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Will there be any AOPS ROMs for this device?

Of all the released devices so far this year/end of last year, the Mate 8 is the only one that I might consider buy even tho the price is a bit too high for the performance (no 4k recording, only 1080p display and Kirin...).
The only thing holding me back is the lack of AOSP ROMs. Do you guys think there will be any ROMs close to vanilla or should I just wait for a better phone to be released?

display is one of THE best IPS displays around, u wont even notice that its 1080p. i know i dont
kirin 950 is on par with sd820 and exynos 8890, so...what about the performance? only area where its slower is graphics, thats it. cpu, ram, especially UI is on par if not better. lots of reports from users stating that mate 8 provides the smoothest day to day experience
also, what exactly do u hope to gain through an aosp rom? visually, u can change the stock roms to look like aosp, no problem. function range is also quite vast already at stock.
in the end, it always depends on whats really important to you:
mate 8 pros: brilliant display, super smooth UI, great sound, huge display size, looooong battery life
mate 8 cons: camera (according to other users, but i havent noticed anything bad), gpu performance (in benchmarks, still plays actual games smoothly)
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jbmc83 said:
display is one of THE best IPS displays around, u wont even notice that its 1080p. i know i dont
kirin 950 is on par with sd820 and exynos 8890, so...what about the performance? only area where its slower is graphics, thats it. cpu, ram, especially UI is on par if not better. lots of reports from users stating that mate 8 provides the smoothest day to day experience
also, what exactly do u hope to gain through an aosp rom? visually, u can change the stock roms to look like aosp, no problem. function range is also quite vast already at stock.
in the end, it always depends on whats really important to you:
mate 8 pros: brilliant display, super smooth UI, great sound, huge display size, looooong battery life
mate 8 cons: camera (according to other users, but i havent noticed anything bad), gpu performance (in benchmarks, still plays actual games smoothly)
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If you are playing around with VR, then 1008p is not the best resolution, rockording in 1080p is not as good as recording in 4k when you play around with motion tracking..
I don't care about the performance, the Kirin don't seems to be as developer friendly as SoCs from Qualcomm.
I like stock sense it's not bloated... and I like to have my devices for as long as possible and I don't think Huawei will keep updating the Mate 8 so long, that's a big reason I wan't AOSP ROMs early so it seems like the device have a bigger chance to be updated to the newest version of Android in a couple of years from now.

Lirkaren said:
If you are playing around with VR, then 1008p is not the best resolution, rockording in 1080p is not as good as recording in 4k when you play around with motion tracking..
I don't care about the performance, the Kirin don't seems to be as developer friendly as SoCs from Qualcomm.
I like stock sense it's not bloated... and I like to have my devices for as long as possible and I don't think Huawei will keep updating the Mate 8 so long, that's a big reason I wan't AOSP ROMs early so it seems like the device have a bigger chance to be updated to the newest version of Android in a couple of years from now.
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Simple: this device is not for you.
Problem solved :good:

Pfeffernuss said:
Simple: this device is not for you.
Problem solved :good:
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Not too be rude or anything but did you give your awnser based on that this device probably won't get an AOSP ROM or did you not read my first post where I said that I can overlook tha 1080p screen and lack of 4k recording?

Lirkaren said:
Not too be rude or anything but did you give your awnser based on that this device probably won't get an AOSP ROM or did you not read my first post where I said that I can overlook tha 1080p screen and lack of 4k recording?
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Simply look at the state of AOSP roms in the Mate 7 threads and there's your answer

should i buy Mi4C

Hi everyone
I wanna buy a new phone and the specs of Mi4c have catch me compared to it's price, but then there is many review that says it have a heating issue, so now i just wanna ask you as owners of this phone, do you advise me to buy it or to look for another model, i should mention that im not a gamer just from time to time on simple games, i use most this phone for social medias and video calls at skype.
thank you in advance for any help

I did take the plunge and so far i love it My findings:
Beware that mi4c is China only phone originally so don't expect Global MIUI ROM officially. you can try MIUI eu ROM or sMIUI as alternative but in general this phone will stuck with Android 5.1.1 officially, only the MIUI version is upped. the base OS is still the same Lollipop. the best way to enjoy Nougat is with CM but its Marshmallow CM experience is pretty much stable all around at this time of development.
No overheating so far, but then again i flashed into CM from the start so no MIUI for me.
The Rectangular design is Sony like so i love it (subjective ofc)
Great camera and screen quality.
Battery life is on par with any 3000mah flagship so no worries. (but then again i'm using CM here)
BUT..
If you value super battery life, but not great but above average camera and screen, you can grab the Redmi Note 3 (Snapdragon version) with roughly the same price. Plus the Global ROM availabilty is guaranteed for Xiaomi RN3. I personally take mi4c just because i like the design language plus the camera quality proven by GSMArena and others. So there you have it.

The fact it overheats compared to other phones is true, but only partly. Yes, it overheats, but it only does so on miui. I find, using any other custom rom based on aosp or cm, that the issue is completely gone. And when I overheats it really isn't that much of an issue in my experience.
If you ask me, you can't find a better 5"-5.2" phone under 200. If you value community support too it's basically an obligated choice as well.

