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any point in rooting?

Hi just wondering if there's any point to rooting these days?i mean the s8+ pretty much bang on!can rooting offer anything extra?I understand like an iPhone is miles better jailbroken but s8 seems to pretty much to a lot!!any ideas folks

I only rooted because I wanted to remove system app and use Titanium Backup.
But if you don't use or need those 2 apps...not worth rooting.
Matt.

I used to root all of my previous phones, including S2+, S4 and S6. I loved custom roms and additional battery saving tweaks or performance tweaks, overclocking, downclocking etc. The S8+ has a huge battery and a great system, so most of the features that I'd get via rooting on the older phones are already here. Also, if you root you void your warranty, and trust me, you don't know when you'll need it . And let's not forget the amount of times that I've flashed something the wrong way or idk something got corrupted and I had to reflash and lose all my data. Staying stock is the best choice on S8+.

Of course it's worthy. You can improve the camera quality with Zero Camera Mod, get better performance with kernels and get rid of the annoying ads.

IN MY OPINION
No, it's not worth it. There may be some advantages to rooting, but you can do MOST of those things without root. Samsung Internet Browser already blocks ads. There's some nonroot apps that will block and across the phone if you don't mind using a VPN.
You can disable unwanted apps with BK Disabler Pro (I think that's what it's called).
The camera is already great. I can't speak for Zero Camera Mod, but the Pixel camera works great on this phone.
I used to unlock bootloaders on every device I owned. Wouldn't buy one with a locked bootloader. I rooted. I flashed custom ROMs. I used Xposed and customized. Then I stopped customizing everything. Then I stopped flashing custom ROMs. Android finally got the point I was happy with it out of the box. When I got my S8+ I realized Samsung's software wasn't bad at all, and I actually enjoyed it.
Now I just read thread after thread of people bricking and soft bricking their phones after rooting. People having issues going back to stock to take upgrades. Honestly, I just shake my head and chuckle, because it all seems like such a big hassle and headache, that really does nothing more than disable things like Samsung Pay.
So no, to me, it's NOT worth it. I enjoy my S8+ and my Note 8 with no desire to root it. When I want to customize it, I apply a theme. I just use the Samsung themes, but have thought about trying Substratum. There's always Nova Launcher and the Pixel Launcher if you want a different look as well.
That's my opinion, and it's worth about a buck two eighty. Get the phone. Run it stock for a while and see if you REALLY miss root. Then decide.

No, for the 1st time I must say on S8+ on Nougat it is not worth. You can disable all apps you don't need without root, remap bixby button, set permissions to apps, remove ads without VPN (Adhell2) etc.

Oh coarse it's worth it, for many reasons . . . .
. . . . . . . now what were those reasons . . . . . ?
oh yes, it turns the phone into a 'Super' phone.
You didn't know that is where the 'S' comes from in Galaxy 'S' 8, did you?

There isn't much customization to accomplish for rooting/custom recovery at the moment. I, at the moment, have twrp-d G950F and Stock G955U1. Strangely, I found myself using G955U1 more than that rooted G950F. Given that there is only TW based roms atm, fonts-theming can be acquired through substratum or flipfonts, and Adblocking using adhell. I basically rooted my device to test ROMs to maximize battery life but there is only little variation to them that I sincerely think that stock G955-U1 ROM is better than other, though I do adore the new samsung oreo keyboard that can add gifs to almost all apps that I am using, unlike its current nougat counterpart. But again, U1 is pretty clean and slim rom. I tried oreo beta, through that samsung.firmware.science, but there is currently no comparable U1 oreo beta, there is only U roms that will install carrier CSC and its added apps to the phone. It almost made me wanting to root to remove those apps, but given the near release of oreo, i ended up choosing to go back to my stock nougat u1 rom. I heard its possible to flash any stock rom to any s8 family.

