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Hello,
So I received my all new HTC U11 3 days back ( in India) officially. HTC u11 has world's best rated camera but I am not quite satisfied with the results.
1.) Rear camera is really struggling to capture the photos in low light. I can clearly see the noise.
2.) Front facing camera has no OIS so pictures are blurry and most of the times I noisy photos.
Find the attachments below :
1.) Front facing camera
2 ) rear facing camera
See the noise and level of quality.
hm.. photo #1 has the plant completely out of focus. photo #2 has the pot in focus. you may wanna make sure that the subject is in focus before snapping.
did you change the camera settings to "Touch autoexposure"? The default mode of the camera is "Center-weighted"
Conan1986 said:
hm.. photo #1 has the plant completely out of focus. photo #2 has the pot in focus. you may wanna make sure that the subject is in focus before snapping.
did you change the camera settings to "Touch autoexposure"? The default mode of the camera is "Center-weighted"
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Thank you for replying. Let me make the things clear.
The first photo was taken from the selfie camera where I tried to focus on the plant/pot everywhere but it was not focusing anyhow. No matter what it wasn't focusing.
In low light, I can clearly see the noise in the all corners.
The selfie camera doesn't have auto focus everything is in focus ( as long as it is at least 18 inches away). Play around with the settings for the rear camera. HDR auto, HDR, so far all my photos are excellent focal point and background.
Conan1986 said:
hm.. photo #1 has the plant completely out of focus. photo #2 has the pot in focus. you may wanna make sure that the subject is in focus before snapping.
did you change the camera settings to "Touch autoexposure"? The default mode of the camera is "Center-weighted"
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schmeggy929 said:
The selfie camera doesn't have auto focus everything is in focus ( as long as it is at least 18 inches away). Play around with the settings for the rear camera. HDR auto, HDR, so far all my photos are excellent focal point and background.
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Well I have attached a sample selfie shot. Please check and tell me.
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Well I have attached a sample selfie shot. Please check and tell me.
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Like I said you are too close using the selfie cam, it is meant too be an arm's long away to have everything in focus.
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Like I said you are too close using the selfie cam, it is meant too be an arm's long away to have everything in focus.
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Sir I am not complaining about the focus and all... See the noise... Can't you see the noise in the picture?
Even zoom your spiderman... You will notice the same noise.
[email protected] said:
Sir I am not complaining about the focus and all... See the noise... Can't you see the noise in the picture?
Even zoom your spiderman... You will notice the same noise.[/Q
Adjust the iso manually
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Conan1986 said:
did you change the camera settings to "Touch autoexposure"? The default mode of the camera is "Center-weighted"
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Hi. Can you say more here or is there a link to how we can best make this adjustment? I'm not terribly savvy and appreciate the tips. Thx.
skypilotofhope said:
Hi. Can you say more here or is there a link to how we can best make this adjustment? I'm not terribly savvy and appreciate the tips. Thx.
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Well, in the camera app, pull down the slider with the = icon, swipe to the right to reveal "Settings" which is on the left, tap on that and "Touch autoexposure" should be the first option.
This option is important if you tend to compose your shots with the subject not in the middle (rule of thirds) so tapping on your subject will adjust the exposure and focus according to your subject.
My low light shots are all at over 3000 ISO which leaves quite a bit of visible noise in the picture.
Not liking the camera in poor lighting just yet. Hopefully they will introduce an ISO limiter, or simply fix this in an upcoming update.
I also have a lot of noise in low light photos (rear camera). Automode just isn´t usable if you want to have nice low light photos. The pictures look like that of phones some years ago. Light sources are also always blown out a lot. I also think that the OIS of the U11 isn´t the best out there. So far I don´t really think that this is the best smartphone camera and I was hoping for a better camera performance. HTC told a german magazine in May that they want to deliver an update for the camera. But I don´t know if they really deliver or if this update was the small update of June (?) of the camera app itself. I did this update and nothing changed.
Camera is phenomenal with stunning low light performance.
Check one of mine in auto
IMAG0247 by xristos zerzis, on Flickr
Guys, I've been into photography for over 40yrs. - shooting at ISO 3000 will give you noise onless you're using one of the latest Pro or Prosumer cameras w/advanced sensors- the Nikon D5 / D500 are full frame cropped frame verions ef virtually the same camera in terms of auto focus, pic rendition, & yes, superlative results w/astronomical ISO's - which both support. This is a phone, not a prosumer or petter camera. 3000 ISO is gonna give noise. There are a number of companies that make post processing software specifically to help w/Noise. That nite shot the other fellow took is good work.