The overheating isn´t gone with another Rom.
I tried every Rom and still have this problems (not as much as with miui, but still overheating), but with other Roms you could manage the throttling better. So you don´t have lags and freezes while gaming what is important, but for me it heats on 50-65+ on every Rom while play 3d games and rare throttling.
The problem is the 808 - 810 series. Every phone with this cpus overheats.

There is no overheating if you put the GPU and the BIG cores in powersave. You should get like 4-5 hours screen-on time and no performace issues. Also the battery should last 48h with normal use.

What you mean with "put the GPU and the BIG cores in powersave" ?
At least you have a 30k antutu device and i don´t believe that you can play 3d games well like that. Thats for sure not what the OP want.
I won´t say that the Mi4c is a bad device, price / performance is pretty good, but its not right there aren´t overheating problems. Everyone should now about that issue before he buy it and if i know before that i can just use 60-70 % of the performance i would looking for another device maybe (i tought there is more space above the 68k written in the test results like in every phone with another rom ...).
The best result i get was with RR 5.7.1 constant 55k antutu (heating about ~55°c). With some roms my phone throttle down to 30-40k and i had enormly problems to play NFS, fps 15 after 2-3 mins. With efficient mode i stuck at 45k or less.
For sure not every phone is same, what mean if you are lucky you couldn´t have overheating problems.

Danny94 said:
What you mean with "put the GPU and the BIG cores in powersave" ?
At least you have a 30k antutu device and i don´t believe that you can play 3d games well like that. Thats for sure not what the OP want.
I won´t say that the Mi4c is a bad device, price / performance is pretty good, but its not right there aren´t overheating problems. Everyone should now about that issue before he buy it and if i know before that i can just use 60-70 % of the performance i would looking for another device maybe (i tought there is more space above the 68k written in the test results like in every phone with another rom ...).
The best result i get was with RR 5.7.1 constant 55k antutu (heating about ~55°c). With some roms my phone throttle down to 30-40k and i had enormly problems to play NFS, fps 15 after 2-3 mins. With efficient mode i stuck at 45k or less.
For sure not every phone is same, what mean if you are lucky you couldn´t have overheating problems.
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thank you for your answer but i just wanna know if it heat on normal usage, like social media, taking photos and skype video calls, cause the main reason i wanna buy this phone is the screen and the camera, i casualy play games and when i do, it just simple games like domino or guessing games.

Well, in your case no. You won´t have overheating problems just for social media etc. and very simple games.
But could be that you find a new game/app wich need performance then you could have. Future ! ;D.
BTW Vector 2 looks like a simple game, Pokemon Go looks like a simple game, a map with some stops but you would have overheating probs (resp. - i have - ~55°c). Just saying ;D.

Danny94 said:
Well, in your case no. You won´t have overheating problems just for social media etc. and very simple games.
But could be that you find a new game/app wich need performance then you could have. Future ! ;D.
BTW Vector 2 looks like a simple game, Pokemon Go looks like a simple game, a map with some stops but you would have overheating probs (resp. - i have - ~55°c). Just saying ;D.
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thank you again, i will go for it, i was hesitating between this phone and redmi 3s

The main reason you shouldn't buy a redmi 3s is the well known bug that keeps the phone stuck on 2G in some occasions (you can read more on miui.com or here in xda).
@Danny94, that 55k antutu sounds low. And so does that cpu temperature you were talking about. I wouldn't rule out the possibility it's a defective unit, frankly. With all the roms I've used I've never gotten less than 65k and 72k with my current daily driver - TS CM13.

Danny94 said:
What you mean with "put the GPU and the BIG cores in powersave" ?
At least you have a 30k antutu device and i don´t believe that you can play 3d games well like that. Thats for sure not what the OP want.
I won´t say that the Mi4c is a bad device, price / performance is pretty good, but its not right there aren´t overheating problems. Everyone should now about that issue before he buy it and if i know before that i can just use 60-70 % of the performance i would looking for another device maybe (i tought there is more space above the 68k written in the test results like in every phone with another rom ...).
The best result i get was with RR 5.7.1 constant 55k antutu (heating about ~55°c). With some roms my phone throttle down to 30-40k and i had enormly problems to play NFS, fps 15 after 2-3 mins. With efficient mode i stuck at 45k or less.
For sure not every phone is same, what mean if you are lucky you couldn´t have overheating problems.
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I had Z5 Premium before mi4c (don't ask why the downgrade) and it does overheat, causing a game like Horizon Chase to stutter after a while. None that i found with mi4c. so even if this phone CPU overheats in games, the impact isn't as pronounced compared to 810 powered phone. Yeah gaming is quite major part in smartphone but it's taken as an in-between activity so in pretty much all other activities, even 810 is still very good as i have used in Z5P and no complain generally.
Matt17BR said:
The main reason you shouldn't buy a redmi 3s is the well known bug that keeps the phone stuck on 2G in some occasions (you can read more on miui.com or here in xda).
@Danny94, that 55k antutu sounds low. And so does that cpu temperature you were talking about. I wouldn't rule out the possibility it's a defective unit, frankly. With all the roms I've used I've never gotten less than 65k and 72k with my current daily driver - TS CM13.
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last time i test i get around 69k, so pretty good actually.

adrinho987 said:
Hi everyone
I wanna buy a new phone and the specs of Mi4c have catch me compared to it's price, but then there is many review that says it have a heating issue, so now i just wanna ask you as owners of this phone, do you advise me to buy it or to look for another model, i should mention that im not a gamer just from time to time on simple games, i use most this phone for social medias and video calls at skype.
thank you in advance for any help
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You should look at Zuk Z2 (not pro) much better than mi4c

