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Figures they'd come out with it a week before I'm thinking of picking up an Imate Ultimate 8150. But it's out for those of you interested link below.
P3600 Full Body Invisible Shield
http://www.shieldzone.com/item_description/HTCP3600I.html
Nice!! It's listed for the P3600i, but I guess it's exactly the same as the P3600.
Anybody tried it already?? Better than a regular silicon cover?
How does this work?
If it is stretched all over the PDA, how is it joined/sealed? What about removing the batter cover or using the thumb wheel? Is it fixed like cling-film?
Also, the screen is recessed from the surround so if it is stretched around the housing and screen, then there would seem to be a gap between the screen and this cover, so what will the sensitivity of the screen be like?
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How does this work?
If it is stretched all over the PDA, how is it joined/sealed? What about removing the batter cover or using the thumb wheel? Is it fixed like cling-film?
Also, the screen is recessed from the surround so if it is stretched around the housing and screen, then there would seem to be a gap between the screen and this cover, so what will the sensitivity of the screen be like?
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If you followed the link and watched the installation video showing it being applied to an ipod you wouldn't have asked.........suggest you try that first.
Andych said:
If you followed the link and watched the installation video showing it being applied to an ipod you wouldn't have asked.........suggest you try that first.
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looks like it would be a least 3 pieces - one for the screen, then one for the keys, and one for the back - which does not protect the sides. And the video doesn't show how it fits on the phone, it shows how it fits on the front of a ipod - so don't be a smart a*s. He was asking how it fits on this phone not an ipod dumb a*s.
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looks like it would be a least 3 pieces - one for the screen, then one for the keys, and one for the back - which does not protect the sides. And the video doesn't show how it fits on the phone, it shows how it fits on the front of a ipod - so don't be a smart a*s. He was asking how it fits on this phone not an ipod dumb a*s.
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Get life....yes the clip shows it being fitted to an ipod......if you gothered to watch the clip you would have seen that the piece for the back also does the sides as they wrap around.....apart from the size etc the actual method of applying this will be the same.
Next time smart a*s do your homework rather than mouthing off.
Oh yes all my questions answered if only I had watched the ipod video.
Now All I need is an m700 that is exactly the same shape as an ipod, with all the buttons in the same place, with a flush screen, and well, all very ipodish, and then it will all be clear.
So this will be no more than a screen protector on the PDA. It will not protect the buttons or lower raised section of the housing. Also won't protect the sides (too many buttons), and it seems that the tight curves will be a problem for this cover. I can see this peeling off the m700 in a very short time
If you know so much about it, then can you explain how it will work with a recessed screen? Will I be able to tap it all over with a key and not damage the phone, and if I throw it in a box of coins, will all the phone be safe from scratches and chips - just like the ipod?
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Oh yes all my questions answered if only I had watched the ipod video.
Now All I need is an m700 that is exactly the same shape as an ipod, with all the buttons in the same place, with a flush screen, and well, all very ipodish, and then it will all be clear.
So this will be no more than a screen protector on the PDA. It will not protect the buttons or lower raised section of the housing. Also won't protect the sides (too many buttons), and it seems that the tight curves will be a problem for this cover. I can see this peeling off the m700 in a very short time
If you know so much about it, then can you explain how it will work with a recessed screen? Will I be able to tap it all over with a key and not damage the phone, and if I throw it in a box of coins, will all the phone be safe from scratches and chips - just like the ipod?
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Lets get this straight....I haven't used this product...however when I saw the "link" I went to the manufacturers site to get a better understanding of it....
I watched the video and while it was of it being fitted to an ipod I got a basic understanding of how it could be fitted to a P3600i.
I didn't think it was "cling wrap", I understood that there would be several sections involved....including one for the recessed screen (yes, just like a normal screen protector) and I too would be skeptical of it protecting all parts of the phone.
There is a tendency in these forums for people to not search out information but to ask seemingly dumb questions.....
As this product is new for this model....why not just ask if anyone has tried it or ask the manufacturer for more information.....or is that too hard to do????
NOT FULL BODY...JUST SCREEN ONLY
The site says full body not Screen only, that's a separate option...
I would really like to know if and how exactly this works on 3600.
I actually have silicon case and screen protector for mine, but this would make it considerably smaller...
Bought and use the InvisibleShield
Folks,
I bought it and had it send to Holland. Took about 1 to 2 weeks but ok I am not in a hurry.
The full body covers basically all the shiny black plastic plus the screen. The rest (middles of the sides and the front keys) are not covered. Also offcourse the camera, speakers etc are not covered. However, and this is probably the difference between P3600 and P3600i the front camara is covered by the shield blurring the image. Now I have already put it on the camera but the next time I would use a hole puncher to add the extra hole. I probably will use a sharp hobby knife to cut an extra hole (on the other hand I never use video conferencing).
The plastic is more stronger and thicker then normal screen protectors. Haven't tried to scratch it on pupose and guess what I am not going to do it. If a scratch forms by accident I will mention it here.
The screen takes some getting used to with the new cover. The plastic does not "slide" as easy as the original screen protector or the screen itself. Maybe this is just in the first period.
The application process it pretty easy if you just take the time. Takes about 30 minutes if you do it slowly. Only 2 minor bubbles on the back but those are not really an issue, the rest is perfect.
Hey for 20 euro's I think it is a good deal. No horrible rubber case or GPS blocking metal case for me anymore. Only downside is that if the phone is dropped now there is no protection. This is only against scratches.
