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Disable Google Voice

Hi Guys
Is there a way to disable Google Voice in Nexus One in non-Rooted devices? Google results are not useful.
I don't want this application to run in the background. It restarts even if you kill it.

read up on how android handles memory allocation.

maybe you can help me and show me where to read?

henihazbay said:
maybe you can help me and show me where to read?
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Here you go. Highlights are at the bottom of my post and of the article.
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
*Android is hard coded to automatically kill a task when more memory is needed.
*Android is hard coded to automatically kill a task when it’s done doing what it needs to do.
*Android is hard coded to automatically kill a task when you haven’t returned to it in a long time.
*Most services (while possibly running in the background) use very little memory when not actively doing something.
*A content provider is only doing something when there is a notification for it to give. Otherwise it uses very little memory.
*Killing a process when it isn’t ready only causes it to have to reload itself and start from scratch when it’s needed again.
*Because a task is likely running in the background for a reason, killing it will only cause it to re-spawn as soon as the activity that was using it looks for it again. And it will just have to start over again.
*Killing certain processes can have undesirable side effects. Not receiving text messages, alarms not going off, and force closes just to name a few.
*The only true way to prevent something from running at all on your phone would be to uninstall the .apk.
*Most applications will exit themselves if you get out of it by hitting “back” until it closes rather than hitting the “home” button. But even with hitting home, Android will eventually kill it once it’s been in the background for a while.

Thanks for the reply.
Most of those highlights are not valid for me or for any nexus one users because:
a lot of unused application cause a big amount of RAM which is resulting with a lag/slower N1
Some applications will never be used by some users, for example Amazon MP3, or Google voice (for me)
So, coming to my initial question, is there a way to disable Google Voice?

I guess the simplest way is modacos kitchen. There is a option (?) to remove google voice.
And i agree that removing unneeded apps will improve performance.

any other ideas?

I have just deleted the apk from /system/app
;-)

when i go to /system/app and try to delete amazon MP3 it gives me an error...
i do see that it is -r- (i assume that means read only) is there a way to override that?

Either root and delete the .apk via adb, or you're out of luck.

jn_vista said:
when i go to /system/app and try to delete amazon MP3 it gives me an error...
i do see that it is -r- (i assume that means read only) is there a way to override that?
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Is your device rooted?

no root, no delete

jin1207 said:
no root, no delete
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Exactly. This forum isn't really the place for anyone who doesn't have or want root. Pretty much everything we do here requires root access.

Part Four said:
Exactly. This forum isn't really the place for anyone who doesn't have or want root. Pretty much everything we do here requires root access.
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Agreed! Be rooted and do what mod you want to do...

Out of curiosity, with the Nexus, with GoogleVoice running how much free memory do you have? As Cy would say, "free memory is wasted memory." Why kill the app if it's not draining the memory that's needed?

So Carloswithac, that means ("taskiller", "advanced task killer", etc) are practically useless??
If so I'm uninstalling them From My Nexus.

[REQUEST] Dialer app or Contacts app in memory

Hi,
Mods, feel free to move this to the Q&A if you think this is inappropriate. Thanks.
I would like to request whether a similar function like the "Home app in memory" for "Spare Parts" can be extended to critical functions like the Dialer and Contacts app? I find it irritating having the phone to constantly restart the application when coming off the browser or some other applications. It takes a good 2 seconds to load it completely. I have tried clearing the logs etc. but I think having it in memory would really speed up its use.
Can such a thing be done? Or has it been done? Please comment, thank you

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This is more of a request than a question...probably would go to the apps forum,
but anyway,
My solution is to download the AutoKiller app, and set it to whatever setting you like...go to settings, and find the running processes, long click on Dialer and select "Keep Alive"
Works for me. Always seems to stay in memory whenever I check running services. If you have any other task managers or app killers, be sure to "ignore" Dialer for those as well, so they don't close it either. Hope that helps. This is a great idea though, I've been introduced it along time ago, with no response, maybe you'll achieve otherwise. Good luck.