Guys i believe you to reach 69k ... on Antutu, but thats not a true value... I reach 69 k too on first time, you should try to test 5 times or more behind each other until your value doesn´t drop anymore. That was for me 55k on RR 5.7.1, with the most other Roms i was on 35k after 3-5 test.
The first test doesn´t have any sense on this cpu, because of the overheating -> throttle. Or does you play a game for only 3 minutes too ?
Yeah the Zuk Z2 looks great. I like 5" smartphones and at the moment the Zuk Z2 is the best in my opinion, the Rom should be bad, but there are for sure custom roms.

ermacwins said:
You should look at Zuk Z2 (not pro) much better than mi4c
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thank you but zuk z2 is around 210$ while mi4c will cost me only 120$

I would go for Mi4S, it worth the upgrade IMO...

As i know the Mi4c has the same hardware like the Mi4s, just small things like fingerprint sensor, sd -slot, little bit more battery, but costs a lot more.

It really depends on the relative price of Mi 4c compared to other devices.
The only thing that makes Mi 4c stand out is its camera quality. It takes amazing photos (though the focus speed is average) and high quality 4k videos (though the lack of stabilization means you need very steady hands).
Performance of Mi 4c is good but it heats too much. Stand-by power consumption is too high (even when compared with nearly identical phones like Mi 4s).
I'm not sure what prices you can get, but in China you can get Mi 5 (3GB RAM, 32GB Storage) for USD250 through the official Mi shop. The Red Mi Note 3 and Note 4 offer metal body, fingerprint sensor, larger battery and similar performance. You can think about them as well. Note that the Red Mi series have noticeably worse camera than Mi 4c.

adrinho987 said:
thank you but zuk z2 is around 210$ while mi4c will cost me only 120$
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$120 for 16gb/2gb model?

ermacwins said:
$120 for 16gb/2gb model?
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yeah at aliexpress; actually you can even get it at 109 usd if you are in a country that all sellers in aliexpress ship to

I would try to get at least the 32gb/3gb model

Would you recommend this phone ?

Hy,i want to buy a new smartphone and i want some details about this one from someone who use it.Performance,battery,camera etc. Other sugestions too please. Max 450 euro. Thanks!

I will only list cons.
-Lack of 4k recording. Not a big deal for me
-Gpu is not good enough for upcoming graphic intensive games.Though, almost all games right now run max [email protected] just fine.
-By default, the screen calibration is very poor, too cold.
-Lack of custom roms. This is pretty subjective and may improve in a few months.
Pros? Any other than I listed above.
Fastest android phone when it comes to launching app speed.
Beatiful camera with nice features
Good battery life
And so on..
Recommended? Yes! This device is almost perfect.

XenithV said:
I will only list cons.
-Lack of 4k recording. Not a big deal for me
-Gpu is not good enough for upcoming graphic intensive games.Though, almost all games right now run max [email protected] just fine.
-By default, the screen calibration is very poor, too cold.
-Lack of custom roms. This is pretty subjective and may improve in a few months.
Pros? Any other than I listed above.
Fastest android phone when it comes to launching app speed.
Beatiful camera with nice features
Good battery life
And so on..
Recommended? Yes! This device is almost perfect.
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Thanks for reply,i dont care about 4k recording but i care about gpu...for now i still think that OnePlus 3t is best choice...

Gpu? Then get the oneplus 3/3t.
The cons I list is pretty much pros for oneplus 3/3t.

The GPU is the main drawback for me, but it hasn't been an issue really so far. The frame rate in Dragon Quest 8 isn't great. But I mostly play CPU heavy games (emulators) so it hasn't come up really.

I agree, GPU has never proven to be an issue for me either. I don't play too many games though.
Love this phone really, battery life, stability, design are all perfect.
I don't even mind EMUI that much

excellent device with awesome design,good specs and a descent camera

I would recommend it if you are not interested in rooting it and can live with the EMUI user interface that is very different from the stock Android user interface (I like it though). The Honor 8 has nice, powerfull hardware and a good design for a very reasonable price.
If, however, you intend to unlock/root your device, then I can not recommend it because it does not allow you to change the encryption password of the internal data partition. You will be stuck with a data partition readable to everyone who can get physical access to your device.

I sold my Oneplus 3, then bought the Honor 8. It was a very bad decision. I really miss the freedom, the OIS, the amoled screen, the really fast fingerprint sensor, etc.. IMO, I don't recommend the Honor 8, it has a terrible video quality, pretty bad GPU, the glass get scratched REALLY easily, especially the back. You should get the Oneplus 3t.

No Custom Rom, because Huawei/Honor. Enough said.

551790 said:
No Custom Rom, because Huawei/Honor. Enough said.
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Unofficial CM13.1 beta is already available; I'm sure more will come.
The con, for me, is the weak glass backing. Scratches easily, likely shatters easily.

