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Ran a few quadrant test on the optimus 3D and this was the best one, the average was around 2350-ish.
I'll be uploading the linpack scores in a bit.
Linpack is around a steady 35-36
great, could you please tell us more about it?
does it reaslly support tmobile 3g?
how is the 3d display?
plese update us
Well ill try my girlfriends tmobile sim in the phone. I personally have sprint so im not sure update ya in a few hours.
Okay, so I wasn't able to test t-mobile functionality but I'm sure it won't be a problem after devs get ahold of the phone (i currently don't have a sim card in it, nor a gsm card currently available). and as far as the phone itself it's quite enjoyable. The software I have on here is the same they had at CTIA (hell it still has pics from CTIA on there lol) which isn't that stable. But the custom interface is nice and definitely caters to the 3D for the phone with the 3D+ menu. The 3D+ menu you can get to either by pressing the 3D button (where i personally think the camera button should be) or by a shortcut or by a widget which has all the options available. those options they have in the menu are 3D apps and games, 3D camera, 3D youtube, 3D guide (very helpful, ill get into that) and of course the gallery. Now for the 3D itself, as long as you hold it at the right angles and distances it looks pretty damn awesome. I myself hate 3D glasses and don't enjoy 3D movies just for the eye strain, but this seems to be a lot easier on the eyes. It came with a bunch of demo 3D videos, which are awesome and show of the potential quite well. The depth on it is great, I've seen as much as 4 fields of depth (like 4 different objects at different distances). 3D youtube also works very very well. The only thing I don't like about the 3D media is that you get slight scanlines (interlaced) look on it which doesn't really hold you true HD values. But still looks quite great. Now the peeve that I have with the current software (which i'm sure will be worked out in the final release) is taking pictures and videos for yourself. you have to become quite acquainted with the placement of the camera and how it will affect your pictures and videos. As soon as you take a picture the settings are off enough to where it will hurt you eyes, but there is an option to change the 3D formatting (which camera is placed where, i.e. left picture as main or right picture) and the 3D depth adjustment (your best friend) which allows you to manually adjust the lining up of the pictures. In this version of software I've noticed crappy battery life, but I'm sure the new kernels will make a world of difference, the web browsing and 3D gaming (in 3D too, like NOVA in 3D, which is awesome) is very fluid and powerful thanks to the dual-core OMAP4 processor.
So in essential everything works as promised, just wait for the final that they release and you should be blown away. All of my friends reactions, and retail people at staples (cell phone area) were amazed by the quality. The phone is also quite light and the screen is bright as hell.
anymore specific questions? let me know =)
thank you for the description!
can you post a 720p and a 1080p video?
720P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-goLd9HoQZA
1080P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmQiPWnLVIc
Keep in mind this isn't the final software version. Also, sorry about all the traffic noise, lol
How is it possibile.. damn!
From MWC of Barcellona, during the official presentation, it lost ~500 points in Quadrant bench????
At MWC LG show us a 2900 points in quadrant...
Ok by the way...
1) Can you post the original file of videos?
Because I'd like to know how is the original Video bitrate.
2) have you any lag during the game?
3) Can you bench with Neocore? I'd like to know the FPS
4) Can you tell us, how many FPS it does during the quadrant? I'm curious because during the "test of the planets" and the "DNA" it show a really slow FPS...
5) The photos can be taked in 16:9?
6) The Fix of GPS at cold? how many seconds takes?
7) How many seconds for the Boot?
Sorry for a lot of question... but I really wants buy this phone! and i want to know more and more about the 3D.
A REALLY BIG BIG THANK YOU!
Hmm... I hadn't know the previous quadrant score lol.
But I'd be glad to get you those things =D
I also forgot to mention I don't have a micro sd in this phone right now... so the quadrant may not be 100% accurate.
1) I'll do that once I get into work.
2) I've seen no lag, just small framerate drop during cinematics but still extremely fluid. (I've been playing NOVA in 3D a lot.)
3) I ran 3 on Neocore, 57.9 for first run, 58.7 on second run, 57.9 again for the third.
