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Greenify: someone use it on N5? What are the apps it's hibernate?

I personally believe that the main weakness of the Nexus 5 is battery life. After trying for about a week the official app of Qualcomm Snapdragon BatteryGuru (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.xiam.snapdragon.app) without becoming satisfied (I have not found significant improvements, may have only a placebo effect), I switched to Greenify (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oasisfeng.greenify) with the Donation Package.
Do some of you use it? Users comments on Play Store seem excited (so I decided to try the paid version).
The paid version also allows you to hibernate the system apps, but I have not enabled this function (and would therefore be excluded almost all Google Apps), according to you should enable this option? Or rather, what are the apps that should hibernate / greenify?

I use it, and I'm pretty satisfied, you can theoretically hibernate all the apps you want, but is not good with apps need too synching like emails, chat, messenger and apps wich you have widgets, otherwise they will not work properly
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I'm not sure what the point of Greenify is then. If you can't greenify the apps you need, like Gmail, texts, etc., then how is battery life saved?

Han Solo 1 said:
I'm not sure what the point of Greenify is then. If you can't greenify the apps you need, like Gmail, texts, etc., then how is battery life saved?
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geenify all the other crappily written apps that you install. if you greenify apps like gmail, you wont get your email in a timely manor. there are plenty of other apps that start up without you opening them that can be greenified.

simms22 said:
if you greenify apps like gmail, you wont get your email in a timely manor.
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Have you tested that? I haven't but push notifications should wake up Gmail.
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stremax said:
I use it, and I'm pretty satisfied, you can theoretically hibernate all the apps you want, but is not good with apps need too synching like emails, chat, messenger and apps wich you have widgets, otherwise they will not work properly
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I agree that it's not good with apps with widgets on the home screen because the author of Greenify specify it, but I not agree for apps that need synchronization/notifications like emails, chat, messenger because it they use GCM (Google Cloud Messaging) they can be hibernated without lose push notifications!
I doubt only with system apps...

I have greenified quite everything that does not provide notification.

I use it for Facebook and Netflix, that helped my battery tremendously.

I used to use Greenify on my HTC One. I'd hibernate everything that wasn't 'system' and thought it was doing some good. Then I discovered that I was actually getting better battery life WITHOUT using it, so I don't really believe that it does any good.

To reiterate what others have said, I use to Greenify to hibernate any apps that aren't pushing me notifications. I'm honestly not sure if I see a huge difference in battery because it could be a number of things from changing ROMs or updating kernels, etc. But one thing for sure is that I'm actually pretty satisfied with the battery life on my N5. With the N4 I would be lucky to last me to dinner, but now I have plenty of battery to spare by the time I'm passing out in bed.
So I guess Greenify can potentially help battery life, but it's definitely not the answer to a magically longer lasting battery.

maxwarp79 said:
I personally believe that the main weakness of the Nexus 5 is battery life. After trying for about a week the official app of Qualcomm Snapdragon BatteryGuru (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.xiam.snapdragon.app) without becoming satisfied (I have not found significant improvements, may have only a placebo effect), I switched to Greenify (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oasisfeng.greenify) with the Donation Package.
Do some of you use it? Users comments on Play Store seem excited (so I decided to try the paid version).
The paid version also allows you to hibernate the system apps, but I have not enabled this function (and would therefore be excluded almost all Google Apps), according to you should enable this option? Or rather, what are the apps that should hibernate / greenify?
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Greenify is excellent. But using Greenify without knowing the cause of the problem isn't going to fix anything. Think of it as a bandaid. A bandaid for poorly written (usually intentionally) apps. Facebook comes to mind.
It won't greenify system apps without using Xposed (which doesn't work with ART). These system apps, Gmail, Chrome, Keep (I froze all the other junk Google apps), are actually pretty well behaved these days (they had huge issues in the past).
I think that with KitKat, Greenify has lost some of it's usefulness, with how aggressive KK is in killing off unused apps.
The app you should be downloading is BetterBatteryStats. Upload some logs for us, and most likely we can fix the problem for you. When the cause of the problem is determined, you can then choose the best course of action yourself.
The battery on the N5 is fine. I ran a BBS log while I was sleeping. After 6ish hours, the usage was 0.1% per hour. I would say anywhere between 0.1-0.4 is good. Wifi and mobile network, doesn't matter much if connection is solid.

anyways, greenify is not there to help battery, its there to have more free ram. but it can potentially help battery if you are running apps that open themselves and drain battery, like that aweful facebook app.

