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I know its so painfully obvious, but has anyone actually tried to contact samsung to get the development resources we need? Drivers and the such.
Beyond a doubt they left this phone to sink a long time ago, but the sidekick community is die-hard and all we want is the phone we thought we were getting. And we can have that phone, with no added work by Sasung - we have the devs and the will! We only need the way.
It would not be too difficult to draft a polite but demanding business letter/ petition and have all of us send it in. Shoot, if we got the story to the XDA mods we could probably get support site-wide for "dedicated sidekick/android enthusiasts want freedom for their phone - device never allowed upgrade from froyo". You guys might see this as stretching it, but a majority of people on XDA have samsung devices and would hate to see their own development halted by the company.
Strength in numbers. Not to mention, this kind of outcry would show samsung that the sidekick (keyboard devices) are still sought after and will be fought for. Somewhere in our petition should say the resources are just to hold us over until they release the next model which will NOT get treated like the red-headed stepchild the 4G did.
You'd be surprised what a small, vocal group can get done. If anyone has any background on this type of thing, say so. if nobody else steps up I will write it tuesday-Thursday and post it for any revisions, then we can each take a copy and send it. Even a simple facebook page or cheap website would add so much to this cause.
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Tsloble said:
I know its so painfully obvious, but has anyone actually tried to contact samsung to get the development resources we need? Drivers and the such.
Beyond a doubt they left this phone to sink a long time ago, but the sidekick community is die-hard and all we want is the phone we thought we were getting. And we can have that phone, with no added work by Sasung - we have the devs and the will! We only need the way.
It would not be too difficult to draft a polite but demanding business letter/ petition and have all of us send it in. Shoot, if we got the story to the XDA mods we could probably get support site-wide for "dedicated sidekick/android enthusiasts want freedom for their phone - device never allowed upgrade from froyo". You guys might see this as stretching it, but a majority of people on XDA have samsung devices and would hate to see their own development halted by the company.
Strength in numbers. Not to mention, this kind of outcry would show samsung that the sidekick (keyboard devices) are still sought after and will be fought for. Somewhere in our petition should say the resources are just to hold us over until they release the next model which will NOT get treated like the red-headed stepchild the 4G did.
You'd be surprised what a small, vocal group can get done. If anyone has any background on this type of thing, say so. if nobody else steps up I will write it tuesday-Thursday and post it for any revisions, then we can each take a copy and send it. Even a simple facebook page or cheap website would add so much to this cause.
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I'm for it. I think it's a great idea to sign a petition requesting to Samsung at least a test build of Gingerbread. :good:
Agreed broda's we have to do this.:thumbup:
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I like the idea! I'm not a dev so I wouldn't be able to write the letter, but I can help edit.
I will write up a draft tomorrow after my studies, leaving the appropriate "technical" spots easily editable so that we can get exactly what we need from Samsung per the Devs instruction.
Thank you guys for your support on this, I truly believe good can come of this!
Maybe we can direct them to our sidekick wishlist thread while we're at it ;D
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I would definitely help to, but English is not my main language. So i would try to help with the petition!
If samsung releases the driver source code I can make a stable CM6 and a BETA CM7 for this community. Butttttttt.....I don't see it happening.
Im up for it, count me in. Sure never doubt the power and determination of an online community especially an open source one like xda
I doubt anything would happen for sk4g. We did similar things in the sgs4g community. Samsung is more like honey badger...
Of course we should try, but i'm not sure that Samsung will help us after 2 years of doing nothing....
I'll post it up within the half hour - this week was busier than expected. And unless Samsung completely destroyed everything relating to our device, it should be as simple as a developers release right?
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Tsloble said:
I'll post it up within the half hour - this week was busier than expected. And unless Samsung completely destroyed everything relating to our device, it should be as simple as a developers release right?