4) Planets it stayed at around 13-14 FPS for the planets and 24-27 FPS for the DNA.
5) As far as the current software that I have, there is not an option to change the ratio.
6) I couldn't trust the true functionality of the GPS since I have to use wifi. But it seemed to get signal quite quickly.
7) 20 seconds to get to splash screen, 30 seconds to load into launcher, 38 seconds to fully load the loader and lock screen.
What do you want to know about the 3D? truthfully from all the reviews I've seen about the two 3D phones (Optimus 3D and EVO 3D) all they say is "it really works!" lol. And it does. But what do you specifically want to know about the 3D?
Thanx for the info and the video posts.
I would also like to see the video clips posted in their original quality, for example a 3D 720p at the best quality setting.
Maybe using http://www.megaupload.com or similar place to upload a clip.
alrighty... well heres the two videos I uploaded to youtube in original format...
720p:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26057377/MOV012.mp4
1080p:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26057377/MOV013.mp4
3D 720p:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26057377/MOV014.mp4
The lighting seems to be more stable w/ the 3D? hmm... but that could just be where the sun is right now, It could have been interfering when I was turning. But anywho, enjoy.
Please could you post the phones current firmware and phone version and date, please
hi, can you sell me the phone ? As the release date is june??
how much time gps need that to catch fix(on cold gps) only with integrate gps?
Many thanks to you joeyrushlow.
- Can we take a look at the Dialer & the Contacts?
joeyrushlow said:
Hmm... I hadn't know the previous quadrant score lol.
But I'd be glad to get you those things =D
I also forgot to mention I don't have a micro sd in this phone right now... so the quadrant may not be 100% accurate.
1) I'll do that once I get into work.
2) I've seen no lag, just small framerate drop during cinematics but still extremely fluid. (I've been playing NOVA in 3D a lot.)
3) I ran 3 on Neocore, 57.9 for first run, 58.7 on second run, 57.9 again for the third.
4) Planets it stayed at around 13-14 FPS for the planets and 24-27 FPS for the DNA.
5) As far as the current software that I have, there is not an option to change the ratio.
6) I couldn't trust the true functionality of the GPS since I have to use wifi. But it seemed to get signal quite quickly.
7) 20 seconds to get to splash screen, 30 seconds to load into launcher, 38 seconds to fully load the loader and lock screen.
What do you want to know about the 3D? truthfully from all the reviews I've seen about the two 3D phones (Optimus 3D and EVO 3D) all they say is "it really works!" lol. And it does. But what do you specifically want to know about the 3D?
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Thank you so much!
It seems the LG Optimus 3D have a lot of street to do for going better!
The bench of the Planets and the bench of DNA have really low!
Optimus 3D have the same GPU of Samsung Galaxy, but in the bench the GS is faster then LG OPT 3D.
I hope they do a good work with the driver, because this is the best that they can do... I think I'll buy a LG OPT DUAL.
I've a couple of other question
1) Battery life?
2) The effect 3D is "stable"? because I've read that if you move a little bit, the 3D effect "go away"
3) Volume speakers?
4) How fast is in the net? Flash player is working good?
5) Can it read MKV files at 1080p with the standard player?
6) Can you record a video @1080 with REALLY FAST MOVEMENT of the hand? becuase it seems the LG Optimus Dual have a Bug in the camera... (see this video, and you'll see to much compression! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq0O8mQDTns)
Now i go to see the original video files!
thank you so much!
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Please could you post the phones current firmware and phone version and date, please
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There ya go.
jaikben22 said:
hi, can you sell me the phone ? As the release date is june??
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Haha no can do, I'm only testing it. I actually have to return it this evening =(
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how much time gps need that to catch fix(on cold gps) only with integrate gps?
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I can't get the GPS to work since I don't have an SD card.
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Many thanks to you joeyrushlow.
- Can we take a look at the Dialer & the Contacts?
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Here's a pic of the dialer. Can't get to the contacts for some reason, it fc's.
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Thank you so much!
It seems the LG Optimus 3D have a lot of street to do for going better!
The bench of the Planets and the bench of DNA have really low!