Klyentel said:
This is more of a request than a question...probably would go to the apps forum,
but anyway,
My solution is to download the AutoKiller app, and set it to whatever setting you like...go to settings, and find the running processes, long click on Dialer and select "Keep Alive"
Works for me. Always seems to stay in memory whenever I check running services. If you have any other task managers or app killers, be sure to "ignore" Dialer for those as well, so they don't close it either. Hope that helps. This is a great idea though, I've been introduced it along time ago, with no response, maybe you'll achieve otherwise. Good luck.
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Thanks for the alternative solution However, I am hoping that it would automatically boot it into memory when the phone starts, instead of having to run it once before it gets shifted into the memory. Hope I am making sense... but I'll certainly try your solution.

erlern said:
Thanks for the alternative solution However, I am hoping that it would automatically boot it into memory when the phone starts, instead of having to run it once before it gets shifted into the memory. Hope I am making sense... but I'll certainly try your solution.
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Im not sure...good point though, let me know how that works for ya

Klyentel said:
Im not sure...good point though, let me know how that works for ya
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Yeah, I tested your method and it works perfectly, just 1 second or less to switch. But as expected, I need to run it through Autokiller again when I reboot the system. I really hope that it can be autostarted and remained in the memory from the start. But that's a lot... this will have to do while we wait for a kind developer who may take pity on us on this matter

So they're loading slowly on your phone i'm guessing?

another app...
There is another app in the market called autostarts that you can set to start the dialer on startup, a long way of accomplishing what you want, but my work for you.

OP, it seems AutoKiller app will do this for you. Check this post in the How to configure Android's *internal* taskkiller thread.

Thanks for the advices guys. I have tried all of it, and as I am looking at the documentation for 'taskkiller' I seriously am sadden that it is more technical and complicated than "Spare Parts" simple feature of ticking a box
My phone at times loads things slower than usual, especially the dialer app when I have more than 10 call log contacts, etc. I guess it is a HTC Dream problem with its now ancient 528Mhz processor. *shrug*
If a developer can help out on this, it would be great

wait for my HTC cupcake Rom...
dialer is part of the phone and stays in memory.
takes around 1 second to load...

domenukk said:
wait for my HTC cupcake Rom...
dialer is part of the phone and stays in memory.
takes around 1 second to load...
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Thanks, will definitely wait for it I wonder whether this can be integrated into CyanogenMod?

erlern said:
I seriously am sadden that it is more technical and complicated than "Spare Parts" simple feature of ticking a box
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It is not complicated at all.
1) Install AutoKiller
2) Start AutoKiller
3) Allow it root access permanently if it asks, relaunch AutoKiller
4) Click on Processes tab
5) Long press on Dialer
6) Choose "Keep Alive"

Super Jamie said:
It is not complicated at all.
1) Install AutoKiller
2) Start AutoKiller
3) Allow it root access permanently if it asks, relaunch AutoKiller
4) Click on Processes tab
5) Long press on Dialer
6) Choose "Keep Alive"
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I understand the process. When I say it is complicated, I am referring to the need to redo every 5 steps whenever my phone is restarted. I restart my phone daily, and would find that having to relaunch Autokiller, and click this and that is more complicated than just clicking a box 'once' and not needing to worry about that anymore. In fact, this is the problem stated in the thread given under "durability". Thanks again.

Huhu... I've asked the same question too (less clearly than you do, but got the same answer) here and elsewhere...
I'm looking for exactly the same than you.

meuhlavache said:
Huhu... I've asked the same question too (less clearly than you do, but got the same answer) here and elsewhere...
I'm looking for exactly the same than you.
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I still hope there will be a kind developer who will help with this request. If the solution can be incorporated into a ROM like cyanogen's ROM, even better. Thank you anyone who may be interested.

www.bit.ly/b26PcJ <<this rom has the dialer locked into memory.
Big release will be as soon as I have the time for it.
please report if you like it and if everything works
have fun with it

I agree that this feature is a good idea and should be more standard. Making calls is the primary function of our devices and as such, I should be able to do it instantaneously. On my last non-smart phone, I was able to push talk and get the dialer in like, 1 micro-second. On my G1, I've gotten more used to waiting anywhere from 2 to 5 seconds.