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Here is draft one. Feel free to download the doc and make adjustments. Let's just be sure that the majority of our community agree on the final product and then we can take action. I will be sending out the story to Gizmodo/Engadget and stuff too... If this isn't an underdog tech story I don't know what is. You guys might think that's over the top, but it's just not right for a company to abandon their customer and it is never too late to make amends.
To Whom It May Concern:
This is a formal petition regarding the Samsung SGH-T839 device (T-Mobile Sidekick 4G).
We, the loyal consumers (and other), request through this petition that you kindly release development information & resources regarding the SGH-T839. This request is being made due to the absolute lack of support and development for this device since its launch April 20th, 2011. Please note that this device shipped with Android Operating System (Android from this point) Version 2.2 “Froyo” which was released May 20th, 2010. This is despite the fact that the SGH-T839 launch date was over four months after the release of Android Version 2.3 “Gingerbread” (released December 6th, 2010).
Not only was the device shipped with an outdated operating system, but a Kies / Over the Air Update to Gingerbread was never released. This came as a shock to all loyal consumers of the SGH-T839 as Samsung continued to update other devices to the new Android version and release new devices with Gingerbread already installed. In addition to the lack of support, the SGH-T839 had many bugs such as a keystroke logger within the system, the keyboard software missed keystrokes, and frequent Force-Close of applications.
These problems, amongst others, have been thoroughly logged by the XDA Developers Community (www.xda-developers.com). Amazingly, there is a large community of SGH-T839 users that are dedicated to the device and have managed to correct many of the software-related defects that were shipped with the device. This petition requests that Samsung release the following development items to the XDA Development Community, that the loyal consumer of their product may be able to enjoy everything that the SGH-T839 is capable of:
We urge you not to overlook this petition, as it is being circulated amongst several online communities that are dedicated to the Android Open Source Project for support. The influence of these communities over Samsung’s broader handheld-device customer base runs very deep; the XDA Developers Community alone has over 4.7 million registered users. We, the loyal consumer (and other), anticipate a prompt response to this matter. We also look forward to increased involvement from Samsung pertaining to the Android Open Source Project and hopefully a future device with similar form-factor of the SGH-T839.
Sincerely,
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Tsloble said:
Here is draft one. Feel free to download the doc and make adjustments. Let's just be sure that the majority of our community agree on the final product and then we can take action. I will be sending out the story to Gizmodo/Engadget and stuff too... If this isn't an underdog tech story I don't know what is. You guys might think that's over the top, but it's just not right for a company to abandon their customer and it is never too late to make amends.
To Whom It May Concern:
This is a formal petition regarding the Samsung SGH-T839 device (T-Mobile Sidekick 4G).
We, the loyal consumers (and other), request through this petition that you kindly release development information & resources regarding the SGH-T839. This request is being made due to the absolute lack of support and development for this device since its launch April 20th, 2011. Please note that this device shipped with Android Operating System (Android from this point) Version 2.2 “Froyo” which was released May 20th, 2010. This is despite the fact that the SGH-T839 launch date was over four months after the release of Android Version 2.3 “Gingerbread” (released December 6th, 2010).
Not only was the device shipped with an outdated operating system, but a Kies / Over the Air Update to Gingerbread was never released. This came as a shock to all loyal consumers of the SGH-T839 as Samsung continued to update other devices to the new Android version and release new devices with Gingerbread already installed. In addition to the lack of support, the SGH-T839 had many bugs such as a keystroke logger within the system, the keyboard software missed keystrokes, and frequent Force-Close of applications.
These problems, amongst others, have been thoroughly logged by the XDA Developers Community (www.xda-developers.com). Amazingly, there is a large community of SGH-T839 users that are dedicated to the device and have managed to correct many of the software-related defects that were shipped with the device. This petition requests that Samsung release the following development items to the XDA Development Community, that the loyal consumer of their product may be able to enjoy everything that the SGH-T839 is capable of:
We urge you not to overlook this petition, as it is being circulated amongst several online communities that are dedicated to the Android Open Source Project for support. The influence of these communities over Samsung’s broader handheld-device customer base runs very deep; the XDA Developers Community alone has over 4.7 million registered users. We, the loyal consumer (and other), anticipate a prompt response to this matter. We also look forward to increased involvement from Samsung pertaining to the Android Open Source Project and hopefully a future device with similar form-factor of the SGH-T839.