Go check out CarHDROM. He has ported a Note 8 ROM for the 8+. Very nice and has built in a number of things you will not find on stock, built-in.
I can agree that initial messing about with rooting, setting up a custom ROM can take a little time, it's hardly more than a stock ROM. Some folks have to re-do things to get it just right, but once done, it can be spectacular. 'Rolling your own' can have it's own 'rewards', as it allows for some creativity beyond the stock ROM, and there are a good number of things you can do with a rooted phone, that you can not with a stock phone.
If you are new to rooting, etc, there is a learning curve that can be tranquilly taken over short hours, to days to weeks. Tranquil. The Samsung Odin software and the how to's are pretty straight forward to follow, and most of the time folks here are available to help, though that is not always 'guaranteed'. Some posts/requests for help sit idle either longer than the OP would like, or just remain static, though that is not an often case.
I ran the same custom ROM on my old iPhones, OnePlus One, G3, and once setup with a nice custom ROM, did not change them out.
CarHDROM is very well established, and version v9 (last Nougat) is very stable and very extended with it's added abilities. Carotix takes a lot of time with the users.
That ROM is now on v10 (Orego beta), and going through it's growing pains.
I have v9. Smooth, trash free, and well thought out.
I think all the versions are available for download/use.
It is worth checking out.
At any rate, either stock or custom, the 8/8+ is a great phone.
In the (motorcycle) biking side of life there is a saying for (legitimate) bike owners: "Ride it like you stole it".
Have fun with your S8.

which ones are the root advantages on pixel 2?.

Hey guys.
I have my pixel 2 for 2 months now, came from a Samsung galaxy S8. My whole life I used Samsung since the S2 and I always had the need to root it for cleaner roms, faster kernels and such. This one is the first phone that I don't even feel the need to do root, however I see a lot of people rooting it so I'm wondering which are the advantages? Because there's almost no custom roms for it and custom kernels. I don't think people would root their phones only because of few apps that would work better with root for some more features.
So my question is... There's noticable advantage to root the pixel 2 ? Like on Samsung for faster ROMs, better battery life and performance and so on?
Thanks for your feedback.

Personally, I rooted my Pixel 2 for using Flash kernel and AdAway. If I wasn't so picky about ad blocking, I would not have rooted.
I find that it's a damn good phone and unless you have a very specific need for root, I don't think it's worth it.

It's not for a "few apps that would work better with root for some more features", it's for some apps that can't doi their job at all without root. (And for some of us, coming from Unix/Linux, running Linux [which is the OS that Android runs on] without su is like rowing with one oar. It's just not right.)
Even if I didn't have any apps installed that needed root, the phone still has the ability to elevate the user just in case I need it. (And things like pulling your contacts off the database file they're on, or saving the data of some app that's stored in /data/data/<somewhere> [or recovering a deleted file] are just "go do it", not "you can't get there from here".)

Ad blocking, changing the squeeze actions, change emojis to look normal, and viper 4 Android audio tweaks

Anyone use Pocofone without unlock and root? Strangely, I am.

One of the main reasons I bought Pocophone is due to XDA support. Never have I used a smartphone without unlock and root.
I could not wait for trying all those roms and kernels out there. I used all those Magisk and Xposed modules. Always trying many tweaks and tools. It was more of an addiction.
But using Pocophone a few days changed my mind. It is fast, smooth and battery lasts long without applying tons of tweaks. MIUI is great as well. It offers solid app controlling features. I have used tons of roms and do not see the need for replacing MIUI. Why use others when MIUI is very decent?
I know I can still root it, tweak it, make it better but I do not see the point as it is already superb. If it weren't those banking apps, I might have decided to unlock & root just for the sake of it but what would be the point then? It would just cause unnecessary complications with banking apps.
So I decided to use it as it is. Not even unlock. But man, it sure feels strange as I am new to this.

Same here, I used to geek around with my previous Oneplus phone, but with this Pocophone I've also decided to keep it as it is, and try to use it as long I as can, and only when they will stop updating it, then I'll look around for some ROM with newer Android version, but for now l'm fine with the MIUI ROM and the Gcam app

It all depends on your usage.
If you want privacy you have to root and install a custom ROM.
But if you like getting spied 24h from many companies at once, then you can stay as you want.

