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Hey guys,
So here's my dilemma. I was thinking of getting a netbook for professional purposes (word, mindmapping software and possibily vintage gaming) but I've com to the conclusion that most netbooks pretty much suck hardware-wise (can't even do HD video <.<).
So I took a look at both the Transformers, and with their keyboard dock they seemed like a perfect choice, for their size and usability.
However, the vintage gaming I'm looking for (that I'm willing to throw away at this point) was only available for Windows (mostly). So being that I'm possibly opting for an Android "tablet-book" I'm still wondering this:
Are the rumors that Windows 8 will be ARM-compatible and possbily will work on the Transformer Prime? If so I might get one. If not I'll possibly go for the original transformer. But that leaves me with another question:
Except for the quad-core is the difference from the Tegra2 to the Tegra3 really steep in terms of performance?
Thanks in advance,
K.
Dont hold your breath for windows 8. The rumor says its only going to be sold pre-installed on devices, and not available for download to other devices. And since it isnt open source, porting it to other devices would be quite tricky, and also piss microsoft off.
The Prime is faster, no doubt. But is it enough to justify the price differences? I dont think so.
The tegra2 can not handle 1080p movies. The prime struggles with them as well but can play most of them.
But in whole, it sounds like a tablet wont satisfy your needs, unless you got access to a windows PC you can use through remote desktop all the time.
A tablet can not replace a laptop/pc yet. They arent ment for that. Once win8 tablets start to mature, that might change. But that might take years.
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Dont hold your breath for windows 8. The rumor says its only going to be sold pre-installed on devices, and not available for download to other devices. And since it isnt open source, porting it to other devices would be quite tricky, and also piss microsoft off.
The Prime is faster, no doubt. But is it enough to justify the price differences? I dont think so.
The tegra2 can not handle 1080p movies. The prime struggles with them as well but can play most of them.
But in whole, it sounds like a tablet wont satisfy your needs, unless you got access to a windows PC you can use through remote desktop all the time.
A tablet can not replace a laptop/pc yet. They arent ment for that. Once win8 tablets start to mature, that might change. But that might take years.
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Before anything thanks for the reply, every input is useful
The point is, I don't need it to substitute my desktop PC (I have a gaming rig, it would be impossible xD), I do need it to be able to work on documents on the go, read stuff, and browse the web like it was a netbook, but without sacrificing the abitity to watch video like I would have on a netbook.
In terms of gaming I only really need it to run all Android games flawlessly
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In terms of gaming I only really need it to run all Android games flawlessly
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That wont happen, for several reasons;
Gameloft, which has a big amount of good games, hardly supports the Transformers, forcing us to find the games by other means.
A lot of games is only coded for crappy phones with their low-res screens, making them unplayable on a tablet with a larger resolution.
If you want an android device that can play the majority of the games available, you're better of getting a high-end phone ... its a sad world we're living in...
That said, there is a lot of games available, but some takes a lot of time to find.
One example is Order & Chaos... It took me 2 weeks before I actually found a version that works on the TF101, and once gameloft decides to update the game - who knows how long it will take before it will work again.
We have a thread here that lists the gameloft games currently known to work on our TF101's. The list itself isnt updated in quite a while, but the last few pages lists some more games.
I think the Prime forum got a similar thread.
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That wont happen, for several reasons;
Gameloft, which has a big amount of good games, hardly supports the Transformers, forcing us to find the games by other means.
A lot of games is only coded for crappy phones with their low-res screens, making them unplayable on a tablet with a larger resolution.
If you want an android device that can play the majority of the games available, you're better of getting a high-end phone ... its a sad world we're living in...
That said, there is a lot of games available, but some takes a lot of time to find.
One example is Order & Chaos... It took me 2 weeks before I actually found a version that works on the TF101, and once gameloft decides to update the game - who knows how long it will take before it will work again.
We have a thread here that lists the gameloft games currently known to work on our TF101's. The list itself isnt updated in quite a while, but the last few pages lists some more games.
I think the Prime forum got a similar thread.
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Thanks for the advice again
But honestly I don't play Gameloft stuff because I hate their shanenigans of making crappy coded games that don't even work the same on two phones with the same hardware.
I'm talking more about many of the indie games that have been popping up on the Market from Osmos HD, to Avadon and Canabalt among many others.
Its a hard choice but if you want gps and great wifi the original tf is the choice.
Documents on the go no problems for me.
If you root and use custom roms and overclock the performance difference at the moment does not justify the price.
Gaming thats a hard one some might say games dont work or hd games are usually released for the prime etc etc. But for me i play ps1 n64 gameboy etc with a ps3 controller on my tf101 i also play sims freeplay and a load of other games that i got direct from the market. You may not get all games but i think the best part of say 4-5 hundred games would be enough for anyone.
