I think I haven't seen a single review of Moto Z that isn't reporting the "too small 2600mAh" as the major "defect" of the phone...
Reading numbers and having an LG G2 that with it's 3000mAh battery was reported as one of the best "top of range" (of its years... obviously...) that with my over 400 apps installed barely reached 3.5h of SOT (Screen On Time, with no gaming, only Internet and apps...) and considering that Moto Z has on board a 2K screen which are known to be more energy hungry than full HD (as seen e.g. LG G2 vs. LG G3...) I was a bit worried too, so I decided to go with Incipio from day 1, having it ready when needed...
Well... it seems that the result is: Motorola 1 - Reviewers 0...
It's over a week I'm using and testing my Moto Z with same number of apps, usage and settings I had on G2... look at the results attached!
I've measured them with two of the best software available: Accubattery Pro & 3C Battery Pro, both available on Play Store (and I can confirm their readings with my direct impressions).
These are the results (min/max values as measured by the two apps...)
- SOT: 5h 32m - 6h 26m range
- Standby/screen off: 30h - 67h range
- Mixed/normal usage: 17h 18m - 19h 39m
These values are waaaay better than what I had on my G2 with similar setup/apps/usage (and it had 3000mAh battery...!), and surely suitable to cover a full day of usage... (mixed surely will increase when I'll stop to continuously look/tweak/modify my phone! :laugh.
Ok, I'm quite good on optimizing my phones to avoid wakelocks, unuseful starting & background apps (& so on...), but I think that this is a demostration of the *great* work done by Motorola boys on this phone...
As final considerations let me add that on screen off the battery usage is really LOW and on screen on, of the about 17-18%/h of battery usage, about 14-15%/h is from screen consumption (much higher than G2's IPS that can easily stay even under 10%/h if dimmed a bit), so if you are searching for even better battery time, limit display luminosity as much as possible and eventually try "pixels off" apps (not yet tested by me... only some blue screen filter when I'm on bed...) that could work fine on our Amoled display...
With Incipio battery installed you can consider about 2-3h more of SOT (depending if used to trickle charging main @80% or to recharge it from lower values, which seems less efficient to me...) and TONS of standby/screen off more hours... :fingers-crossed:
enetec said:
I think I haven't seen a single review of Moto Z that isn't reporting the "too small 2600mAh" as the major "defect" of the phone...
Reading numbers and having an LG G2 that with it's 3000mAh battery was reported as one of the best "top of range" (of its years... obviously...) that with my over 400 apps installed barely reached 3.5h of SOT (Screen On Time, with no gaming, only Internet and apps...) and considering that Moto Z has on board a 2K screen which are known to be more energy hungry than full HD (as seen e.g. LG G2 vs. LG G3...) I was a bit worried too, so I decided to go with Incipio from day 1, having it ready when needed...
Well... it seems that the result is: Motorola 1 - Reviewers 0...
It's over a week I'm using and testing my Moto Z with same number of apps, usage and settings I had on G2... look at the results attached!
I've measured them with two of the best software available: Accubattery Pro & 3C Battery Pro, both available on Play Store (and I can confirm their readings with my direct impressions).
These are the results (min/max values as measured by the two apps...)
- SOT: 5h 32m - 6h 26m range
- Standby/screen off: 30h - 67h range
- Mixed/normal usage: 17h 18m - 19h 39m
These values are waaaay better than what I had on my G2 with similar setup/apps/usage (and it had 3000mAh battery...!), and surely suitable to cover a full day of usage... (mixed surely will increase when I'll stop to continuously look/tweak/modify my phone! :laugh.
Ok, I'm quite good on optimizing my phones to avoid wakelocks, unuseful starting & background apps (& so on...), but I think that this is a demostration of the *great* work done by Motorola boys on this phone...
As final considerations let me add that on screen off the battery usage is really LOW and on screen on, of the about 17-18%/h of battery usage, about 14-15%/h is from screen consumption (much higher than G2's IPS that can easily stay even under 10%/h if dimmed a bit), so if you are searching for even better battery time, limit display luminosity as much as possible and eventually try "pixels off" apps (not yet tested by me... only some blue screen filter when I'm on bed...) that could work fine on our Amoled display...