What to say ... if you're happy, that's what matters
I am using MIUI with few modifications ([ROM] [PIE 9.0] [MIUI] AMBASADII POCOPHONE F1 [v1.5.2] [03.02.2019]) is the beta version of the official MIUI rom, I use modified kernel(Sphynx) to get access to my external HDDs, I have no problems with bank apps, whatsapp among others as others complain, so I'm happy and I own MIUI that I love very much, with the resources I need.

Rommco05 said:
Spying everywhere
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If you die you finally won't have spy hardware placed besides you.

Rommco05 said:
would say, enjoy life. I personally don't care about spying me. I not need anything to hide... if Xiaomi or Huawei or Google want to know what I like and what not, no drama. Dont think so they want my money or naked photos... Do what you want to do
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It's not only about your likings. It's about your personality, your psychological situation, your health and there is also about the things your children would concern in future. It's like getting profiled in many ways.
You are just looking at the basic things, but big companies data mining allows much more than that.

What's up with banking apps and the Poco F1? I don't get it. .

Malexirian said:
What's up with banking apps and the Poco F1? I don't get it. .
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What's there to not get it? Banking apps detect unlock and root then FC. It is not specific to Poco F1 but with other phones I've used, the need for unlock & root was greater than losing functionality of banking apps periodically.

I used to root and custom ROM when I was young.
Now that I'm old. I just prefer stable official ROM.
Besides, custom ROM is a software cant make the processor , ram, storage , optimization improvement that's so great that deserve the mod.
If u want something better and faster , get the latest hardware .
Too many custom rom . U never know which 1 is good or stable till u try it all

Well this is new age
If you said were true, then why would there be robust custom development in the first place? Why would kids ask which kernel and rom reach 300k antutu with 12-hour battery life?
You should try if you are free. It's not like in the old days wherein rooting is hard and not as worth it as now. Plus, MIUI is a giant bloated spyware.

I know your feel bro.

My 72 hour wait is done, so I can now unlock. In fact, I could have done it over a day ago, but I've sort of just thought.. What's the point, do I really feel like doing this again?
I probably will unlock and maybe root eventually, but I'm currently on the fence right now. It used to be exciting when I was younger, but now I'm not really sure.

4K2K said:
One of the main reasons I bought Pocophone is due to XDA support. Never have I used a smartphone without unlock and root.
I could not wait for trying all those roms and kernels out there. I used all those Magisk and Xposed modules. Always trying many tweaks and tools. It was more of an addiction.
But using Pocophone a few days changed my mind. It is fast, smooth and battery lasts long without applying tons of tweaks. MIUI is great as well. It offers solid app controlling features. I have used tons of roms and do not see the need for replacing MIUI. Why use others when MIUI is very decent?
I know I can still root it, tweak it, make it better but I do not see the point as it is already superb. If it weren't those banking apps, I might have decided to unlock & root just for the sake of it but what would be the point then? It would just cause unnecessary complications with banking apps.
So I decided to use it as it is. Not even unlock. But man, it sure feels strange as I am new to this.
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I would suggest that you try xiaomi.eu rom, It has all the the things that make miui good and removes the bad (system adds,etc) and adds some extra features only available in china versions of miui (AI preloading).

I am still on stock. I haven't used stock roms till now and this a new experience to me. The main thing i rooted in my earlier phones was to install a modified hosts file to block those adverts. Now I have AdGuard i do not feel the need for root. But still when the official support end I will root and go for custom rom .

Same thing happened to me, first with the Mi A2 and now with the poco which replaced that one. Haven't felt the need to even root them and doing it for the lols doesn't cut it anymore. You value your time more as you get older (and have less time to do meaningless crap like this) so I'd just rather have a phone that works. Every time I've gone into custom ROMs in the past they've never been quite stable, there's always been something or some annoying thing that has made me constantly switch between ROMs with all the bs that goes into that.