The phone is great. The camera is quite good. Deal w/the technical realities & don't expect the cellphone camera to deal w/noise like a Pro DSLR.
foxy4270 said:
Camera is phenomenal with stunning low light performance.
Check one of mine in auto
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That's great, but the ISO fired at only 1262.
Whenever I take a shot in similar lighting, auto mode uses ISO 3152, which means there will be a lot of noise.
Perhaps there are different software versions going around, because my phone has very poor low light performance in auto mode due to it using a far higher ISO than it should.
oldwolf613 said:
The phone is great. The camera is quite good. Deal w/the technical realities & don't expect the cellphone camera to deal w/noise like a Pro DSLR.
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I'm not expecting such a small sensor to handle ISO well - I'm expecting that the camera won't default to a ridiculously high ISO like 3152 where my previous Samsung S6 was happily snapping along at ~1000 with stellar results.
Yes, everyone knows that this isn't a DSLR. But when they claim to have the best smartphone camera around I expect better results. I also don't know why they use a smaller sensor than before... This phone goes for 749 Euro and the low light results often look like from an old S5 or iPhone 4. The Automode just isn't usable in this scenarios. If they deliver an update they could solve the issues, I guess.
Turn on pro mode and drop ISO..
rom116 said:
Turn on pro mode and drop ISO..
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And here in the first sample you can see what I mean with this weak OIS...
Zico, as someone else said go Pro mode & get lower ISO, & even if this phone's camera sensor is smaller than prev ones, - compared to a Pro(sumer) DSLR, this fone's cam compared to prev one vs.
DSLR is like the choosing pinch hitters who bat .249 & .253- the smaller fone sensor is just a bit less than the prev *slightly* bigger one- then there is the density of pixels & dynamic range that make for a good camera - Y am I still talking abt this?
Pro mode and manually selecting ISO is not a solution to a poorly tuned auto mode - it is a workaround that is barely tolerable.
If you want very nice and sharp photos than you have to install "Bacon Camera" for your Samsung. We hope that someone can do a mod like Google Pixel Quality.
What does bacon camera do that is better than stock? Stock app is good all around but low lighting, it tends to tint red
The photos are sharper and have less noise. The tint problem will be fixed with an update I think
The only reason Gcam is better than Samsung's is because Google uses machine learning and it's massive database for that, I don't think this camera has these at its disposal.
Edit: This app doesn't support camera2 API, meaning you actually have very little control of what the hardware can do and all changes are software edited.
You can also try Footej Camera
Samsung pro mode is better than most of the copy cat apps in the play store. The only thing that works better is the gcam mod for front facing selfie portraits because of the machine learning blur.
The stock app, and the gcam, are the only camera apps you need.
But gcam is Not Working at this moment for s9+
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If you want very nice and sharp photos than you have to install "Bacon Camera" for your Samsung. We hope that someone can do a mod like Google Pixel Quality.
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You wouldn't happen to be the developer of Bacon would you?
I really want the Drama Photo effect from my Galaxy S4. Any idea where I can find this or an app that is like it. This effect will take 4 to 7 shots of a moving subject, and then stitch it together to show the movement of someone. thanks
I don't know any app that give you this. But for me personally I tried yesterday some versions of the gcam mod. Only one version is working a little bit. But picture quality is amazing. I hope someone do a full working mod for our dual camera than you have a Google Pixel camera with Samsung hardware.
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I don't know any app that give you this. But for me personally I tried yesterday some versions of the gcam mod. Only one version is working a little bit. But picture quality is amazing. I hope someone do a full working mod for our dual camera than you have a Google Pixel camera with Samsung hardware.
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Which version? Miniuser version have tinting issue and the rest black screen.
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Which version? Miniuser version have tinting issue and the rest black screen.
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I can't remember which version either. It was very buggy. It wouldn't save pictures Everytime and FC a lot
BuckRambo said:
I really want the Drama Photo effect from my Galaxy S4. Any idea where I can find this or an app that is like it. This effect will take 4 to 7 shots of a moving subject, and then stitch it together to show the movement of someone. thanks
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Did you find on apkmirror? That was really good module!