With Incipio battery installed you can consider about 2-3h more of SOT (depending if used to trickle charging main @80% or to recharge it from lower values, which seems less efficient to me...) and TONS of standby/screen off more hours... :fingers-crossed:
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I reach 3.5 hours of SOT, I noticed that Android and Google play services are draining battery really fast, second and third on Battery stats, what is your advice to avoid that huge draining?
regards
juliospinoza said:
I reach 3.5 hours of SOT, I noticed that Android and Google play services are draining battery really fast, second and third on Battery stats, what is your advice to avoid that huge draining?
regards
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Hi Julio, do you have root?
enetec said:
Hi Julio, do you have root?
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Hi, does rooting drain the battery faster?
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silvercat said:
Hi, does rooting drain the battery faster?
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It could... BUT I've asked for the opposite reason: to reduce most of drains (especially with hundred of apps installed like in my case...) root is *mandatory*...
@enetec
Which apps do you use with root to get better batterylife?
Bender1987 said:
@enetec
Which apps do you use with root to get better batterylife?
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Many. And with a combined "settings cocktail" I tuned up in years of experiment on my old G2... :cyclops:
Most important are:
- CPU Master Pro (or equivalents, like e.g. Fauxclock, to set frequencies, governor, etc...)
- Greenify Pro with Xposed extensions (to hybernate some apps during screen off)
- Leandroid Pro (to limit 3G/4G/WiFi/GPS/Bluetooth drains)
Optional/useful are:
- ES System Monitor (to limit apps startup on conditions)
- Amplify (Xposed module to reduce wakelocks)
- Wakelock detector (to... Guess! )
- Accubattery Pro and/or 3C Battery Monitor Pro to monitor battery usage by system, apps, screen & so on...
- Eyefilter and Monochrome to reduce screen consumption on dark places or (very) low battery conditions...
These are all quite technical apps with hundred of settings that require a good knowledge of Android system and apps to be properly set.
So, my hint is to start with one and set it properly then, eventually, decide to go with the next one...
Better is to start with monitor apps (battery, wakelocks...) and then, decide where to go with tune up, based on reported (by these apps) results...
enetec said:
Hi Julio, do you have root?
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no, I dont want to root it yet because is a great phone, I have the unlocked 03 version, double sim and 64gb; but I installed wakelock detector and thses are the process always on top
1. Google play services with thousands of wakelocks, always on top " net_scheduler" and " wake:com.google.android.gms"
2. Phone services with "gsmconnection"
Any advice to stop those annoying wakelocks. I will root it if I have too.
Thank you so much
juliospinoza said:
no, I dont want to root it yet because is a great phone, I have the unlocked 03 version, double sim and 64gb
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Any advice to stop those annoying wakelocks. I will root it if I have too.
Thank you so much
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Julio, this not a full-of-features-out-of-the-box-crap like an S7..
This is a Moto Z! You should root it BECAUSE it is a great phone!
Seriuously, getting the better of Moto Z requires root... and a solution for your problem (probably...) too.
I had to Greenify Play Services on my old LG G2 (for your same reason) and even if I started without doing it on Moto Z, I ended to Greenify them on Z too...
They are a (needed but) invasive & not so optimized set of services that often eat a lot of battery on... random!
Sometimes after one update they begin, then after another they stop and so on...
A good start (before root) could be installing a battery monitor like 3C and then post here some screenshots taken at end of a day (battery low...) taken from battery usage on settings, from 3C and from WLD... then we will see what to do about them.
Anyway the couple Greenify Pro in at least Root mode and Amplify Pro (requires root too...) are surely capable of solve it in any way...
enetec said:
Julio, this not a full-of-features-out-of-the-box-crap like an S7..
This is a Moto Z! You should root it BECAUSE it is a great phone!
Seriuously, getting the better of Moto Z requires root... and a solution for your problem (probably...) too.
I had to Greenify Play Services on my old LG G2 (for your same reason) and even if I started without doing it on Moto Z, I ended to Greenify them on Z too...
