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Are you planning to buy LG V20

so LG announced that the V20 is going to be unveiled at 6 September
the title is Play More i think it mean a bigger battery
and there is rumors that it will contain 6 Gb of ram
in my opinon V20 will be a cool phone but i will not buy for my personal reason that there is like 0 developement for The V series and many models that can't be unlocked
So let's discuss if you are planning to buy it or no and why
leaked image today from evleaks if it is true i think the V10 is better looking
new leaked image

I probably won't because I'm kinda disappointed with V10
- The Duraskin is not durable at all, my back cover is already pealed off from 8 different points.
- You make a giant phone but the battery life is mediocre
- You make a "pro" phone without bootloader/root support
- The performance is getting slower and I started to get micro stutters after few months of usage
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I probably won't because I'm kinda disappointed with V10
- The Duraskin is not durable at all, my back cover is already pealed off from 8 different points.
- You make a giant phone but the battery life is mediocre
- You make a "pro" phone without bootloader/root support
- The performance is getting slower and I started to get micro stutters after few months of usage

tersagun said:
[/COLOR]I probably won't because I'm kinda disappointed with V10
- The Duraskin is not durable at all, my back cover is already pealed off from 8 different points.
- You make a giant phone but the battery life is mediocre
- You make a "pro" phone without bootloader/root support
- The performance is getting slower and I started to get micro stutters after few months of usage
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i hope that LG will learn of their mistakes because it will be a fail after the problems that cause that the LG G5 is not success

I love my V10 and I haven't had it all that long... So it depends on what they do with it.
If they add...
4000mah battery? If it's still removable that would be seriously tempting!
Front facing speakers? More temptation!
If it's a decent improvement in any way I'm going to be very strongly considering using my jump on demand and getting it ASAP.
That's saying a lot for me because it would be the first time I ever didn't keep a phone! I came from my precious beloved Note 2 which I used from release day until last October when I got my V10.
I don't know how people just trade their phones in or sell them.... I'm a hoarder.
But I tell you.... I'm watching for any news and leaks on this thing and I'm obsessed! I hope they don't mess it up.
I gotta say one thing here though... I don't see anyone speculating on this but in the animated announcement where the script says "play more"
Am I the only one who thinks that they way they drew that out looks like someone using a phone with a.... **stylus** wrote it? Why make the point to animate the actual writing out of a word?
Anywho.... That's probably out of the question but it just strikes me that way...
I'm off to refresh my Google search page in hopes of finding new leaks or rumors!
Sent from my pretty nifty brand new LG V10

planetbeen said:
I love my V10 and I haven't had it all that long... So it depends on what they do with it.
If they add...
4000mah battery? If it's still removable that would be seriously tempting!
Front facing speakers? More temptation!
If it's a decent improvement in any way I'm going to be very strongly considering using my jump on demand and getting it ASAP.
That's saying a lot for me because it would be the first time I ever didn't keep a phone! I came from my precious beloved Note 2 which I used from release day until last October when I got my V10.
I don't know how people just trade their phones in or sell them.... I'm a hoarder.
But I tell you.... I'm watching for any news and leaks on this thing and I'm obsessed! I hope they don't mess it up.
I gotta say one thing here though... I don't see anyone speculating on this but in the animated announcement where the script says "play more"
Am I the only one who thinks that they way they drew that out looks like someone using a phone with a.... **stylus** wrote it? Why make the point to animate the actual writing out of a word?
Anywho.... That's probably out of the question but it just strikes me that way...
I'm off to refresh my Google search page in hopes of finding new leaks or rumors!
Sent from my pretty nifty brand new LG V10
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i hope it will be a good phone but a good phone with no developement and locked bootloader is sad
and in the pic i see a book that is folded a bit maybe it is a second screen that can be folded ? nobody knows

I love my V10, much more reliable than any of the Samsungs I had before, up to S5, fast, best looking, best camera, best screen, (had to tone down amoled, wrong colours), nicest launcher, Smart Launcher, etc...
If I had money to spare I could upgrade for the sake of it, but I really dont need :good:

melorib said:
I love my V10, much more reliable than any of the Samsungs I had before, up to S5, fast, best looking, best camera, best screen, (had to tone down amoled, wrong colours), nicest launcher, Smart Launcher, etc...
If I had money to spare I could upgrade for the sake of it, but I really dont need :good:
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i agree with you this phone is great and the ram managment is better than samsung and the phone have a lot of specs
but lately i can see icons shadow on my screen this is really annoying

vip57 said:
i agree with you this phone is great and the ram managment is better than samsung and the phone have a lot of specs
but lately i can see icons shadow on my screen this is really annoying
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Not on mine, maybe the painting I use as background helps, not very contrasty

Most likely going back to Nexus. Love this device.. Software not so much.

donwhall70 said:
Most likely going back to Nexus. Love this device.. Software not so much.
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I don't understand the problem with the software?
I did with Samsung Galaxy phones, needed cyanogen or other ROMs, not with the V10...
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Most likely going back to Nexus. Love this device.. Software not so much.
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I don't understand the problem with the software?
I did with Samsung Galaxy phones, needed cyanogen or other ROMs, not with the V10...

