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Since Honor 6 and 6 plus are running on Kirin 920, 925 which doesn't support Vulcan API, it seems that it can't be updated to Nougat.
Will Honor provide it by any alternate means, if any?
Got it from Wiki that Kirin 920 and 925 won't support Vulcan API. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan_(API)
most probably it wont get as the gpu fails to be compatible with vulkan
I don't think so
Personally,I think google must remove vulcan api as requirement for update.Its like:
''Your phone has the power to handle the next at least 3 android versions,but since your gpu doesnt support vulcan api,which practically has nothing to do with running the os,fock off.''
I also think that 2 versions forward update thing should be broken,I mean we have ultra fast device with 3gb ram,it just doesnt make sense to get stuck on marshmallow,when some phones which are much weaker than our will get nougat.I even got the phone in the end of july...
Meanwhile apple bricking iphone 5 with ios 10.
MaRtYy01 said:
Personally,I think google must remove vulcan api as requirement for update.Its like:
''Your phone has the power to handle the next at least 3 android versions,but since your gpu doesnt support vulcan api,which practically has nothing to do with running the os,fock off.''
I also think that 2 versions forward update thing should be broken,I mean we have ultra fast device with 3gb ram,it just doesnt make sense to get stuck on marshmallow,when some phones which are much weaker than our will get nougat.I even got the phone in the end of july...
Meanwhile apple bricking iphone 5 with ios 10.
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yeah, thats so sad.
mainly because of some stupid decison made by google
MaRtYy01 said:
Personally,I think google must remove vulcan api as requirement for update.Its like:
''Your phone has the power to handle the next at least 3 android versions,but since your gpu doesnt support vulcan api,which practically has nothing to do with running the os,fock off.''
I also think that 2 versions forward update thing should be broken,I mean we have ultra fast device with 3gb ram,it just doesnt make sense to get stuck on marshmallow,when some phones which are much weaker than our will get nougat.I even got the phone in the end of july...
Meanwhile apple bricking iphone 5 with ios 10.
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I agree with you, because of this many great smartphones (like GS5, 1+1 G3...etc) won't get official update
MaRtYy01 said:
Personally,I think google must remove vulcan api as requirement for update.Its like:
''Your phone has the power to handle the next at least 3 android versions,but since your gpu doesnt support vulcan api,which practically has nothing to do with running the os,fock off.''
I also think that 2 versions forward update thing should be broken,I mean we have ultra fast device with 3gb ram,it just doesnt make sense to get stuck on marshmallow,when some phones which are much weaker than our will get nougat.I even got the phone in the end of july...
Meanwhile apple bricking iphone 5 with ios 10.
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It can be optional but not compulsary.
In Honor series of smartphone this affects Honor 6, 6 plus and 7.
PalakMi said:
I agree with you, because of this many great smartphones (like GS5, 1+1 G3...etc) won't get official update
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Yes indeed.The 2014 generation flagships finished the progress that the 2013 ones started,what I mean is that they are still running on almost full speed as on their launch,older flagships(galaxy s3 is a perfect example) started to get pretty laggy at some point.If vulcan api is the thing that stopped the breaking of the 2 versions forward update scheme,I hope that at least the 2015 gen ones will do it when android 8 comes out.
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vsriram92 said:
It can be optional but not compulsary.
In Honor series of smartphone this affects Honor 6, 6 plus and 7.
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I hope at least honor 7 will get the update.Its just 1 year old and got just 1 major update,deserves nougat for sure.
MaRtYy01 said:
Yes indeed.The 2014 generation flagships finished the progress that the 2013 ones started,what I mean is that they are still running on almost full speed as on their launch,older flagships(galaxy s3 is a perfect example) started to get pretty laggy at some point.If vulcan api is the thing that stopped the breaking of the 2 versions forward update scheme,I hope that at least the 2015 gen ones will do it when android 8 comes out.