Optimus 3D have the same GPU of Samsung Galaxy, but in the bench the GS is faster then LG OPT 3D.
I hope they do a good work with the driver, because this is the best that they can do... I think I'll buy a LG OPT DUAL.
I've a couple of other question
1) Battery life?
2) The effect 3D is "stable"? because I've read that if you move a little bit, the 3D effect "go away"
3) Volume speakers?
4) How fast is in the net? Flash player is working good?
5) Can it read MKV files at 1080p with the standard player?
6) Can you record a video @1080 with REALLY FAST MOVEMENT of the hand? becuase it seems the LG Optimus Dual have a Bug in the camera... (see this video, and you'll see to much compression! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq0O8mQDTns)
Now i go to see the original video files!
thank you so much!
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1. Battery life sucks right now... they need to update the kernel and software. Final release will probably much better, and when they release 2.3 for it. It will be much better.
2. The 3D is semi-stable... But yeah it is really easy to lose the 3D angle, but if your stationary it's easy enough to keep the effect.
3. Speaker volume is eh... the quality isn't impressive either. It's not as good as the evo, and the EVO is quite mediocre.
4. The browser is pretty awesome, especially with flash 10.2... it works quite smoothly.
5. It looks amazing, but slightly unstable as far as playback, it works for about 10 seconds then starts lagging.
6. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26057377/MOV015.mp4
Hi
I have installed the new game star blitz. But i have very low fps. How about you?
Good preformance but game is very boring. Much better is GunBross.... this is the same game but space looks poor .
Well in my case game is laggy. It has not more than 15fps. Gun bros runs perfect...
Yup, it's not smooth, maybe 25fps. By the way the game is boooring.
Well anyway right now the game is not playable
try zoom to fit the screen (HC 3.2) if it's available, should boost your fps (in any games).
zoom is not aviable. Well it is bad optimilisation so we will have to wait for a patch
i dont understand how everyone always knows what their FPS are. are you guessing? or do you have an app that allows you to see your current FPS somewhere on your screen?
i know there are benchmark apps that show you your FPS in that benchmark but in specific games where people magically know they get 15 FPS, how do you see those numbers?
there is nothing to understand. Below 20 fps you can feel that the game is not smooth. I wrote 15 fps just as an example to show that the game is not smooth enough. I do not know maybe it is 16 or 18. Anyway it is not the way it should be.
Hello, i am owner of pipo M6 and i want share my experience so far. My englist isnt best so sorry .
I can post here more information or some pictures if you want guys.
Build quality :
- Casing is quite firm, is good on chinese tablet but not at grade apple and so on.
- So far i dont belive it to much, but time will tell if it survive more then month.
- Whole tablet is realy heavy, if you want light tablet - this is not for you.
Battery life
- so far its dissapoiment for me. Tablet last for 6 hour light usage with wifi.
Display
- Its is my first tablet so i expect somethnig special from this display, because most price is probably just for display.
- pixel density is realy good - you cant see individual pixels. Color are just fine. Nothing special - far from amoled.
- Brightness on other hand is not so great. No chance for outdoor use !!!! In indor area is usable durning day but only at full brightness.
Software
- oficial pipo rom isnt bad itself, but i have display flickering with realy hurt my eyes. After reflash with RileyROM is better. but rom iteslf seem slower then stock rom.
- still have problem instal few games on this tablet - for example most wanted/modern combat wont work for me.
Performace
- all apps i try so far in HD mode
- Google chome is quite slow, playing you tube video eat whole procesor performance. No chance for multitasking.
- stock internet browser works better.
- bsplayer can run HDvideos.
- Real racing is not playable !!
- gta vice city is playble on high
- dead triger is playble on low
- 2d games are fine
For the price 250 usd you get high res internet browser, book reader and video player. But:
This tablet is NOT for gamers - mine motorola razr xt910 run games better.
This tablet is NOT for outdoor use.
Battery is not so good like you expect specification.
For the money i dont know, my expectation was probably too high. If this is one of best quality chinesse tablet i dont wanna see the worst one. For that money in my country you can buy old IPAD, and that is probably better choise for me.