Sincerely,
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I think we should ask for the release source for devoleping
I do not believe any of the official ROMs had the keystroke print statements enabled... someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm not sure if I understand what you are asking Samsung for. Any partially complete work toward GB they might have laying around? Not to curse our chances, but I think they are not likely to release source for proprietary drivers.
Be very clear about what you're asking for. They might seriously consider one such request, if it is well reasoned, and within their power to grant.
One other thing to consider is sending this petition to T-Mobile as well. They can exert considerably more pressure on Samsung.
I left the "specific request" blank. It goes at the end of the 2nd to last paragraph after the colon. That's why it looks like I didn't ask for anything. If someone with the knowledge wants to give that list, it can be added and the other revisions can be made.
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Good first draft. Keep in mind your audience, though. We're unlikely to get Samsung to help us by insulting them. For example, "due to the absolute lack of support and development for this device" should be replaced with a different reason. You attract more flies with honey than vinegar. Maybe something about how the device has great potential, especially with the physical keyboard, but has been limited by its operating system. Speaking of keyboards, didn't pretty much all or most ROMs at the time come with the so-called key-logger? Also, keep in mind that Samsung and T-Mobile have no interest in supporting the Sidekick because they don't make any more money off it. They make money by getting people to upgrade to new phones. So whatever we ask them has to be easy for them, like just releasing to developers whatever they have lying around that isn't proprietary. Lastly, it's a bit misleading to say there are X million XDA members. The vast majority of them couldn't care less about the SK; I'm sure the SK community is rather small. Maybe highlight this fact: there are a few of us developers who love the SK as a development machine but our hands are tied because we don't have the code, etc. etc.
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Good first draft. Keep in mind your audience, though. We're unlikely to get Samsung to help us by insulting them. For example, "due to the absolute lack of support and development for this device" should be replaced with a different reason. You attract more flies with honey than vinegar. Maybe something about how the device has great potential, especially with the physical keyboard, but has been limited by its operating system. Speaking of keyboards, didn't pretty much all or most ROMs at the time come with the so-called key-logger? Also, keep in mind that Samsung and T-Mobile have no interest in supporting the Sidekick because they don't make any more money off it. They make money by getting people to upgrade to new phones. So whatever we ask them has to be easy for them, like just releasing to developers whatever they have lying around that isn't proprietary. Lastly, it's a bit misleading to say there are X million XDA members. The vast majority of them couldn't care less about the SK; I'm sure the SK community is rather small. Maybe highlight this fact: there are a few of us developers who love the SK as a development machine but our hands are tied because we don't have the code, etc. etc.
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Totally agree with this.
T-Mobile knows that they have everything because of loyal customers, not to mention how many of the hundreds of thousands of people who owned Sidekicks. Samsung understands this which is obviously why they decided to pick up the device two years ago.
Play this to our advantage. Tug on their heartstrings, so to speak.
Yeah, I agree. Haha I guess this letter wasn't the place to let my frustrations out ;P
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Translation if exact:
Hi everyone is
concerned about the recent part of rice noodles care about the red rice phone 4 high version with Android 7.0, this proposal we have noticed very early, and the internal communication and coordination. The latest conclusion is that the red rice cell phone 4 version with no adaptation of Android 7.0 plan. Here's a detailed description of the situation with you.
Some people say that the underlying Android is not a very simple matter? In actual fact, each time the end-of-package version upgrade is a huge project, which involves various aspects of adaptation, adjustment, etc., the actual work is very complicated. Each Android version update, we will seriously evaluate, not to simply upgrade the Android version number and adaptation. In fact, many of MIUI system features experience even earlier than the Android version, such as rights management, wake up power-saving features such as MIUI is the first. We very much hope that through the MIUI system upgrade to bring you more fun and easy to use features.