Lifetime guarantee so lets see how often I have to send it back.
All in all recommended so far (but that is just after 1 day of use)
I want to see it
Post a picture please
Isn't it invisible?..
See the invisible sheet
Well actually it is quit difficult to see but here are some picures. The picture from the side shows you some edges.
Edges
The edges that you can see in the pic don't seem to line up perfectly, how were the dimensions on the rest of the edges?
i've been thinkin of getting one of these since i saw them for ipods but that messy edge is scaring me away a little, also how are you finding the screen protector after a little more use?
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Well the edges are more because of my talent I think. The reason why I showed you this is because at least you can see something. For the rest it alligns perfectly.
After using it for a while it still seems a great product. I accidentaly dropped the thing but no scratch at all. What you do notice is the slightly more pressure you need when using the stylo. Also the screen protector is not as smooth as the original screen making the sliding a little more difficult. Also the plastic sticks to your ear while calling. But all in all still recommended.
I just put it onto the white one...
...and it is invisible. You can see it only on buttons' silver surrounding, on white parts only the edges are visible if you try really hard. I haven't got a good enough camera to show it, sorry.
It has a sticky feeling about it (maybe needs to dry more?). I don't like it on the screen - feels sticky and thick. I'd say use a decent screen protector instead.
It came WITH the cut-out for a camera (it's 3600i shield, I've got 3600), so it fits like a glove.
Oh, it's not a stress-free, low pressure 15 minutes application like they advertise it. It's fekkin pain in the ar$e one hour job, you're swetting your ar$e off. And - I guess - you can never get it perfect at the end. There will always be a bubble or misaligned edge somewhere (or is it me?).
Long term use review to follow.
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...and it is invisible. You can see it only on buttons' silver surrounding, on white parts only the edges are visible if you try really hard. I haven't got a good enough camera to show it, sorry.
It has a sticky feeling about it (maybe needs to dry more?). I don't like it on the screen - feels sticky and thick. I'd say use a decent screen protector instead.
It came WITH the cut-out for a camera (it's 3600i shield, I've got 3600), so it fits like a glove.
Oh, it's not a stress-free, low pressure 15 minutes application like they advertise it. It's fekkin pain in the ar$e one hour job, you're swetting your ar$e off. And - I guess - you can never get it perfect at the end. There will always be a bubble or misaligned edge somewhere (or is it me?).
Long term use review to follow.
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Any update to report? I'm thinking about buying one and would like your oppinion since you've now had it for a while.
Dimitri- said:
Folks,
I bought it and had it send to Holland. Took about 1 to 2 weeks but ok I am not in a hurry.
The full body covers basically all the shiny black plastic plus the screen. The rest (middles of the sides and the front keys) are not covered. Also offcourse the camera, speakers etc are not covered. However, and this is probably the difference between P3600 and P3600i the front camara is covered by the shield blurring the image. Now I have already put it on the camera but the next time I would use a hole puncher to add the extra hole. I probably will use a sharp hobby knife to cut an extra hole (on the other hand I never use video conferencing).
The plastic is more stronger and thicker then normal screen protectors. Haven't tried to scratch it on pupose and guess what I am not going to do it. If a scratch forms by accident I will mention it here.
The screen takes some getting used to with the new cover. The plastic does not "slide" as easy as the original screen protector or the screen itself. Maybe this is just in the first period.
The application process it pretty easy if you just take the time. Takes about 30 minutes if you do it slowly. Only 2 minor bubbles on the back but those are not really an issue, the rest is perfect.
Hey for 20 euro's I think it is a good deal. No horrible rubber case or GPS blocking metal case for me anymore. Only downside is that if the phone is dropped now there is no protection. This is only against scratches.
Lifetime guarantee so lets see how often I have to send it back.
All in all recommended so far (but that is just after 1 day of use)
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Same question for you... Any updates? Thank you...
Definately recommended
After using it a few months I still think it is definately worth the few euro's. Ok it sticks a bit when calling for a long time and I think I even managed to get a small scratch on it but I sort of abuse the fact that I have the shield. Store it with keys, never use a case etc.
No I have bought some useless accessoires such as aluminium case (blocks GPS) and the remote for mediaplayer but the shield I would really recommend.
Cheers,
Dimitri.
Despite being careful, my screen is increasingly getting scratched. The scratches are only noticeable when the device is off (thank goodness).
If there are any other persons with the same problem, please post here.
I guess that you did not use a screen protector, right?
Correct. I also own a TyTn II and have no issues with the screen whatsoever. Of all the devices I have owned over the years, only this TC has been an issue.
I was noticing the same so applied the included screen protector... I usually don't bother as I don't like them and the device is a throwaway after a year anyway so it's not a big deal. But in this case I figured if it was like that after a few weeks then after 6 months I'd probably not be able to see the screen!
I've had a few Palm devices before i switched to WM and i noticed this scratching as well......Luckily i'm using the included protector.
I have to say on my previous Palms i didn't have this problem, also while using a protector, which makes me suspect that the stylus is the real problem here.
Any thoughts on this?
I use the screen protector, and also got some spares. I also cover the whoel device with a liquid "screen" protector to helpthe faces from getting ruined. So far so good
Problem with the Touch Cruise (Polaris...) is, that the screen is - unlike the Kaiser's - flat and not indent. This means, its exposed to EVERYTHING it touches. Thus chances are higher you'll get one or two scratches once in a while.