Thanks for the review. I was looking for a nice android 10inch tablet and this was the best looking "off brand" but I was still hesitant. Now I know it probably won't be a good option for me. Maybe back to the transformer infinity.
Thanks, your opinion is much appreciated. Seems more realistic than many in depth reviews I have seen.
I bought one for me mom. Although she is quite happy with it i can totally confirm your findings
D802 @ AOSPA 4.4
It's out!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftRAHM
Good-bye Real Racing 3, maybe? We'll see
It's downloading to my Xperia Play as we speak, check this place for updates.
UPDATE: So, the game is XPO and shows in the launcher.
I have a mixed feeling about the performance though. You can pick one of the three settings : BEST VISUALS/BEST PERFORMANCE/OPTIMAL. The game defaulted to OPTIMAL but I was shocked how bad the frame rate was, so I changed to BEST PERFORMANCE but it's still not very good. But I am on stock ROM with no overclock so... They are trying to force this horrible free to play model down you throat, always bugging you to spend that precious green currency to upgrade you car and stuff like that .
As for visuals and the 'driving feel', Real Racing 3 is still the king, even without support for XP controls.
This game is not bad, but doesn't seem so addictive that I'd be investing countless hours into it like I've been with RR3.
Also, music is horrible but that's something I've got used to with Gameloft.
I'd recommend this game only if your device can play it fluently, as mine can't.
It looks so nice
Im actually playing Real Racing 3 so i'll try that alternative
It also have low framerate on ICS rom, even on perfomance settings (on stock speed, i didn't test it with overclock).
But it's XPO, touchpads also work. Not so memory-hungry as real racing 3, so it should work on heavy ics/jb roms.
Sent from my R800i using xda app-developers app
Where is the settings for graphics? I'm on GB (Gin2Kittkat) and there is nothing to set, so the framerate is terrible even with OC to 1,4GHz (my XP can't get higher cause freezing). I downloaded this game yesterday, must set controls to wheel+pedals (XP controller didn't show up) otherwise there was damn auto accel. It looks funny but unplayable on Xperia Play.
Using RAM Manager Pro at Hard Gaming somehow helps with the framerates. Running debloated Gin2JB v2.5.2, stock kernel.
Frame rate is atrocious on this game when other cars are on the screen, even on best performance.
I'll try it at 2.3ghz later when I reinstall extreme kernel! It runs smooth on max settings on my jxd so it cant be massively demanding!
Sent from my R800i using Tapatalk 2
BensJammin said:
Frame rate is atrocious on this game when other cars are on the screen, even on best performance.
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Indeed. When on the lead, meaning no other cars on the screen, it runs fine. Also, lags are noticeable in areas where there are many buildings.
Dang, what's the point in making it XP controls-optimized but not ancient-chip-optimized? Oh, GL...
Miichaell said:
Where is the settings for graphics? I'm on GB (Gin2Kittkat) and there is nothing to set, so the framerate is terrible even with OC to 1,4GHz (my XP can't get higher cause freezing). I downloaded this game yesterday, must set controls to wheel+pedals (XP controller didn't show up) otherwise there was damn auto accel. It looks funny but unplayable on Xperia Play.
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You can choose Best perfomance or Best graphics.. just that
I set the game on Best Perfomance on Gin2KitKat (1.2Ghz OC) and its unplayable!
Below is the 3Dmark score while running on latset global beta. OP6 running on same specs performs better...and I expect poco to perform at same level. Its clear that MIUI is holding the phone back from achieving it's true potential when it comes to gaming. So just a request to custom rom devs not to overlook this.
Distrackto said:
Below is the 3Dmark score while running on latset global beta. OP6 running on same specs performs better...and I expect poco to perform at same level. Its clear that MIUI is holding the phone back from achieving it's true potential when it comes to gaming. So just a request to custom rom devs not to overlook this.
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OK.
Distrackto said:
Below is the 3Dmark score while running on latset global beta. OP6 running on same specs performs better...and I expect poco to perform at same level. Its clear that MIUI is holding the phone back from achieving it's true potential when it comes to gaming. So just a request to custom rom devs not to overlook this.
