For years I have rooted my phones, and have had just about all the OEM's at one time or another. Since I've had my Pixels, not so much. So I decided to Root my Pixel, and run a custom ROM for the weekend, and today, I had had enough, and went back to stock. It's just not for me anymore. I like for everything to work, and what I get from stock is just perfect for me. Why is everyone else still holding on?
I miss being a flash-a-holic lol. I would always flash alot of custom roms also and my fav was Pure Nexus. i'm currently stock and fine with it well i wanted to try Q so. I still wanted a Pure Pixel rom but it never happened.
I think pretty much the ability to properly backup and restore using Titanium Backup. Otherwise, I as well would be done with root. Sure would make the monthly updates easier...
I have always rooted my devices. From Nexus 6p, Pixel XL, Pixel 2XL, I never felt I needed to, they always ran great and did exactly what I needed. My favorite, including a 2 days battery was Pixel 2 XL.
However, with Pixel 3 XL, the battery, and now the lagging, has been a nightmare. It's like I am dealing with samsumg all over again, like it was with samsumgs, pockets pcs, etc...
I was about to root and flash a custom until I saw your post... which means, not even the custom roms will fix this horrible phone... thats sad... I always buy my pixels on launch date, but I will eagerly wait for the next one, but only buy it 3 or 4 months later, if I buy it. For now, I am now researching between the latest samsung, OPO and Huawei to replace my P3XL, I really can't take it anymore. What a waste of money in this phone, and is not even worth half of what I paid now....
I use a custom rom for customization (changing statusbar color, accent colors, customize reboot menu, change statusbar icons, etc). Use root so I can disable navbar and use pie controls, use tasker and other apps properly, enable fingerprint pay where it is not allowed, and many other things.
I admit on stock you can use tulsadiver's mods to change most of the things a custom rom does, but you have to redo it on every update.
Stock with root and ElememtalX kernel for the extra high brightness mode. Need it because I mount my phone to the handlebars of my motorcycle for Nav. It's ok without it, but so much better with it.
I held off for years before putting a custom ROM on my Pixels, but I finally relented because of some lag on my 3XL. Now I'm running the latest AOSiP with Kirisakura kernel, and everything works beautifully and better than stock. Those of you who are having issues and have nothing to lose should definitely try a custom ROM. I haven't yet found anything that doesn't function better than stock. It's been totally stable and fully functional for me. With better performance and more features, of course.
There are still a couple reasons that keep me flashing custom. Not as many as there used to be. I still enjoy it though. Just like switching Linux Distros. I do it when I'm bored. It's fun.
For me. It's roms. Kernels. Titanium. And ad blockers.
There are lots of reasons to still root. But to each there own.
What finally drove me away from custom ROMs is that devs would stop supporting my device as soon as a new flashier, newer, c00l3r device came out. Basic bugs wouldn't get fixed. They'd be switching forums every few months (XDA? Telegram? Google+?). I'd donate $100 and a month later my favorite features would stop working or be dropped.
In short, lack of long term (6-9 months "long term"?) basic stability in favor chasing the latest new toy. I get it, it's their free time, but that's why I donated, and this is why I left.
This is the first Android device I've had I've kept stock with exception to rooting and a few Magisk modules like ViPER4Android. Other than that, I have to admit I am pretty content with the stock experience.
After almost 3 years (starting with the OG PIxel and XL), I finally installed a custom ROM on the 3XL but left the 3 stock and rooted. I may go back to stock and rooted with Q coming. The biggest reason for me to quit swapping custom ROMs on these devices is that TWRP has really become nothing more than a zip flasher. Multiple slot issues and no real Nandroid functionality makes it so that a custom ROM just replaces stock if you are happy with it and support continues. The time to completely wipe and reconfigure after a custom install just isn't worth it more than once for me.
Data backs up fine on TWRP and restoring it gets back all your settings.
Ad-blocking, ad-blocking, and ad-blocking.
I just can't use a phone that shows adverts - they p1ss me off no end. Not only the fact they take up half the screen, and steal bandwidth, but the tracking is basically illegal but still done relentlessly.
21cdb said:
I held off for years before putting a custom ROM on my Pixels, but I finally relented because of some lag on my 3XL. Now I'm running the latest AOSiP with Kirisakura kernel, and everything works beautifully and better than stock. Those of you who are having issues and have nothing to lose should definitely try a custom ROM. I haven't yet found anything that doesn't function better than stock. It's been totally stable and fully functional for me. With better performance and more features, of course.
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Active edge, and Pixel stand doesn't work as it should. Also with all the custom ROM's I flashed they would just reboot randomly.