Second thing which I can only cite other ppl on other forums: those Polaris allegedly have a softer top layer to be able to operate the unit using only your finger. This would support catching scratches as well...
I'd use the protector. It's a shame having scratches on that mirrored surface.
Schaggo, can you indicate what other forums people are commenting about the screen?
I am interested in your view that the top layer is softer than most others.
i agree that the stylus is the problem ... to much thin... , i tried one from nintendo ds , it's much more rounded and it slide better ( sorry for my english...)
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Yeah, I'm using one from my old IPAQ !
ou guys use other styluses? I use my finger, thats what the Touch series should be made for I know it doesnt really work, the fonts are way too small...
Hicksville, I cannot judge what the other ppl say because I used the protector right away. Nothing ever touched my screen without the protector applied. But as I got it, the top film seems to be made of a softer material than the one of other WM devices. Reason for that is the reason for the "Touch" in the devices name: to make the touch layer register the actual point, where the finger tries to point at. If the top layer would be harder/stiffer it allegedly cant tell where exactly the finger tried to hit the screen because the area involved ('touched' eg. pressed down) would be bigger than with a soft top layer. Thats what I got and which makes some sense.
And logically a soft surface is more prone to be 'hurt' than a surface made of hard material. So I guess this might be connected. But I have to repeat, these are all assumptions by users and in no way official statements.
I've been using my phone w/o a screen protector, and I haven't gotten any scratches. Like schaggo I mainly use my finger. I did however test the screen by applying a lot of pressure with the stylus in a sweeping motion, and I didn't get any scratches (don't ask me what possessed me to try this). I later tried a much more conclusive scratch test on a CDMA Touch unit in a store on both the screen and the body and got no scratches! Yes, I applied a lot of pressure, (However, someone else had managed to put a scratch on the CDMA Touch's screen, but that scratch was really deep and probably done with a really sharp object; on the other hand, I did my testing with my TC stylus). I coudln't scratch both the body or the screen using a lot of pressure from my stylus and my nails. Maybe some of you exposed the TC to coins or keys inadvertantly?
That's pretty gutsy to test it on your own device. I am using the screen protector and I have a few scratches on that which is fine. When the time comes, I'll replace it with a new protector. As far as the rest of the case, I have been very careful so far with my device and haven't gotten any scratches anywhere on it. I think that suede/rubber whatever feel of the device is nice but I think it will scratch.
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That's pretty gutsy to test it on your own device. I am using the screen protector and I have a few scratches on that which is fine. When the time comes, I'll replace it with a new protector. As far as the rest of the case, I have been very careful so far with my device and haven't gotten any scratches anywhere on it. I think that suede/rubber whatever feel of the device is nice but I think it will scratch.
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Yes, very gutsy, I pushed hard enough to watch the screen sink it and rise back up very slowly...I don't know what I was thinking, but hey it turned out well w/o any scratches. The plastic on the screen is a lot stronger than your typical screen protector, so that fact along with my tests pretty much confirmed it for me. Furthermore, I don't like the look of screen protectors and I'm worried that they'll hinder touch flow.
As far as the casing, it seems bulletproof. But I'm like you, I keep it in the oem suede/microfiber case whenever its not being held to my ear for a phone call, and I've never put it in a pocket with anything else.
Actually with the suede comment I was talking about the body of the actual device. I'm not sure what that is but it has a nice texture to it. I haven't used that pouch that came in the package. Not a big fan of it. Head on over to the acc forum to see which cases people like. As far as the screen protector goes the original one does not hinder touch capabilities. Also in the acc forum they discuss different screen protectors, you might wanna check out one of those as well.
I have a quite a few scratches on the touch screen and also one on the home button, which is deeper. Most of the scratches on the touch screen are not very deep but theres alot of them. I was thinking of trying toothpaste but have been told that it could damage screen. Any suggestions?
Hi,
there is a polish compound called Displex. This worked best for me on GameBoy, mobile phones and MP3 players.
Just look for it on ebay, should be as cheap as 1-2 Euros (about the same in $)
Regards,
Zuzler
Zuzler said:
Hi,
there is a polish compound called Displex. This worked best for me on GameBoy, mobile phones and MP3 players.
Just look for it on ebay, should be as cheap as 1-2 Euros (about the same in $)
Regards,
Zuzler
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Hi thanks a lot for the reply Zuzler, are you sure it will work on a touch diamond? And have you tried it on anything touchscreen?
I tried Displex on my old htc tornado, and it didn't work very well for me.
i got HUGE scratches on my TD
the first day i got it there was a scratch on it.. before i could apply the screenprotector...
wish we could buy the front plastic for our TD/MDA, i once checked it out and the front is actually a 'screenprotector (just a piece of plastic with the black on the side ) ' too (at least mda) but if you rip it off you'll see all the bits inside i think.. so applying a fully transparent screenprotector over it would be ugly...
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BRASSO is good. available in the UK and US. do not get into gaps.
Oh, I forgot to mention that:
I think someone around here already wrote that. Since Displex melts the top layer of the display, it might be useless for the Diamond display since it has not the typical plastic-surface. But as I can not confirm that, you might want to research it yourself.
Regards,
Zuzler
Zuzler said:
Oh, I forgot to mention that:
I think someone around here already wrote that. Since Displex melts the top layer of the display, it might be useless for the Diamond display since it has not the typical plastic-surface. But as I can not confirm that, you might want to research it yourself.