They are a (needed but) invasive & not so optimized set of services that often eat a lot of battery on... random!
Sometimes after one update they begin, then after another they stop and so on...
A good start (before root) could be installing a battery monitor like 3C and then post here some screenshots taken at end of a day (battery low...) taken from battery usage on settings, from 3C and from WLD... then we will see what to do about them.
Anyway the couple Greenify Pro in at least Root mode and Amplify Pro (requires root too...) are surely capable of solve it in any way...
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thanks for your support!
I will definitly root it eventualy, I have experience with my beloved Moto X.
What procedure do you recommend to root the moto z?
I will install 3C and post the screenshots, also with WLD.
regards my friend!
juliospinoza said:
thanks for your support!
I will definitly root it eventualy, I have experience with my beloved Moto X.
What procedure do you recommend to root the moto z?
I will install 3C and post the screenshots, also with WLD.
regards my friend!
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For the procedure simply follow the (working...) steps indicated in my "hacking experiences" post...
enetec said:
I think I haven't seen a single review of Moto Z that isn't reporting the "too small 2600mAh" as the major "defect" of the phone...
Reading numbers and having an LG G2 that with it's 3000mAh battery was reported as one of the best "top of range" (of its years... obviously...) that with my over 400 apps installed barely reached 3.5h of SOT (Screen On Time, with no gaming, only Internet and apps...) and considering that Moto Z has on board a 2K screen which are known to be more energy hungry than full HD (as seen e.g. LG G2 vs. LG G3...) I was a bit worried too, so I decided to go with Incipio from day 1, having it ready when needed...
Well... it seems that the result is: Motorola 1 - Reviewers 0...
It's over a week I'm using and testing my Moto Z with same number of apps, usage and settings I had on G2... look at the results attached!
I've measured them with two of the best software available: Accubattery Pro & 3C Battery Pro, both available on Play Store (and I can confirm their readings with my direct impressions).
These are the results (min/max values as measured by the two apps...)
- SOT: 5h 32m - 6h 26m range
- Standby/screen off: 30h - 67h range
- Mixed/normal usage: 17h 18m - 19h 39m
These values are waaaay better than what I had on my G2 with similar setup/apps/usage (and it had 3000mAh battery...!), and surely suitable to cover a full day of usage... (mixed surely will increase when I'll stop to continuously look/tweak/modify my phone! :laugh.
Ok, I'm quite good on optimizing my phones to avoid wakelocks, unuseful starting & background apps (& so on...), but I think that this is a demostration of the *great* work done by Motorola boys on this phone...
As final considerations let me add that on screen off the battery usage is really LOW and on screen on, of the about 17-18%/h of battery usage, about 14-15%/h is from screen consumption (much higher than G2's IPS that can easily stay even under 10%/h if dimmed a bit), so if you are searching for even better battery time, limit display luminosity as much as possible and eventually try "pixels off" apps (not yet tested by me... only some blue screen filter when I'm on bed...) that could work fine on our Amoled display...
With Incipio battery installed you can consider about 2-3h more of SOT (depending if used to trickle charging main @80% or to recharge it from lower values, which seems less efficient to me...) and TONS of standby/screen off more hours... :fingers-crossed:
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I have been wondering how can you people achieve 6 hours of SOT where as I am hardly getting around 3.5 hours after mixed use. Also I am worrying about what is Android system which stands second in my battery usage.
Yeah the battery on the Moto Z is actually pretty good in my experience. Back on MM, I would regularly get over 7 hours SOT. On nougat thats dropped to 5.5-6 hours, but still better than my old nexus 6.
This is the worst battery in any phone I've ever had. I can't even get thru a day at work without it almost dying. I listen to some music thru Bluetooth speaker in my crane and it chops the battery in half in just and hour of listening. I do regret buying this phone but I gave my mate 9 to my step daughter. I will be buying a new phone soon and will never buy another Motorola phone.
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enetec said:
For the procedure simply follow the (working...) steps indicated in my "hacking experiences" post...