After engineers, product managers and project management departments negotiate a number of comprehensive assessment and decision, red rice cell phone 4 high version with no current Android 7.x adaptation plan. But for everyone concerned about the split screen, portal, information assistant function, as well as MIUI 9 stable version of the release plan has some new progress, and here to share with you.
Split screen:
split screen team engineers are currently actively adapted based on Android 6.x models, is expected to go online in early January to 6.x trial version of the model to be tested until the test is completed, it will go online to the development version And follow-up stable version.
Portal:
Currently supports Android 5.x and above models.
Information Assistant:
Currently supports Android 5.x and above models, Android 4.4 version of the model support does not include "My expenses", "My Favorites" two cards other information assistant function.
MIUI 9 stable version:
Red rice cell phone 4 standard / high version of the MIUI 9 stable version has been tested in-house, is expected in mid-to-late open part of the rice for closed beta, to be tested after the push update to everyone upgrade, will push to upgrade, please everyone rest assured.
MIUI is committed to providing you with a better system experience. For the Android underlay, we also make a comprehensive evaluation based on the characteristics of different models to determine the fit plan. Thank you for your love of millet and MIUI team work understanding, and sometimes, do not say do not mean do not do, we must do a good job, this is MIUI
If you have a better idea, please leave a message with us Exchange ~
Source:
http://www.miui.com/thread-11634030-1-1.html
I guess its time to flush this mobile in toilet.
It was a nice sad story with Xiaomi and i wish this company will learn about valuable customers.
I still have faith in Xiaomi if they changed themselves.
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That was expected.But still noone gives a valid explanation why same hardwarre, different screen size phone will get android 7 and not RN4 prime.The whole situation is a joke.
kardinal969 said:
I guess its time to flush this mobile in toilet.
It was a nice sad story with Xiaomi and i wish this company will learn about valuable customers.
I still have faith in Xiaomi if they changed themselves.
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You can donate it to unterwelt instead of flushing it into toilet, that will help us to get oreo faster
T3sla said:
That was expected.But still noone gives a valid explanation why same hardwarre, different screen size phone will get android 7 and not RN4 prime.The whole situation is a joke.
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One possible explanation is that probably markw isn't actually a xiaomi's in-house product and they dumping it because ODM is failing to/not interested in/refusing to provide xiaomi with updated kernel/blobs. "It's too complex" explanation is too childish to be heard from technology corporation.
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One possible explanation is that probably markw isn't actually a xiaomi's in-house product and they dumping it because ODM is failing to/not interested in/refusing to provide xiaomi with updated kernel/blobs. "It's too complex" explanation is too childish to be heard from technology corporation.
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Not only childish but insulting too.You can't dump a phone you sell as prime/pro and people paid signifficant more money not only for better hardware but better support too.After mi2s and R4P i think i'm done with xiaomi.On top of that, it seems the new Redmi's have smaller batteries so i can't find a good reason to trust xiaomi for my next phone.
T3sla said:
Not only childish but insulting too.You can't dump a phone you sell as prime/pro and people paid signifficant more money not only for better hardware but better support too.After mi2s and R4P i think i'm done with xiaomi.On top of that, it seems the new Redmi's have smaller batteries so i can't find a good reason to trust xiaomi for my next phone.
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Yeah, their updated product line is pure disappointment. Bigger screens, smaller batteries, same SoCs. Meh.
Lets wait for their golden boy product, Redmi Note 5 that speculated to use snapdragon 636.
here is a post from en.miui.com: http://en.miui.com/thread-1001529-1-1.html
dels07 said:
Lets wait for their golden boy product, Redmi Note 5 that speculated to use snapdragon 636.
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Are they going to replace our markws with this at no price and will take legal obligations to provide base system updates for at least two major versions? No? Then thanks, but no, thanks. Personally, I'll keep using mine till noticeable battery degradation. Then I'll switch to other vendor.