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most phones should get android 7 as their gpu's have vulkan support, bt its still upto eoms, weather to update or not, even vulkan api supported phones may still be betrayed
Google is the only one to blame here
venom007 said:
most phones should get android 7 as their gpus have vulkan support, bt its still upto eoms, weather to update or not, even vulkan api supported phones may still be betrayed
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We can't do anything for betrayal by OEM.. But in this case, OEM do think to provide updates. Due to google restriction, they were unable to.
vsriram92 said:
We can't do anything for betrayal by OEM.. But in this case, OEM do think to provide updates. Due to google restriction, they were unable to.
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They're helpless
PalakMi said:
They're helpless
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Only Google can reconsider its policies if people makes the Google to know that we are heavily dissatisfied on this.
vsriram92 said:
Only Google can reconsider its policies if people makes the Google to know that we are heavily dissatisfied on this.
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It's seems that google won't listen (trying to sell the pixel no matter what)
PalakMi said:
It's seems that google won't listen (trying to sell the pixel no matter what)
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Honor 7 , Honor 6, Honor 6 plus are affected in Honor line by this decision
vsriram92 said:
Honor 7 , Honor 6, Honor 6 plus are affected in Honor line by this decision
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Those are great phones, unfortunately they won't taste nougat
Cant huawei just release updated drivers and source so devs would be able to build 7.0 themselves?It seems more realistic than a whole new official update.
Sent from my H60-L04 using XDA Labs
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Cant huawei just release updated drivers and source so devs would be able to build 7.0 themselves?It seems more realistic than a whole new official update.
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As of now, Huawei has not released most of the sources. So I doubt that this will happen.
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Cant huawei just release updated drivers and source so devs would be able to build 7.0 themselves?It seems more realistic than a whole new official update.
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It didn't even release the basics to building custom ROMs. I doubt they'll do ot now
They already distributed source code some time ago. But no Vulkan support, no Nougat update.
Will there be any Android O custom rom for Nexus 5 because some people said that Android O might not support 32bit device. I actually consider to buy Nexus 5 since it cheaper than 5X. If Android O only support 64bit device I might get Nexus 5X.
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Will there be any Android O custom rom for Nexus 5 because some people said that Android O might not support 32bit device. I actually consider to buy Nexus 5 since it cheaper than 5X. If Android O only support 64bit device I might get Nexus 5X.
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The source code of android 0 is not released yet so we do not yet know if there will be rom custom android O
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Will there be any Android O custom rom for Nexus 5 because some people said that Android O might not support 32bit device. I actually consider to buy Nexus 5 since it cheaper than 5X. If Android O only support 64bit device I might get Nexus 5X.
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I think it's better to save some more and get the Nexus 5X because Nexus 5 it's starting to become a legacy device
Why do people always jump on these developer previews and request them being ported to other devices? We're currently at the very first dev preview, this is not even a beta, and just about nothing is finalized right now.
We're going to see whether the Nexus 5 could be supported by third-party-ROMs when the source code for O drops. Until then, there's not really a point discussing it.
If you're looking for a cheap phone, I would consider getting a newer budget phone, like the Moto G5 /G5 Plus, or one of those cheaper Sony ones. You'll get better battery life, a much better camera and maybe even Android N/O, depending on the OEMs' willingness to update. Or just go with one of the Android One devices, if they're available in your market.
Unless you already own one, I don't see any benefit in getting a four-year-old phone.
If Google is testing Android Or for nexus 6, on got its code might be available. CNA we use it to port it to nexus 5??
GopalKaul said:
If Google is testing Android Or for nexus 6, on got its code might be available. CNA we use it to port it to nexus 5??
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We cannot. The hardware specs are completely different.
GopalKaul said:
If Google is testing Android Or for nexus 6, on got its code might be available. CNA we use it to port it to nexus 5??
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If they would publish an official build for the n6 and with it sources, but since it is internal testing they most likely wont.
I've heard the update schedule for the Moto Z Play is promising Android O updates later down the line and the device has a 32-bit processor. Of course I believe that there's clever devs on here that could make something special happen
Nyoir said:
I've heard the update schedule for the Moto Z Play is promising Android O updates later down the line and the device has a 32-bit processor. Of course I believe that there's clever devs on here that could make something special happen
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The Snapdragon 625 is not a 64-bit CPU. The phone itself does run a 32-bit ROM, however.
Now can it be built?