The ability to hook it up to the tv and play ps1 games with opengl (makes the old graphics look way better) alone makes it worth loving my android tablet.
Also when i had to decide between netbook and android tablet the winner for me was the tf101 because i can get 18hrs battery life most netbooks i have seen are lucky to last 6.
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I can watch videos fine on my transformer (I'm not really an avid video watcher who can ONLY watch things in super super HD, seriously, 720 is really good on a screen this small). My tablet is very useful because I mostly browse, read pdfs, and take notes. Sadly, I find that I'm using the keyboard less and less, since the only time I really use it is when I have to type up reports, and latex works better with a bigger screen so I don't even use the keyboard much then..
Dear users,
ive been searching around google and xda forums for a correct answer, however most of the specific aspects of my questions are still unresolved, while i got some inputs, but i have alot of confusion.
First im an iOS user, therefore im a total noob about android tablets and hardwares.
I want a tablet powerful enough to run psx games, n64 games and most importantly TigerArcade along CPS3 games such Street Fightet Third Strike.
Im asking this because i really want a powerful android tablet that does everything that iOS does without getting an IPAD 2.
Specially i would like to take advantage of the emulators and of the flash-supported browsing experience.
So to recap i would like to know which kind of hardware i need to:
- Run psx games fullspeed (60fps) without frameskips (Ridge Racer Type 4, Tekken 3 etc etc.)
- Run TigerArcade CPS3 Games such JoJo, Street Fighter III at 60fps
- Run n64 games at decent speed
Based on what i gathered around, a tablet with Tegra 2, or a powerful (above 1,2ghz) dual core cpu should be able to run those psx/arcade games fullspeed.
My only experience with Android so far was with my dad Galaxy S 1 (should be called Captivate in usa?) and those psx games were running around 45-50 fps albeit on a single Snapdragon cpu.
I was looking toward something in the likes of Acer Iconia A100/A200 which should be both Tegra 2.
My budget doesnt really matter, but i guess around 400€ (500$).
Im looking forward to some definitive answers.
If anyone can write down some real experiences or videos i would appreciate that.
Thank you all
PS: as a disclaimer, ive took a look to the noob video (lol) and to other similar threads, but i guess mine is more specific.
Asus Transformer Prime is right now the best Android tablet for gaming, at least what I have heard. You should be able to plug in (or use Bluetooth) a controller, maybe PS3, google some more information about that. TF prime runs everything smooth but it's a bit expensive. I guess you can find the specific price in your country.
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(This was originally posted in a sub-sub-sub forum, but I don't think there was enough traffic to get any responses, so maybe it's better suited for this General section?)
I just wanted to bring up a few thoughts I've had about the upcoming OUYA console, and see what you guys think.
1. I still don't really understand how/why all of this couldn't have been handled by simply creating a GoogleTV-specific OUYA app...?
2. Besides the OUYA's dedicated game-centric market, and their custom controller, what does one really gain that is not already available in the Android ecosystem?
3. How do they plan to prevent their entire custom OS (Or their individual apps) from being ported to other Tegra-based GTV devices in the future? Or, given their outright support for hacking the device, would they even care?
4. And then there's this: Google reportedly making a Game Center for Android
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-reportedly-making-a-Game-Center-for-Android_id30026/
If one was to pair the above (hypothetical) "GTV Game Center" app with a Google-branded "Nexus Controller," wouldn't the entire OUYA become pointless? Would you prefer an app/service that is fully integrated with the entire Google ecosystem, rather than a custom version of the OS and functionality that are outside of (or weakly tied to) said ecosystem?
That said, I still plan to buy a OUYA, but only because I'm a sucker for shiny new toys -- especially of the Android variety! :laugh:
What are your thoughts? Am I "over thinking" this console? Do you think it will be made pointless by an evolution of the GTV?
I'm just looking for friendly debate, so please keep it civil...
It's $100, a lot cheaper than most phones capable of gaming. It's hackable, so rather than spending a bomb on a new phone to play the latest games, just add some more cpu/gpu for a lot cheaper. It has a controller, no more crappy touch screen controls, or spending a fortune on a PS3 controller.
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I guess my biggest issue with it is that they're leaving out the GTV capabilities. That just doesn't make any sense to me at all.
If the Vizio Costar switches to a Tegra3, they could simply add an "Ouya Game Center" app, and be done... in that single move, they'd make the entire Ouya console obsolete.
i feel like i'm the only person afraid of kickstarter. but, i think this thing will really only appeal to people that don't want to invest in sony or microsoft's new consoles.