Anyone think this new fingerprint on screen is related to V20 ?
http://www.lginnotek.com/community/news_view.jsp?pageNum=1&seq=611

I was LG's fanboy ..i had lg g2 and g3 and g4 and v10 and g5 but because of the bootloader i went away from LG and bought OP2 and not thinking to go back to LG
Sent from my ONE A2003 using XDA-Developers mobile app

So why did lg remove bootloader
Based off the leak on reddit today im hoping v20 is better than note 5

Well if current info is good i will probably not upgrade. Main new features seem to be the bigger battery and much more powerful chipset inside. Both are important but not really a problem for me in V10. Battery life on my V10 is between 2 and 4 days (most of the time 2 to 3 days) and due to the quick charge i can easily charge my phone for just 1 hour and even minutes of charge give several more hours of usage. About the chipset power - well i do not play heavy games and regarding multimedia (including 4K video) and other heavy load frankly my V10 works very well. Android 6.0 together with the 4GB of ram works really well and i do not have any problems with the software. I also do not need to root my phone so bootloader issue is irrelevant for me. Camera of V10 is one of the best on the smartphone market especially the video. Sound is superb with the hifi DAC (very important for me) and i do not see how V20 will improve on that. For me at least there is no need to upgrade now and i hope to get android 7 for V10 in the autumn and keep using it for at least one more year or even more before i look for new phone.

Funny enough the Nexus 5x is manufactured by lg.
I think the software issues are the fact there hasn't been much of 3rd party development on the phone and that its been a pain to get rooted.
I would upgrade to the v20 if they allowed more customized usage of the second screen, improved battery life (amoled screen please?) and added a stylus (I think the v series would make a good stylus model and would further differentiate from its g series brother).
Otherwise I will probably upgrade to the note 7 or wait for the 8 to come out. I kind of miss the stylus from the note series.

My first real smartphone was a Galaxy S2, after that I had an HTC Butterfly which at the time was the first 5 Inch phone. Then I bought a Note 3 and now I have the V10. To be honest I am not a freak and high demanding but for me there is not so much difference between the HTC the Note 3 or this phone other then a better camera and some features like fingerprint scanner and dual screen etc. This phones integrated DAC pulled me over to buy it. I have been reading about the V20, can't find a good reason for an upgrade. Bought a second battery and a dock on ebay for under 20 Dollar so the thing what I experienced as **** has been resolved. So no!

From the videos of lg v20 on lgusa instagram.,i think the button at side of phone for camera shutter and/not for modular..may be it will have double usage

tersagun said:
I probably won't because I'm kinda disappointed with V10
- The Duraskin is not durable at all, my back cover is already pealed off from 8 different points.
- You make a giant phone but the battery life is mediocre
- You make a "pro" phone without bootloader/root support
- The performance is getting slower and I started to get micro stutters after few months of usage
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I probably won't because I'm kinda disappointed with V10
- The Duraskin is not durable at all, my back cover is already pealed off from 8 different points.
- You make a giant phone but the battery life is mediocre
- You make a "pro" phone without bootloader/root support
- The performance is getting slower and I started to get micro stutters after few months of usage
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- You make a giant phone but the battery life is mediocre
- You make a "pro" phone without bootloader/root support
- The performance is getting slower and I started to get micro stutters after few months of usage
Exactly Spot On!
Battery life was horrible enough to live with, also performance getting slower and getting micro/lag stutters (Nova Prime helps a bit). My Sony Xperia Z3 Dual SIM was already razor fast and they made even faster with last few updates. It had a slow camera which Sony fixed.
LG has the better cameras but the app launch and switching between modes is painful. I literally keep it 100% charged. Wife has an LG G4, similar slowness.
The performance slowdown was the final straw, will switch to Note 7 Dual SIM by next Jan.

Performance slowdown, do you have the same phone as me

melorib said:
Performance slowdown, do you have the same phone as me
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I have an LG V10 Dual SIM Singapore model (SEA)

Reasons not to buy an Honor 8?

I'm about to pack in my old, beloved M8, which has told me in no uncertain terms that its life is drawing to a close. I've spent way too much time researching, and arrived at the conclusion that the Honor 8 is my best fit. It's not as small as I wanted to be (I love everything about the Xperia Z5 Compact except that it cracks if you look at it funny and heats up enough to start a campfire), but the specs are there and the price is right.
The only real concerns I have left are the reports that it doesn't like to connect to LTE at times, even when there's a strong signal, and EMUI's taking away my app drawer. Are those real concerns, or just overblown? Is there anything I'm missing in terms of a reason to love or be wary of the Honor 8?
Thanks in advance. I'm seeing lots of reviews loving it, and Ars burying it because it's not a OnePlus 3, so that's reassuring.

T.J. Bender said:
I'm about to pack in my old, beloved M8, which has told me in no uncertain terms that its life is drawing to a close. I've spent way too much time researching, and arrived at the conclusion that the Honor 8 is my best fit. It's not as small as I wanted to be (I love everything about the Xperia Z5 Compact except that it cracks if you look at it funny and heats up enough to start a campfire), but the specs are there and the price is right.
The only real concerns I have left are the reports that it doesn't like to connect to LTE at times, even when there's a strong signal, and EMUI's taking away my app drawer. Are those real concerns, or just overblown? Is there anything I'm missing in terms of a reason to love or be wary of the Honor 8?
Thanks in advance. I'm seeing lots of reviews loving it, and Ars burying it because it's not a OnePlus 3, so that's reassuring.
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Haven't had any issues with lte on tmobile.
Just install a custom launcher. I put pixel launcher and works fine.
My only concern is updates and dev support

tlxxxsracer said:
Haven't had any issues with lte on tmobile.
Just install a custom launcher. I put pixel launcher and works fine.
My only concern is updates and dev support
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Does Pixel Launcher let you have an app drawer again?