So I’ve been out of the Android game for a while, but think I’m going to come back. I’ve been pretty happy with the Mac ecosystem for the past 3 or so years but lately ios11 seems to have borked my 6s+ as well as my wife’s 6s. That coupled with the plethora of seemingly good $250 range android phones available from GearBest, etc makes a strong case for making the switch back to android. But I have a few questions for you guys that are up to date in the android realm.
1 - any Chinese brands I should avoid due to poor build quality and being prone to failures?
2 - any Chinese brands that are known to be of a good quality build?
3 - best way to cope with the loss of iMessage? A lot of pictures and videos are exchanged between my wife and I of our child (soon to be children). I don’t want to exchange videos that looked to have been filmed on a kumquat.
3 - best way to send pics/vids to the iOS users in the family circle?
4 - I’m assuming people are still rooting and running custom roms......what are the popular, stable custom roms people are using? Cyanogen mod still a thing?
Thanks in advance for the help. I’ve recently sold my atv4, Mac mini and am currently attempting to sell my MacBook Air. Have already purchased a google home mini to test out and looking at the chrome books now. If I make the switch I plan on embracing google’s ecosystem.
No one can offer any guidance?
1- the cloned devices and try to avoid buying mtk based devices
2. Huawei and Xiomei ( well know for their good phone and cheap prices )
3. Google photos where you can sync photos over gmail ( from iphone to android and vice versa)
Or by using Send anywhere app :
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/send-anywhere-file-transfer/id596642855?mt=8
also there is a copy on playstore:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.estmob.android.sendanywhere
4.There is LineageOS now (CM dead now but LOS is the CM in a new name and a new uniform)
AOSPA Android Paranoid
and more like the Resurrection remix etc
Thanks for the reply. Ive kind of narrowed in on the ZTE axon 7, the Lenovo zuk z2 or the xiaomi mi a1. The first two have a snapdragon 820 and the ZTE seems to be the most feature packed of the bunch. Any issues with ZTE in general? I’m fixing to see what custom rims are available for the zuk and ZTE. I prefer a pretty barebones, vanilla android rom.
Just wondering if anybody has noticed a significant performance drop on the A32 after the 12 update? This phone was never a speedster, but now I am noticing significant latency waiting for the keyboard to come up, background apps re-loading more when I bring them to foreground, etc. I am using Nova Launcher, wondering if that has something to do with it..
Nova doesn't help. Factory reset and reload may help. From everything I'm reading 12 is no gem.
Google is getting crushed under their self imposed new OS release every year policy. They should name Android 13 "Veal"
@blackhawk - thanks for the reply! I disabled Nova and am using One UI (yuck) and things are better but not great. I'm sure things run better on a $1k flagship than my $0 A32. Still, interesting to see how much difference an OS release can make. Have a great weekend!
Lucky you guys have Android 12, I'm still stuck on A11 with Cricket Wireless (AIO).
Try getting F-Droid and look for an app called SuperFreezZ, kind of works like the app Greenify but I like this better for non-rooted phones. (Put apps to sleep).
SuperFreezZ App stopper | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
Entirely freeze all background activities of apps.
f-droid.org
I also used Shizuku ADB Rootless interface to debloat system apps, but be careful on which ones you debloat. Look up a thread in that before doing so.
Shizuku
Let your app use system APIs directly
shizuku.rikka.app
I managed to debloat a bunch of junk from Samsung and cricket stuff that's always running in the background and yet the system still uses 1.3GB RAM .
Hopefully this helps with the lag/ram usage on A12.
jasont69 said:
@blackhawk - thanks for the reply! I disabled Nova and am using One UI (yuck) and things are better but not great. I'm sure things run better on a $1k flagship than my $0 A32. Still, interesting to see how much difference an OS release can make. Have a great weekend!
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You could consider rolling it back to 11, many have on many Samsung models because of 12 puking on them. You take a performance hit with scoped storage, no way around that on both 11 and 12. Nova may not be fully updated for 12.
Some are satisfied... WYSIWYG!
I run two stock N10+'s, one on Pie, the other on Q. Neither will likely ever be updated... that's what I think of 11 and especially 12. I never update a OS that is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. A lot to lose and little to gain. Security simply isn't an issue, but updates are!