Greenfly question

Hi all
Just downloaded greenfly on my none rooted nexus 5, seems to work fine however when I select my apps to hibernate then click the button to hibernate them all its ok, but if I go back on my phone and press hibernate again it always re does Facebook and Facebook messenger even if I have not opened them since.
It's like they have reopened themselves.
Any reason for this? It does not do it all the time just at random times.
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you are new to android? apps open themselves is the norn, especially terribly written apps like facebook. its designed to open by itself and work in the background. if you kill it, itll just reopen. facebook creates wakelocks that will wake it whenever it wants. you dont like it? root your device, install the disable services app, block facebooks capabilities from constantly waking itself and your device. remembered, with linux, its considered that not used up ram is a waste of ram.

This is one of the reasons why I use the web broswer instead of the app.
Did you enable the service in accessibility?.
As above Apps will wake up the device, if the service is running it should do that automatically,

republicano said:
This is one of the reasons reasons why I use the web broswer instead of the app.
Did you enable the service in accessibility?.
As above Apps will wake up the device if the service is running greenify should do that automatically,
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that's exactly why i only use the browser for facebook! well, that snd facebook seriously draining battery when i didnt open it for a month. its been 3 years since i uninstalled the facebook app. all my devices thank me for it, or for never installing facebook

All of the above! Terrible app. My wife has my Moto X now...nothing at all has changed setup wise, and she brought it from 6 to 7 hours screen time, to 4. All....because....of....Facebook.... App.
Terrible!

Thanks I might unistall it

It does suck that bad.
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Just going back to this is there a good 3rd party Facebook app that is more battery friendly?

Yep I was on stock rooted for a while with Facebook installed I would get 2 hours sot but as soon as I removed it I got 4-5 hours of sot

Oreo and apps like Greenify

With all the work Google put into background battery life in Oreo, are apps like Greenify needed anymore? That was one of the primary reasons to root IMHO. Do we need that?

I'm wondering the same thing.

Oreo caches apps in the back ground.
It works, but I still use Greenify to clean up the apps that I do not want cached.
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km8j said:
With all the work Google put into background battery life in Oreo, are apps like Greenify needed anymore? That was one of the primary reasons to root IMHO. Do we need that?
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I personally felt the need for greenify was obsolete since Nougat arrived. Also in my experience I found that using it was detrimental/made no difference to battery life over time.

When I first got my Pixel 2, idle drain seemed high, so I tried Greenify. It seemed to help. I then uninstalled Greenify and there was no difference in battery life. I now believe the initial drain was just part of the phone calibrating itself and Greenify did not really do anything.

For some apps like instagram/facebook you really need greenify to prevent them running in the background.

k4r70ng said:
For some apps like instagram/facebook you really need greenify to prevent them running in the background.
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Can't you just use oreo's settings to limit background activity and to optimize battery for those apps?
https://www.howtogeek.com/324566/how-to-limit-background-activity-for-apps-in-android-oreo/

They still manage to run in the background for me Same with microsoft office apps!
foosion said:
Can't you just use oreo's settings to limit background activity and to optimize battery for those apps?
https://www.howtogeek.com/324566/how-to-limit-background-activity-for-apps-in-android-oreo/
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I use Greenify to control the play store app, services framework, and other system apps that think they need to suck down the battery. I use Google Maps all the time but I don't want it running in the background when I am not using the phone. My phone is not rooted and I plan on keeping it that way for awhile. So far the battery is lasting a long time but I don't use the assistant or any other service that goes beyond making phone calls and texting. Facebook and the others can keep their battery draining apps to themselves.

I swapped out Greenify for Naptime. Naptime makes a difference.

Disable Google Services + Helix + Elementalx= Profit

Gotta post this because I didn't think it was possible. So today I disabled google play service and the play store and a few other Google apps with titanium. I was already averaging about 8hrs SOT using helix engine and elemental kernal but then this happened

I've never heard of helix engine. What does it do?
Is it a replacement for Google play services? If not, crippling a smartphone to get good screen on time isn't very productive

uodii said:
I've never heard of helix engine. What does it do?
Is it a replacement for Google play services? If not, crippling a smartphone to get good screen on time isn't very productive
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-helix-engine-v1-0-beta-3-t3745746/page1

uodii said:
I've never heard of helix engine. What does it do?
Is it a replacement for Google play services? If not, crippling a smartphone to get good screen on time isn't very productive
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Too each its own. You can download apps from several different outlets that are safe. The only apps I had to replace was messenger with textra and gmail with Nine. I exported my contacts from the contacts app as vcf and restored them to my phone memory. I use vance tube which is an upgrade over youtube. When i want to sync my photos I'll enable google service framework to backup photos. Everybody doesn't need a phone to automatically and intrusively do simple task such as sync for them. The phone seems to even run better without those background services running .