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Samsung pro mode is better than most of the copy cat apps in the play store. The only thing that works better is the gcam mod for front facing selfie portraits because of the machine learning blur.
The stock app, and the gcam, are the only camera apps you need.
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Agreed! Pro mode on stock is awesome!
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Stock app is good all around but low lighting, it tends to tint red
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I thought adding a dual aperture is supposed to help with low lighting???
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I thought adding a dual aperture is supposed to help with low lighting???
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It does, but most company besides Google have white balance issue.
Gcam doesnt do low light from what I see. Stock does very well in low light
Is really google camera that good compared to stock samsung camera?
Low-light photo quality sorta depends on the situation. If taking photos outside in low lighting, if you can keep your hands PERFECTLY still, the results can look better than the Pixel 2, but if we're talking consistency, I'd choose the Pixel 9 times out of 10. If taking photos inside in low lighting, especially when the subject is people or food, the quality comes out super soft. Some people like it, but it looks terrible to me. In these situations, I'd choose the Pixel 2 every single time, as it's consistent.
@jassu what app do you mean?
After hours and hours of testing and depleting my battery twice in a day, I can safely say that I found a google camera which has front facing camera working with HDR+ and also portrait mode working.
On top of that the quality of the pictures taken with the rear camera were also very high quality. So far it's working on latest MIUI 10 Global Beta as well as custom roms like latest AEX.
The gcam I'm talking about is the CameraX-V2.apk from alone_in_dark https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-alone_in_dark/
HDR+Enhanced doesn't work on front camera, so remember to switch back to HDR+ after you use it on rear camera.
Posted my settings bellow.
Saicoth said:
After hours and hours of testing and depleting my battery twice in a day, I can safely say that I found a google camera which has front facing camera working with HDR+ and also portrait mode working.
On top of that the quality of the pictures taken with the rear camera were also very high quality. So far it's working on latest MIUI 10 Global Beta as well as custom roms like latest AEX.
The gcam I'm talking about is the CameraX-V2.apk from alone_in_dark https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-alone_in_dark/
HDR+Enhanced doesn't work on front camera, so remember to switch back to HDR+ after you use it on rear camera.
Posted my settings bellow.
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It does not work with low light... ... .... ....
Destrangis said:
It does not work with low light... ... .... ....
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Close the camera completely, start it again, switch to front. Then take a selfie in good light, then you can take as many as you want in low light as well. Works for me, try it.
Saicoth said:
Close the camera completely, start it again, switch to front. Then take a selfie in good light, then you can take as many as you want in low light as well. Works for me, try it.
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It works only if you take one in good light and don't close the app/change modes/open gallery. That's not a repeatable nor reliable in any lightning condition except in daylight. So it was already known issue which is yet to be fixed.
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Close the camera completely, start it again, switch to front. Then take a selfie in good light, then you can take as many as you want in low light as well. Works for me, try it.
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It doesn't work. It's not HDR+, it's the normal picture. Compare with MIUI or Nokia camera :/
Destrangis said:
It doesn't work. It's not HDR+, it's the normal picture. Compare with MIUI or Nokia camera :/
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I can assure you it is HDR+
Saicoth said:
I can assure you it is HDR+
First picture taken with MIUI camera original was 7.8 MB and the second taken with Gcam was 9.7 MB. The dynamic range and colors are better for sure. Focus doesn't seem to be working on the gcam though, and google photos compressed the gcam photo more.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZZrKLRjtAZd6Jpw76
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Xzrq24EKvgwxXp8p9
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Front cam, not back cam. HDR+ works any Gcam in back cam...
Destrangis said:
Front cam, not back cam. HDR+ works any Gcam in back cam...
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pls look at the resolution before posting, ofc it's front cam, back cam is 12 mpx not 13
Saicoth said:
pls look at the resolution before posting, ofc it's front cam, back cam is 12 mpx not 13
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Bro, It is still a good light photo and the problem has always been with low light... upload low-light photos
Destrangis said:
Bro, It is still a good light photo and the problem has always been with low light... upload low-light photos
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Don't know why I should provide proof lol. I've taken 4 more shots, 2 are with artificial light on and two are very low light photos with lights off, just a bit of light coming in from the window.