+1
I would love this feature to be implemented in the future.

I too have been looking for a way to set the oom of a few processes to -17 so they'll never close. I've used autokiller, but i too hate that everything has to be set after every boot. I've set the minfree values through custom_init on my hacked up version of StupidFast 1.2, and I'd love to be able to set the oom values there too.

Well I am currently looking in the android source for a way to set it...
playing around with adb shell a little. will report soon
as long as I am doing this, you can still use the rom from above... HTC dialer is just sooo much better when it comes to speed, memory consumption and usability...
best thing would be to get this ported to donut...
/edit: first steps:
/proc/<pid>/oom-score shows process' current badness score.
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/proc/<pid>/oom-adj
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ther you could set the oom score....
get the pid with 'pidof [app name]'
you can include the pidof in the whole thing.
so it should be something like
echo -17 > /proc/'pidof [whatever app]'/oom-adj
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But I am not shure... still trying
but be aware that there is already waay to little memory avaliable on our phones...
possible for badness (this value) is anything from -17 to +15...
-17 will never be killed, no matter what.
/edit: there is also something like:
oomkilladj = OOM-DISABLE
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stupid :/
/edit: android contacts is com.android.contacts.
/edit: sorry, I have no more time. Anybody else try it please...
seems not to work for me like i have posted it...

[Q] how do you close apps?

so i found out how to force close apps under settings but theres gotta be a better way.
for example lets say i have browser, market, and facebook apps open. all showing under the window selection button. after time i get a ton of windows there and i don't want all of them open. how do i close them selectively without going through all the settings menu crud?
some apps let me close from within, most don't though and leave me stuck with a ton of windows (apps) open.

What you are asking isn't necessary unless an application has malfunctioned. There is no other way to close applications other than using the force close button in settings. Android handles this itself -- if this doesn't satisfy you download a task manager.

I don't think there is a way yet.
What Google needs to do is make those preview windows in the multitasking bar long-pressable for a menu to be able to close them.

modru2004 said:
so i found out how to force close apps under settings but theres gotta be a better way.
for example lets say i have browser, market, and facebook apps open. all showing under the window selection button. after time i get a ton of windows there and i don't want all of them open. how do i close them selectively without going through all the settings menu crud?
some apps let me close from within, most don't though and leave me stuck with a ton of windows (apps) open.
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There is no need to manually close out apps. Since 2.1, Android has done an excellent job managing memory. It's been written many times (some directly from Google) that micromanaging your apps will actually hurt battery performance. You'll essentially be working against the system as opposed to helping it.

I am not sure if my task manager is working on this device. I use AutoKiller and when I killed task it doesn't appear as though anything closes. Can somebody confirm?

atoy74 said:
There is no need to manually close out apps. Since 2.1, Android has done an excellent job managing memory. It's been written many times (some directly from Google) that micromanaging your apps will actually hurt battery performance. You'll essentially be working against the system as opposed to helping it.
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id like to point out thats NOT the issue.
the issue is the ton of windows you end up having to sort through unless you close them. its a quality of life thing, i don't like having unused unnecessary windows open that i have to sort through to get to the stuff i am using. its just bad form.

foldog22 said:
I am not sure if my task manager is working on this device. I use AutoKiller and when I killed task it doesn't appear as though anything closes. Can somebody confirm?
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It will most likely not work until its rewritten. The way 2.2 and now 3.0 allow access is completely different then 2.1 and below. Plus as said about 200 million task there is 0 reason to run a task killer. If you wanna clear them out, even though there is 0 reason, reboot.