I'm just waiting to see what Sony and Microsoft are going to bring to the table, hopefully we will see an Android LIKE experience with their next gen console's.
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I plan on buying this regardless in addition to the next MS console.
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They openly support hacking the console so any gtv apps/services they don't natively support we can always add in later. As for porting their OS it could be possible and I think they would care but honestly it would be a completely different experience compared to the console. For instance a tablet with the ported OS and bluetooth controller would be similar but possibly just not up to spec causing slow response time or crashing/freezing. it seems cool though and I'm all for it, especially since I saw it a while ago on Hackaday (that's how I heard about it).
Google TV's half-hearted Android port is too restrictive for me.
Lost faith in Sony after PS3 Linux fiasco, and BMG CD Malware Scandal. Microsoft Surface with Windows RT's "Secure Boot" is also too restrictive for me.
Lenovo's LeTV has full Android port and comes with game controller(s).
...So for me, it comes down to $1000 LeTV vs $99 OUYA ...until Google Game Center becomes available on tablets.
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They openly support hacking the console so any gtv apps/services they don't natively support we can always add in later. As for porting their OS it could be possible and I think they would care but honestly it would be a completely different experience compared to the console. For instance a tablet with the ported OS and bluetooth controller would be similar but possibly just not up to spec causing slow response time or crashing/freezing. it seems cool though and I'm all for it, especially since I saw it a while ago on Hackaday (that's how I heard about it).
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The problem with hacking the GTV apps and functionality onto the Ouya is that they're not including the HDMI input that is required for actual GTV functionality. If they just added that one port, I think it would make a lot more sense, and it would have that much more potential...
Well again they support total hacking of the system so my guess is that someone will get it up and working with an HDMI port. Honestly my bet would be less than 2 weeks after release it'll either be posted here or on hackaday or both (here because it's an android console, hackaday because it's a hardware hack) so we'll really just have to wait and see but it's not out of the realm of possibilities.
its a waste of time the ouya, if i want a console id rather use the ps3 or xbox 360, and if i want android gaming, id rather game on the tube or train or bus on the way to work/home/whatever to pass the time with on my gs3 or one x,
it's a nice idea, but it will never compete with the 'big boys', android games just can't compare
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xd8 said:
it's a nice idea, but it will never compete with the 'big boys', android games just can't compare
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yeh they suck compared to the big boys, what a daft idea,
when portable devices can get real computing architecture (not arm, arm sucks) and decent battery life along with support for dx11+ style graphics, anti aliasiing, etc,. then this would be a big deal, right now, its just a waste of space
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yeh they suck compared to the big boys, what a daft idea,
when portable devices can get real computing architecture (not arm, arm sucks) and decent battery life along with support for dx11+ style graphics, anti aliasiing, etc,. then this would be a big deal, right now, its just a waste of space
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I'd like to see what the Ouya would be like with the new intel mobile processors, and yes.......... an HDMI port.
I'm not going to say the current Ouya will be a total bust, the funding says I'm not alone in that thought. I do see this taking over as the kids video game system, all those silly games kids download on their parents phones from the play store...for $100. Pretty decent.
The Xbox 720 and the PS4 will still be the dominant consoles though.......... it would be nice if Ouya's presence made them lower the future pricing; the slim PS3 coming out is rumored at $150.
I have a theory on what Google now plans to do with the Nexus Q: add their own Google Game Center app and release the Q as a Ouya alternative. Hell, they may even include OnLive and/or GoogleTV capabilities (if they add a second HDMI port).
Since it's a Nexus device, it would probably be even more hacker-friendly than the Ouya...
One can dream, right?
Hey guys, ive just received brand new Asus memo pad as a Christmas present! The thing is I had my Samsung galaxy s3 for quite some time and I really enjoyed it but since both of these systems are operating on android, I cannot seem but feel like I got something that I already have... I know the screen is bigger and it has a lilac more RAM and not to mention Quad core processor! Even my 3 year old laptop has dual core and I have no idea where the heck in the tablet you can use such a processor...
So my question is... is there any awesome stuff that I could use my tablet for, which I cannot use my phone with? And perhaps would it be possible to use some kind of software to boost my laptop's processor when connected to tablet??
imenex1 said:
Hey guys, ive just received brand new Asus memo pad as a Christmas present! The thing is I had my Samsung galaxy s3 for quite some time and I really enjoyed it but since both of these systems are operating on android, I cannot seem but feel like I got something that I already have... I know the screen is bigger and it has a lilac more RAM and not to mention Quad core processor! Even my 3 year old laptop has dual core and I have no idea where the heck in the tablet you can use such a processor...
So my question is... is there any awesome stuff that I could use my tablet for, which I cannot use my phone with?