551790 said:
No Custom Rom, because Huawei/Honor. Enough said.
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dont worry bro, unofficial cm13 has aldredy been released

no its sucks lol

General Do not buy this phone

Do not buy black shark phones, reasons are:
- will never be officially unlocked
- You will never receive appropriate support from blackshark/xiaomi
- Impossible to find stock rom from oem (and it will always be unavailable)
- No system updates if you updated to beta/modified your system/black shark is lazy and ****'s on the customer
- Support is 1 bot called "Jason" which will just give you the same answers over and over (useless).
- no support from xiaomi (although its a xiaomi brand and they made promises... all lies! As we know it from Xiaomi though...)
- Blackshark always has full access to all your data (maybe those illegal activities are the reason for no source code...)
- Too expensive for above reasons/bad quality housing
Seriously, go for a Oneplus which are about the same price and better in every point (leading in open sourcing their things!)
Its best to stray away from Xiaomi aswell...

True, but with the long heatpipe inside, the super quick charge and for now pretty much the highest benchmark scores of all Android phones ever existed, its quite impressive on the hardware side.
But I agree, the bloatware, spyware and whatnot, plus messy Google Play support is a major concern.

buy global version

Pummelchen2021 said:
True, but with the long heatpipe inside, the super quick charge and for now pretty much the highest benchmark scores of all Android phones ever existed, its quite impressive on the hardware side.
But I agree, the bloatware, spyware and whatnot, plus messy Google Play support is a major concern.
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well which 888 phone does not have a thick heatpipe inside? high average score (by far not the highest)- users with 888 phones and open source can install a custom kernel with high termal limits (like bs4) and oc to get way higher benchmark scores and actual improved gaming performance (thanks to newer drivers, kernel and community optimizations). not to speak of the way lighter custom os compared to miui based.

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well which 888 phone does not have a thick heatpipe inside?
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No gaming phone has a good development scene. Neither Asus ROG, Nubia Redmagic nor Lenovo Legion. So obviously, I would not expect anything great from BS 4.
At least I hope that at some point bootloader could be unlocked, and I could root it. This is all I will ask. Anyway I have to say that JoyUI is great for gaming. A full-featured experience that will enhance something that any other custom ROM will ever do with custom software.
I can't agree with this post. After researching MANY phones I've got to the conclusion that BS4 is outstanding for what it was designed for (gaming).
If you want to play Candy Crush, probably POCO X3 PRO is a better option. But if you want to go with Free Fire, PUBG Mobile or even Wild Rift or Arena of Valor, this phone is exquisite.
PS: OnePlus is a rip off. After OP 3 they become absurdly expensive, and now they are launching ****ty budget alternatives like One Plus Nord that are completely subpar to the flagship killers. If you want a GREAT phone as a daily driver for work, I would go hands down, for POCO F3 no discussion. But for gaming POCO F3 is also subpar. Gaming phones like BS4 are here for something relevant. I support them and is great that finally pro players are going away from long years of iPhone dominance thanks to this innovation.
PS2: I'm currently using for my daily driver a 3-year old Poco F1 with PE11+ which is great from a privacy concern. Snapdragon 835 is more than sufficient for the classic apps. I'm not going to mine bitcoins with my phone or do an art gallery with my Poco F1 photos. I will not install a big deal in my BS 4 either, so not much data is going to be extracted from me apart from my gaming sessions, which are delighting on my brand new BS4

MiSSigNNo said:
no gaming phone has a good development scene. Neither Asus ROG, Nubia Redmagic nor Lenovo Legion. So obviously, I would not expect anything great from BS 4.
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but at least asus gives the kernel source (idk about the others) making a development scene possible. just wait some years.
MiSSigNNo said:
At least I hope that at some point bootloader could be unlocked, and I could root it. This is all I will ask. Anyway I have to say that JoyUI is great for gaming. A full-featured experience that will enhance something that any other custom ROM will ever do with custom software.
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i dont see any benefits in joyui, you can have every option - just lighter, with less impact on performance and battery life - on a custom os
MiSSigNNo said:
if you want to play Candy Crush, probably POCO X3 PRO is a better option. But if you want to go with Free Fire, PUBG Mobile or even Wild Rift or Arena of Valor, this phone is exquisite.
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the benefits in any of those games when comparing bs3 vs op nord n10 (in hand )are minimal for me. maybe n10 cant keep up to the 90 fps everywhere but i can play longer and the ips screen seems sharper and with less/no ghosting. If you play emulators (wii onwards) its a completely different story though.
MiSSigNNo said:
PS: OnePlus is a rip off. After OP 3 they become absurdly expensive, and now they are launching ****ty budget alternatives like One Plus Nord that are completely subpar to the flagship killers. If you want a GREAT phone as a daily driver for work, I would go hands down, for POCO F3 no discussion. But for gaming POCO F3 is also subpar. Gaming phones like BS4 are here for something relevant. I support them and is great that finally pro players are going away from long years of iPhone dominance thanks to this innovation.
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still same price range for same soc as bs but with propper support and open source.
well, if you dont want to fiddle with your mobile in any way and have privacy concerns / want an UI even a toddler could handle, go for iphone.
MiSSigNNo said:
PS2: I'm currently using for my daily driver a 3-year old Poco F1 with PE11+ which is great from a privacy concern. Snapdragon 835 is more than sufficient for the classic apps. I'm not going to mine bitcoins with my phone or do an art gallery with my Poco F1 photos. I will not install a big deal in my BS 4 either, so not much data is going to be extracted from me apart from my gaming sessions, which are delighting on my brand new BS4
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if you want privacy go for an android phone with open source kernel and an ungoogled custom rom (with open source replacements if needed). if you use gapps you are better off with an iphone . op nord n10 is pretty decent (even for light gaming)

Dude you cannot compare OP Nord 10 with Black Shark 4 that is almost blasphemy.