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Lets wait for their golden boy product, Redmi Note 5 that speculated to use snapdragon 636.
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Yeah 636, the new holy grail for two more years i guess.So basically 10-15% performance bump, unknown support policy, significant smaller battery and no medium size screen.Oh right...maybe they'll make a prime version with sd 660, after 6-8 months of the first R5 release, wich will come with android 7 and stay with 7 just a few months before the R6 release.Nope...
kibuuka said:
Are they going to replace our markws with this at no price and will take legal obligations to provide base system updates for at least two major versions? No? Then thanks, but no, thanks. Personally, I'll keep using mine till noticeable battery degradation. Then I'll switch to other vendor.
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That is exactly my plan too.
There is a petition for Redmi 4 Prime.
If you want you can help us with it (or just try)
https://www.change.org/p/xiaomi-mas...ium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive
N1ck474 said:
There is a petition for Redmi 4 Prime.
If you want you can help us with it (or just try)
https://www.change.org/p/xiaomi-mas...ium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive
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Xiaomi constantly ignores requests on their own forum, what makes you think this petition would be noticed? I would rather suggest mass recruitment requests for beta-testing Oreo (who needs Nougat, anyway?) in a (very little) hope these requests are processed by officials (unlike forum requests that are moderated by usual users, mods there aren't xiaomi employees, afaik) and there will be some kind of output.
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Xiaomi constantly ignores requests on their own forum, what makes you think this petition would be noticed? I would rather suggest mass recruitment requests for beta-testing Oreo (who needs Nougat, anyway?) in a (very little) hope these requests are processed by officials (unlike forum requests that are moderated by usual users, mods there aren't xiaomi employees, afaik) and there will be some kind of output.
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I haven't created this petition, it's just a try from MIUI Forum, if you want you can help, if you don't it's ok, i've just shared the link.
N1ck474 said:
I haven't created this petition, it's just a try from MIUI Forum, if you want you can help, if you don't it's ok, i've just shared the link.
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I know where it originates from. Also, I signed it, though I think it's not going to work. Peace.
@N1ck474 not going to work dude :| History shows they don't give a damn about petitions.I signed though...
T3sla said:
@N1ck474 not going to work dude :| History shows they don't give a damn about petitions.I signed though...
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I know, but we don't lose anything so...why not?
Sort of official statement (provided by one of xiaomi forum's supermods) related to thread subject. In short words - maybe later. Not this time.
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Sort of official statement (provided by one of xiaomi forum's supermods) related to thread subject. In short words - maybe later. Not this time.
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Haha... complex issues in compatibility??? Guys are a joke, they even erase a message from brigudav.There is not going to be a "later" for sure.
redmi 5 plus vs redmi 4 prime = same spec. = Nougat 7.1 vs MM 6
xiaomi and the magic miui, sorry but you finished for me.
Just picked up my new Honor 6x(BLN-L24) from Best Buy because I'm tired of only having 2GB RAM on my Honor 5x. Unfortunately I didn't come here before ordering because if I had I would have noticed only a fraction of dev support compared to what is available for the 5x, and I would have not purchased the 6x.
Anyway, I tried flashing HassanMirza01's LineageOS 14.1 but after letting it sit 3 times on animated boot logo screen for over 30 minutes each time I wiped everything and read through the rest of the ROMs in the dev section. Either the ROMs have currently reported install problems, or in the case of all Meticulus ROMs the download links are gone. None seem to be working correctly or near stable for daily use unless I'm missing something here.
At this point I'm following the dload method to go back to latest stock and honestly thinking about just returning the phone to Best Buy. It's quite disappointing seeing such a small amount of support for it. Is that because there is something wrong or difficult with this phone when it comes to development?
The weak development is because Huawei/Honor hasn't released source code yet (I guess, but I've seen a link for my BLL-L23 source code some time ago).