MIUI cam with artificial light https://photos.app.goo.gl/5VjDPsap3TkmaFZv6
Gcam with artificial light https://photos.app.goo.gl/UWDxyqSH6wj5fEEw5
MIUI cam very low light https://photos.app.goo.gl/Npdwk3Ng1qZLUypz7
Gcam very low light https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZQFfz1QLM3CF6sQH7
All photos were taken in auto mode no over or under exposure.
If it doesn't work for you I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do. I don't try to make hoaxes here, I just didn't find a Gcam with front camera working like this one, so I thought I'd share it. I guess it's better than nothing.
Another thing, if your photos load after you take them with gcam then it means they are HDR+ photos, if it's instant it's not HDR+. All the photos I take with Gcam front are loading 2 seconds before they show up.
Edit: Best thing would be to wait for someone skilled to mod a gcam for our device.
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Don't know why I should provide proof lol. I've taken 4 more shots, 2 are with artificial light on and two are very low light photos with lights off, just a bit of light coming in from the window.
MIUI cam with artificial light https://photos.app.goo.gl/5VjDPsap3TkmaFZv6
Gcam with artificial light https://photos.app.goo.gl/UWDxyqSH6wj5fEEw5
MIUI cam very low light https://photos.app.goo.gl/Npdwk3Ng1qZLUypz7
Gcam very low light https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZQFfz1QLM3CF6sQH7
All photos were taken in auto mode no over or under exposure.
If it doesn't work for you I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do. I don't try to make hoaxes here, I just didn't find a Gcam with front camera working like this one, so I thought I'd share it. I guess it's better than nothing.
Another thing, if your photos load after you take them with gcam then it means they are HDR+ photos, if it's instant it's not HDR+. All the photos I take with Gcam front are loading 2 seconds before they show up.
Edit: Best thing would be to wait for someone skilled to mod a gcam for our device.
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the album is empty...
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Oh man sorry, I deleted around 80 test pictures I had in google photos and cleared the trash as well like a stupid idiot without thinking they'll disappear from here as well.
I'll take them again tomorrow and update the links. Sorry again.
I took some pictures outside and then inside. You don't have to turn it up. Its working. Thank you for your research.
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After hours and hours of testing and depleting my battery twice in a day, I can safely say that I found a google camera which has front facing camera working with HDR+ and also portrait mode working.
On top of that the quality of the pictures taken with the rear camera were also very high quality. So far it's working on latest MIUI 10 Global Beta as well as custom roms like latest AEX.
The gcam I'm talking about is the CameraX-V2.apk from alone_in_dark https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-alone_in_dark/
HDR+Enhanced doesn't work on front camera, so remember to switch back to HDR+ after you use it on rear camera.
Posted my settings bellow.
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Nah, it wont work in lowlight.
Saicoth said:
Oh man sorry, I deleted around 80 test pictures I had in google photos and cleared the trash as well like a stupid idiot without thinking they'll disappear from here as well.
I'll take them again tomorrow and update the links. Sorry again.
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Not only that, with Gcam minimal it also works and with HDR+ Enhanced. If you take a picture with the front panel in low light then they work in low light until you close the application or change it. Gcam is to tell the camera that you have taken a very bright picture before.
It's still not working in low light. It's not a repeatable pattern to make it work.
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It's still not working in low light. It's not a repeatable pattern to make it work.
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agree, it works once for first time after rebooting device, other than that no pattern makes it work again unless reboot device again.
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It's still not working in low light. It's not a repeatable pattern to make it work.
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No, my pattern works with enhanced HDR+. We already know how to make it work, now we just need a dev to take an interest
https://photos.app.goo.gl/uQpXbBiG6pSBqtvL6
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No, it is a pattern. With enhanced HDR+, Make yourself a selfie with good light, it works. Without closing the application and without entering the gallery, enter an interior, it will work until you close or change the application.
Therefore, if you could get the front camera to believe that you had taken a picture in good light when you entered it would work.
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/...leCamera_5.2.025-Minimal-Beta-Final_test2.apk
https://photos.app.goo.gl/uQpXbBiG6pSBqtvL6
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I was doing that before the OP found out about it, I know the trick, but that's not the point, it still doesn't trigger in conditions other than bright daylight, do you understand that?