Okay, I get the memory management issue, but as the OP pointed out, I've got all sorts of icons in the "task bar area" (bottom right hand corner) that just sit there or keep coming back.
For example, I haven't listened to any music on my Xoom since yesterday morning, yet I've got an icon down there for Music and Rhapsody. Also, there's no way to clear some notifications.
There's got to be a way to at least clear out the notification isn't there?

you tap on the little icon music for example and you will see a little x on the right of it, click that and it closes it from the notification system

There is absolutely no reason to use a task killer or manually kill tasks. 2.2, 2.3, 3.0, etc. handle memory and tasks extremely well. In many cases, task killers will only cost you more battery and more slowdowns than letting tasks just run out and sit in memory. Unless you're seeing rogue or malfunctioning tasks in the background causing slowdowns, there is no need to kill them.
I do wish you could scroll through the recent running apps rather than only being able to access the latest 5, but spam closing background apps doesnt help at all.

arrtoodeetoo said:
I don't think there is a way yet.
What Google needs to do is make those preview windows in the multitasking bar long-pressable for a menu to be able to close them.
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While I haven't used a task manager since I started learning how android actually works last year when starting to make apps, I can't help but want the same thing in honeycomb for malfunctioning apps. I think google left it out intentionally to discourage task-killing rampages by oblivious users.

Every time I read "you do not need to close apps" I want to scream. first hour of usage I had a second browser installed and it and the stock browser were conflicting with each other... all I wanted to do was a quick close of one of the browsers.
There are always a multitude of good reasons to want to close a background app. I completely understand the technical reasons why an app does not need to be closed, but from a user experience point of view, it should be made simple.

mjpacheco said:
Every time I read "you do not need to close apps" I want to scream. first hour of usage I had a second browser installed and it and the stock browser were conflicting with each other... all I wanted to do was a quick close of one of the browsers.
There are always a multitude of good reasons to want to close a background app. I completely understand the technical reasons why an app does not need to be closed, but from a user experience point of view, it should be made simple.
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Which is exactly why in my first post I said "...isn't necessary unless an application has malfunctioned" otherwise such a thing is barely necessary. And in your case, the classic "Settings > ....... > Force Close" would have easily sufficed.

So what you are saying is that a method to kill tasks is necessary, just not often. I, for instance, just had the xda app stuck on the splash screen. I killed it and restarted the app and all was good. There is a potential for harm if used over zealously but at times it would be nice if there was a more convenient way to close an app when necessary.
Applications do not always behave as they should so to say there is no need to kill am app is making a naive assumption that every android app is perfect.
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martonikaj said:
I do wish you could scroll through the recent running apps rather than only being able to access the latest 5, but spam closing background apps doesnt help at all.
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Oddly enough, if you turn to portrait, you get a few more. So, technically its not a hard limit on 5, but rather (literally) limited by space on the screen.
Anyone want to place a bet as to what rev we see scrollability?
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JanetPanic said:
So what you are saying is that a method to kill tasks is necessary, just not often. I, for instance, just had the xda app stuck on the splash screen. I killed it and restarted the app and all was good. There is a potential for harm if used over zealously but at times it would be nice if there was a more convenient way to close an app when necessary.
Applications do not always behave as they should so to say there is no need to kill am app is making a naive assumption that every android app is perfect.
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If this happens use the built in task killer, settings/applications/running tab.
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bwcorvus said:
If this happens use the built in task killer, settings/applications/running tab.
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I did and it worked. As I said it would be nice to have a more convenient way of force stopping apps that are not behaving.
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Closing apps isn't necessary for two reasons.
1. Android does a good job at managing apps on its own.
2. You have 1GB of RAM to work with.
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Watchdog does a considerable job since it only lets you know when an app is misbehaving. And since being on 2.3 its barely given me any alerts. Perhaps further proving the awesome memory management.
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delete please

How do I close apps?!?

Ok, I just got my Xoom. Some apps, like Pandora, dont close and dont have a option to. How do I close them?
And how do I close the windows that are open when I hit one of the bottom left keys?
sorry, im really new lol

There is no need to close applications in Android.
But if you really want to close a applcation, go to Settings > Applications > Running click on application you want to close and click Stop.