A thing I don't like about H6X devs is that lately they have (strangely) "spammed" their ports from other Huawei devices, maybe without improving the ported codes. I mean, about 6 ROMs in just a few days, with the same ported S.C... That's suspicious
But, since I'm not a dev (sad reaction only) I can't judge their work without considering all the variables involved into their work.
I guess all this happened because of the unreleased S.C, but I'm confident this has a near end.
Cheers to all devs btw, ur work is really appreciated
I can't even return to stock. I tried the dload method, and then I tried the full return to stock where I fastboot flash boot/recovery/system and then dload the update.app. Keeps saying Software install failed! on the part where I do vol+/vol-/pwr and try the dload flash of update.app.
Have I completely bricked this phone?
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Just picked up my new Honor 6x(BLN-L24) from Best Buy because I'm tired of only having 2GB RAM on my Honor 5x. Unfortunately I didn't come here before ordering because if I had I would have noticed only a fraction of dev support compared to what is available for the 5x, and I would have not purchased the 6x.
Anyway, I tried flashing HassanMirza01's LineageOS 14.1 but after letting it sit 3 times on animated boot logo screen for over 30 minutes each time I wiped everything and read through the rest of the ROMs in the dev section. Either the ROMs have currently reported install problems, or in the case of all Meticulus ROMs the download links are gone. None seem to be working correctly or near stable for daily use unless I'm missing something here.
At this point I'm following the dload method to go back to latest stock and honestly thinking about just returning the phone to Best Buy. It's quite disappointing seeing such a small amount of support for it. Is that because there is something wrong or difficult with this phone when it comes to development?
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You live in Missouri? :laugh: The Honor 5x is a Qualcom Snapdragon device and that chipset has plenty of official support from LineageOS. The Honor 6x is a Kirin 655 device and has absolutely NO official support what soever. You asked if there is "something wrong or difficult with this phone when it comes to development". Yes there is and for the same reason that it will NEVER had any official support from custom ROMs like Lineage: no source code.
So, if you bought your Honor 6x with expectation that your "custom rom experience" would be the same as your 5x, I'm afraid that you probably made a mistake.
As for "Where are the download links?". I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say that, if you can not find them, then it's probably for the best. :laugh:
Huawei/Honor should do something related to Kirrin processor, considering their massive advertisements on XDA- they're not caring any development
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Huawei/Honor should do something related to Kirrin processor, considering their massive advertisements on XDA- they're not caring any development
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I do not know the 'deal' that Huawei/Honor has with XDA but it seems likely to me that Huawei/Honor pays XDA to help make Huawei/Honor devices more popular by sponsoring Honor branded contests and giving away phones to 'openkirin'. I can not say for certain but I don't think that Huawei/Honor cares about 'custom ROM' development at all. It is just a vehicle, by which, XDA can make Huawei/Honor devices more popular, help increase sales and help them build their brand.
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The weak development is because Huawei/Honor hasn't released source code yet (I guess, but I've seen a link for my BLL-L23 source code some time ago).
A thing I don't like about H6X devs is that lately they have (strangely) "spammed" their ports from other Huawei devices, maybe without improving the ported codes. I mean, about 6 ROMs in just a few days, with the same ported S.C... That's suspicious
But, since I'm not a dev (sad reaction only) I can't judge their work without considering all the variables involved into their work.
I guess all this happened because of the unreleased S.C, but I'm confident this has a near end.
Cheers to all devs btw, ur work is really appreciated
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These ROMs came about because I decided to bring up my code base to operate on EMUI 5. While I was doing that I noticed the way Huawei does things in an abstract way so that the same code base can be used to build ROMs for many devices. I decided to do things in a similar way. In doing so, other quickly found out that this ROM runs on all hi6250 devices. However it is true that I do not own an Honor 6x and where this device differs from the devices that I do own, you come in. If you help me help you I might be able to fix issues. If not, well ... the choice is yours ...