MiSSigNNo said:
Dude you cannot compare OP Nord 10 with Black Shark 4 that is almost blasphemy.
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well, both phone both android both 5g both aux port android phones got way too powetful for the games we have on android lately... but back to topic: i think if someone looks on xda to check out a new phone, he wants to be able to at least unlock the bl and root it. Most people probably also want to be able to update theyr phones with the newest security patches/android from google in some years when the phone is eol. If you want any of this, do not buy this phone. go for a cheaper one with 888 AND open source (i made the mistake and bought a bs3, dont make the same mistake).
if you will buy a new 700 bucks phone within 2 years anyways - ok, then this phone might be sth for you (you should receive software updates for 2 years). you would however, probably not look on xda, a platform for users who want to get the most out of theyr phones by adjusting the software which is open source, thanks to google.

Well, as I said, for that, I have POCO F1.
It's true that Black Shark devices have not revealed the kernel and firmware so far. But I have to say that no ROM has been released so far for any gaming phone, that support the triggers.
Something interesting abotu custom roms:
I have a Oneplus 2. Always updated to the latest LineageOS. Recently I had a technical project for a guy that needed to install some security cams using phones and I wanted to use my OP2 for testing with Lineage 17.1 (at that point). My surprise: OS kept freezing the cam every couple of minutes. Tested other alternative ROMS and same happed, so I decided to go back to the latest OxygenOS released ages ago: It worked flawlessly.
Same happened with my oldie Galaxy Nexus. Only going back to 4.4 made it stable enough to be used as a -somewhat- daily driver.
So far I'm super happy with POCO F1 custom ROMS, and I'm currently using Pixel Experience, but there are very few phones in the market that will keep it up for long enough. After a couple of years, how is currently designed the market, you are completely forced to renew for most phones in no more than 4 years, and for some exceptional phones like POCO F1 will be a little bit longer.
But as I said, if you take seriously gaming, no OP has specs like BS4. 144Hz screen and a 400Hz+ sampling rate. Killer phone.
PS: I've paid $400 for my BS4, 2-day delivery from Amazon. The cheapest ROG5 was $500 and 2 weeks minimum delivery from China. I would be more worried of the phone breaking and losing warranty, than not having infinite updates.
About your complaint in XDA, it's true. But this is why this phone doesn't have currently a specific Custom ROM subsection like other phones. Just a generic discussion forum for all related topics, like unlocking bootloader, so I could install Magisk.

MiSSigNNo said:
Well, as I said, for that, I have POCO F1.
It's true that Black Shark devices have not revealed the kernel and firmware so far. But I have to say that no ROM has been released so far for any gaming phone, that support the triggers.
Something interesting abotu custom roms:
I have a Oneplus 2. Always updated to the latest LineageOS. Recently I had a technical project for a guy that needed to install some security cams using phones and I wanted to use my OP2 for testing with Lineage 17.1 (at that point). My surprise: OS kept freezing the cam every couple of minutes. Tested other alternative ROMS and same happed, so I decided to go back to the latest OxygenOS released ages ago: It worked flawlessly.
Same happened with my oldie Galaxy Nexus. Only going back to 4.4 made it stable enough to be used as a -somewhat- daily driver.
So far I'm super happy with POCO F1 custom ROMS, and I'm currently using Pixel Experience, but there are very few phones in the market that will keep it up for long enough. After a couple of years, how is currently designed the market, you are completely forced to renew for most phones in no more than 4 years, and for some exceptional phones like POCO F1 will be a little bit longer.
But as I said, if you take seriously gaming, no OP has specs like BS4. 144Hz screen and a 400Hz+ sampling rate. Killer phone.
PS: I've paid $400 for my BS4, 2-day delivery from Amazon. The cheapest ROG5 was $500 and 2 weeks minimum delivery from China. I would be more worried of the phone breaking and losing warranty, than not having infinite updates.
About your complaint in XDA, it's true. But this is why this phone doesn't have currently a specific Custom ROM subsection like other phones. Just a generic discussion forum for all related topics, like unlocking bootloader, so I could install Magisk.
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poco with pe (which includes gapps)--> nothing about privacy here xD
well, op releases the aosp (without oxygenos additions tho) source code. as far as i know only google and oneplus do this.
android is open source, we dont need stock rom source. we need kernel source (google what the linux kernel is, you will understand why...) so the community can fix what the oem does not/ can't / we can build custom roms based on the open android code.
i also used an oneplus2 (los/cm13 with recent patches) until last fall. if the screen didn't cut my fingers bcs it totally broke, i would still use it (batterylife with the right adjustments was insane). all my more recent xiaomi phones (mi a2 lite, redmi note 5 ai, mi 4c) died long time ago. did you debug it over adb? like that you can know what exactly the problem is, fix it in source and use the fixed version (or go to a custom rom with same android version as last official one, porting to more recent android without recent vendor blobs can cause many problems)
No, you can use a phone for 10+ years with the newest features EASY if you have kernel source. OFC oem's dont want this xD but the phones are not really increasing a lot lately (especially regarding cpu's) the storage and gpu gets better (adreno 650 was a milestone) but thats it (from the performance sight). you are only forced to change if the oem is a piece of garbage, violating the law and not releasing the kernel source. Blackshark is such a company, stop supporting them please.
If you take gaming seriously, you would see that more than 120hz refresh rate are useless (which games even support it?) and a 835 phone can still play ANYTHING on highest settings on 120hz and 1080p. 4k would be different. also a serious gamer (who knows that optimized software is WAY more important than a little bit increased hardware) would care about software updates/improved android kernel and the most important thing (how to get more power from your phone?) overclocking/changing thermal limits. optimize a 865 op phone and compare (gaming, not synthetic benchmarks) it to bs4, bs4 will be on par against sth that is not even a gaming phone and has an older soc. Ofc if you COULD do this on bs4, it would go like a rocket (only recognizeable in heavy emulation/benchmarks tho).
well, if there are any problems with the ROG5, just send it to asus, they will fix it if it's within the warranty (and asus is big, you can trust that). Trying to claim warranty at black shark will probably end in jason telling you that all is good and as soon as you sent the phone back he wont reply anymore xD.
the custom subsection is not there bcs
a) xda needs time to build it (no new phone has subsections...)
b) no kernel source--> no custom development.
Seriously, if you need "the best" phone as a statussymbol, go for an iphone. if you want cheap gaming on top notch, go for a soc with a good gpu (waiting for nvidia socs to appear in smartphones again) of the last 3 years and open kernel source. every android game will run with top performance.
For mining bitcoins/emulating 3ds/switch/ps3 the performance per current of the bs4 seems pretty nice. but then again, the kernel source...
really sad to put so much into a phone but leaving the user unable to fully use it.
and yeah, as soon as you root the phone, you can probably smoke the official updates from blackshark...