Regards,
Zuzler
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I dont think I will risk testing the brasso, but many thanks for your help Also I have bought a screen protector now it should come in a week or two, I know its a bit late but do you think it will cover up the scratches?
If the scratches are not too deep and you polish the display with a non-fuzzing cloth before applying the protector you should get quite good results.
See this thread...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415933
Back in the day when I had a iPod Video, i had heaps of scratches on the screen (brasso wouldn't work very well). I put on a screen protector and none of them could be seen anymore. Wouldn't have known there are scratches on it. I dunno if it would work on the Diamond but its worth a go.
new anti-scratch device
they sell some devices out there which are...
..well, I don't know how to describe them...
I'll try, anyway: they are transparent and very thin plastic layers which often have a sticky compound on one side and you generally apply on the screen (and buttons like in the Diamond) of your phone. In this way you can scratch them but they prevent scratches on your screen.
They are amazing, and everybody should get one together with the new phone...
Obviously you have to purchase one before scratching the display.
I would say that this method could be called PREVENTION!
Stellino said:
they sell some devices out there which are...
..well, I don't know how to describe them...
I'll try, anyway: they are transparent and very thin plastic layers which often have a sticky compound on one side and you generally apply on the screen (and buttons like in the Diamond) of your phone. In this way you can scratch them but they prevent scratches on your screen.
They are amazing, and everybody should get one together with the new phone...
Obviously you have to purchase one before scratching the display.
I would say that this method could be called PREVENTION!
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Not even helpful dude. Just go back to wrapping you sofas in plastic and shutup.
AdamHC said:
Not even helpful dude. Just go back to wrapping you sofas in plastic and shutup.
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Well, my sofas came both with a cover, so I can wash them separately.
I bet your ones instead are dirty and you opened already a thread in http://forum.sofa-developers.com with the title 'Removing Stains'
Hey guys
I'm a new owner of a new Razr I and I want to share with you that BestSkinsEver is making a skin for the Razr M, wich has exactly the same dimension as our beloved Razr I...
I've used the screen and body skins for my Galaxy Nexus and I can assure that it's awesome... The best screen protector I've used... much better than dry applied ones...
http://www.bestskinsever.com/motorola-droid-razr-m-skin
I'm just waiting for them to star selling :good:
Are you using any screen protectors at the moment?
I'm using the atfoliX FX-Clear screen protection. It's great to apply, you can re-use it by washing it. Not a single air bubble at the main screen.
Best part is: After i asked for it, they now also produce a smaller film for the glossy area at the back of the phone! I think it's the only manufacturer that offers it, it now comes with the normal films. I think it's based on silicone or something, at least it's not that ordinary "try to apply without air inclusions beneath it".
I can recommend it 100%, as Gorilla Glas does not seem to be as scratch-resistant as advertised (take the Asus Padfone; from inserting it into it's station many users have scratches). 100% invisible except the cut-out at the front cam.
It's a german manufacturer so i don't now if you can get it outside of germany. Some protections are sold outside germany, but not for every single device. Price is okay as it is 3 films for 5€.
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I'm using the atfoliX FX-Clear screen protection. It's great to apply, you can re-use it by washing it. Not a single air bubble at the main screen.
Best part is: After i asked for it, they now also produce a smaller film for the glossy area at the back of the phone! I think it's the only manufacturer that offers it, it now comes with the normal films. I think it's based on silicone or something, at least it's not that ordinary "try to apply without air inclusions beneath it".
I can recommend it 100%, as Gorilla Glas does not seem to be as scratch-resistant as advertised (take the Asus Padfone; from inserting it into it's station many users have scratches). 100% invisible except the cut-out at the front cam.
It's a german manufacturer so i don't now if you can get it outside of germany. Some protections are sold outside germany, but not for every single device. Price is okay as it is 3 films for 5€.
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really great screen protectors i like this.
They have just been dispatched
CentaXx said:
I'm using the atfoliX FX-Clear screen protection. It's great to apply, you can re-use it by washing it. Not a single air bubble at the main screen.
Best part is: After i asked for it, they now also produce a smaller film for the glossy area at the back of the phone! I think it's the only manufacturer that offers it, it now comes with the normal films. I think it's based on silicone or something, at least it's not that ordinary "try to apply without air inclusions beneath it".
I can recommend it 100%, as Gorilla Glas does not seem to be as scratch-resistant as advertised (take the Asus Padfone; from inserting it into it's station many users have scratches). 100% invisible except the cut-out at the front cam.
It's a german manufacturer so i don't now if you can get it outside of germany. Some protections are sold outside germany, but not for every single device. Price is okay as it is 3 films for 5€.
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I have just ordered them! they thanks for your recommendation!
motorola = a big letdown
I think Motorola make great phones only thing is that they 'divide' themself from others. They never sell worldwide and always depend on ONE stupid provider: Verizon. Thats why Motorola will never be popular and their brand will soon be forgotten...
Why would you need a screen protector ?
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Why would you need a screen protector ?
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Because you better protect the display.
Protect it from what? ... your fingers?
Then why bother buying a phone with gorilla glass?
I agree ... if you go with your phone in a hostile environment then yes, you have to protect it (like .. tracking while mountain biking). But in normal daily usage, the phone (any phone) feels just great in the original form.