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I do not know the 'deal' that Huawei/Honor has with XDA but it seems likely to me that Huawei/Honor pays XDA to help make Huawei/Honor devices more popular by sponsoring Honor branded contests and giving away phones to 'openkirin'. I can not say for certain but I don't think that Huawei/Honor cares about 'custom ROM' development at all. It is just a vehicle, by which, XDA can make Huawei/Honor devices more popular, help increase sales and help them build their brand.
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Yeah absolutely- thats d strategy
But for any device to appeal for XDA public - it should have impressive development or promising atmosphere(releasing sources,support etc)
Advertisements on XDA gonna do more harm than good if they have nill dev support as every user who purchases phone seeing ad on XDA hoping good development like OP would badly be disappointed and it hurts brand value indirectly. Basically majority phones which get advertised on XDA has excellent dev support already like One plus. Huawei is missing this point.
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These ROMs came about because I decided to bring up my code base to operate on EMUI 5. While I was doing that I noticed the way Huawei does things in an abstract way so that the same code base can be used to build ROMs for many devices. I decided to do things in a similar way. In doing so, other quickly found out that this ROM runs on all hi6250 devices. However it is true that I do not own an Honor 6x and where this device differs from the devices that I do own, you come in. If you help me help you I might be able to fix issues. If not, well ... the choice is yours ...
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Yeah observed this- Feels like Huawei had implemented Project treble like functionality already in all kirrin devices
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Yeah absolutely- thats d strategy
But for any device to appeal for XDA public - it should have impressive development or promising atmosphere(releasing sources,support etc)
Advertisements on XDA gonna do more harm than good if they have nill dev support as every user who purchases phone seeing ad on XDA hoping good development like OP would badly be disappointed and it hurts brand value indirectly. Basically majority phones which get advertised on XDA has excellent dev support already like One plus. Huawei is missing this point.
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I am not a "business expert" and I willing to bet that you are not either. We have no idea what the nature of the business relationship is, with Huawei and it's hardware partners such as Hisilicon. Perhaps Huawei is unable to be more forth coming with its source code because of agreements they have with Hisilicon. Perhaps, Hisilicon, being relatively new to the market-place has decided that keeping their userspace code closed is in their best interest, in the face of older companies like Qualcom. Who knows? I think that companies do things by the numbers and if having "good development at XDA" could produce bigger profits for them, I'm sure they would encourage it. I willing to bet that 'custom ROM' development's impact on Huawei's bottom line is negligible. XDA is more useful to them for helping to spread the word about the brand. Also, XDA also generates revenue by advertising and although it is an unfortunate fact. When a ROM is running perfectly their is less reason to come here and post. When a ROM is half working and has lots of bugs, ppl are checking constantly while waiting for bugs to get fixes. If a ROM works well, then you just flash it and go on. No reason to stick around here....
I'm just spit balling anyway.... I could be all wrong...:laugh:
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You live in Missouri? :laugh: The Honor 5x is a Qualcom Snapdragon device and that chipset has plenty of official support from LineageOS. The Honor 6x is a Kirin 655 device and has absolutely NO official support what soever. You asked if there is "something wrong or difficult with this phone when it comes to development". Yes there is and for the same reason that it will NEVER had any official support from custom ROMs like Lineage: no source code.
So, if you bought your Honor 6x with expectation that your "custom rom experience" would be the same as your 5x, I'm afraid that you probably made a mistake.
As for "Where are the download links?". I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say that, if you can not find them, then it's probably for the best. :laugh:
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Yep, about 20 minutes from Springfield. :good:
So with Kirin, is it that they just haven't opensourced what you devs need? Has there been any 'official' discussion on that from them that would give any hope towards easier development
I didn't see links in your rom threads, and your threads don't have the Downloads tab on them like other rom threads do. Guessing you're hosting the files directly from your website you have linked in your threads?
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So with Kirin, is it that they just haven't opensourced what you devs need? Has there been any 'official' discussion on that from them that would give any hope towards easier development.