wertus33333 said:
poco with pe (which includes gapps)--> nothing about privacy here xD
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I was thinking about privacy against chinese apps, not about general privacy snowden level sorry
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Seriously, if you need "the best" phone as a statussymbol, go for an iphone. if you want cheap gaming on top notch, go for a soc with a good gpu (waiting for nvidia socs to appear in smartphones again) of the last 3 years and open kernel source. every android game will run with top performance.
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In the eSports competition iPhones are part of the past. Now with the current gaming hardware, everyone has either a ROG, Legion, Redmagic or Black Shark. This is a common standard. iPhones are now for the noobs.
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which games even support it?
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Here are all the games that support the ASUS ROG Phone 3's high refresh rate display
Here's a comprehensive list of all the games that support the 144Hz high refresh rate AMOLED display on the new ASUS ROG Phone 3. Check it out!
www.xda-developers.com
But it's true that top games are being too conservative on implementing the 144 FPS function. In fact I feel they are doing some partnerships to ship it to a bunch of phones that partner with them exclusively. For example in Wild Rift Black Shark 2 supports 120 FPS but the 3 and the 4th doesn't which is kind of funny.
This mobile gaming world is slightly corrupted yet. Hope it evolves in the next couple of months.
Still BS4 is top-notch. I'm completely amazed except for obviously the development part, which I agree with you mostly but not enough to shut my chosen option down. I have had both POCO F3 and X3 PRO in my hands and still I feel that BS 4 is light years away exclusively for gaming. I feel I can win more games having tested all. Plain simple from a practical stand point.

The physical buttons on the side can help me play games. And the super-fast charge attracts me. In fact, I'm a bit regret buying it because it can not be unlocked.

ZaneCode6574 said:
The physical buttons on the side can help me play games. And the super-fast charge attracts me. In fact, I'm a bit regret buying it because it can not be unlocked.
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Just wait a little. It will be unlocked sooner or later.
My only regret is that it supposedly had NFC on the paper and I can't find the NFC anywhere. I did not had a NFC phone since Samsung Galaxy Nexus and I want one now to test Google Pay!!
If I'm 100% sincere, I currently don't have that rush of unlocking, since it goes so smooth that I don't feel the need of having a extra pinch of anything in particular.

MiSSigNNo said:
Just wait a little. It will be unlocked sooner or later.
My only regret is that it supposedly had NFC on the paper and I can't find the NFC anywhere. I did not had a NFC phone since Samsung Galaxy Nexus and I want one now to test Google Pay!!
If I'm 100% sincere, I currently don't have that rush of unlocking, since it goes so smooth that I don't feel the need of having a extra pinch of anything in particular.
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BS 4 Pro has NFC, dunno where that rumor comes from ..

Pummelchen2021 said:
BS 4 Pro has NFC, dunno where that rumor comes from ..
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See that in 4PDA
Said that this is locked via software, unlocked somewhere around August?
Hope so.

i buy bs4 i know i will never get unlocked but for me its ok because when i see the roms for red magic 5 or rog 3 its so normal like downgrade you phone most rom great for normal use or normal gaming but when come to trigger and customize gaming hard to find rom supported
i have op3 and op6 with evo x rom work great i just wanna try something new in game
so bs4 cheap for what i want and good for 2 year also with 120w daily use i will kill the phone in 2year
so cheap bs4 12ram and 128g(i pick 256g) for 2 year is great choice