I came across in interesting article that shows why Android doesn't need a task killer which is in line with your question. So apparently the OS "knows" what apps need to stay in memory and which can be killed.

Good article. Also new to Android. Helps to understand how this all works.

I haven't been able to get Pandora to turn off either but that's the only app that I've had issues with. I can pause it, but the icon still reflects near the clock, which annoys me. I usually just kill it from within settings.
More often than not, you can just back out of the programs by hitting the left arrow a number of times. Otherwise just let HC deal with it accordingly, hit Home and move on. I'm learning it'll free up memory when it needs it.

I havent used pandora on the xoom, but on my epic theres an "exit" button in the menu

2ksilverbullet said:
I haven't been able to get Pandora to turn off either but that's the only app that I've had issues with. I can pause it, but the icon still reflects near the clock, which annoys me. I usually just kill it from within settings.
More often than not, you can just back out of the programs by hitting the left arrow a number of times. Otherwise just let HC deal with it accordingly, hit Home and move on. I'm learning it'll free up memory when it needs it.
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That's how I've been closing apps too. Did you get pandora from the market? I installed it from the market and it won't run on my xoom.

SPIDERTECH said:
That's how I've been closing apps too. Did you get pandora from the market? I installed it from the market and it won't run on my xoom.
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theres a thread somewhere with a fixed apk..

DroidHam said:
theres a thread somewhere with a fixed apk..
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Cool. Thanks. I'll look for it.

I'm using the apk from some other tablet, cant remember which one it was. There's no exit that I've found yet on that version. I don't use it that often so its not a huge concern, just an annoyance.

Nice article... So Android make a kind of save state of the app and leaves its resources to the app in need... clever!

Saying that you dont need to close App's because Android "knows" is just redic. We all have task-manager's on Android why is Honeycomb different? Simply put it isn't and we just have no working solution currently. Why do I say this?
When I have several app's open you can tell the system slow's down. Why can I not close the App's I wont be continuously using?

jamaicansolja said:
Saying that you dont need to close App's because Android "knows" is just redic. We all have task-manager's on Android why is Honeycomb different? Simply put it isn't and we just have no working solution currently. Why do I say this?
When I have several app's open you can tell the system slow's down. Why can I not close the App's I wont be continuously using?
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You can. Put a shortcut on the homescreen to battery usage and close the that you're done with. There's really no need to close them anyways.
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Hey guys, if you are ever having an issue with a certain app and need to force close it.
Hit the home button, go into the app tray, long press the app and drag it up to the (i), then from there click Force Stop

In this same vein, is there a way to keep an App from being automatically closed? For example, AOL Instant Messenger never seems to close but GTalk disappears after some inactivity.

[Q] Could someone please explain the JB multitasking?

Can anyone explain to me why the JellyBean multitasking is so damn weird? Whenever im using my phone and i open the task manager, i ALWAYS see a random app open which i never opened after rebooting. For example, rebooted my phone this morning and the only apps i opened were the phone app, messaging, mail. However, the task manager lists the following apps as open: "Android core apps, Tasks, Picasa Uploader, Social Manager, Notes".
So my questions is, Why are all these random apps open and eating up battery and memory? I guess android core apps must be system required to run in background at all times but what about the other ones? Is there a way to fix this?
I have used ICS and GB on htc inpire and sensation and both software versions would not show these "random" apps open, it would only show what ive opened and let run in the background.
Thanks for all the help.

mominn8266 said:
Can anyone explain to me why the JellyBean multitasking is so damn weird? Whenever im using my phone and i open the task manager, i ALWAYS see a random app open which i never opened after rebooting. For example, rebooted my phone this morning and the only apps i opened were the phone app, messaging, mail. However, the task manager lists the following apps as open: "Android core apps, Tasks, Picasa Uploader, Social Manager, Notes".
So my questions is, Why are all these random apps open and eating up battery and memory? I guess android core apps must be system required to run in background at all times but what about the other ones? Is there a way to fix this?
I have used ICS and GB on htc inpire and sensation and both software versions would not show these "random" apps open, it would only show what ive opened and let run in the background.
Thanks for all the help.
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Use an app called greenify in play store to keep apps from opening.
Here's the link to the apps XDA page http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155737
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majortaylor said:
Use an app called greenify in play store to keep apps from opening.
Here's the link to the apps XDA page http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155737
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Thanks ill try that app. This multitasking system really makes me mad. Why would anyone come up with a system like this that wastes battery and performance...