SilentEYE said:
If you die you finally won't have spy hardware placed besides you.
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I haven't unlocked or rooted.
I use on-line banking apps as well that detect rooted phone so stop working.
Previous phones I've rooted and unlocked used custom roms and you spend more time updating configuring backing up than you do using it as a phone.
Life is short time is pressuse I've got more important things to do.

butts126 said:
I haven't unlocked or rooted.
I use on-line banking apps as well that detect rooted phone so stop working.
Previous phones I've rooted and unlocked used custom roms and you spend more time updating configuring backing up than you do using it as a phone.
Life is short time is pressuse I've got more important things to do.
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If you don't care about privacy, then it is ok to stay unrooted.
I use banking apps with custom rom, without any problems.

Good for you my banks block them and I've got better things to do with my life than trying to get round them blocking custom ROMs.

Thats exactly what i thought. Never had a MIUI phone before and i was impressed with how smooth and stable the miui skin is. but i said **** it and installed Pixel Experience. Never in my life ever again am i going to switch back to MIUI. You have to give one custom rom a shot. Trust me u wont regret it
Sent from my Poco F1 using XDA Labs

FilipSRB said:
Thats exactly what i thought. Never had a MIUI phone before and i was impressed with how smooth and stable the miui skin is. but i said **** it and installed Pixel Experience. Never in my life ever again am i going to switch back to MIUI. You have to give one custom rom a shot. Trust me u wont regret it
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What is so special about Pixel Experience compared MIUI?
I have used Pixel Experience with a different phone but did not find it interesting. I preferred other roms like AICP and RR.

I just can't do it anymore.

For years I have rooted my phones, and have had just about all the OEM's at one time or another. Since I've had my Pixels, not so much. So I decided to Root my Pixel, and run a custom ROM for the weekend, and today, I had had enough, and went back to stock. It's just not for me anymore. I like for everything to work, and what I get from stock is just perfect for me. Why is everyone else still holding on?

I miss being a flash-a-holic lol. I would always flash alot of custom roms also and my fav was Pure Nexus. i'm currently stock and fine with it well i wanted to try Q so. I still wanted a Pure Pixel rom but it never happened.

I think pretty much the ability to properly backup and restore using Titanium Backup. Otherwise, I as well would be done with root. Sure would make the monthly updates easier...

I have always rooted my devices. From Nexus 6p, Pixel XL, Pixel 2XL, I never felt I needed to, they always ran great and did exactly what I needed. My favorite, including a 2 days battery was Pixel 2 XL.
However, with Pixel 3 XL, the battery, and now the lagging, has been a nightmare. It's like I am dealing with samsumg all over again, like it was with samsumgs, pockets pcs, etc...
I was about to root and flash a custom until I saw your post... which means, not even the custom roms will fix this horrible phone... thats sad... I always buy my pixels on launch date, but I will eagerly wait for the next one, but only buy it 3 or 4 months later, if I buy it. For now, I am now researching between the latest samsung, OPO and Huawei to replace my P3XL, I really can't take it anymore. What a waste of money in this phone, and is not even worth half of what I paid now....

I use a custom rom for customization (changing statusbar color, accent colors, customize reboot menu, change statusbar icons, etc). Use root so I can disable navbar and use pie controls, use tasker and other apps properly, enable fingerprint pay where it is not allowed, and many other things.
I admit on stock you can use tulsadiver's mods to change most of the things a custom rom does, but you have to redo it on every update.

Stock with root and ElememtalX kernel for the extra high brightness mode. Need it because I mount my phone to the handlebars of my motorcycle for Nav. It's ok without it, but so much better with it.

I held off for years before putting a custom ROM on my Pixels, but I finally relented because of some lag on my 3XL. Now I'm running the latest AOSiP with Kirisakura kernel, and everything works beautifully and better than stock. Those of you who are having issues and have nothing to lose should definitely try a custom ROM. I haven't yet found anything that doesn't function better than stock. It's been totally stable and fully functional for me. With better performance and more features, of course.

There are still a couple reasons that keep me flashing custom. Not as many as there used to be. I still enjoy it though. Just like switching Linux Distros. I do it when I'm bored. It's fun.

For me. It's roms. Kernels. Titanium. And ad blockers.
There are lots of reasons to still root. But to each there own.