Yes.

tlxxxsracer said:
Yes.
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Pretty damn sure I'm buying it then.

Hi, i think the phone is quite perfect, except for the chassis...is very easy to scratch it , and after just 7 days showed signs of wear on the rear

I'm too considering H8 but if true,this user review from gsmarena has a point(or two):
Since I had both(gave Honor 8 to my sister),if look at it straight objective...it's a no contest win for Mi5.
While the build quality is same,both are fingerprint magnets in specific colors,and looks is a highly subjective point,i can name few things Mi5 has the edge:
CPU + GPU is highly(and I mean HIGHLY) superior in Mi5 if u play games.
Screen in Mi5 is superior in everything to Honor 8 even in blacks.
Screen has Gorilla Glass4,Honor's...if it has any,manufacturers of it needs to be sued. Scratches like anything I've seen in my life from both front and rear. No keyes,no lighters,no change in pocket. It just does.
Sound is superior in Mi5 and I'm talking headphones here.
Dev support is slam dunk win for Mi5. Cyanogen mod official is coming now that kernel is released and community is more alive. XDA has signed agreement with Huaweii regarding dev of roms for H8 but devs are unwilling to work in unknown enviroment(Kirin) for now. So you're stuck with EMUI or what it's called. MIUI in Mi5 is no paradise either but at least u have options and they will be only bigger in near future.
Honor has better cam if you're a photo freak. To me,to my FB,twitter and instagram,they're the same in terms of performing.
So considering recent pricing that puts Mi5 3/64 version around 300-320$(delivery in EU,and pricing likely to go down as Mi5s announced for next week) I objectively cant see any reason to go for Honor 8.
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And it seems to me,looking that other thread with complaints bout scratches + some reviews that have mentioned it,that phone is built with cheap materials and that is,personally a deal breaker for me.

troublecro said:
I'm too considering H8 but if true,this user review from gsmarena has a point(or two):
And it seems to me,looking that other thread with complaints bout scratches + some reviews that have mentioned it,that phone is built with cheap materials and that is,personally a deal breaker for me.
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Sand also scratches Gorilla Glas 4/5, to me personaly the device doesn`t look or feel cheap and both performance and batterylife is great. What more can you ask?

People don't carry sand in their pockets dude. It's like counter argumenting that crocodiles kill humans too when someone says that motor bikes are dangerous.
And i'm having my Xperia Z3C 2 years now,carried it in Thor Steinar bag with Zippo lighter,coins and keys(I miss sand tho) for 99% time,no tempered glass no case. Not a scratch on the screen.
Excuse me If i look for a replacement with same quility of screen(and overall) protection. I don't fancy buying a good looking phone just to armor it up like I'm heading to a warzone.

What about things like battery time, has it got a removable battery so it's not a brick or DIY project after a few years, will it get Android 7, 8 and so on. That far outweighs things like having Crapple A10 speed or 4K screen res. for me, hands down. Paying $1000 and you don't even get a notification LED on some devices, geez.

For the LTE connection I didnt find any problem as I already used for 2 months already.

tlxxxsracer said:
Haven't had any issues with lte on tmobile.
Just install a custom launcher. I put pixel launcher and works fine.
My only concern is updates and dev support
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Honor US, India and UK models provides updates for minimum 2 years from the date of release. i.e you will get update till Android O for sure.
Remember that Honor 4X which released in Kitkat is now running on Marshmallow. So you will get for sure.
Regarding Dev support, Since Honor has joined hands with XDA, it will be improved hopefully.

iMaterial said:
What about things like battery time, has it got a removable battery so it's not a brick or DIY project after a few years, will it get Android 7, 8 and so on. That far outweighs things like having Crapple A10 speed or 4K screen res. for me, hands down. Paying $1000 and you don't even get a notification LED on some devices, geez.
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SOT is amazing, people are reporting 7h in average

the only downfall is the less durable screen on the back which is prominent to scratches.

I wish the back glass was as strong as the front

GPS bug and light sensor still not fixed
Current version (after last soft release) still has a very crappy light sensor and a huge GPS bug.
whenever you're indoor, GPS is reset to position 0;0, thus teleporting you in the Atlantic Ocean... and ruining every Driving app that was running at the moment.
Currently triggers in every long tunnel, 100% when indoor , randomly if your car windows are blocking GPS signals ....
I bought one , considering all the reviews (sponsored or not), but i had to sent it back.
Now back with my Z3C.

GrrXDA said:
Current version (after last soft release) still has a very crappy light sensor and a huge GPS bug.
whenever you're indoor, GPS is reset to position 0;0, thus teleporting you in the Atlantic Ocean... and ruining every Driving app that was running at the moment.
Currently triggers in every long tunnel, 100% when indoor , randomly if your car windows are blocking GPS signals ....
I bought one , considering all the reviews (sponsored or not), but i had to sent it back.
Now back with my Z3C.
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thats very disaapointing considering all the positive reviews

GrrXDA said:
Current version (after last soft release) still has a very crappy light sensor and a huge GPS bug.
whenever you're indoor, GPS is reset to position 0;0, thus teleporting you in the Atlantic Ocean... and ruining every Driving app that was running at the moment.
Currently triggers in every long tunnel, 100% when indoor , randomly if your car windows are blocking GPS signals ....
I bought one , considering all the reviews (sponsored or not), but i had to sent it back.
Now back with my Z3C.
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I dare not say it but GPS is dead on for me on Google Maps, even indoors. Auto backlighting in low light conditions is too low, have my H8 set on manual brightness in the evening. GPS faillure might very well be a hardware faillure.
See attached pic, indoors.