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normal like downgrade you phone most rom great for normal use or normal gaming but when come to trigger and customize gaming hard to find rom supported
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Exactly I see it like you.
I don't play any more in PC nowadays, only mobile, so instead of buying a GTX 3060 for around $400 that will serve me no more than 3 years, I've preferred to buy a specific gaming phone that doesn't have an equivalent among the "custom" phones like OP or Xiaomi/POCO.
Triggers, the huge frequency of touch screen (720Hz), etc... and the sound is completely wonderful
But I don't see the utility nowadays in more than 8GB. There are no games that consume more than 4GB RAM, considering that the base RAM consumption is around 2-2.5GB you will always have 1.5GB Free with 8GB but 6.5GB Free with 12GB which is obnoxious. This will not change for the next 3 or 4 years so I think that those 10+GB is just marketing trickery. Black Shark Pro and Redmagic/ROG with 16-18GB are a total waste.
This is not like a PC, where you have 10 programs opened in the background. In Android after a couple of seconds, the apps autoclose, removing the RAM they use. Therefore being over 3GB with system apps is extremely unlikely. But If I could remove the Xiaomi System apps by opening the bootloader one day, I will save some extra 512MB of RAM which will leave the phone in the basic 2GB stable for system app, leaving a total of 6GB RAM for gaming which is almost perfection.

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Just wait a little. It will be unlocked sooner or later.
My only regret is that it supposedly had NFC on the paper and I can't find the NFC anywhere. I did not had a NFC phone since Samsung Galaxy Nexus and I want one now to test Google Pay!!
If I'm 100% sincere, I currently don't have that rush of unlocking, since it goes so smooth that I don't feel the need of having a extra pinch of anything in particular.
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The NFC on Black-Shark 4 works well. But I seldom use it. For me, unlock the phone can help me capture the network data sometimes. Without unlock, there is no way to capture the HTTPS data on Android 11.

i just did a quick google, is root needed to pull stock rom via adb?

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True, but with the long heatpipe inside, the super quick charge and for now pretty much the highest benchmark scores of all Android phones ever existed, its quite impressive on the hardware side.
But I agree, the bloatware, spyware and whatnot, plus messy Google Play support is a major concern.
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An impressive benchmark doesn't mean much. That's just sandbox stats. And as time and time again is proven, what is ideal in simulation and on paper, is subpar in real situations and then you have hindered the end-user experience. - what is the point of having something that is apparently competing for the " console" market if using it is atrocious experience

Question Tensor G2 tested

Here you go
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1580897933171429376

but, honestly, how many people are getting the Pixel 7 Pro for gaming....?
this kinda just shows how the tensor 2 chip is for gaming environment....not a.i. or software fluidity, right?

Definitely didn't buy it for gaming. The only gaming I do on my phone is maybe some brick breaker to pass time.

Looks more efficient than Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 so what's the big deal?

Blah, blah, blah, who really cares? I have the phone in hand and compared to the previous Pixel(s) I used the 7 Pro is a winner! FINALLY, Google made a good phone that does everything I need, or want, just fine! The SOC's from 5 years ago were more than enough for 99% of the population.

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Looks more efficient than Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 so what's the big deal?
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Not sure that's anything to boast about, the 8 Gen 1 is terrible.

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Not sure that's anything to boast about, the 8 Gen 1 is terrible.
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Right but the G2 is also better than the 2100, 2200, and probably the OG Tensor before it (curious how that's NOT in the list because I'm sure it makes the G2 look good and we can't have that) so again, what's the gripe?
Oh, right, dude has a YouTube. Gotta get those click dollars.

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Right but the G2 is also better than the 2100, 2200, and probably the OG Tensor before it (curious how that's NOT in the list because I'm sure it makes the G2 look good and we can't have that) so again, what's the gripe?
Oh, right, dude has a YouTube. Gotta get those click dollars.
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The gripe is more to do with the rubbish 4 and 5nm Samsung fabs node that has produced inefficient SOCs for the past few years. We've been short changed with Android SOCs because of this.

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The gripe is more to do with the rubbish 4 and 5nm Samsung fabs node that has produced inefficient SOCs for the past few years. We've been short changed with Android SOCs because of this.
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Again, it's outperforming others while still being demonstrably more efficient so I don't understand the gripe. Even the temps are better than anything that performed worse than it except for the chips using GOS.
I'm so sick of seeing Google get slammed for having a good product despite what they had to work with. It's not like Google can just switch fabs, their agreement with Samsung LSI covers all these components and fabrication.

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Again, it's outperforming others while still being demonstrably more efficient so I don't understand the gripe. Even the temps are better than anything that performed worse than it except for the chips using GOS.
I'm so sick of seeing Google get slammed for having a good product despite what they had to work with. It's not like Google can just switch fabs, their agreement with Samsung LSI covers all these components and fabrication.
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I'm not slamming Google, I'm slamming Samsung fabs who have produced pretty awful SOCs for the past few years. Most of the Android SOCs are performing poorly because of this so saying Tensor is outperforming them doesn't mean much because they're *all* performing below par. When we get into TSMC SOCs next year and (hopefully) the 3nm Samsung node then we'll start to see Android phones improve again.

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I'm not slamming Google, I'm slamming Samsung fabs who have produced pretty awful SOCs for the past few years. All the SOCs are performing poorly because of this so saying Tensor is outperforming them doesn't mean much because they're *all* performing below par. When we get into TSMC SOCs next year and (hopefully) the 3nm Samsung node then we'll start to see Android phones improve again.
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I doubt that it's going to be as good as you think it is. It's going to be more high benchmarks and then a crash back to reality. Google seems to have actually engineered this thing for sustained performance and I don't have any complaints about the performance so far.