As already mentioned, have a look at the Asus Padfone. It uses Gorilla Glas, too, under specific circumstances scratches may occour anyway.
http://www.amazon.de/atFoliX-Displa...0XGO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1357078998&sr=8-1
Just watch the pictures and tell me if you see any difference apart from the front cam cutout. I can tell you that you won't notice any difference, no one noticed the protection and IF i accidently put keys into the same pocket as my phone (won't happen as i have a case, too) at least the display won't get scratches. Probably the protection will, so just throw it away and apply the next one. You receive 3 when buying it for 4,50€. I don't get paid for writing this, but it's not like this was a big amout of money.
The gorilla glas can and will get scratches, too, but not as fast as normal glas.
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As already mentioned, have a look at the Asus Padfone. It uses Gorilla Glas, too, under specific circumstances scratches may occour anyway.
Just watch the pictures and tell me if you see any difference apart from the front cam cutout. I can tell you that you won't notice any difference, no one noticed the protection and IF i accidently put keys into the same pocket as my phone (won't happen as i have a case, too) at least the display won't get scratches. Probably the protection will, so just throw it away and apply the next one. You receive 3 when buying it for 4,50€. I don't get paid for writing this, but it's not like this was a big amout of money.
The gorilla glas can and will get scratches, too, but not as fast as normal glas.
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quote everything!
The gorilla glass CAN get scratches. Your phone will NOT get scratched in "normal daily usage" - swiping and touching it with your fingers, car keys bumping with your phone, etc. As for the ASUS Padfone, it gets easily scratched as there are no borders to protect it. Also, I believe it is due to other issues like when they insert it on the tablet.
I own an S3 and it is gorilla glass 2 but got some scratches when it fell and slid on the floor (tiles). This is because there are no borders around the screen of the S3 so the gorilla glass takes all the beating.
That's what I said. If you intend to beat-up your phone, then you better put a rugged skin and a thick screen protector. Otherwise, just use it. I do not intend to "protect" it from accidental miss-usage sacrificing the beauty of the device for this. Accidents will always occur ... you have to accept this. And your phone might get a cracked screen even with a screen protector on it (if dropped in the unlucky position, on the corner). So .. why bother?
I have been using mine without a screen protector, and it now has a few tiny scratches.
I think this whole 'gorilla glass' thing is just a marketing gimmick.. I've had XDAs many (many, many) years ago without screen protectors that went through far worse than what this phone has had to go through, and they were fine.
One has to understand the fact the gorilla glass is a reinforced glass ... but still a glass. And a sand particle you catch in your pocket will likely scratch the gorilla glass ... it is a simple matter of material hardness.
Here is a more detailed explanation: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1866049
For brazillians out there:
ttp://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-454256984-pelicula-premium-motorola-razr-i-xt890-frete-gratis-_JM
(É só colocar um h antes do link)
I love the way the screen does not pick up greasy fingerprints. This is not the same with screen protector on though. Is there one as good as that?
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I've been using atFolix FX-Clear Film for Razr I and I'm really happy with it.
Doesn't grease at all (but I make sure I don't have greasy hands before using my phone).
I don't know if it actually works as well as they claim it does but this Rhino Shield seems like a seriously impressive product...
http://shopify.evolutivelabs.com/products/rhino-shield-phone
They don't currently make one for the Razr I but I've spoken to them and they say they would probably produce one if they were to receive 100 orders.
What is the likelihood of that do you think? Anyone interested?
Naunaud said:
I've been using atFolix FX-Clear Film for Razr I and I'm really happy with it.
Doesn't grease at all (but I make sure I don't have greasy hands before using my phone).
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I´m also using atFolix FX-Clear. It fits realy perfect on Razr i. Easy to apply with no air bubbles.
But after now 6 months of use i think the "grease protection" is gone away...
I need more time for cleaning of the phone than before and its hard to remove the grease
a friend has a rough screen-protection (not cristal clear) this realy take no fingerprints.
this rough screen-protection i will try next time.
apply a screen-protection is the first thing i do after unpacking a new phone!
There is nothing worse than a scratch on the (real) display! -> great value loss when selling
My Razr I from Three came with one applied ... it's not the cloudy film they normally put on new phones either. Either way, saved me a few quid trying to find one.
Seems like all the "Reviews" are nothing more then install video's of people saying oh its so amazing. But if you dig deeper you will find issues that a proper review would of find easy. So lets review it.
Little about my self. I am and Engineer in the fiber optics industry. I wonk on the absolute faster detectors available. We use UV optical adhesives every day. So needless to say i know a thing or two on this topic.
The concept is great and when done right the best way to attach a screen protector. But this comes at a cost. Cheap out on anything and it will show. So lets look at this.
-Full cover. errrr not really Notch cut for the camera and sensors. Odd because optical adhesive you can go full over and have zero impact on those.
-9H Hardness. "Shakes head" No..Its not. They need to stop claiming this every company. Its not 9H.
-Beveled edges. This is a must. Ask anyone who has one that is not beveled how easy they chip.
-UV curing light is a good design and has plenty of LED's to cure the adhesive. "5w max" Honestly im not seeing those being close to 1w LED's. If people want i'll take apart the light but no heat sinking as far as i can tell. So im guessing 3v 60ma .5w each total max output 3w. And honestly 3w is fine. Its very thin and easy to cure.
Fixture is great and works very well. No complaints on that. Just watch a few videos and read the instructions and you will do fine. The Fixture is well thought out so hats off to engineers who did that.
The ugly. This is where things get bad. This is where you can see the corners that were cut and boy did they cut them.