GrrXDA said:
Current version (after last soft release) still has a very crappy light sensor and a huge GPS bug.
whenever you're indoor, GPS is reset to position 0;0, thus teleporting you in the Atlantic Ocean... and ruining every Driving app that was running at the moment.
Currently triggers in every long tunnel, 100% when indoor , randomly if your car windows are blocking GPS signals ....
I bought one , considering all the reviews (sponsored or not), but i had to sent it back.
Now back with my Z3C.
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You received the update, right?!

PalakMi said:
You received the update, right?!
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its more likely to be a hardware problem.

Realistic options for a replacement to the Moto X Pure

So I am getting sick of the battery life of this device and charging twice a day just to get by... the QC helps but it isn't always a viable option for someone who is on the road/travels a lot. I am probably going to go back to my Moto G 2015 for the time being as I could get a full days use most of the time on a single charge and just selling my MXPE.
But now the question comes up as what to replace it with... Moto G 5th gen, Blu Pure XR, ZTE Axon 7 Mini, or ???
My requirements are simple, or so I think...
1) 4+ hours SOT, preferably 5+, in mixed signal environment of WiFi/LTE/3G and sometimes without the best signal strength (for reference, I currently get about 2.5 hours on MXPE)
2) 5.2"-5.7" screen with 1080p minimum resolution
3) Stock Android, "near" stock, or simple UI (no TouchWiz, EMUI, ZenUI, or other bloated UI) that allows easy use of replacement launcher
4) 64GB internal storage or 32GB internal+microSD
5) 3GB or more of RAM
6) Full AT&T network compatibility (GSM 850/1900 and LTE Band 2/4/5/12/17 and optionally 29/30)
7) Nougat or Marshmallow with a Nougat upgrade "guaranteed"
8) 3.5mm headphone jack
9) Dual band WiFi - 2.4 & 5Ghz
10) $300USD or less
Would be nice, but not essential...
1) Unlockable bootloader (implies root/custom recovery/ROM development community)
2) Front facing speakers
3) NFC
4) USB 3.0
Absolute no no's are Samsung, Asus, or Huawei/Honor devices.
What else fits these requirements that I am not considering?

I believe the one phone that comes to mind that would fit most of your requirements is the Axon. I took a break from the MXPE (when it flew off my roof and died a horrible death in a rain storm) and had the Axon 7 (normal size) for about a month. You will get NEAR 4 hours of SoT, a qhd screen, 5.5 inches, relatively light for metal body. Unlockable bootloader and decent dev for it, last I checked. Things that bothered me/ pissed me off were that DTTW was laggy and slow, the actual cell service seemed to be really bad, possibly because of the full metal body phone, and the biggest annoyance - no backlit capacitive buttons, so you were left sort of blind in the dark trying to hit buttons. There is also no way through the build.prop to enable the on-screen buttons to bypass the issue at night, last I checked.
LG V20 could be an option too since it has a bootloader unlock now, 3.5-4.5 hours of SoT. I think it has a bottom bezel speaker though, which is a little weird, and as always the LG software has complaints. The dev is good enough to get around that though.
I'm in the same boat as you though. I've been looking pretty hard to find a new phone and the V20 is the only one I am really considering right now.

Get the OnePlus 3T it meets all your needs I get easily 6 to 7 HR sot

datchico305 said:
Get the OnePlus 3T it meets all your needs I get easily 6 to 7 HR sot
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Would love to... tell me where I can get a new OP3T for under $300... That one is a hard stop requirement.
@xgerryx Same for LG V20 and Axon 7 (which never goes on sale, although the Mini does often), the $300 price point is a big deal

This phone has been a little disappointing. It's good, but definitely not great. It's a night and day difference from the Galaxy S3 I was using, but I wish I had held out a little longer for the SD 820 phones instead of buying in 2015.
It sounds like you've already got a pretty inclusive list for phones that are sold in the US and meet your requirements.
I just checked swappa, and if you're willing to go used, the OnePlus 3 is starting to get down towards the price point you're looking for. It has the same size battery as the MXP, and between the more efficient SoC than this godawful 808/810 generation and an FHD AMOLED I'd think you should get better screen on time out of it. It's a OnePlus so it has loads of good development, so you'll have all kinds of kernel/rom/tweaking available to really squeeze every erg out of it.

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This phone has been a little disappointing. It's good, but definitely not great. It's a night and day difference from the Galaxy S3 I was using, but I wish I had held out a little longer for the SD 820 phones instead of buying in 2015.
It sounds like you've already got a pretty inclusive list for phones that are sold in the US and meet your requirements.
I just checked swappa, and if you're willing to go used, the OnePlus 3 is starting to get down towards the price point you're looking for. It has the same size battery as the MXP, and between the more efficient SoC than this godawful 808/810 generation and an FHD AMOLED I'd think you should get better screen on time out of it. It's a OnePlus so it has loads of good development, so you'll have all kinds of kernel/rom/tweaking available to really squeeze every erg out of it.
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That actually could be an option... I will investigate further.