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There are still a couple reasons that keep me flashing custom. Not as many as there used to be. I still enjoy it though. Just like switching Linux Distros. I do it when I'm bored. It's fun.
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I get that. It's one of the reasons that got me into it in the first place.
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What finally drove me away from custom ROMs is that devs would stop supporting my device as soon as a new flashier, newer, c00l3r device came out. Basic bugs wouldn't get fixed. They'd be switching forums every few months (XDA? Telegram? Google+?). I'd donate $100 and a month later my favorite features would stop working or be dropped.
In short, lack of long term (6-9 months "long term"?) basic stability in favor chasing the latest new toy. I get it, it's their free time, but that's why I donated, and this is why I left.
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Honestly that's actually one of the advantages of still Rooting. Getting the latest software on a device that is no longer supported.
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Ad-blocking, ad-blocking, and ad-blocking.
I just can't use a phone that shows adverts - they p1ss me off no end. Not only the fact they take up half the screen, and steal bandwidth, but the tracking is basically illegal but still done relentlessly.
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dns.adguard.com
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Active edge, and Pixel stand doesn't work as it should. Also with all the custom ROM's I flashed they would just reboot randomly.
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Both features work great in the latest AOSiP build. Also haven't had any random reboots.
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That only works on wifi right? On mobile data it uses your providers DNS?
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Ok guys, the title says it all. Do you plan on living with your One XL the way HTC intended it to be or do you plan on living on the wild side? Despite the non removable battery I plan on rooting as soon as we get some good roms. For me that's half the fun of android, as soon as I get bored with one rom I flash a new one! However I am a bit concerned about the non removable battery. I've ran into more than a few sticky situations while tinkering with my Atrix that the only solution was a battery pull i.e. infinite bootloops and not being able to access recovery. So what will it be for you?
I"m on a similar situation, but will Rom away.
definitely. and not having a removable battery isnt a problem, if you long hold the power button for 10 sec, the device will auto shutdown and simulate a battery pull.
i will root as soon as available so my root apps work and i can tether. i usually don't rom until roms are tried and true unless i'm testing. i'm not a fan of bugs and alphas.
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However I am a bit concerned about the non removable battery. I've ran into more than a few sticky situations while tinkering with my Atrix that the only solution was a battery pull i.e. infinite bootloops and not being able to access recovery.
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Hold the power button for 10+ seconds. According to the One X manual on HTC's website that will be the equivalent of a battery pull. And several users of the International version have confirmed that this works
def unlocking and rooting asap. always do.
Definitely will root, probably going to have to flash the radio to get AWS working for WCDMA.
Probably wont root. Im going to stay fully stock and see if everything is fine. If i need more enhancements/mods i will sign my phone away to htcdev
So I'm kind of a newb at rooting (I've only rooted the htc inspire) does anyone know how to root it already or are we going to have to wait till the device comes out on AT&T?
Will definitely root it but I'm gonna hold off on the roms for a while
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Rooting it to remove bloat. Might flash a rom if it's stock ICS themed.
I'll probably root/ROM mine after a few days of being stock.
I want to try out some vanilla ICS on it, but who knows maybe it will be perfect the way it is
Will be rooting as soon as possible I use to many apps that require root. May stick with sense for a while but will certainly do something about the green battery icon I really hate it.
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I'm not particularly interested in rooting any more these days, but I think I would prefer stock ICS again.
While Sense 4.0 is an improvement over past versions, it is still far too bloated and cluttered. Having only 9GB of available space on a 16GB device is unacceptable :\
I've never not rooted or flashed a different ROM on my device. Sometimes I will add my own hacks because devs are awesome enough to tell us their method for doing so. But my ROMs aren't good enough to publish and are just rips and customizations because I'm extremely picky.
Thankfully I've managed to Disable most of the Sense junk that I don't like and retain the good stuff. My stock ROM is running beautifully. HTC has done an amazing job of streamlining things and I'm really amazed.
I'll be able to hold out. I'd love root access for root call blocker and some other essential root-dependant changes but I'm pretty dang content right now. Such a wicked device. I've never loved a device out of the box as much as this phone.
Really hoping for AOKP for this device. I love the look of AOSP with the additional features included in AOKP...best of both worlds.
I'll definitely root ASAP, but will probably hold off on ROMs until a CM9 build pops up.
Non removable battery is a non issue. My Xoom has a non removable battery and I flash custom ROMs all the time. Power + Volume buttons.
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Really hoping for AOKP for this device. I love the look of AOSP with the additional features included in AOKP...best of both worlds.