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i save almost 300 bucks from op6 , so i am not complaining , if can be improved ,its a plus
those are benchmarks though. you have to use both devices or ask someone who already has them about how they perform if you actually want to compare the "flagship gaming experience" feeling of using them. benchmarks are just numbers and wont give any score on actual real life usage, especially on devices with the same chipset.
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To be fair, I have to point out that I experience more hiccups on my F1 on MIUI 9 stable compared with my older Mi 5s on MIUI on latest beta. F1 is definitely better on the FPS department on gaming (very noticeably better) than my 5s, but hiccups or lagging while playing on long sessions on F1 is quite disturbing for me. The F1 definitely needs more stability updates.
*Games I'm referring to are Naruto Blazing, PUBG, and Mobile Legends.
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those are benchmarks though. you have to use both devices or ask someone who already has them about how they perform if you actually want to compare the "flagship gaming experience" feeling of using them. benchmarks are just numbers and wont give any score on actual real life usage, especially on devices with the same chipset.
EDIT:
To be fair, I have to point out that I experience more hiccups on my F1 on MIUI 9 stable compared with my older Mi 5s on MIUI on latest beta. F1 is definitely better on the FPS department on gaming (very noticeably better) than my 5s, but hiccups or lagging while playing on long sessions on F1 is quite disturbing for me. The F1 definitely needs more stability updates.
*Games I'm referring to are Naruto Blazing, PUBG, and Mobile Legends.
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I have both poco f1 and op6.
Op6 is obviously best in all gaming experience.
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Below is the 3Dmark score while running on latset global beta. OP6 running on same specs performs better...and I expect poco to perform at same level. Its clear that MIUI is holding the phone back from achieving it's true potential when it comes to gaming. So just a request to custom rom devs not to overlook this.
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Benchmarks are NOT the proper way of determining gaming capabilities.
Yes, the OP6 performs better but that's because it has no bloatware installed on it. It has almost stock android with some fine tuning. MIUI is filled with crappy add-ons that do almost nothing good to device performance. I haven't checked the global 10 beta. Maybe it's better than the 9 or maybe not. If you want to have the top notch performance , just flash a custom ROM with a custom kernel but that too needs waiting as I'm not seeing great development here for our F1. So all we can do now is wait.
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Benchmarks are NOT the proper way of determining gaming capabilities.
Yes, the OP6 performs better but that's because it has no bloatware installed on it. It has almost stock android with some fine tuning. MIUI is filled with crappy add-ons that do almost nothing good to device performance. I haven't checked the global 10 beta. Maybe it's better than the 9 or maybe not. If you want to have the top notch performance , just flash a custom ROM with a custom kernel but that too needs waiting as I'm not seeing great development here for our F1. So all we can do now is wait.
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Yes I am hoping for a good rom too....with proper tuning this phone can perform so much better
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Yes I am hoping for a good rom too....with proper tuning this phone can perform so much better
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Sorry but no. You have no idea what you're talking about. Nobody knows, at this stage.
The GPU or RAM could be clocked slower in the Poco, for all we know.
If you expect the Poco to perform as good as a phone that is 2x the price then you are just setting yourself up for disappointment.
Also, Poco gets 286k score in Antutu. Which is the same as their chart listing for OnePlus 6. Not that benchmarks are 100% conclusive of performance, as already stated.
Continuing @CosmicDan , benchmark scores on MIUI10 are better than even the 1000$ flagships. Both graphics and storage, which are causing bottlenecks on MIUI9 are vastly improved on 10.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/poco-f1/how-to/graphics-storage-improvements-miui-10-t3841169
P.S. : 3DMark is still not running. That's the only thing that holding me back from liberty to the skepticism.
people for the love of god and for 10000th time...benchmarks are never a measure for the real life performance of the phone,its only theoretical of what it can do under control preset environment,only noobs believe and base their ideal phone performance base on benchmark apps!!!
Buy a OP6 .
Im good with F1, i dont play on smartphones.
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Sorry but no. You have no idea what you're talking about. Nobody knows, at this stage.