mookiexl said:
Gotta post this because I didn't think it was possible. So today I disabled google play service and the play store and a few other Google apps with titanium. I was already averaging about 8hrs SOT using helix engine and elemental kernal but then this happened
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Nice. I installed helix. Never heard of it. How did you disable Google play services? Do I need the donate version? Thanks

Can I ask what are your settings for helix and ElementalX?

mookiexl said:
Too each its own. You can download apps from several different outlets that are safe. The only apps I had to replace was messenger with textra and gmail with Nine. I exported my contacts from the contacts app as vcf and restored them to my phone memory. I use vance tube which is an upgrade over youtube. When i want to sync my photos I'll enable google service framework to backup photos. Everybody doesn't need a phone to automatically and intrusively do simple task such as sync for them. The phone seems to even run better without those background services running .
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I'll be interested to see your results after a few weeks of use (including the photo backup phase).

@mookiexl what android you running?
I'd think that Pie + microg + Elementalx= Huge Profit Too...

DoR3M3 said:
@mookiexl what android you running?
I'd think that Pie + microg + Elementalx= Huge Profit Too...
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Correct. Though with the same set up I average 9hrs SOT with my Z2 force on 8.0 with I smaller battery than this phone.

Can't say I know much about Helix to trust it compared to microg and Elementalx...
hmm

DoR3M3 said:
Can't say I know much about Helix to trust it compared to microg and Elementalx...
hmm
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Here is an explanation of what it does:
Helix Engine is an Accessibility Service which automates dynamic performance profile switching (battery/balanced/performance modes) to provide better efficiency, improve battery consumption and performance depending on your usage.
For premium users, it integrates the use of Machine Learning to automatically adjust each tunable to achieve the desired jank percentage (how smooth or laggy the user wants their apps to run).
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Do you need Xposed for microG to work? I've always wanted to try it

I'm curious what, if any, settings you have enabled for ElementalX. I installed it after the November update. I thought that I had pretty decent battery life with only using Helix Engine. Right now I'd imagine it's about the same.
I'm also curious if there are ways to disable some aspects of Google Play Services. I unfortunately still use some Google things due to my school account. I remember in the past threads for better battery life but that seemed like a real hassle.

DoR3M3 said:
Can't say I know much about Helix to trust it compared to microg and Elementalx...
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It just controls per app Cpu and Gpu speeds and governor settings. So I just set profiles to underclock less ram extensive apps I use a lot.

mookiexl said:
It just controls per app Cpu and Gpu speeds and governor settings. So I just set profiles to underclock less ram extensive apps I use a lot.
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I was just trying to point out before, using something like a custom rom with microG, or a Google rom debloated and with microG and then a custom kernel, I wasn't really sure if this was going to be much of help, or worth bothering over.
If Helix was such a big thing, don't you think you'd see it everywhere? Thing is, it's not...

DoR3M3 said:
I was just trying to point out before, using something like a custom rom with microG, or a Google rom debloated and with microG and then a custom kernel, I wasn't really sure if this was going to be much of help, or worth bothering over.
If Helix was such a big thing, don't you think you'd see it everywhere? Thing is, it's not...
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Lol gotcha

You can disable Google Play Services if you uncheck Find My Device and Google Pay as device admin privileges.

After about 2 minutes of aimlessly speed reading to see what the hell this is I noticed there mean Opie developers page says in pulled how they're not they're working on this project any further so whatever this is was or can be God bless it
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Looks like a complete re-write happened. Check this out...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=79771541&postcount=3308

One UI home battery drain

anyone experience the issue? and how to resolve it? thanks\
just got the phones for the past few days. SOT around 5hours + and main battery drain is on one UI home

selferng said:
anyone experience the issue? and how to resolve it? thanks\
just got the phones for the past few days. SOT around 5hours + and main battery drain is on one UI home
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Check again after a few days.... Btfery drain is always worse after a factory reset or on a new phone as Android learns your usage Patterns