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The AOKP project is an awesome compliment to the AOSP sources that are released. They do such a fantastic job. Only very minor improvements and not too much screwing around.
Cyanogenmod trumps it by just a tiny bit though. I absolutely love what they do. They're intense. I always make small donations any time I can. They're amazing.
Im guessing the people that are here are going to root and rom... otherwise they wouldnt be here.
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Im guessing the people that are here are going to root and rom... otherwise they wouldnt be here.
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Bingo!
I'm always surprised when I see people posting about how they've had x amount of phones and never rooted. NEVER ROOTED!?!?!? I can understand and appreciate not unlocking the bootloader or flashing ROMs, but I don't understand why they'd be here if they aren't tinkering one way or another.
I normally don't even bother setting up my phones because I've already got everything lined up to root, unlock and probably flash a different ROM onto my device.
I have been a flashaholic for some time, probably the Eclair days, but I really question if it's worth it now days.
Most Lollipop and newer ROMs, except for Nexus devices, seem to have some kind of issues... If not immediately, then over time. While at the same time factory ROMs get better, partially because the base code is better and because many manufacturers are getting better at it.
And now, some features are being blocked just by unlocking of bootloader, even if you're otherwise stock, like Android Pay and others like Pok�©mon Go.
I find all I really do now on custom roms is some interface tweaks... Change the battery icon, add a clear all button to recents, and add arrows to the navigation bar, all minor stuff. Otherwise things like Nova Launcher, SwiftKey, and GSAM largely don't even require root anymore much less a custom ROM. Part of it used to be for battery life, but now, at least on modern Moto devices, most custom roms struggle just to match the battery life of stock.
I've tried every rom for this device I can find, here and other places, and they all seem to have a variety of things that fail, from minor annoyances to major services broken like GPS, or they fail over time.
My question for discussion is it still worth it, and why do you ROM or even root anymore?
I used to run a variety CM ROM's on Samsung Galaxy & Note devices. Starting with the Galaxy S2 Skyrocket and then every decent device Samsung released until the bootloaders stopped getting cracked.
There was always something that just didn't work right and I'd have random crashes.
But for me it was semi-worth it. I like to tinker and customize a lot.
Fast forward to the last thirteen months with my first non-Samsung since. A Motorola Moto X Pure.
Best damn phone I've ever had.
And there is CM available, but I quickly discovered AOSP ROM's like Dirty Unicorn and Broken OS.
Both these ROM's are FULL of customization not found in Xposed modules, and both ROM's have been 100% reliable.
I may have had one lockup in the last 13 months. And everything from GPS to Bluetooth, etc. have all worked perfectly.
So for me, yes... custom ROM's are more than worth it once you find the right ROM. My phone is heavily customized to my needs and super reliable.
The only thing lacking with MotoX was kernel development. Which I guess is where you start losing some reliability.
But it's also where I'm hoping the Pixel will get some good development and I'm looking forward to it. :good:
Non-rooted stock MM has been going great for me lately. Lots of great built in features like Moto actions, etc. I play Pokemon while walking on my breaks at work, and the last few updates forced my hand to go back to stock. I was (am) also a flashoholic, and it was mainly to have custom features and better performance on outdated and mfg abandoned phones. It was also a must for my Kindle Fire. I really don't see myself going away from stock MM (soon to be Nougat) on my MXPE at this point. I still flash ROMs on my G2 and Note 3 though, but barely use them outside the house.
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I used to run a variety CM ROM's on Samsung Galaxy & Note devices. Starting with the Galaxy S2 Skyrocket and then every decent device Samsung released until the bootloaders stopped getting cracked.
There was always something that just didn't work right and I'd have random crashes.
But for me it was semi-worth it. I like to tinker and customize a lot.
Fast forward to the last thirteen months with my first non-Samsung since. A Motorola Moto X Pure.
Best damn phone I've ever had.
And there is CM available, but I quickly discovered AOSP ROM's like Dirty Unicorn and Broken OS.
Both these ROM's are FULL of customization not found in Xposed modules, and both ROM's have been 100% reliable.
I may have had one lockup in the last 13 months. And everything from GPS to Bluetooth, etc. have all worked perfectly.
So for me, yes... custom ROM's are more than worth it once you find the right ROM. My phone is heavily customized to my needs and super reliable.
The only thing lacking with MotoX was kernel development. Which I guess is where you start losing some reliability.
But it's also where I'm hoping the Pixel will get some good development and I'm looking forward to it. :good:
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Hmm... I have been on that "rom that shan't be named on XDA" for a while now. After a month started suffering SoD randomly and Play Services has stopped issues. DU 10.6 couldn't maintain GPS lock, but 10.5 was fine, seemed to effect only a handful of devices, lucky me.