You can't go out every time just to make the camera work, and what about conditions worse than that, where are you going to find bright enough light to trick the camera, for example when you are going out in the evening? Even indoors during the day you have a hard time triggering it.
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I was doing that before the OP found out about it, I know the trick, but that's not the point, it still doesn't trigger in conditions other than bright daylight, do you understand that?
Ok, but there is a pattern. Until now there was nothing. It's probably something to do with the default aperture value of the lens or something similar. For some reason, after taking a photo with good light conditions those values change. It would be enough to modify the initial values by the new ones.... But they need some interested developers.
No need to be angry, I'm just trying to help.
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Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Xiaomi Mi 9 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Took a photo in Pro mode with telephoto zoom and it turned out well! It isn't even 48mp here
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love the chester pictures- any chance of posting more pictures. i think i have found my next phone.
QUOTE Took a photo in Pro mode with telephoto zoom and it turned out well! It isn't even 48mp here
Nice, France
Good light conditions.
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Nice, France
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It looks pretty noisy. I assume it is already scaled down?
What were the settings?
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It looks pretty noisy. I assume it is already scaled down?
What were the settings?
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Yeah a bit of noise on that one. Just default settings/auto, with HDR I think on that one. Gcam port should really unlock the potential of this hardware.
I am really liking the cam so far though...
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Yeah a bit of noise on that one. Just default settings/auto, with HDR I think on that one. Gcam port should really unlock the potential of this hardware.
I am really liking the cam so far though...
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Can you post the original size file ?
Curious to see it, as the people on the bench (lower left) look soft on the focus ....
I made a comparison between Huawei Mate 20 Pro and Xiaomi Mi 9.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ecGsAyjPUKVQ7adX9
I'll gradually add more photos.
See the watermark to differentiate the phones.
Images without watermark were captured with the Google Pixel Port (in the dark with Nightsight)
Images were captured via point and shoot, both "AI" Features are enabled. Google Pixel with HDR+
Mate 20 superior in dark but that's no surprise. Solid cam on Mi9 nevertheless.
Im not very satisfied with the camera quality. It seems like that the mi9 is doing worse compared to what I was used from my Galaxy S7 or even with my Xiaomi Mi Mix 2s. Here a few pictures from yesterday. At some point the software seems to do to much magic and kills the quality. Plus, the software seems to be unstable and the camera crashed two times while taking pictures and was not able to connect again to the camera -> reboot / kill camera app and start it again.
All done with HDR Auto and AI on.
https://i.postimg.cc/k4WnVH3p/IMG-20190309-100054.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/9XtmCsB4/IMG-20190309-101147.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Z5gZwmJQ/IMG-20190309-101815.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/c4xsHTDF/IMG-20190309-102122.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/RZq41hxf/IMG-20190309-104657.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/MGQw4LTp/IMG-20190309-112255.jpg
Same images as above but for what ever reason the preview does not work
WOW ! zooming into the originals and they look CRAP ! over use of oil painting effect....
I hear you - Im looking to upgrade from a S7 and picture quality is high on my list... that is not acceptable !
Are you using AI mode or other filtering options?
TLJester said:
WOW ! zooming into the originals and they look CRAP ! over use of oil painting effect....
I hear you - Im looking to upgrade from a S7 and picture quality is high on my list... that is not acceptable !
Are you using AI mode or other filtering options?
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HDR was set to "Auto" and AI was "On". No (other) filtering was used and yes, this oil painting wheen zooming in is insane. I really hope that this is just a bug and Xiomi will fix it soon, since even the Mi Mix 2s have not had that bad image quality.
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HDR was set to "Auto" and AI was "On". No (other) filtering was used and yes, this oil painting wheen zooming in is insane. I really hope that this is just a bug and Xiomi will fix it soon, since even the Mi Mix 2s have not had that bad image quality.
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Try turning AI off - i hear that messes up the end result worse then making it better
But agree - shouldn't need to turn off a feature that other manufactures dont have issues with ...
could someone install gcam and take some images on the mi9 with that?
TLJester said:
WOW ! zooming into the originals and they look CRAP ! over use of oil painting effect....
I hear you - Im looking to upgrade from a S7 and picture quality is high on my list... that is not acceptable !
Are you using AI mode or other filtering options?