I have a 10+ running on Pie.
It took me months to sort out excessive battery usage. If your phone is running warm at idle you need to track down the causes. I use PD MDM package blocker which helps a lot if used wisely. A lot of junk that needs to be disable in settins too. My nominal battery usage screen off, plain jane AOD on is 1% an hour. Surfing the web, watching a vid is about 10% an hour. Your device probably uses more though even when optimized not sure though.
In Samsung Device Care, use factory load if it is the one with 360 degrees on it. Do not update.
•In Device Care punch Optimize for power/screen setting.
•Toggle on fast charging and -nothing- else. (see image)
You can then package block this app.
•This configuration will also keep power management from unwantedly killing apps in use like Poweramp. All other unused apps should go into standby mode when not in use or screen off... without power management options being toggled!
Use no 3rd party power management and for now don't toggle any apps to sleep.
•In Developer options>stand by apps, all buckets should show as active, if not unwanted power management is active.
Let the base Google default settings handle power management. Enabling advanced power management appears to cause conflicts leading to excessive CPU/battery usage.
•Any cloud app will steal power and bandwidth, Google Backup Transport and Goggle Services Framework are prime offenders.
•Disable all carrier, Samsung, Google etc diagnostic feedback as well as carrier updates and Playstore.
Enable as needed.
•Use Samsung Gallaxy Labs Battery Tracker to help track usage.
Framework will still show usage with AOD is active about 1% @ hour when blocked. It should be well below 1% when phone is active.
I've posted more detailed info in the 10+ forum.
Each phone configuration varies so try these suggestions, what works for me may or may not work for you.
Get a package disabler and start locking it down... play with it.

blackhawk said:
I use PD MDM package blocker which helps a lot if used wisely. A lot of junk that needs to be disable in settins too. My nominal battery usage screen off, plain jane AOD on is 1% an hour. Surfing the web, watching a vid is about 10% an hour. Your device probably uses more though even when optimized not sure though...
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Thanks for sharing your tips here.
Which app are you referring to? Is it Package Disabler Pro? Searching "PD MDM" brings up a whole load of different PD apps on the Play Store.
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apprentice said:
Thanks for sharing your tips here.
Which app are you referring to? Is it Package Disabler Pro? Searching "PD MDM" brings up a whole load of different PD apps on the Play Store.
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You're welcome.
They aren't on Playstore. You have to look a little or know about them.
Been using it for at least 3 years probably longer. Very stable. A great tool for non-rooted Samsungs.
https://www.packagedisabler.com/
Stopped using that paid one from Police-whatever because their lame app stopped being able to block AT&T updates.

blackhawk said:
You're welcome.
They aren't on Playstore. You have to look a little or know about them.
Been using it for at least 3 years probably longer. Very stable. A great tool for non-rooted Samsungs.
https://www.packagedisabler.com/
Stopped using that paid one from Police-whatever because their lame app stopped being able to block AT&T updates.
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Thanks for link. It's weird though, as the app made by Policedeveloper on the Play Store has the same UI and same name, they also use identical screenshots with an old Samsung phone model! I wonder if they are the same developer or one has copied the other.
I was using the one on the Play Store but it did break after upgrading to Android 10. I am considering buying the app you recommend but don't want to get burned again. I know its not a lot of money but I don't want to be sold a lemon!
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apprentice said:
Thanks for sharing your tips here.
Which app are you referring to? Is it Package Disabler Pro? Searching "PD MDM" brings up a whole load of different PD apps on the Play Store.
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apprentice said:
Thanks for link. It's weird though, as the app made by Policedeveloper on the Play Store has the same UI and same name, they also use identical screenshots with an old Samsung phone model! I wonder if they are the same developer or one has copied the other.
I was using the one on the Play Store but it did break after upgrading to Android 10. I am considering buying the app you recommend but don't want to get burned again. I know its not a lot of money but I don't want to be sold a lemon!
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Don't know who stole what but know I'll never use anything from Policedeveloper again. Trashware.
Didn't appreciate their lame attitude when I emailed them either.
I've used PD MDM on Kitkat and Pie. Lol, no plans to jam Q into my 10+ though; it's running stable and fast.
I was apprehensive at first too, but they have consistently given me a quality app.
If they say it's compatible you should be good to go.

blackhawk said:
You're welcome.
They aren't on Playstore. You have to look a little or know about them.
Been using it for at least 3 years probably longer. Very stable. A great tool for non-rooted Samsungs.
https://www.packagedisabler.com/
Stopped using that paid one from Police-whatever because their lame app stopped being able to block AT&T updates.
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That's the same one I used on my other devices what have you disabled so far???
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oneandroidnut said:
That's the same one I used on my other devices what have you disabled so far???
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Funny you should ask. I just alphabetized the list.
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In Google Play Services>app permissions, disable all to get Google Transport Framework from using excessive battery. Google Transport Framework and Google Transport are package blocked as well. The former is the last step to shut these power sucking background apks down. So far I haven't lost any functionality I use.
Took me a year to track all of these down. Ha!
Should be 94 blocked apks, may have lost some in the confusion of manipulating the list.
Some of the blocked apks I've enabled the widget toogle to turn them off/on like Playstore.
•I'm running a 10+ on Pie... no idea how the Fold on Q will respond to this list but probably similarly.
•This list is customized for my set up and circumstances; each user's needs are different.
Best practice is to formulate your own list... the hard way. That way you'll learn what the apks you're blocking do and how the apks interact/their dependencies.