acejavelin said:
Would love to... tell me where I can get a new OP3T for under $300... That one is a hard stop requirement.
@xgerryx Same for LG V20 and Axon 7 (which never goes on sale, although the Mini does often), the $300 price point is a big deal
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If you happen to be SUPER interested in the V20, I have seen some go for like 310-320 on Swappa in good to mint condition. You gotta hound the seller though and keep track of it all damn day for when the price drops. Not an awesome experience but I'm waiting for the same thing myself.

xgerryx said:
If you happen to be SUPER interested in the V20, I have seen some go for like 310-320 on Swappa in good to mint condition. You gotta hound the seller though and keep track of it all damn day for when the price drops. Not an awesome experience but I'm waiting for the same thing myself.
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I'm not really interested... TBH, my experience with non-Nexus LG Android devices has been... well... lets just say less then wonderful.
Although I would have to say that the LG enV from years ago probably ranks up there as my favorite phone of all time, back when you could actually get DAYS of usage out of a cell phone on a single charge. I remember I would charge it twice a week. lol

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I'm not really interested... TBH, my experience with non-Nexus LG Android devices has been... well... lets just say less then wonderful.
Although I would have to say that the LG enV from years ago probably ranks up there as my favorite phone of all time, back when you could actually get DAYS of usage out of a cell phone on a single charge. I remember I would charge it twice a week. lol
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Yea I agree. After my terrible experience with the buggy LG G4, I'm very skeptical about going back again. At the same time I am running out of companies to try out! Haha. Gotta circle back eventually, especially on Verizon.

xgerryx said:
Yea I agree. After my terrible experience with the buggy LG G4, I'm very skeptical about going back again. At the same time I am running out of companies to try out! Haha. Gotta circle back eventually, especially on Verizon.
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NEVER AGAIN!!! I refuse to drop $140 plus taxes and fees (realistically $160) for the service level I get now for $72 per month. Plus the limitations on devices, I would have to buy at least one new phone and/or go under contract. Nope, not happening. (Can you tell I have a grudge against Verizon, lol)

I would look around swappa for a OnePlus 3 or 3t it's worth it no bugs lag free and monthly updates it's already on nougat 7.1.1 and the beta builds they offer are great as well and development is great lots of greats ROMs and kernels and unlocking bootloader will not void warranty

TBH...I think you will have a hard time meeting all of your requirements right now. The market looks pretty dismal which is very unfortunate. I personally will hold out a little longer. I'm really looking hard at what Nokia/HMD are coming up with and hoping their roadmap for US devices includes a mid range device soon. So far their line up seems decent and if they are true to their word about expedient updates for Android, and they will sell devices with unlockable bootloaders at decent prices, I'll be sold.

moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow

unitz0mbie said:
moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow
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Like @acejavelin stated, Samsung is not an option, and I agree with him. Yes they have great hardware for the most part, but a less powerful processor running vanilla, our near vanilla Android will run just as well considering the lack of heavy handed UX. I will admit the phone looks great hardware and looks wise, but I personally don't like the look and feel of Samsung TW.

unitz0mbie said:
moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow
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Sammie's are to bloated... Every Samsung devices we have ever had has been problematic... Hope you enjoy yours though but I would never spend that kind of money on a phone.

I have a moto g5 plus as well, its pretty good. It's fast and smooth. Screen and camera are good too, but obviously not as good as the X style.

Yes mxpe battery sucks. I have to charge 2-3 times a day and am not even a heavy user. I know its more than your actual budget but better wait, save a bit more and probably the price will drop also and go for a OP 3T.

i know your problem man.. but why don't you wait for a nougat update?? why not? maybe they might fix up the battery drain issue!
there are barely very less phones which have dual front facing speakers.. market has got very saturated.. all look for flagship but they just don't think that having a good speakers is also a part of flagship project!
as per my personal opinion... this phone is just the best phone ive ever used (till 2015) but in upcoming era you will see more and more features
i will recommend you to wait and not hurry up to get a phone...
if you need a pure stock surely get nexus but just wait for new nexus phone.. maybe they might consider it as a flagship and the value might be cheap??
anyways if you're just asking for all the requirements my opinion (AXON 7) not just only for dual front facing speakers but also for the processor(sd 820),storage(64gb,6gb ram) expandable ovbio (256gb)
plot twist: has hybrid sim XD
but im legit that it'll be upgraded to android 'O'
but it cost around $350
think man.. public reviews are also good
it meets all the requirements but is as costly as mxpe

Sagar_1401 said:
i know your problem man.. but why don't you wait for a nougat update?? why not? maybe they might fix up the battery drain issue!
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Nougat can't "fix" our battery issue... Radio and display panel are hardware issues and that's where 75% of all battery drain is. It isn't even issues, it's just how much power they use normally. The SD808's radios are terribly inefficient, and the display panel uses more power than some small towns. If you think Nougat is going to noticably improve active use time, your kidding yourself.
To be honest, I might just pull my old Nexus 5 out if the drawer and switch to it... The battery life can't be much worse.
The sound aspect is less important. FF speakers are nice, but as long as I can hear a YouTube video in an average room and turn the ringer up enough u don't care.
I bought the MXPE as an upgrade to my G 2015 and it was on sale for under $250, and for the most part it is, I just didn't realize how bad the battery was, it is easily half of my G.

I got Axon 7 after X and can't be happier. I've had the A7 since August. Has the front speakers i wanted, nice beautiful Samsung screen. Battery is definitely better then X. Software was buggy at the beginning but they have improved it a lot. Axon 7 has been getting a lot of updates, doesn't mean it'll continue, we were the 1st ones to receive 7.0 with the exception of Google devices, and we are the only ones so far (afaik) to receive 7.1.1 with also the exception of Google devices.
It has its flaws but i love the phone. For the money you can't beat it. It's on sale now on newegg for $330.