-Dust removal sticker. Don't use them. Cheap sticker and will leave residue on the screen. Save your self some time and just put them in the trash.
-Cleaning cloth. Not optical quality. Again put it in the trash it will just put stuff on the display. Cheap fabric not a quality optical cleaning cloth.
-Alcohol wipe...Well the directions say that but the wipes included are Ethanol...Please tell me these are not medical grade. If so then they have some additives. Well again trash it and use some 95% or higher Isopropyl alcohol. Make sure no color or sent has been added. You want as pure as you can get.
-Absorption pads. Now i would love to say trash them. But you need them. Make sure you give them a good rub down to remove all the lose fibers on them. And give the long fibers that hang off after a little trim. You do not want one to get under the screen or at the edge.
-Dimples on the underside of the protector. You don't need these. They do nothing but put 4 contact points to your phones display. The adhesive will flow an even coat.
-The worlds cheapest UV adhesive...Guys its bad...Real bad. Give you an idea. In bulk the quality optical adhesive is expensive. Well you get what you pay for or in Whitestone's case you don't get what you do not pay for. I searched and i found the supplier for there adhesive. How cheap is it? Well its $1 per 30ml. Stuff we use is $30 per oz. or 29.9ml. Yup that explains everything. This is why they can give you so much and still keep that price point. But for this you want less but higher quality. Combine that with tubes that are not 100% air tight and you are begging for problems. Also keep in mine UV Adhesive's have a shelf life and exposure to oxygen age them faster.
Lots of people complain about the delamination. This is from bad UV adhesive. Keep in mind you have a bare glass surface you are attaching to a glass surface with an oleophobic coating. This coating does after the adhesion of the adhesive. So you really need the proper quality adhesive. The adhesive they use never fully cures. If you check out my video in the Deamination topic you can see even after curing then putting 200w of UV on it for an addition 20sec with a proper industrial UV curing station it never fully cures. Multiple kits i have tested they all do this. But its $1 per 30ml so what do you expect.
You will see pictures of the optical property's of the adhesive. It is my opinion that it is not optical grade. Also you will see a picture of the delamination.
Overall this is a 4-10. Held back by the extremely low quality UV adhesive. The most important part is the cheapest. This is why they cut the notch in the protector. Because it would affect the caners where a proper optical adhesive would have zero affect. I'm disappointed. This was hyped so much but no one really looked at it. It's a great concept held back by cut corners. The proper adhesive this would be a 8-10. This method with the proper optical grade adhesive could do a true full cover screen protector then it would be a 10/10. But i do not recommend this. Price is to high for the corners that were cut. The adhesive issue really needs to be addressed because i would take a few other protectors over this.
Message to Whitestone.
I tested Adhesives from 3 kits. Results were all the same. All the kits were ordered at different times as 2 were from Amazon and one was direct from you. I have identified this adhesive not long ago and this is typical for it. However if you want to play we only use the highest quality materials card then you can go ahead and send me a tube of it. It can be in the manufacturers tube or the tubes that come in the kits. I do not want another kit im only interested in testing this adhesive and i will give you one chance to test some prior and send it to me. I will then report my finding's on here and make a note of it here. If you would like to work together on finding a cost effective quality optical adhesive i have contacts with not only the distributes for these but also with the companies that make the highest quality optical grade UV adhesives in the industry. I do not want nothing in return i will work with you for free to fix this product so that future phones can benefit from it and i have the option to easily order a quality kit. I want a 100% coverage protector and working together this can be done. There is potential here and it is with the system developed for the install and that is what makes the product stand out. My work has a building in SoCal. I go out there a few times a year and i am more then willing to come visit your office why i am out there and we can talk.
Now i know i will get the "Mines perfect best ever" post. But those post mean nothing. You have not tested the adhesive. I have. You just have not had any issues with it yet and you may never have them. But i went ahead and i tested this. Same results every time and i know what adhesive they use now.
So, would you say this thing is a pass?
Thanks for the detailed review and focusing on everything, not JUST the adhesive.
I still got mine applied to my phone, and well.. it is there. The time it starts wearing off the edges, maybe I will apply the second spare one just because I already bought it. But yeah, a full, really full screen coverage one with perfect optical properties would be awesome to have!
felloffthetruck said:
So, would you say this thing is a pass?
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I won't advise anyone to buy or not to buy this. Thats for you to decide. I'll answer any questions you have thought. I will say that I will not use this for reasons I posted. I won't buy another one until changes are made at the minimum in there selection of adheasive.
Could you point me in the direction of a good adhesive that you would recommend? (That I can buy online)
irieblue said:
Could you point me in the direction of a good adhesive that you would recommend? (That I can buy online)
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Will post that when I finish testing the samples I have.
bignazpwns said:
-Full cover. errrr not really Notch cut for the camera and sensors. Odd because optical adhesive you can go full over and have zero impact on those.
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Me a bit nitpicking here, but...
Weird, the part of optical physics that I learned back ... long ago.. taught quite clearly that if there are any surfaces with different optical properties on each side, it will have an impact. And I'm pretty sure the adhesives do not match (optically) exactly with either glass it touches (let alone both). Whether those effects will be significant enough to be visible in the photos depends on the whole optical path (and sensor's properties), though.