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Can you please provide the best possible apss/way to optimize battery for non rooted moto Z.. I want to extend my SOT from 3-3.5 hrs
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ethan3686 said:
Can you please provide the best possible apss/way to optimize battery for non rooted moto Z.. I want to extend my SOT from 3-3.5 hrs
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Without root you can only work with (half) Greenify and with screen luminosity (it has a great impact on SOT...) I think...
Obviously, removing "bad" apps like Facebook or Messenger is mandatory... change them with Lite FB (that is *not* FB Lite... )
jr313 said:
This is the worst battery in any phone I've ever had. I can't even get thru a day at work without it almost dying. I listen to some music thru Bluetooth speaker in my crane and it chops the battery in half in just and hour of listening. I do regret buying this phone but I gave my mate 9 to my step daughter. I will be buying a new phone soon and will never buy another Motorola phone.
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Yup true in terms of battery it's the worst phone to ever have!! Have to charge it twice a day and barely ever got above 3 hour of SOT! But what can you expect from a 2600mah battery for a qhd screen. If you want this phone then you have to buy the battery mod in order to avoid charging twice a day otherwise it's a waste if your buying this phone and expecting it to last you a day..
enetec said:
Without root you can only work with (half) Greenify and with screen luminosity (it has a great impact on SOT...) I think...
Obviously, removing "bad" apps like Facebook or Messenger is mandatory... change them with Lite FB (that is *not* FB Lite... )
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What about rooted phones? What can we do with root and or xposed?
enetec said:
Many. And with a combined "settings cocktail" I tuned up in years of experiment on my old G2... :cyclops:
Most important are:
- CPU Master Pro (or equivalents, like e.g. Fauxclock, to set frequencies, governor, etc...)
- Greenify Pro with Xposed extensions (to hybernate some apps during screen off)
- Leandroid Pro (to limit 3G/4G/WiFi/GPS/Bluetooth drains)
Optional/useful are:
- ES System Monitor (to limit apps startup on conditions)
- Amplify (Xposed module to reduce wakelocks)
- Wakelock detector (to... Guess! )
- Accubattery Pro and/or 3C Battery Monitor Pro to monitor battery usage by system, apps, screen & so on...
- Eyefilter and Monochrome to reduce screen consumption on dark places or (very) low battery conditions...
These are all quite technical apps with hundred of settings that require a good knowledge of Android system and apps to be properly set.
So, my hint is to start with one and set it properly then, eventually, decide to go with the next one...
Better is to start with monitor apps (battery, wakelocks...) and then, decide where to go with tune up, based on reported (by these apps) results...
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retr00h said:
What about rooted phones? What can we do with root and or xposed?
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I Think it is quite well explained from in the post #7 from enetec. Not exactly on how to do it but some apps to get started with and do some more investigations around.
Check out the support thread for Moto Z issues found after Android update 7.1.1:
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-Z/Moto-Z-extreme-battery-drain-after-7-1-1-update/td-p/3758100
Hello to all of xda-dev users. I got problem with my Galaxy s6 Active smartphone. One day it's just start overheating and draining batery very fast, just about 1% per minute or two. I have search many threads over many forums for solution and didn:t find it so i ask here, maybe someone will help me.
What i have noticed that overheating is caused by processor (sensor exynos-therm) while battery stay cool. I have did a factory reset few tmes but it didn't help. I have flash a new rom from this forum, upgrading from android 6.0 to 7.0 but it also didn't resolve the problem. I have no ideas what to do and where to search to find reason of overheating. While device is running, all monitoring software shows minimal activity and processor usage, anyway the processor seems to overheat up to 80C (almost 180F). Please don't say it is normal cause it didn't work that way before that malfunction. I hope someone will help, thanks!
To start...
Run the monitoring software as root? Reading the CPU usage of processes might be restricted without it?
CPU clock is lower with thermal throttling and doesn't look like heavy usage?
GPU?
Persists with wifi off?
Check for wakelocks/CPU background time, and it's the process at the top?
*#0011# > select SIM > Tx power/TX, when the signal strength or quality is low, the decoding/transmitting could be expensive, the tx power isn't everything but it should ramp similarly, is this high?