RAM management and other bugs

So I'm deciding between this and another phone or two. I had been concerned about the bugs people have been facing with this phone. My question is, has it all pretty much been resolved with December's update? I've read all about it on here except for any comments on actual improvement.
Other 2 phones I'm considering are the 6T and the Mi Mix 3. Yes, I know those two are much bigger, but for whatever reason don't want the 3XL.

I didn't experience the bugs that were reported, but I have noticed app switching is much better, so it appears background apps aren't being killed as they were before, which I believe was the memory management bug. What's encouraging to me is that Google has addressed and reportedly fixed the bugs so quickly. So even if some new ones show up there's a good chance they'll be fixed as well. I had a Samsung phone previously and would wait months for an update. Being first in line is as good as it gets.

I used to have the Pixel 2XL and wanted to upgrade to the 3.
I COULD NOT stand the 3 XL notch. It annoy me a lot. I also realized that the perfect size for me was the 5.5". So I bought the Pixel 3 for Black Friday. (Nomad Leather Case makes it feel so good too).
The only issues so far was Bluetooth no connecting correctly to my Honda and calls over speakerphone were bad. People was not listening me correctly.
It looks like it is fixed now with December update and I don't see anything wrong. I don't see any lag,well, maybe a little. But I think it's an Android feature since you can notice that in most phones.
If you like the pixel experience, updates, Google stuff, then this is for you.
If you want something bigger, cheaper, and less photo quality then 6T is for you.

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I used to have the Pixel 2XL and wanted to upgrade to the 3.
I COULD NOT stand the 3 XL notch. It annoy me a lot. I also realized that the perfect size for me was the 5.5". So I bought the Pixel 3 for Black Friday. (Nomad Leather Case makes it feel so good too).
The only issues so far was Bluetooth no connecting correctly to my Honda and calls over speakerphone were bad. People was not listening me correctly.
It looks like it is fixed now with December update and I don't see anything wrong. I don't see any lag,well, maybe a little. But I think it's an Android feature since you can notice that in most phones.
If you like the pixel experience, updates, Google stuff, then this is for you.
If you want something bigger, cheaper, and less photo quality then 6T is for you.
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Go in to dev settings and change Bluetooth to 1.5 or 1.6 reboot and enjoy working connections
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I had a s9 before..and the double apps from Samsung kill me..why do I need a email app if Gmail is included..why I need a calendar app (s-planer) if you can use Google calendar..why I need a Samsung photos app if Google photos is included..i could wrote forever more examples for this..now with the pixels 3 it feels so pure and homecoming..also the updates.. everyone say why Android phones had such a bad update circle for the software..I don't understand people why they buy other non Google phones ..
Just my 2 cents

carlos_polanco said:
I used to have the Pixel 2XL and wanted to upgrade to the 3.
I COULD NOT stand the 3 XL notch. It annoy me a lot. I also realized that the perfect size for me was the 5.5". So I bought the Pixel 3 for Black Friday. (Nomad Leather Case makes it feel so good too).
The only issues so far was Bluetooth no connecting correctly to my Honda and calls over speakerphone were bad. People was not listening me correctly.
It looks like it is fixed now with December update and I don't see anything wrong. I don't see any lag,well, maybe a little. But I think it's an Android feature since you can notice that in most phones.
If you like the pixel experience, updates, Google stuff, then this is for you.
If you want something bigger, cheaper, and less photo quality then 6T is for you.
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Shrinking the screen? No thanks.
The only valid notches are for the new iPhones due to Face ID.
ANDROID notches are a problem created instead of solution.
I'm happy with the pixel 3.

Thanks for the input. I'm still kind of torn. How's the real world battery life? I'd be coming from a Galaxy S8+.

Please be aware that the video and "other" capabilities on the Pixel 3 camera pale in comparison to some other phones. I love the P3, but the weak videos are frustrating to no end, especially when the photos are so incredible. Other camera capabilities are weak as well - panorama, slow motion, and a complete lack of time lapse. The P3 is probably the best (or right up there) when it comes to individual photos, especially in low light. But if you use any other camera features regularly, or video regularly, it's nowhere near the top of the pack. Because of my kiddos, probably 20-30% of my camera activity is video and goofy slow motion shots. The S9 is my other device, and I'm still within my return window on the P3. I'm on the fence b/c of these issues.
Camera aside, the P3 is an excellent experience... very smooth, solid battery life, etc. My S9 is still fast, but the P3 is just... faster. Battery life on the P3 has been comparable to the S9. I stopped obsessing over battery life a couple of years ago. As long as I'm not having to plug in before bed, I'm happy. And both phones do that for me.
And as has been stated before, if updates and "first in line" are a high priority, then the Pixel 3 is your best bet by far.