That said a new load needs to be optimized to run well. Turn off global power management and deal with power hogs on a case by case basis.
One UI is sweet if you use all the stock customization available. What's not to like?
jasont69 said:
Just wondering if anybody has noticed a significant performance drop on the A32 after the 12 update?
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I haven't noticed any performance drop between Android 11 and Android 12, but I had a bad experience (explained here) updating my T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy A32 5G from Android 11 to 12 (on both OneUI and Nova so it wasn't due to the app launcher).
Warning: Google screwed up on upgrading Android 11 to Android 12 on my Samsung Galaxy A32-5G
I updated to Android 12 yesterday and the performance is relatively the same, which I didn't expect. There was only some lag when the first booted after updating Android but a reboot fixed that.
Generally, my experience with Android 12 has been positive. One thing that I didn't like was that Samsung's Material U implemention isn't that good. The colors that it picked were darker than I wanted and not pastel like I had expected
I finally got A12 update for my A32 on Cricket Wireless, so far I do not see any performance bump, pretty much the same stuff besides customizing the slide down menu colors and some minor camera update .... Really wish I could get GCam installed for this device but it's impossible to root this phone now
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I haven't noticed any performance drop between Android 11 and Android 12, but I had a bad experience (explained here) updating my T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy A32 5G from Android 11 to 12 (on both OneUI and Nova so it wasn't due to the app launcher).
Warning: Google screwed up on upgrading Android 11 to Android 12 on my Samsung Galaxy A32-5G
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Why would you have all that **** at once on your phone?
TimmyP said:
Why would you have all that **** at once on your phone?
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I install a new app on average once or twice a day because I enjoy testing them out.
Pretty much, I know the best app out there for any particular task that I've done as a result.
And none of my apps are Google based or have ads if I can help it, and certainly I pay for none since I find the best free apps out there, usually FOSS.
Just ask if you need to find the best app for any task but bear in mind I can't root my Samsung A32-5G due to the bootloader version so they're all non-root apps - and every single one is free - and only one or two have ads - but still they're all best that exist for the tasks I've done.
How old is your oldest smartphone that is still working and usable for doing daily tasks?
I have a LeEco Le2 phone purchased in 2016. So it is almost 7 years old now. I had an iPhone 7 Plus too since 2016 that I recently traded for another phone.
The battery is weak, but can give a couple of hours SOT with normal use. It does tend to heat up though if used continuously for long periods.
I have a couple of other smartphones too from 2015, but they are pretty much unusable, even though they power on and can do some basic tasks. Such phones are not counted here.
NOKIA 6085 - 2005
NOKIA 1680 - 2008
NOKIA 1661 - 2009 <-- Brand New in Box
HTC One V - 2012
ZTE Grand X - 2015
UMIDIGI A3 Pro - 2018
UMIDIGI A5 Pro - 2019
Samsung ruggedized fliptop
S4+, both still boot but no 3G
My favorite old phones still very much in use are the N975U and N975U1. Pie remains my favorite OS, Q is ok.
EdT586 said:
NOKIA 6085 - 2005
NOKIA 1680 - 2008
NOKIA 1661 - 2009 <-- Brand New in Box
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I have edited the OP to include only smartphones. I thought that was obvious. So these phones don't count.
EdT586 said:
HTC One V - 2012
ZTE Grand X - 2015
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Are these phones in a position to be used as a daily driver? Or are they just like someone on oxygen support?
Nexus 4 (occam)
Nexus 5 (hammerhead)
Not sure how usable they are as a daily driver.
I use them for testing mods, magisk and gapps.
Cheers.
PS.
A couple of years ago, I even made a port of Repit for Nexus 4.
I needed a larger system partition.
- I think it was for a current LineageOS port at that time.
ipdev99/REPIT - [Github] - commit.
TheMystic said:
I have edited the OP to include only smartphones. I thought that was obvious. So these phones don't count.
Are these phones in a position to be used as a daily driver? Or are they just like someone on oxygen support?
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They still work perfectly, but are retired with newer phones.