Anyway, thanks for your input.
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Hmm... I have been on that "rom that shan't be named on XDA" for a while now. After a month started suffering SoD randomly and Play Services has stopped issues. DU 10.6 couldn't maintain GPS lock, but 10.5 was fine, seemed to effect only a handful of devices, lucky me.
Anyway, thanks for your input.
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I also have been a avid user of the "rom that shan't be named on XDA" for many months now with no real issues. By chance have you tried a fresh install again. The latest release was back in late August a 4.9.1 version that made corrections to some issues on the 4.9 release.
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I also have been a avid user of the "rom that shan't be named on XDA" for many months now with no real issues. By chance have you tried a fresh install again. The latest release was back in late August a 4.9.1 version that made corrections to some issues on the 4.9 release.
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Not yet... I have been on 4.9.1 already, and have been working with the devs a bit on it but seems mostly isolated to my device.
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Not yet... I have been on 4.9.1 already, and have been working with the devs a bit on it but seems mostly isolated to my device.
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If anything try a fresh install and see if your issues were only from maybe a bad original install. If they show up again then I would say they are isolated to your device.
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If anything try a fresh install and see if your issues were only from maybe a bad original install. If they show up again then I would say they are isolated to your device.
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I'm out of town for the weekend, in a rather rural area, so maybe will try tomorrow evening.
LMT pie, adaway, naptime, and general tweaking are the only reasons I root on a phone this close to stock android.
I didn't run custom ROMs on this phone until about August of this year. That was when battery life on aicp started to get comparable with stock for me. I can get most of the features I want from gravitybox, but I prefer them baked into the ROM. Xposed always seems a little problematic even when you don't install janky modules. I really like the notification led; missed that when I got this phone. I know we're supposed to use moto display, but I think that makes more sense on amoled than a great big LCD. Never had good luck with lightflow or the led enabler apps, but the custom roms work great. I really like slim recents too. I haven't found any modules that work to put KitKat like recents on M ROMs.
TruPureXMM + GravityBox
Loved my MXP so much I bought one for my mom who was hating her iPhone5. Kept it stock (for obvious reasons), so I have a good baseline to compare to my MXP running TruPureXMM + GravityBox. I've tried a bunch of ROMS for this phone but I always come back to TruPureXMM + GravityBox. Oh, and Tasker.
There is no way in hell I would go back to stock.
I used Cyanogenmod on my HTC Incredible and Verizon Galaxy Nexus. Didn't root or ROM for a while due to using the stock ROM on the 2nd generation Verizon Moto X 2014 and stock Android on the Nexus 5X and 6P. But, I had the itch to unlock the bootloader on my Moto X Pure, due to curiousity, and because it's likely that we will only see one more Nougat update. I tried CM13, but I was getting UI freeze ups and slowdowns on multiple builds, so I tried Dirty Unicorns 10.6, and that has been working fine. I may return to the stock ROM after the Nougat update, but in the meantime, I'm happy experimenting with different ROMs on the Pure.
I'd be cool with stock- as long as I could debloat it.
And it was updated fairly quickly.
Stock for this phone is great. Better than most. Only issue really is Moto is so far behind on security updates. They are on what, May I believe? CM13 is Oct.
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Stock here, never a issue. With Nougat in the horizon, a custom ROM is a big NO for me.
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I would say TruPureX with a few mods is a very solid and stable way to go. I myself am on TurboROM which has ceased current development, but have ZERO issues. AICP's MM build is the most feature filled and works flawlessly aside from one issue I don't have on other ROMs, where my bank app only shows black when using the camera to deposit checks, making AICP unusable for me, but highly recommended for others to try as that's the absolute only issue I could find after a week full of testing (Kind of what I do as a hobby is push ROMs to their limits to find the issues.)
So in short: TruPureXMM, TurboROM, AICP - are all great choices without the negatives associated with many custom ROMs.
Pretty sure we are all here to push the ROMs to he limits lol?
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Speaking of custom ROMs, I just searched android file host for Clark and there are new 7.0 builds of zephyros, pure nexus, aosp, and cos.
I'm in a limited data area so I haven't downloaded or tried them out yet.
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Speaking of custom ROMs, I just searched android file host for Clark and there are new 7.0 builds of zephyros, pure nexus, aosp, and cos.
I'm in a limited data area so I haven't downloaded or tried them out yet.