jntdroid said:
Please be aware that the video and "other" capabilities on the Pixel 3 camera pale in comparison to some other phones. I love the P3, but the weak videos are frustrating to no end, especially when the photos are so incredible. Other camera capabilities are weak as well - panorama, slow motion, and a complete lack of time lapse. The P3 is probably the best (or right up there) when it comes to individual photos, especially in low light. But if you use any other camera features regularly, or video regularly, it's nowhere near the top of the pack. Because of my kiddos, probably 20-30% of my camera activity is video and goofy slow motion shots. The S9 is my other device, and I'm still within my return window on the P3. I'm on the fence b/c of these issues.
Camera aside, the P3 is an excellent experience... very smooth, solid battery life, etc. My S9 is still fast, but the P3 is just... faster. Battery life on the P3 has been comparable to the S9. I stopped obsessing over battery life a couple of years ago. As long as I'm not having to plug in before bed, I'm happy. And both phones do that for me.
And as has been stated before, if updates and "first in line" are a high priority, then the Pixel 3 is your best bet by far.
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Thanks. Yeah, I've got my first child on the way. Having a good camera is pretty important to me. Thanks for the info on the camera quality.
I have typically kept my phones a year or less until my last phone 2 phones. Wife doesn't think I need a new one that often, especially since she still doesn't feel the need to upgrade from her iphone 6s. Having a kid coming will probably help her with that crusade. My point being, updates and future support is more important for me now than in the past. If the P3 were the same price as the OP6T or even just $100 more, i'd probably have already jumped on it.

photo processing speed vs pixel 3

The photo taking capability of the Pixels is one of the biggest features. 3a has a slower cpu and (unconfirmed?) lack of Pixel Visual Core.
Did anyone compared a reallife photo processing speed between 3 and 3a? How long the 3a takes to save a photo, in the night mode especially?

Is it just a matter of process speed or will the 3 and 3xl produce superior photos compared to the 3a series?

When I was playing with a 3a XL at Best Buy, it seemed to take 3-4 seconds to process a picture - including night mode. If I took a picture and immediately opened it in the gallery, I would see the progress circle moving to completion. I don't have access to a 3 or 3xl to compare it to, but I suspect it is near immediate processing with the pixel visual core. I should also note that the camera is available to take more pictures immediately - you don't need to wait for the image to be processed before taking another picture.
So while there is a small delay processing pictures with the 3a or 3a XL, it is neither annoyingly long, nor does it prevent normal usage of the phone/camera. Honestly it will hardly be noticeable in normal operation IMHO.
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Is it just a matter of process speed or will the 3 and 3xl produce superior photos compared to the 3a series?
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It's my understanding that it is simply a difference in processing speed. The pictures with the rear camera are identical to the 3 series.
Of course the front facing selfie camera is different from the original 3 series, so the images from the 3a front camera are slightly different (or at least harder to compare) from the original, but the photo quality is nearly identical with the front camera too.

sic0048 said:
When I was playing with a 3a XL at Best Buy, it seemed to take 3-4 seconds to process a picture - including night mode. If I took a picture and immediately opened it in the gallery, I would see the progress circle moving to completion. I don't have access to a 3 or 3xl to compare it to, but I suspect it is near immediate processing with the pixel visual core. I should also note that the camera is available to take more pictures immediately - you don't need to wait for the image to be processed before taking another picture.
So while there is a small delay processing pictures with the 3a or 3a XL, it is neither annoyingly long, nor does it prevent normal usage of the phone/camera. Honestly it will hardly be noticeable in normal operation IMHO.
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It's my understanding that it is simply a difference in processing speed. The pictures with the rear camera are identical to the 3 series.
Of course the front facing selfie camera is different from the original 3 series, so the images from the 3a front camera are slightly different (or at least harder to compare) from the original, but the photo quality is nearly identical with the front camera too.
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I did have the 3a for a few hours last week but ended up sending it back. The phone felt very cheap in my hands,camera was marginally better than my s9. All in all i felt the phone was from 2014 with a 2019 camera

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I did have the 3a for a few hours last week but ended up sending it back. The phone felt very cheap in my hands,camera was marginally better than my s9. All in all i felt the phone was from 2014 with a 2019 camera
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Really? You thought it felt cheap? I don't get that impression at all. Feels nice to me. I don't like my phone's to be made of metal and glass. Plastic feels nice.
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Really? You thought it felt cheap? I don't get that impression at all. Feels nice to me. I don't like my phone's to be made of metal and glass. Plastic feels nice.
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Let's not forget the fact that because the back isn't glass, you don't need a super bulky case to protect it.

When people say it feels cheap I respect their opinion but I personally think that it doesn't feel cheap at all, not even close. It actually feels really nice. Out of all the items that are made of plastic that I've used before, this is really good plastic. It's not low-quality plastic, this kind of plastic is beautifully smooth and you can tell it's very good quality.
I mean let's be fair here, not all plastics are created equal.
Some people put the 3a down because it doesn't have the best glass body/metal, a slower Snapdragon, no water resistance, etc.
However, If you want all those features on a brand NEW phone for $400 dollars then you live in a dreamland and need a reality check.
If you want all those features then go ahead and shell out the cash for a Pixel 3, or whatever else is in the market. It's not the 3a's fault.
The 3a is not the best phone out there, it's not trying to be. The amazing camera, screen, performance, quality, and the vanilla Google experience is great value for its price.
This phone is a very good phone for what it is. I'm personally very happy with my purchase, and I haven't been this excited about a phone in a long time.