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I have minimized this problem by changing the sharpless form the settings
Inviato dal mio MI 9 utilizzando Tapatalk
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auto / AI
https://drive.google.com/open?id=15XlkkmAXQRhsUyumqxdNDBEju3XZBj0r
HDR+ enhanced
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1YsseU8LYKM2F7Z_9_XcF7W-o3Yq0g4Hy
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Great shots!
Is there any possibility to shoot RAW (DNG) photos from stock camera apk? Can anybody post RAW photo from every MI9 sensor? (especialy from 48mp)
why mi9 uses very high iso in low light?
for example when other phones settings is about 1/17sec and iso 2000, mi9 setting is about 1/14 and iso +7000 !
even redmi note 7 iso is much lower.
alireza_asol said:
why mi9 uses very high iso in low light?
for example when other phones settings is about 1/17sec and iso 2000, mi9 setting is about 1/14 and iso +7000 !
even redmi note 7 iso is much lower.
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Interesting I thought that Mi9 is increasing iso to achive lower exposure time beacuse of lack of OIS, but dunno why other phones has the same time and lower iso while having the same aperture (about f/1.7) maybe Mi9's f/1.75 is fake?
Did you compare same light conditions photos?
PS Could someone post RAW from Mi9?
Hi everyone,
As the name of the thread, can someone explain the difference between the two types of Lens group?
8p are only on pro version
7p on normale mi note 10
Reading some info in the web, there s a lot of confusion about this:
some say that 8p can capture more light than 7p, but it is something that I don't think because the sensitivity to light is determined by the sensor itself and by the aperture (f1.7 on both), not by the lenses.
some others say that the images are sharper on the 8p, and it's another thing I don't believe in, unless the quality of the lenses themselves, regardless of their number, is lower on the 7p. And i don t think so
I think instead that this famous extra lens on the pro version has been inserted to correct the strong distortion at the edges of the image that is encountered on the standard version.
below I insert a link (the only comparison I have found) where both models are compared. even the result of the mi note 10 standard is described as sharper!?
but it is difficult to evaluate because none of the photos in this video are enlarged enough to find out if it is true.
Maybe with a link of full res images....
https://youtu.be/ncnnFrdw50M
I'd be happy to know what you think, and if anyone here is an expert in these techniques (I'm sure that's the case) they can also provide some further explanation regarding this difference.
thank you all,
merry christmas and happy day
As i explained in other thread,
Lens element is used mostly for correction, whether its distortion or abberation, it can be color abberation, fringing, and elses,
Some people won't believe it though (i guess most of them were never used and know about how lens elements work and used in all those other lenses in other camera system, named it medium format, 35, dslr, mirorless, etc), and keep saying that it can bring more light. But again, how can you bring more light when you put an extra glass/plastic in front of your sensor, right ? ;b. The correct term is not "more light" but, "better light", since the lens element filter out/correct out flaw from the light. Example would be how "achromatic" or "apochromatic" lens used to minimise the color fringe effect (caused by lens dispersion) - read here if you want to read details : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration
Btw, the light is indeed determined by the lens apperture and the sensitivity of the sensor itself. But lenses also play parts in how they transmit the light to the sensor, the better the lens is, the better the light quality (notice i say quality, not simply quantity) is, which means, the better the data captured by the sensor. Better data normally would mean better image as well.
Being that case, more lens element not always translate to better image. Since its the quality of the lens, not amount that actually affecting the result most.
I have both and the difference is very little, only the pro manages better backlight and in dark areas a little more light
oooooh a competent person that provides reliable and scientific information. it is always a satisfaction to receive this type of feedback!
so how, using logic, I thought ... the improvement from 7p to 8p is not on the sharpness, contrast or brightness of the photo, but on the various chromatic imperfections that can be found in the saved shot.
moreover, things that can be easily corrected with lrm, i think.
thank you!
carlosml1 said:
I have both and the difference is very little, only the pro manages better backlight and in dark areas a little more light
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Thank you! Can you upload some samples of both devices please?
otonieru said:
As i explained in other thread,
Lens element is used mostly for correction, whether its distortion or abberation, it can be color abberation, fringing, and elses,
Some people won't believe it though (i guess most of them were never used and know about how lens elements work and used in all those other lenses in other camera system, named it medium format, 35, dslr, mirorless, etc), and keep saying that it can bring more light. But again, how can you bring more light when you put an extra glass/plastic in front of your sensor, right ? ;b. The correct term is not "more light" but, "better light", since the lens element filter out/correct out flaw from the light. Example would be how "achromatic" or "apochromatic" lens used to minimise the color fringe effect (caused by lens dispersion) - read here if you want to read details : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration
Btw, the light is indeed determined by the lens apperture and the sensitivity of the sensor itself. But lenses also play parts in how they transmit the light to the sensor, the better the lens is, the better the light quality (notice i say quality, not simply quantity) is, which means, the better the data captured by the sensor. Better data normally would mean better image as well.