What finally drove me away from custom ROMs is that devs would stop supporting my device as soon as a new flashier, newer, c00l3r device came out. Basic bugs wouldn't get fixed. They'd be switching forums every few months (XDA? Telegram? Google+?). I'd donate $100 and a month later my favorite features would stop working or be dropped.
In short, lack of long term (6-9 months "long term"?) basic stability in favor chasing the latest new toy. I get it, it's their free time, but that's why I donated, and this is why I left.

This is the first Android device I've had I've kept stock with exception to rooting and a few Magisk modules like ViPER4Android. Other than that, I have to admit I am pretty content with the stock experience.

After almost 3 years (starting with the OG PIxel and XL), I finally installed a custom ROM on the 3XL but left the 3 stock and rooted. I may go back to stock and rooted with Q coming. The biggest reason for me to quit swapping custom ROMs on these devices is that TWRP has really become nothing more than a zip flasher. Multiple slot issues and no real Nandroid functionality makes it so that a custom ROM just replaces stock if you are happy with it and support continues. The time to completely wipe and reconfigure after a custom install just isn't worth it more than once for me.

Data backs up fine on TWRP and restoring it gets back all your settings.

Ad-blocking, ad-blocking, and ad-blocking.
I just can't use a phone that shows adverts - they p1ss me off no end. Not only the fact they take up half the screen, and steal bandwidth, but the tracking is basically illegal but still done relentlessly.

21cdb said:
I held off for years before putting a custom ROM on my Pixels, but I finally relented because of some lag on my 3XL. Now I'm running the latest AOSiP with Kirisakura kernel, and everything works beautifully and better than stock. Those of you who are having issues and have nothing to lose should definitely try a custom ROM. I haven't yet found anything that doesn't function better than stock. It's been totally stable and fully functional for me. With better performance and more features, of course.
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Active edge, and Pixel stand doesn't work as it should. Also with all the custom ROM's I flashed they would just reboot randomly.

djcrystals said:
There are still a couple reasons that keep me flashing custom. Not as many as there used to be. I still enjoy it though. Just like switching Linux Distros. I do it when I'm bored. It's fun.
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I get that. It's one of the reasons that got me into it in the first place.

cantara256 said:
What finally drove me away from custom ROMs is that devs would stop supporting my device as soon as a new flashier, newer, c00l3r device came out. Basic bugs wouldn't get fixed. They'd be switching forums every few months (XDA? Telegram? Google+?). I'd donate $100 and a month later my favorite features would stop working or be dropped.
In short, lack of long term (6-9 months "long term"?) basic stability in favor chasing the latest new toy. I get it, it's their free time, but that's why I donated, and this is why I left.
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Honestly that's actually one of the advantages of still Rooting. Getting the latest software on a device that is no longer supported.

krs360 said:
Ad-blocking, ad-blocking, and ad-blocking.
I just can't use a phone that shows adverts - they p1ss me off no end. Not only the fact they take up half the screen, and steal bandwidth, but the tracking is basically illegal but still done relentlessly.
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dns.adguard.com

jmartin72 said:
Active edge, and Pixel stand doesn't work as it should. Also with all the custom ROM's I flashed they would just reboot randomly.
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Both features work great in the latest AOSiP build. Also haven't had any random reboots.

jmartin72 said:
dns.adguard.com
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That only works on wifi right? On mobile data it uses your providers DNS?

Genuine Question: What is the benefit of rooting at this point?

First off, a disclaimer: I come from a long line of rooting android phones, from the Nexus of yore to Samsungs and the Axon 7, to now potentially rooting the OP7 Pro. I know what rooting does, I know I can change the ROM, and that will allow me to change the look etc etc. But is there really benefit outside of that anymore?
And what things will I lose by rooting? Will google pay still work? Etc.
I've been getting bored with the stock ROM, not because there's anything wrong with it, I actually have only a 55% urge to root and load up a custom ROM. It's mostly out of boredom to be honest. But I find that as phones progress, my need to root and flash a new ROM shrinks. Especially since this is relatively close to Stock Android in the first place.