zonedgold said:
When people say it feels cheap I respect their opinion but I personally think that it doesn't feel cheap at all, not even close. It actually feels really nice. Out of all the items that are made of plastic that I've used before, this is really good plastic. It's not low-quality plastic, this kind of plastic is beautifully smooth and you can tell it's very good quality.
I mean let's be fair here, not all plastics are created equal.
Some people put the 3a down because it doesn't have the best glass body/metal, a slower Snapdragon, no water resistance, etc.
However, If you want all those features on a brand NEW phone for $400 dollars then you live in a dreamland and need a reality check.
If you want all those features then go ahead and shell out the cash for a Pixel 3, or whatever else is in the market. It's not the 3a's fault.
The 3a is not the best phone out there, it's not trying to be. The amazing camera, screen, performance, quality, and the vanilla Google experience is great value for its price.
This phone is a very good phone for what it is. I'm personally very happy with my purchase, and I haven't been this excited about a phone in a long time.
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It wasnt so much that though, the phone looked really nice and felt light and felt nostalgic holding a phone without glass and metal. But i was buying it to replace my s9+ so I was comparing it on that in which case obviously the s9+ will win. But it seemed to me they made too many cut backs. Audio quality sounded average. I checked in call speaker and too much sound leaked out. I also had some glitches whenever i clicked battery settings the settings app would force close. Also the snapdragin 660. I get it mid range and all that. But the fact is the 660 came out mid 2018 since then weve had the 670 and the newer 2019 710. So my 2 cents were if google want to make a mid range phone in 2019, then use mid range 2019 hardware and not give people a year out of date phone already. Its £400 in the UK and $400 dollars in the US. Makes no sense. If that phone was £250-300 I would have nothing to moan about. However for 400 you can get many top ranged phones 2nd hand.
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Really? You thought it felt cheap? I don't get that impression at all. Feels nice to me. I don't like my phone's to be made of metal and glass. Plastic feels nice.
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For you too ^^^

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It wasnt so much that though, the phone looked really nice and felt light and felt nostalgic holding a phone without glass and metal. But i was buying it to replace my s9+ so I was comparing it on that in which case obviously the s9+ will win. But it seemed to me they made too many cut backs. Audio quality sounded average. I checked in call speaker and too much sound leaked out. I also had some glitches whenever i clicked battery settings the settings app would force close. Also the snapdragin 660. I get it mid range and all that. But the fact is the 660 came out mid 2018 since then weve had the 670 and the newer 2019 710. So my 2 cents were if google want to make a mid range phone in 2019, then use mid range 2019 hardware and not give people a year out of date phone already. Its £400 in the UK and $400 dollars in the US. Makes no sense. If that phone was £250-300 I would have nothing to moan about. However for 400 you can get many top ranged phones 2nd hand.
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For you too ^^^
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You do know this phone comes with a snapdragon 670, correct?
Also, people keep complaining that they want a cheaper Google phone. Them one comes out they complain that it costs too much. This would have been the case if it cost $250. It would have been, "yeah it's nice but for $250??? I would have loved to see it cost $75 with all the corners they cut."
I'm enjoying this device immensely so far. Checks a ton of boxes for me. I use it to check email, make calls and limited social media. I am not a heavy gamer. Apps load quickly, battery lasts me through almost 2 days, screen looks beautiful, I thought sound was ok out of the box but it is worlds better after installing viper.
Good luck with your s9. I'm going to sit here and enjoy my 3a.
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jmtjr278 said:
You do know this phone comes with a snapdragon 670, correct?
Also, people keep complaining that they want a cheaper Google phone. Them one comes out they complain that it costs too much. This would have been the case if it cost $250. It would have been, "yeah it's nice but for $250??? I would have loved to see it cost $75 with all the corners they cut."
I'm enjoying this device immensely so far. Checks a ton of boxes for me. I use it to check email, make calls and limited social media. I am not a heavy gamer. Apps load quickly, battery lasts me through almost 2 days, screen looks beautiful, I thought sound was ok out of the box but it is worlds better after installing viper.
Good luck with your s9. I'm going to sit here and enjoy my 3a.
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My bad 670. Oh well still a newer 710. Enjoy your phone. I may change my mind. Have to see how the development scene turns out. But with no lineage for pixel 3 or 2 series im not that optimistic.

I can say this about the processing speed, it processes night sight faster than the pixel 2xl and takes better pictures

Sturdyturdy said:
My bad 670. Oh well still a newer 710. Enjoy your phone. I may change my mind. Have to see how the development scene turns out. But with no lineage for pixel 3 or 2 series im not that optimistic.
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99% of smartphones are released with outdated chipsets. There's ALWAYS a newer one. It takes time to develop and sell a phone based on the most up-to-date chipsets, which means by release time, the next one is coming out.
Most phones have > 12mo planning phase

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99% of smartphones are released with outdated chipsets. There's ALWAYS a newer one. It takes time to develop and sell a phone based on the most up-to-date chipsets, which means by release time, the next one is coming out.
Most phones have > 12mo planning phase.
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Seriously? Grow up dude, people are allowed to not like stuff. This isn't communist XDA, people are entitled to their opinions, even if they're strong.
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Yeah thats true. Im thinking about getting it again tbh. Just gonna wait a couple months and see how development is going. The new issue about the misaligned ports. Dont think i bothered to look when I had it. See someone in here saying he was having to send back his 2nd replacement.

I prefer glass and metal but come on... 3a isn't cheap at all. It's a very beautiful phone.

nickmv said:
99% of smartphones are released with outdated chipsets. There's ALWAYS a newer one. It takes time to develop and sell a phone based on the most up-to-date chipsets, which means by release time, the next one is coming out.
Most phones have > 12mo planning phase.
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Dont worry, I actually bought the phone again last night. Now ive spent a day with it and have my case and tempered glass. I love it.

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