Unfortunately greenify only helps with non system apps. So notes, tasks, weather, social manager and etc will still have a mind of their own and open whenever they want.

mominn8266 said:
Thanks ill try that app. This multitasking system really makes me mad. Why would anyone come up with a system like this that wastes battery and performance...
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You obviously have no idea how the Android OS works.
Unless you have actual evidence that these apps are hurting your battery and performance, you should really stop worrying about it. I'm pretty sure the people who designed the OS have a pretty good idea of how to optimize its performance.

thebobmannh said:
You obviously have no idea how the Android OS works.
Unless you have actual evidence that these apps are hurting your battery and performance, you should really stop worrying about it. I'm pretty sure the people who designed the OS have a pretty good idea of how to optimize its performance.
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Maybe you could help me understand how it works then? My only question / concern is why are apps that have never been opened running in the background?

mominn8266 said:
Maybe you could help me understand how it works then? My only question / concern is why are apps that have never been opened running in the background?
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Sorry, didn't mean to be a douche (or, I did mean to, but shouldn't have been).
If you say you've "never opened" them, why do you even bother having them installed? You've been given a solution to this "problem," (Greenify), but honestly any benefit you see will more than likely be placebo. The OS is generally smart enough to know what to run and what not to run. Apps that are loaded into memory aren't necessarily "running" in the traditional sense, they're just in memory. It doesn't take any extra battery to have something in memory (memory is either powered on or not).

thebobmannh said:
Sorry, didn't mean to be a douche (or, I did mean to, but shouldn't have been).
If you say you've "never opened" them, why do you even bother having them installed? You've been given a solution to this "problem," (Greenify), but honestly any benefit you see will more than likely be placebo. The OS is generally smart enough to know what to run and what not to run. Apps that are loaded into memory aren't necessarily "running" in the traditional sense, they're just in memory. It doesn't take any extra battery to have something in memory (memory is either powered on or not).
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unless causing wakelocks or syncing/updating when you don't want them too, I tend to just turn my Radios on and off as I need them.

thebobmannh said:
Sorry, didn't mean to be a douche (or, I did mean to, but shouldn't have been).
If you say you've "never opened" them, why do you even bother having them installed? You've been given a solution to this "problem," (Greenify), but honestly any benefit you see will more than likely be placebo. The OS is generally smart enough to know what to run and what not to run. Apps that are loaded into memory aren't necessarily "running" in the traditional sense, they're just in memory. It doesn't take any extra battery to have something in memory (memory is either powered on or not).
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Dont be sorry, never took it offensively lol
I cant really uninstall system apps such as notes, tasks, social manager (even though i dont even have facebook or twitter installed). Trust me ive disabled all the apps in greenify and uninstalled all the apps i could that i didnt want.
I also have another question, When i open the "recent" app interface, does swiping to the right mean the app is closed or just taken off the list? is there a way to "kill" an app using the recent app menu?

mominn8266 said:
Dont be sorry, never took it offensively lol
I cant really uninstall system apps such as notes, tasks, social manager (even though i dont even have facebook or twitter installed). Trust me ive disabled all the apps in greenify and uninstalled all the apps i could that i didnt want.
I also have another question, When i open the "recent" app interface, does swiping to the right mean the app is closed or just taken off the list? is there a way to "kill" an app using the recent app menu?
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not sure but there's an easy way to find out.
swipe it away then check in settings, apps, running. If it's still there then no, if it isn't then, yes.
If that doesn't work then no there isn't a way to kill in recent, if it does, then yes there is and you discovered how.