Since none of the surfaces have proper coatings aimed for optical performance (more for anti fingerprint etc.), and especially the protector glass (the internal material, not the coatings) not designed for optics, I'd expect ever so slightly more lens flaring and similar effects. (If there would be a flash LED for the front camera, it could get really messy, but Note 9 seems to use the whole display for front side "flashing", which reduces the spot brightness near the camera lens compared to a LED flash.)
The adhesive filling the space between the phone's glass and protector's glass does make the effect much lesser than with a protector that sits a tiny bit above with a tiny air gap. So in that sense, with these liquid adhesive type protectors, I'd expect the effects to be indeed mostly ignorable. But not zero, per se.
For the other sensors than camera, the effect can be considered zero, since they are measuring mostly (more or less) spatial averages to begin with. A bit of fuzziness doesn't change their results. Hmm. though I don't know how the iris-camera works.
All that said, I'd still say to choose a protector that covers the lens area(s). A single scratch on the phone's glass over the lens can make a worse effect than a protector does.
Also, (me partially countering the point of having an effect): I have currently a really bad example of a protector myself; a normal cheap protector with a typical dot grid on bottom surface, a normal (non-smooth) adhesive even on the area of the front camera lens, not a perfect fit by shape, etc. That is, I can see the non-smooth stuff between the glass layers (when display is black, and on the sensor spots). Yet, the photos come out ok, so things can obviously be pretty darn crappy and still be ok for the front camera needs. Though, I haven't zoomed in or done comparative tests in more challenging lighting situations. (I will do better tests once other protectors arrive; I need to keep this one on for now, for its main task of protecting.)
Nice review, but the whitestone still beats having nothing on the phone. I did the ghetto "whitestone" on my Note 8 using a generic glass protector and LOCA glue bought on Amazon. Served its purpose and protected my phone when I dropped it on a gravel surface. Phone looked brand new when I replaced the glass with a whitestone version because the ghetto glue method was too time consuming to ensure no bubbles. I have installed 4 more whitestone glass screens on mine and others phone with no issues and would not hesitate to recommend it. The issues you bring up have merit, but do not deter the protective elements of the tempered glass screen. I would like a better glue solution as well. But until then, my whitestone paired with a quality case will have to do. So far it does just fine.
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Nice review, but the whitestone still beats having nothing on the phone. I did the ghetto "whitestone" on my Note 8 using a generic glass protector and LOCA glue bought on Amazon. Served its purpose and protected my phone when I dropped it on a gravel surface. Phone looked brand new when I replaced the glass with a whitestone version because the ghetto glue method was too time consuming to ensure no bubbles. I have installed 4 more whitestone glass screens on mine and others phone with no issues and would not hesitate to recommend it. The issues you bring up have merit, but do not deter the protective elements of the tempered glass screen. I would like a better glue solution as well. But until then, my whitestone paired with a quality case will have to do. So far it does just fine.
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I can't get the same protection from a $12 protector. So how does it beat those in terms of protection? It offers no more protection then any other on the market. Infact the Zag elite offers more protection for the same price. The thicker gel adheasive offers significantly more impact protection. Much harder to put on and remove air bubbles but in terms of protection this is vastly superior. Where zag went wrong is not telling people how soft the adhesive is so they push down on it as hard as they can to get a bubble out and it cracks. And then they had to gimp it with some unnecessary bezzles that cover a bit of the display
Bottom line is the Dome is $20 over priced. The adhesive is trash and the olophobic coating is the worst I have ever seen. No excuses for this on something that sells it's self as premium. It's not. It's the same quality as the $12 Alibaba's and personally I would get one of those. Warranty is nothing since you could still get one on Alibaba shippped for the price you will pay for the warranty replacement. And it uses the same trash adheasive.
When you buy "Loca" it's trash from bad batches that they sell on places like Amazon or Alibaba or to places like Whitestone at a heavy discount because it's defective. So you are already useing a defective product from the start. These are facts. I tested these and posted those info. It's trash they pay $1 per 30ml of those stuff. And they call it Loca because it's not an optical adheasive. It makes it sound fancy because they can't call it a UV optical adheasive. Because it's not optical. But it's "optical cured" so Loca.
Facts are facts. I proven this adheasive is trash and defective from multiple kits. I'll test any of it. Got any left I'll test that Whitestone can send me some I'll test that because I know it's trash and it's from batches that were not mixed right. Multiple people have committed on this issues that's why I started testing this and looking into it because what they had in the prictures we seen before. Hell I can tell you exactly what is wrong with it. However working with a supplier when we had that issue I signed a NDA as part of them telling us every detail about it. Because we needed to know why it did that, when it started, how to test for it, how it will be fixed etc.
Like I said. If you use it and like it that's great. No problems with it that's even better. Get a case drop it face down. On a hard surface so it only hits the case then protector is unsupported and you will have delamination. I did this as part of the big testing video I'm doing for this. 2 drops it started.
Also I'm willing to work with them. All my test data as well as some samples I'll send to them or take to then when I'm in California. I love there install method and it will be a home run when the corners that we're cut are fixed. They pay $1 per 30ml of adheasive I can get them a bulk order that ends up being $1.75 per 30ml if they buy bulk lots. That's optical grade I'll send them the contract info and the sales rep I know for there. Use that and it's fixed. I tested that adheasive on this also and it works just like it should. I really want them to improve it.
As of right now now on my desk I have 35 different uv optical adheasives and more on the way. One manufacturer is even making a custom adheasive to test for this application. This all started as a simple test it and see what's wrong with it but due to all the people asking it's gotten much bigger. I hope Whitestone reaches out to me and I can get them the test information I have so they can improve the product.