EasyTiger6x13 said:
First off, a disclaimer: I come from a long line of rooting android phones, from the Nexus of yore to Samsungs and the Axon 7, to now potentially rooting the OP7 Pro. I know what rooting does, I know I can change the ROM, and that will allow me to change the look etc etc. But is there really benefit outside of that anymore?
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Logon just to agree with what OP said. I, too came from a very long line of android phones (#AndroidMasterRace). As I changed from phone to phone, I eventually find it less and less appealing to root and currently rooting my phone just out of habit than actual needs.
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And what things will I lose by rooting? Will google pay still work? Etc.
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As long as Magisk passed with Safety Net, Google Pay will still work. Other than Warranty, you lose nothing. Rooting just let you gain more control over your phone.

oceanax said:
Logon just to agree with what OP said. I, too came from a very long line of android phones (#AndroidMasterRace). As I changed from phone to phone, I eventually find it less and less appealing to root and currently rooting my phone just out of habit than actual needs.
As long as Magisk passed with Safety Net, Google Pay will still work. Other than Warranty, you lose nothing. Rooting just let you gain more control over your phone.
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You don't even lose warranty.
There is nothing permanent done when unlocking the BootLoader or rooting.
You gain full control.

Do you mean root or custom ROM? You don't need root for a custom ROM...
As for rooting...
Systemwide adblock
Substratum themes
Pixel launcher & recents
Live caption + dark theme assistant
etc

I always root for numerous apps, mods, controls, etc...

Viper4android

galaxys said:
I always root for numerous apps, mods, controls, etc...
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Could you list the ones you use or would root to use, I'm also tempted to root but don't really see a big benefit, maybe you can change my mind

Adaway is my big plus to rooting. Doesn't matter what app or game I use, no ads.
Titanium Backup is my other #1 app to have. If I have problems with a specific OS (in my case, I had to downgrade from Android 10 back to 9), Titanium Backup put all my (game) data back without issues.

darkandshadow said:
Adaway is my big plus to rooting. Doesn't matter what app or game I use, no ads.
Titanium Backup is my other #1 app to have. If I have problems with a specific OS (in my case, I had to downgrade from Android 10 back to 9), Titanium Backup put all my (game) data back without issues.
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seconded. adaway is the main reason for me too. and Viper4Android

Im looking for a ROM that enables free tethering built in. Does anyone know of any? That's the main benefit of rooting for me.

I've been rooting and ROMing since the HTC Hero. I used to chase nightlies, kernels, new homescreen every day.... all looking to make slow phones faster and more useable.
Phone hardware is actually pretty stellar now, especially this one.
So all I do is root the stock rom, install ad block and Viper4android.
Being able to update firmware from the manufacturer OTA and maintain root with just a few clicks is the best thing since sliced bread for me.

Android manufacturers have finally started adding things to their stock launchers and builds that now make some mods and rooting and obsolete.
But Instill use it to customize my Waze map colors and Adaway. Otherwise, no reason and been thinking of jumping to the new Galaxy S11 plus when it comes out. Will see.

I root for Viper, to try custom kernels and to mod various visual aspects of OOS. You do lose HD quality Netflix and Prime video but I rarely watch them so its worth it for me.

Sab3elbromba said:
Could you list the ones you use or would root to use, I'm also tempted to root but don't really see a big benefit, maybe you can change my mind
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For me, I root for substratum, xposed edge, exi for SwiftKey, adaway, custom kernels, (magisk) roms, viper4android, probably a few more but that's just off the top of my head. Also, not the person you replied to.
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You should root you don't loose anything
And i overclocked the phone like crazy fast,
There are many benefits for rooting

I'm not rooting this time cause I dont want to lose the stable system that I have. I like its last of battery and I am okay with the speed of the phone. I think I will pass rooting this time

Adaway, viper4android, google dailer with call screen, downclocking the cpu, getting rid of all unnecessary apps and background processes. Aux camera's in gcams. And i have gpay and banking apps still working....