youmail.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=18
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FYI: The version in the market is several revisions behind.
So after realizing that my brand new $650 phone did not have bluetooth voice dialing, I decided to do some work.... good news.
HTC did not include the VoiceDialer.apk with the Sensation. Why? No clue!
After getting it here...
http://download615.mediafire.com/m4f6kpd3g06g/mdh1m1x0dzh/VoiceDialer.apk
I was able to prompt my car stereo's Voice Dial button, but the Voice Dial still did not want to work correctly, but... just get ChoiceDialer+ from the market, and all is good.
How did you install the apk I would like to try this before I return the phone. Sorry if this is a stupid question.
Connect your phone to your computer via USB cable, and switch to Disk mode or Mass storage mode or whatever you call it.... drag it onto your phone. Use Astro or Root explorer to navigate to your phones folder, and just open the apk to install, and then restart.
Again, I dont think the voice dialer itself will give you prompts, so get a third party app like ChoiceDialer+
I can't get the voice dialer to repeat what I say for confirmation.
After I press my bluetooth, voice dialer opens up, I say my command, and then a pop-up comes up asking me to press ok or cancel.
Anybody got any luck with this?
I have been using vlingo since launch for bt dialing and works great. The app even has an in car mode and can read texts and emails. Of course you can turn that off as well.
I just use vlingo as my default app when long pressing the search button. So upon a long press, vlingo launches and listens via bluetooth and you can say your command from searching whatever to navigate to wherever to call whomever in your address book. Try it out, it's free. You can always uninstall if you do not like the functionality.
Is there an option for me to press the button on my bluetooth to trigger the app? It is illegal to use the phone while driving up here in Canada.
Make sure voicedialer.apk is installed, and then install a third party voice dialer like Vlingo or Choice Handsfree. You need that voicedialer.apk installed to trigger the prompt when you press the Bluetooth button on your headset... When you press it, it should bring up a prompt asking you which program you'd like to use.
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my voicedialer Force closed
after i installed choice dialer, i got the same menu still.
I press my bluetooth, say something, and then on my phone screen, it gives me a prompt as to what to do (in this case, who to call).
I don't want to touch my phone while driving.
The voicedialer app worked perfectly fine with my nexus one with the same bluetooth headset, no idea why it's not working on my sensation.
I think HTC needs to do something about this. I just bought the Sensation yesterday and didn't realize this issue till this morning. I am using the BlueAnt Q2. Call recognition works fine. But using the voice commands on the Q2 is a bust cause the device is no compatible. WTF.
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I think HTC needs to do something about this. I just bought the Sensation yesterday and didn't realize this issue till this morning. I am using the BlueAnt Q2. Call recognition works fine. But using the voice commands on the Q2 is a bust cause the device is no compatible. WTF.
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I have the same situation, Q2, Sensation, hopefully a rooted ROM will fix this issue.
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I have a HTC Desire and have long been frustrated at its inability to voice dial via bluetooth. Last week I was annoyed by HTC's attitude to a Gingerbread update for the Desire, so I took the plunge and rooted my phone, installing Cyanogen mod 7.
Wonderful change, it's like having a new phone! One bonus is that, just today I decided to try voice dialling in my car, and it works perfectly! Paired the phone with my Alpine car radio, pressed the phone button on the radio and up came the message 'voice dialling', I said 'call John' and a female voice replied 'calling John' and there I was speaking, totally handsfree. Miraculous I thought, why couldn't HTC manage that?
So, all credit to Cyanogen for a superb update to my phone and I'll be donating, although it's free.
Same issues here. HTC seems to have rushed this one out the door. Besides the lack of BT voice dialing, I'm seeing hangs/crashes in the phone dialer app, and rapid battery drain when playing games. I wish there was a way to turn off Sense; it really adds nothing to the Android experience and usually gets in the way.
installs fine but keeps force closing and does not work with bt and no confirmation prompts. found vlingo but it does not work with sensation.in fact,the app will lock your phone and you will have to restore phone if you can even manage to get it installed in first place. so please stop telling people to use this app. you should be ashamed of yourself.
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I have been using vlingo since launch for bt dialing and works great. The app even has an in car mode and can read texts and emails. Of course you can turn that off as well.
I just use vlingo as my default app when long pressing the search button. So upon a long press, vlingo launches and listens via bluetooth and you can say your command from searching whatever to navigate to wherever to call whomever in your address book. Try it out, it's free. You can always uninstall if you do not like the functionality.
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you are full of crap. if you claim to be using vlingo on an htc sensation you most certainly are full of it. the app is not available for this model and if you manage to find a work around,it will brick the phone. quit lieing to these nice people.
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you are full of crap. if you claim to be using vlingo on an htc sensation you most certainly are full of it. the app is not available for this model and if you manage to find a work around,it will brick the phone. quit lieing to these nice people.