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Well basically you can enjoy playing games and watch videos even more on a tablet than on a phone.. And those apps that are optimized for Tablets only will take up your entire screen and make use of that by using it to display more texts and information.. And also there are some apps that are for Tablets only - so you can use them too.. And I think that's pretty much it..
imenex1 said:
And perhaps would it be possible to use some kind of software to boost my laptop's processor when connected to tablet??
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I don't really think that's possible...
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Well basically you can enjoy playing games and watch videos even more on a tablet than on a phone.. And those apps that are optimized for Tablets only will take up your entire screen and make use of that by using it to display more texts and information.. And also there are some apps that are for Tablets only - so you can use them too.. And I think that's pretty much it
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Thanks for the reply, since you've mentioned that there are some appsnthat can only run on tablets, I was wondering could you actually name a few?
list of good tablet specific apps
as far as i get your query it is in relation to the abilities of a tablet as compared to a phone
a phone can do anything your tablet can do...but a tablet cant do the same
but.....
1. it has got a bigger screen size so better multimedia experience
2. in my experience a phone screen no matter how big (read less than 6 inches) always feels a bit cramped even when compared to a tablet with a 7 inch screen
3. you've got some great apps out there that look and feel better on tablets than phones
eg. office suite, netflix, kingsoft office, trulia
you wanted to know something you can do with a quad core processor
try these on a quad core and a dual core. you'll get to know the difference pretty fast-
mass effect, modern combat, real football, the dark knight, browsing the internet, watching shows and movies online etc etc
there's a lot to do on tablets
carry one to conferences. believe me it is better to use a tab in a conference than a phone
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TARUN SIDHARTH said:
you wanted to know something you can do with a quad core processor
try these on a quad core and a dual core. you'll get to know the difference pretty fast-
mass effect, modern combat, real football, the dark knight, browsing the internet, watching shows and movies online etc etc
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All these things you've mentioned are PC GAMES... I don't have a quad core PC even tho I wish, what I want to know is what the heck can I do with quad core ON THE TABLET!
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All these things you've mentioned are PC GAMES... I don't have a quad core PC even tho I wish, what I want to know is what the heck can I do with quad core ON THE TABLET!
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Dude, I don't mean to sound rude or anything but go search Google play for these apps... They are available on Android phones and tablets but I find the experience much better on tablets than phones.. That's what I've been trying to tell you
Not just these you'll find many more apps and great games on Google play just like these with great gaming experience and awesome graphics!!!
I tried...
TARUN SIDHARTH said:
Dude, I don't mean to sound rude or anything but go search Google play for these apps... They are available on Android phones and tablets but I find the experience much better on tablets than phones.. That's what I've been trying to tell you
Not just these you'll find many more apps and great games on Google play just like these with great gaming experience and awesome graphics!!!
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I have tried but all of these apps are not found on the google play store...
hmmmm...strange
it may be an issue of compatibility. go to www.play.google.com log in there and find these kinda apps. go to the install option, if these apps are compatible with your device you'll be able to send a link to the device. if not, then you can always find an apk here and there and then install them
but remember to pay for them, RESPECT DEVELOPERS ALWAYS
by the way, here and there refers to other app store for eg the amazon app store
good luck with the app hunting
Tarun
if you can boost your laptop's performance with your tablet, then you should join Microsoft or intel, that should be some parallel computing technology enjoy you tablet with some fantastic games, i guess
Hey everyone !!!!!!! Do you know any PS4 emulator for android. I searched on Play Store and got one but it has bad reviews. I searched on Google and got some apps but who knows if they work or are safe. Please provide me an apk if you know one which works and is safe.
THANK YOU !!!!!!!
Hi Arc,
I strictly doubt that any ARM based processor (except for the M1 by Apple) is capable of emulating PS4 in real time performance.
Therefore, there are no good apps for this, and if there are - you will likely have severe performance issues.
Most PS4 based operations are done with the help of a x86-64 architecture, which you mainly find in desktop-grade CPU's.
Which phone do you have?
Picture below is gotten from pinterest.com and reflects the specifications of the PS4.
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Hi Arc,
I strictly doubt that any ARM based processor (except for the M1 by Apple) is capable of emulating PS4 in real time performance.
Therefore, there are no good apps for this, and if there are - you will likely have severe performance issues.
Most PS4 based operations are done with the help of a x86-64 architecture, which you mainly find in desktop-grade CPU's.
Which phone do you have?
Picture below is gotten from pinterest.com and reflects the specifications of the PS4.
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None of the specs match to my phone (Lenovo Tab 3 10 plus) so no chance. Anyway thank you for reply !!!!