Being that case, more lens element not always translate to better image. Since its the quality of the lens, not amount that actually affecting the result most.
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so do you think that the 8p pro version has more sharpness in the shots against the 7p version? I m quite thinking ti sell mine and buy the pro but i don t understand if the img quality in terms of sharpness exists.
left my note 10 right my note 10 pro
carlosml1 said:
left my note 10 right my note 10 pro
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very interesting, Thank you
The First thing i see Is a different White balance.
In terms of contrast and sharpness i see the same result, but near the external limits of the image, there s some distorsion and lack of sharpness on the mi note 10 standard. Pro has a Better result: look at the leaves at the left limite of the images! There s a difference.
instead in the rest of the image I see the exact same quality of detail, definition and sharpness.
Am i wrong?
mezza8512 said:
very interesting, Thank you
The First thing i see Is a different White balance.
In terms of contrast and sharpness i see the same result, but near the external limits of the image, there s some distorsion and lack of sharpness on the mi note 10 standard. Pro has a Better result: look at the leaves at the left limite of the images! There s a difference.
instead in the rest of the image I see the exact same quality of detail, definition and sharpness.
Am i wrong?
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Yes, it's true, I also see the note 10 pro better, today is a cloudy and foggy day here
carlosml1 said:
Yes, it's true, I also see the note 10 pro better, today is a cloudy and foggy day here
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sharpness at the center of the image Better on pro, or Is the same in the two versions?
carlosml1 said:
Yes, it's true, I also see the note 10 pro better, today is a cloudy and foggy day here
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please can you post a link with full res images of both devices in some conditions? Daylight, interior and low light of both devices ... Thank you
Ok now i have both versions and i can directly compare the difference.
first, I notice a larger area of focus, it seems that this additional lens gives a better direction to the light and to the ability to focus. this is also noticeable when taking a photo at night, in a street with public lighting, and the rings around the light are much more concentrated and less widespread than on the standard version.
there is also a better dynamic range, with more details in the dark areas, especially in the low light shots.
another interesting thing is the software, because it is not the same as the standard version. the differences are minimal, but I notice a different white balance, a higher jpg compression, greater contrast and oversharpening.
the images are less "soft" and more processed by the sw.
different speech in the photos of the interior and on the photos to people, where the pro version works better getting better details and faster and more precise focus.
ultimately, the differences are not in favor of one version rather than the other, but in a different way of interpreting the scene.
0.6 x, macro, 2 x, 5x are the same, while from 10x up there is a better detail because the interpolation of the main sensor intervenes, which thanks to better optics, guarantees better details.
verdict:
Is 8p better than 7p?
yes, but only if you want to take photos at "pedal to the metal" of the search for detail and the final result after post production.
but this is such a small difference that 99% of users will have no real benefits in this upgrade, unless they want more ram and more rom.
regards!
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but this is such a small difference that 99% of users will have no real benefits in this upgrade, unless they want more ram and more rom.
regards!
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Can you post the original file from both on pro mode (108mp and raw format enable) in the same condition? Maybe we can see more clearly when heavy editing their photos (raw file) in the lr ?
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Can you post the original file from both on pro mode (108mp and raw format enable) in the same condition? Maybe we can see more clearly when heavy editing their photos (raw file) in the lr ?
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Sorry my friend but i sold both mi note 10 long time ago
mezza8512 said:
I notice a different white balance, a higher jpg compression, greater contrast and oversharpening.
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Hi, sorry for bringing this so late, but I'm interesting in this phones. It's not clear to me which version above has higher JPEG compression? I assume it's the Mi Note 10 (not Pro)? It wouldn't make much sense the other way around. Also, which one has higher contrast and over-sharpening - Pro or non-Pro?
I know you probably don't remember it now, but it's worth a shot to ask.