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I doubt that it's going to be as good as you think it is. It's going to be more high benchmarks and then a crash back to reality. Google seems to have actually engineered this thing for sustained performance and I don't have any complaints about the performance so far.
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Dont know if you've seen the Geekerwan
video but it explains all about power efficiency and how it isn't about high benchmarks and how Samsung fabs have produced pretty awful SOCs in terms of this. The 8+Gen 1 has improved the power efficiency massively over the 8 Gen 1 and that's all because of the TSMC manufacturing process. FWIW, there's rumours the 3nm Samsung is looking good so hopefully things will improve there but when youve got the OnePlus 7 Pro outperforming the latest flagships(as in the video) then you can see how badly things have went in the Android world lately.

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Dont know if you've seen the Geekerwan
video but it explains all about power efficiency and how it isn't about high benchmarks and how Samsung fabs have produced pretty awful SOCs in terms of this. The 8+Gen 1 has improved the power efficiency massively over the 8 Gen 1 and that's all because of the TSMC manufacturing process. FWIW, there's rumours the 3nm Samsung is looking good so hopefully things will improve there but when youve got the OnePlus 7 Pro outperforming the latest flagships(as in the video) then you can see how badly things have went in the Android world lately.
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Efficiency doesn't matter to most people, performance does. If the phone gets them through a day of heavy use, they're fine with it.

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Efficiency doesn't matter to most people, performance does. If the phone gets them through a day of heavy use, they're fine with it.
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Of course efficiency matters, people like the IPhone because the battery lasts forever. It also means the phone heats less/ thermal throttles less so performance is better. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here, even Qualcomm moved away from Samsung fabs because of their low yields and poor production. Surely as Android users and paying top money for these products we should be demanding the best performance and manufacturing of the parts? Like I said, when a 3 or 4 year old phone is giving better performance and battery life than a £1300 phone today (s22u for eg) then we shouldn't be saying "oh it's fine".

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Of course efficiency matters, people like the IPhone because the battery lasts forever. It also means the phone heats less/ thermal throttles less so performance is better. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here, even Qualcomm moved away from Samsung fabs because of their low yields and poor production. Surely as Android users and paying top money for these products we should be demanding the best performance and manufacturing of the parts? Like I said, when a 3 or 4 year old phone is giving better performance and battery life than a £1300 phone today (s22u for eg) then we shouldn't be saying "oh it's fine".
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Best performance and best efficiency aren't compatible. High performance parts sacrifice efficiency to get that performance. That's why a midrange phone can last days but a flagship can struggle to get through a single day.
There is no world where a 3 or 4 year old phone is actually outperforming a flagship of today unless you're talking about one that's been neutered by the manufacturer like Samsung and OnePlus do. Replace the stock ROM with a custom one and try again. Manufacturers keep nerfing performance because people whine about their phones being too warm.

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but, honestly, how many people are getting the Pixel 7 Pro for gaming....?
this kinda just shows how the tensor 2 chip is for gaming environment...
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Genshin Impact is the perfect game for testing GPU. I will never play this game but here you can see what you get with the Tensor G2.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1580618724511428609
And what you get is almost the chip from last year, which was already weak + in few weeks we will see the new Snapdragon 8 Gen2 which will smash the old one (and maybe even the A16).
Sure, you can lie to yourself and say something like "i dont need that" but the SoC is not powerful, not efficient and with the Exynos Modem you can forget about great battery life on mobile data, in late 2022.

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Genshin Impact is the perfect game for testing GPU. I will never play this game but here you can see what you get with the Tensor G2.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1580618724511428609
And what you get is almost the chip from last year, which was already weak + in few weeks we will see the new Snapdragon 8 Gen2 which will smash the old one (and maybe even the A16).
Sure, you can lie to yourself and say something like "i dont need that" but the SoC is not powerful, not efficient and with the Exynos Modem you can forget about great battery life on mobile data, in late 2022.
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Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 smash the A16? Hahahahahahahahaaaaaa!! Keep dreaming.

Looks more than fast enough for me. Benchmark slags are sad f*****s. For me it's about everyday use, and if my Note 10 Plus still cuts it from that perspective, this certainly will. An extra 5 FPS on a game I'll never play means jack as far as I'm concerned.
On a side note it's good to see it is amongst the lowest for temperatures.

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Genshin Impact is the perfect game for testing GPU. I will never play this game but here you can see what you get with the Tensor G2.
Sure, you can lie to yourself and say something like "i dont need that" but the SoC is not powerful, not efficient and with the Exynos Modem you can forget about great battery life on mobile data, in late 2022.
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"here you can see what you can get with the Tensor G2"......in terms of gaming, sure.
but is that the be-all and end-all of what the potential of SoC has and can be? Can it not be used better and more efficiently in other ways better than the ones that are superior in gaming and FPS? I'm pretty sure Google's even stated that their chip is more tailored towards "A.I. powered abilities" and algorithms. And, again, I question how many people would be getting Pixel 7 Pro with gaming as their main focus and reason....

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but, honestly, how many people are getting the Pixel 7 Pro for gaming....?
this kinda just shows how the tensor 2 chip is for gaming environment....not a.i. or software fluidity, right?
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I couldn't care less about gaming on my phone