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Its too bad you don't know what you're talking about fattexan. I downloaded VLingo from Android Zoom the first day I had my Sensation and have used it everyday since with a blackberry bluetooth speaker. It has not bricked my phone, caused a force close and anything but work beautifully. And please, don't call me a liar like you've done before. I'd be happy to post pictures to get it through your fattexan head.
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you are full of crap. if you claim to be using vlingo on an htc sensation you most certainly are full of it. the app is not available for this model and if you manage to find a work around,it will brick the phone. quit lieing to these nice people.
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I've been reading through the threads and have been most interested in voice dialing. I had it on my HD2 and it was quite useful as I use a bluetooth headset as my primary means of talking on the phone. I just hate holding the phone up to my head. In any case, voice dialing IS possible without using BT. I'm sure most of you know this as all you have to do is hold the search button on the phone for a second to get a voice command prompt pop up where you can simply say "call <contact name>" or "dial <phone number>" and it will do as told. I have no modifications on my phone, it is as stock as stock can come.
With my headsets, it used to be where I held the activate button for a moment, a tone would play in my ear, and a voice would say "say a command". Keep in mind, that was on my HD2. The sensation doesn't come with BT voice dialing by default, it seems, and it does appear that there are work-arounds to it like the apk listed above. In fact, I've seen some relatively talented people figure out how to make things work, that weren't supposed to work in the first place. Also keep in mind that voice dialing and other functions are software based, and simply writing the proper code can overcome pretty much anything.
With that being said, thefattexan, I've seen you call other posters and responders liars, and in this thread alone, you've told someone that they're "full of crap". In all honesty, those comments are not appreciated, and at least one thread was closed by a moderator because of attacks like that.
Let me submit to you, that just because you've never seen or heard of something, does not mean that it doesn't exist. Simply because you could not make it work, does not mean that someone else wasn't able to. Calling someone a liar based only on your own experiences is pretty much out of line, and your behavior is somewhat disgraceful. So I am asking you nicely, to please refrain from that sort of behavior. Maybe if someone says they can do something that you are not able to, rather than call them a liar, ask them how they accomplished it and you may learn something in the bargain. Obviously, they tried something that you didn't, and voila. Otherwise, don't say anything, because carrying on like you do will only result in the moderators banning you.
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I have had the same problems with the voice dialer apk. It installs just fine but it force closes when trying to use from the bluetooth headset.
I tried vlingo and some other apps but they are too complicated and usually require some interaction with the phone.
I want it to work just like my Thunderbolt. When my phone is in my pocket I can press the bluetooth call button and be prompted to speak now. The say "call John" and then prompted, "calling john" and the phone dials the number. Very simple and easy to work without any interaction.
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you are full of crap. if you claim to be using vlingo on an htc sensation you most certainly are full of it. the app is not available for this model and if you manage to find a work around,it will brick the phone. quit lieing to these nice people.
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I have seen your past posts and I can see you do not play well with others. Man, are you a native Texan? You are the most....well how can I put this...ignorant person here. This is XDA. A place where developers and users help each other troubleshoot things here.
And your great additions to this community? Just badmouthing everyone that does not share your view. Name calling really got you where you are today /sarcasm.
I do not know what your problem is and why you resort to name calling literally everytime you post.
Back to topic and to simply replying to you. I have been the early adopters of vlingo. I even paid for the app when it was first released. I have to say I did indeed install this via market when I got the phone because a week ago the in car setting kept fc'ing on me and I uninstalled and reinstalled the version I found in the market.
The funny thing is I tried looking again on the market and I do see that it is marked incompatible with the Sensation like you said, but I did uninstall the app and reinstalled fresh from the market and not use any restores.
I am done sparring with words with you and you can keep calling me and every one else here names....I don't know maybe you were bullied as a child, not given enough attention as a child, or maybe you found out that the Easter Bunny is a myth *gasp*....
I part with this: Get that stinking cross off your back, use the wood to build a bridge and get the hell over it.....
caliber177 said:
So after realizing that my brand new $650 phone did not have bluetooth voice dialing, I decided to do some work.... good news.
HTC did not include the VoiceDialer.apk with the Sensation. Why? No clue!
After getting it here...
http://download615.mediafire.com/m4f6kpd3g06g/mdh1m1x0dzh/VoiceDialer.apk
I was able to prompt my car stereo's Voice Dial button, but the Voice Dial still did not want to work correctly, but... just get ChoiceDialer+ from the market, and all is good.
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downloaded installed both but when i press the voice dial button on my bluetooth it does nothing, only works when I open the program directly from the apps section in my device, any suggestions?
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Make sure voicedialer.apk is installed, and then install a third party voice dialer like Vlingo or Choice Handsfree.