Hi, I have been following your findings and it is an interesting matter for me at least.
Anyway, I wanted to write an update about my using the Gear VR with the default Whitedome / adhesive installation.
Previously I mentioned I got the "bubbles / webbing" permanently at the very bottom part of the protector, on a central area right above the USB connector (about 10mm wide, 1mm tal), after having the Whitedome applied and using the GearVR on the next day. Now it has been a couple of weeks maybe, and the bubbles part is still there (size unchanged apparently).
What I want to add is, something a bit unexpected (for me) happened: I used the Gear VR again yesterday (several days after the Whitedome installation) for around one hour, and and after taking the phone off, there were MORE bubbles / webbing in a different area, almost horizontally oval in shape, around 1.5cm wide by 0.8cm high. It was positioned about 2cm ABOVE the early thin stripe of bubbles, completely separate from it (not a continuation). I was pissed off because THIS was on top of the screen and obstructiong the image, really annoying. As it was late I decided to just go to sleep and deal with it when I had some free time. But to my surprise it was COMPLETELY GONE this morning. The previous thin mark at the bottom remains. But I can see no trace whatsoever of the "new" affected region..
gamekill said:
Hi, I have been following your findings and it is an interesting matter for me at least.
Anyway, I wanted to write an update about my using the Gear VR with the default Whitedome / adhesive installation.
Previously I mentioned I got the "bubbles / webbing" permanently at the very bottom part of the protector, on a central area right above the USB connector (about 10mm wide, 1mm tal), after having the Whitedome applied and using the GearVR on the next day. Now it has been a couple of weeks maybe, and the bubbles part is still there (size unchanged apparently).
What I want to add is, something a bit unexpected (for me) happened: I used the Gear VR again yesterday (several days after the Whitedome installation) for around one hour, and and after taking the phone off, there were MORE bubbles / webbing in a different area, almost horizontally oval in shape, around 1.5cm wide by 0.8cm high. It was positioned about 2cm ABOVE the early thin stripe of bubbles, completely separate from it (not a continuation). I was pissed off because THIS was on top of the screen and obstructiong the image, really annoying. As it was late I decided to just go to sleep and deal with it when I had some free time. But to my surprise it was COMPLETELY GONE this morning. The previous thin mark at the bottom remains. But I can see no trace
whatsoever of the "new" affected region..
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That's delamination from defective uv adheasive. As in my video you can see it cures about 50% and then still leaves some wet uncureable adheasive behind and is in some cases acting as an indexing gel. The delamination is still there you will need a microscope to see but masked by that adheasive that's wet acting as an indexing gel.
I got a gear VR on the way. It's on loan from a user to test it with another adheasive. I'll test this and see how it holds up. Run the phone hot and do multiple install and removals then do a few battery drains why it's in the vr. Glad this is a work phone and not my personal phone.
I actually find the oleophobic coating of the whitestone to be very good.
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harlenm said:
I actually find the oleophobic coating of the whitestone to be very good.
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Yeah same here.
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Yeah same here.
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Then it's more product inconsistency. Friend said his is holding up ok. I know mine had scraches in it after a few hours. And one of them out of the box had a burn in the coating as well as a deep scrach deeper then the olophobic.
Any product recommendation or where we can get the good loca glue?
I personally would be interested in a tube of high quality adhesive if anyone is able to source some. Perhaps the OP would be able to point us to a supplier?
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Then it's more product inconsistency. Friend said his is holding up ok. I know mine had scraches in it after a few hours. And one of them out of the box had a burn in the coating as well as a deep scrach deeper then the olophobic.
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Ouch that looks rough. Never had those issues on multiple protectors but inconsistency does happen of course with all products. If they don't provide adequate service or replacement though, well then that's a different issue
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Ouch that looks rough. Never had those issues on multiple protectors but inconsistency does happen of course with all products. If they don't provide adequate service or replacement though, well then that's a different issue
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I posted this before. I will say Whitestone sent out a replacement kit for it for free and we're very easy to deal with and gave me very fast responses. So the service is great even though people say it's bad my experience was great. I reached out to them on Facebook and not via website so maybe Facebook is the way to go. And I noted all that when I made that post.
I would do the same for the adhesive but I know they can send out 1,000 kits they will all have this issue because the Adheasive used is from defective batches that had issues with the mixing process. I mean it works...but you will never get a full cure and will have issues under the right conditions and those are relatively common. But some people may never experience this.
But all of them so far have had pretty bad olophobic coating's. One is like it had none at all. One had the coating burned "pic in the previous post" and 2 just meh. Nothing great. But that's fine because I use the leftover ceramic coating I used for my car on my screens since it's better and thicker so I usually get over a year and 1/2 before I see any decrease in preformance. But this Stull is around $400 for a small bottle for a car and after not much is left. But Walmart sells a few kits. One is a great kit and only $12. If people wanna know what kit I'll let you know. Around here only one a almao had this kit in stock. "gerogia" the rest had other brands.
I'm one of the 'lucky' ones who has had no problems whatsoever. Going on three months and still getting compliments on how nice my screen looks. It's like I don't have a screen protector on at all.
I'm completely dissapointed from Whitestone.
I have been using it for weeks and yesterday, (all of a sudden) the tempered glass started to have a small line in the left edge of the phone and it seems like it is kinda lifted.
Unfortunately, the company wont help me, because I didnt bought it from their authorised stores
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