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I like to think I've done pretty well despite any lack of resources from Huawei. On the devices I own, to me at least, my ROMs are full daily drivers. Perhaps they are not perfect but without source it was never gonna be but, afaict the bugs are minor. I have never heard anything from Huawei on publishing their source. They publish their GPL stuff which is more than some companies do. I will admit that my ROMs probably run better on the P9 Lite and the P10 Lite because I own those devices and when they have problems, I can get information personally. Something I can't do for devices I don't own.
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I like to think I've done pretty well despite any lack of resources from Huawei. On the devices I own, to me at least, my ROMs are full daily drivers. Perhaps they are not perfect but without source it was never gonna be but, afaict the bugs are minor. I have never heard anything from Huawei on publishing their source. They publish their GPL stuff which is more than some companies do. I will admit that my ROMs probably run better on the P9 Lite and the P10 Lite because I own those devices and when they have problems, I can get information personally. Something I can't do for devices I don't own.
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Well if you're nearby in SPFD you can always hit me up if you need a phone to test stuff on, haha.
One thing that can help revive the development is an Oreo update with treble support
Hello fellow TA-1004/TA-1012 users.
Nokia 8 has been a bittersweet experience for most of us. The insane price drop killing it's resale value. Stock but buggy and sub par software. It's a flagship that has ticked as many wrong boxes as it did right.
But the software experience leaves a lot to be desired.
http://chng.it/5X8ncWT6XB
Let's go ahead and sign this petition in numbers to get LineageOS official support for this device.
Please spread the word.
Eh? The issue is not at LineageOS, they would support it if there only was something to work with.
The issue is HMD Global unwilling to provide sufficient sources or provide any help for the community around their devices.
LineageOS can't just throw developers into puzzling proprietary blobs. They will just be shooting in the dark and will have a real hard time maintaining anything. You need a proper source code or clear device specifications to make anything usable..
Modding and puzzling around vendors firmware is totally another thing than actually maintain code.
Signed!
Just a discussion I've wanted to bring up for a while, I'm honestly disappointed in the lack of development for our device tree, the Xiaomi Mi 10 series. I feel thanks to Xiaomi overly saturating the smartphone market with a strategy similar to BKK Electronics, we as consumers have suffered the most from this practice. It does is not beneficial having dozens of similar devices, budget phones to midrange phones to top tier models such as ours with small changes or new gimmicks that leave consumers confused on what model to purchase. I wish Xiaomi had more timed releases such as Samsung or OnePlus, where we can see lots of development for OnePlus due to its open nature, but instead they found they are likely making more money or shipping out more product by flooding the market with a new model every few weeks. I'm bummed out because our phone has been out now since February, and we still do not have a custom ROM... had there been less competition from Xiaomi itself, we likely would have seen more developers purchase the Mi 10 series. What do you guys think about all this? Will someone fulfill the prophecy of producing our first ROM in the near future?
xda-jimjongs said:
Just a discussion I've wanted to bring up for a while, I'm honestly disappointed in the lack of development for our device tree, the Xiaomi Mi 10 series. I feel thanks to Xiaomi overly saturating the smartphone market with a strategy similar to BKK Electronics, we as consumers have suffered the most from this practice. It does is not beneficial having dozens of similar devices, budget phones to midrange phones to top tier models such as ours with small changes or new gimmicks that leave consumers confused on what model to purchase. I wish Xiaomi had more timed releases such as Samsung or OnePlus, where we can see lots of development for OnePlus due to its open nature, but instead they found they are likely making more money or shipping out more product by flooding the market with a new model every few weeks. I'm bummed out because our phone has been out now since February, and we still do not have a custom ROM... had there been less competition from Xiaomi itself, we likely would have seen more developers purchase the Mi 10 series. What do you guys think about all this? Will someone fulfill the prophecy of producing our first ROM in the near future?
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If you're disappointed have you thought about learning and developing a ROM yourself?
You shouldn't be disappointed about something that people give up there free time to do.
More popular devices will always get more attention.
They will come when ready
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As already said before: Be part of the developer community and contribute :good:
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