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You are d'bomb!! Worked exactly as you stated. I now have a completely hands free dialing experience using only my bluetooth headset.
Just a tip for anyone watching... I had to restart my phone after installing the voicedialer.apk in order for it to respond correctly. THEN I installed the Hands Free Voice dialer.
Dear devs,
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/01/skype-for-android-updated-with-video-calling-support-video/
After reading that article, I'd like to formally request someone to find a way to make this work on the Charge! Finally, we can Skype someone on a computer (PC/Mac) or on any Android or iPhone! Amazing. It's also about time.
And this edited Skype does not work on the Charge: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Skyp...alls-working-on-non-supported-devices_id20025
Apparently it works on the charge but you have to be on a gingerbread rom.
Interesting, would be nice to finally have a use for this front-facing camera(there are other apps but no one uses them, all the people I know use Skype).
Also, sorry for derailing but I'm going to assume you use Skype on your Charge, do you know how to stop it from auto-starting? I usually just open it, check who's online, send my messages, etc and task kill it but sometimes I'll hear the sound of it starting up (whether I'm using the phone or not). It just keeps my phone awake and kills battery, do you know how to stop this..?
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Interesting, would be nice to finally have a use for this front-facing camera(there are other apps but no one uses them, all the people I know use Skype).
Also, sorry for derailing but I'm going to assume you use Skype on your Charge, do you know how to stop it from auto-starting? I usually just open it, check who's online, send my messages, etc and task kill it but sometimes I'll hear the sound of it starting up (whether I'm using the phone or not). It just keeps my phone awake and kills battery, do you know how to stop this..?
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Well on Windows it has the option of choosing not to startup with windows. I haven't checked it on Android.
Heh thanks anyway. So I'm assuming Skype hasn't let out any official word on the Charge(or any other phone) video call release date, I didn't hear anything about this initial update at all so I'm guessing it's just going to be surprises from here on out.
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Interesting, would be nice to finally have a use for this front-facing camera(there are other apps but no one uses them, all the people I know use Skype).
Also, sorry for derailing but I'm going to assume you use Skype on your Charge, do you know how to stop it from auto-starting? I usually just open it, check who's online, send my messages, etc and task kill it but sometimes I'll hear the sound of it starting up (whether I'm using the phone or not). It just keeps my phone awake and kills battery, do you know how to stop this..?
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You have to go to the My Info tab and then press the menu button to access settings. In there, you can find a box to uncheck for starting automatically.
Hi All I have just purchased a new nexus 5 (gear live pre-ordered) in a curious attempt to have a go at android from my Iphone 5c.
I am tweaking the handset at the moment to give me some lost functionality from IOS. I have stumbled across a really painful problem that i can not find a solution to. I use a pair of bose wired earphones to listen to music and use as hands free in the car. On my iphone, I am used to to pushing the mic button and activating the voice dial from the locked screen, all good.
When i try doing this on my nexus, i get the "can not use OK Google until the phone is unlocked" message in my ear.
I have to have a passlock on the handset due to work security restrictions.
Does anyone have a work around for this? I am hoping my new gear live will keep the pass lock when in close proximity (A major flaw otherwise - unlocking your phone before you can see anything on your smartwatch!) in the interim though, putting a pass key in the phone every time i want to make a call whilst riving is pretty poor!
currently on stock 4.4.4. not rooted yet -
Thanks all
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Hi All I have just purchased a new nexus 5 (gear live pre-ordered) in a curious attempt to have a go at android from my Iphone 5c.
I am tweaking the handset at the moment to give me some lost functionality from IOS. I have stumbled across a really painful problem that i can not find a solution to. I use a pair of bose wired earphones to listen to music and use as hands free in the car. On my iphone, I am used to to pushing the mic button and activating the voice dial from the locked screen, all good.
When i try doing this on my nexus, i get the "can not use OK Google until the phone is unlocked" message in my ear.
I have to have a passlock on the handset due to work security restrictions.
Does anyone have a work around for this? I am hoping my new gear live will keep the pass lock when in close proximity (A major flaw otherwise - unlocking your phone before you can see anything on your smartwatch!) in the interim though, putting a pass key in the phone every time i want to make a call whilst riving is pretty poor!
currently on stock 4.4.4. not rooted yet -
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I'll be honest and say that being able to make a call with the phone being pin locked would be a security risk. Now as for a workaround I can only think of one thing that would work but it requires some time to configure things correctly.
You could us ethe app tasker to automate this. You can set a profile for when you are in your car. When you are driving in the car (e.g. moving over 10 MPH) you can have tasker turn off your PIN Lock. Then when you get out of your car (eg not moving) it would reenable your PIN lock.
If that's too hard to configure (I can show you if you are interested in the above method) You can just set up a much simpler profile in tasker that whenever your BT headset is connected disable your PIN lock. THough this is less secure.