The GPU or RAM could be clocked slower in the Poco, for all we know.
If you expect the Poco to perform as good as a phone that is 2x the price then you are just setting yourself up for disappointment.
Also, Poco gets 286k score in Antutu. Which is the same as their chart listing for OnePlus 6. Not that benchmarks are 100% conclusive of performance, as already stated.
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And as you are saying benchmarks are unconclusive. Some Manufacturers chose to cheat on them, like we saw with the Huawei s boost of CPU performance on benchmark apps. The most representative benchmark would be one that the manufacturer didn't know about when they were optimising the device and writing algorithms for benchmark detection
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Below is the 3Dmark score while running on latset global beta. OP6 running on same specs performs better...and I expect poco to perform at same level. Its clear that MIUI is holding the phone back from achieving it's true potential when it comes to gaming. So just a request to custom rom devs not to overlook this.
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Forget the benchmarks and go check the FPS in games. You can do that with GLTools (root is required). It can also optimize games for better performance/better graphics. Even without the optimizations you will get 30 FPS in all games on max graphics and even 60 FPS in games that support high frame rate.
pack21 said:
Buy a OP6 .
Im good with F1, i dont play on smartphones.
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you do know op6 has high touch latency as well
Distrackto said:
Below is the 3Dmark score while running on latset global beta. OP6 running on same specs performs better...and I expect poco to perform at same level. Its clear that MIUI is holding the phone back from achieving it's true potential when it comes to gaming. So just a request to custom rom devs not to overlook this.
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Seriously? people play games on phones ???
amitkuliyal said:
Seriously? people play games on phones ???
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Ah, I wouldn't be so proud of ignorance. Mobile gaming is nothing to scoff at. It rivals that of consoles and PC from a financial POV. Last I checked it was ~40% of all gaming revenue - should approach 50% by 2019/20.
So there's a reason Tencent, EA, Gameloft, and various gacha devs love mobile...
To me, it comes as no surprise that people want to play games on the F1. Most people have phones, but not everyone has time to play in front of a TV or monitor.
amitkuliyal said:
Seriously? people play games on phones ???
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I thought the same, until Bethesda announced Elder Scrolls Blades. Townsmen is pretty good too, if you like strategy games (doesn't need high specs though).
There's also great emulation potential, if you get a gamepad (iPega for example).
speaking of GL-Tools..
im quite annoyed when playung nba 2k18 on my F1.. it only gets about 30-40fps .. i used to enjoy playing it on my 5t,, which gets me to about 50-60fps with cloth sim, reflection and shadow all set to off,, the rest are all high...
tried this on poco f1,, 60fps on the first minute,, then going down and down to only 25-30fps on the 4th quarter.. tsk,, ive sold my sd 835 5T for this one,, and now am starting to feel sorry, tsk
anyways,, on emulator gaming such as PPSSPPP,, this one is superb
amitkuliyal said:
Seriously? people play games on phones
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PSP,Nitendo GB Color, Advanced, etc have the same form factor as a mobile phone and were a lot famous during their time. If you really think phone is not for gaming, you are so naive.
Developers are shifting on to Android, not for fun but they are earning from it and their profit tells us how many people play game on phones.
Just like Consoles and PC's have their own advantage (although PC has more) similarly phones have some advantage too.
-The most important point being portability when you are on the move. You will say that gaming laptops have an advantage then do tell me for how much time can you run games on a laptop before reaching for charger and can your laptop be charged for like 4-5 times with a powerbank?
-Android is a more free market for games, remember how tellatale changed the story? (bad that it's now closed)
-PUBG did the same thing, it brought a whole new genre to handheld device.
-We are bound to get a lot of new games once the developers like Nitendo comes onboard (properly) maybe it will crash the market of handheld consoles or atleast will make the developers decrease the cost of handheld consoles.
amitkuliyal said:
Seriously? people play games on phones
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Buys a phone designed for pure hardware prowess while cheaps out on all the rest features then wonders why ppl buy it. I know I shouldn't say it but you don't seem like a smart guy.
A meme would have described my feeling better the laugh I had reading this comment.