Those are the only options I can think of and honestly I would be surprised if anyone came up with a true solution to this
Not sure if anyone has tried this, but if you have the Google Assistant set up on your phone, you can bypass any lockscreen security method (PINs and fingerprint) by saying "OK Google", then hitting the Home button on the bottom. Not too sure if I'm a fan of that tbh since it kind of defeats the whole purpose of the security measures. But again, it does require you to set up the Google Assistant........
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Not sure if anyone has tried this, but if you have the Google Assistant set up on your phone, you can bypass any lockscreen security method (PINs and fingerprint) by saying "OK Google", then hitting the Home button on the bottom. Not too sure if I'm a fan of that tbh since it kind of defeats the whole purpose of the security measures. But again, it does require you to set up the Google Assistant........
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Yeah
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I'm pretty sure it's because its tuned to your voice, you can turn the option to have it on the lockscreen off though.
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Not sure if anyone has tried this, but if you have the Google Assistant set up on your phone, you can bypass any lockscreen security method (PINs and fingerprint) by saying "OK Google", then hitting the Home button on the bottom. Not too sure if I'm a fan of that tbh since it kind of defeats the whole purpose of the security measures. But again, it does require you to set up the Google Assistant........
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I asked someone and they said because it's my trusted voice.
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It uses machine learning to recognise your voice. Try it, shouldn't unlock when someone else says "Okay Google".
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It uses machine learning to recognise your voice. Try it, shouldn't unlock when someone else says "Okay Google".
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Ahh that makes sense. I was just curious because I thought it was kinda weird that would bypass the lockscreen security.
Actually, that is something I find out long time ago and forget to start topic here, because as software engineer, I am quite concerned about this.
Let's be honst first and say that you can turn off that option, but problem is that I care about every little pop-up when I setup new phone and I am 100% sure it didn't ask me to activate that option.
That is really really serious thing.
Talking about AI and neural networks in terms of accuracy of this thing, could be opinion from someone who doesn't understand this enough.
To make it simple to regular people here.
2 of 4 friends that I was sitting with in a bar, successfully bypass security on my phone with just saying 'Ok Google'.
Neural network need accurate data to work good! Environment factors and microphones on phones are not ready for this yet.
I am highly concerned (maybe this is a bit paranoid) that Google did this on purpose...
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I asked someone and they said because it's my trusted voice.
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Yup, that is correct. If you go into Google and to Security options, you can uncheck the box for trusted voice. Then you won't be able to unlock via that method.
stefanACM said:
Actually, that is something I find out long time ago and forget to start topic here, because as software engineer, I am quite concerned about this.
Let's be honst first and say that you can turn off that option, but problem is that I care about every little pop-up when I setup new phone and I am 100% sure it didn't ask me to activate that option.
That is really really serious thing.
Talking about AI and neural networks in terms of accuracy of this thing, could be opinion from someone who doesn't understand this enough.
To make it simple to regular people here.
2 of 4 friends that I was sitting with in a bar, successfully bypass security on my phone with just saying 'Ok Google'.
Neural network need accurate data to work good! Environment factors and microphones on phones are not ready for this yet.
I am highly concerned (maybe this is a bit paranoid) that Google did this on purpose...
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Did you train Google now to recognize your voice? If you don't it will still work but will work with anyone's voice as you mentioned. Still if the default config is trusted and not trained that is really bad don't get me wrong
stefanACM said:
Actually, that is something I find out long time ago and forget to start topic here, because as software engineer, I am quite concerned about this.
Let's be honst first and say that you can turn off that option, but problem is that I care about every little pop-up when I setup new phone and I am 100% sure it didn't ask me to activate that option.
That is really really serious thing.
Talking about AI and neural networks in terms of accuracy of this thing, could be opinion from someone who doesn't understand this enough.
To make it simple to regular people here.
2 of 4 friends that I was sitting with in a bar, successfully bypass security on my phone with just saying 'Ok Google'.
Neural network need accurate data to work good! Environment factors and microphones on phones are not ready for this yet.
I am highly concerned (maybe this is a bit paranoid) that Google did this on purpose...
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I do think you're being a bit paranoid, but I do see your point. Basically, 1984.
partcyborg said:
Did you train Google now to recognize your voice? If you don't it will still work but will work with anyone's voice as you mentioned. Still if the default config is trusted and not trained that is really bad don't get me wrong
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Yes bro, I trained voice model for my voice.
BUT, in some regions people have similar voices (you know you can recognize where is someone from) and if Google doesn't have enough input from that particular region in world, their recognition model is weak.
Still, main problem is that option WAS (back when I receieved my Galaxy in May) or STILL IS turned on by default (or with really unrecognizable pop-up question).