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Running the latest Zephyr after trying AICP and CM14. Uses substratum and SuperSU. Camera recording isn't working with snapdragon camera (FC), google camera (records but doesn't save). Had an android.phone FC but replaced with google phone/contacts and no problems so far. Still need to test speakerphone and bluetooth, but assuming those work as well as 6.0.1 I'm pretty impressed by Birdman.
Any roms that anyone can recommend? CM13 and OrionOS both have very bad stuttering after some time of use. Has anyone tried Pure Nexus or Slim6? Just need a good daily driver that can handle games without heating up so hot, and handle most social apps great...
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Speaking of custom ROMs, I just searched android file host for Clark and there are new 7.0 builds of zephyros, pure nexus, aosp, and cos.
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Seriously? We've got like one and a half here.
Seems like twrp, rooms etc are not really being developed. Anyone have any ideas on this?
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Seems like twrp, rooms etc are not really being developed. Anyone have any ideas on this?
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There are a few and the performance is good.
In terms of price, the pixel is pretty damn expensive compared to other android phones with similar specs. Add to that the fact that, in the USA, at least, it was nearly impossible to get one for the longest time and finally, the way the partitioning is set up is quite different that any previous android phones. All these make for some slow development.
It's expensive plus Google's security features are becoming more problematic. The newest bootloader is causing issues with root now.
The real dev device now is OnePlus not googles product anymore.
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Seems like twrp, rooms etc are not really being developed. Anyone have any ideas on this?
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Was actually my thinking also...
I came to the conclusion, that nobody has this device, and also google is making it hard to develop for the pixel. Working against the dev community with each update.
I am not worried though, because I only need root for my ARISE sound mod ,and backup/restore via Titanium Backup. I'm running completely stock, because that is the fastest, smoothest, most battery friendly setup I could find. Now that (even with a lot of hacking and manual adjustments) both TWRP and root works somehow, I am enjoying my pixel as it is... All these new things, like slots, loosing the recovery partition etc. make this device terrible for flashing. I was used to flashing my phones without a PC for 6-7 years now. I didn't even had to hook them up to the PC, only once, at first recovery flashing.... This is not the case with the pixel..
Maybe if the new partition layout gets picked up by other manufacturers, the problems will be solved quickly. Or even google drops this nonsense with the new pixels, and then we are really doooooomed
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It's expensive plus Google's security features are becoming more problematic. The newest bootloader is causing issues with root now.
The real dev device now is OnePlus not googles product anymore.
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Lol...OnePlus are unavailable to release nougat for the OnePlus 2 (SD810+4Gb Ram)
I don't really agree. The development took some time because of all the new features.
We are not really missing any roms, root, twrp or anything I want to be able to do. I see PN, DU, Lineage, OctOS, PixelDust, RR. I mean what other ones you want?
I'll get an OP when they decide to support their devices at least 2 years. They burned enough people with OP2.
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I don't really agree. The development took some time because of all the new features.
We are not really missing any roms, root, twrp or anything I want to be able to do. I see PN, DU, Lineage, OctOS, PixelDust, RR. I mean what other ones you want?
I'll get an OP when they decide to support their devices at least 2 years. They burned enough people with OP2.
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Twrp seems abandoned, and the mix and match instructions for getting things to boot and run with magisk etc just seem odd, that's all. I'm sure everything will be figured out with time, but was just honestly curious.
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Twrp seems abandoned, and the mix and match instructions for getting things to boot and run with magisk etc just seem odd, that's all. I'm sure everything will be figured out with time, but was just honestly curious.
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Well the developer works on it when he can. It works fine so we do have it. Will need a new one that can sign the boot image.
Magisk isn't officially support it since developer does not have the device.
New boot signing procedure had a fix in a day or two after Google release. That's not bad. Things are not perfect I agree. Multiple slots are making things the hardest I think.
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Probably security more than anything. Don't expect it to pick up anytime soon.
Haven't had a g phone since nexus ended.
How fast has rom development happened on previous pixel?
Coming from p20 pro and honestly this is the least excited I ever been for a new phone ??*
But exited to rom flash ?
As the prices for the Pixel phones have gone up, it seems the development for them has taken longer to ramp up. However, if you look at the 2 XL forums you'll see plenty of ROM, Magisk and kernel options. It just took a couple of months to really build.
I imagine it will be the same in this case. Over the next couple of weeks you'll see a ROM or two trickle in, along with a kernel or two. But give it a 2-3 months before things really start to scale up.
Also keep in mind that Android in 2018 is NOTHING like Android in 2012, or even Android in 2016. In stock form the Pixel with Android 9.0 is missing very little to be desired and is very well optimized. So I find myself enjoying it thoroughly in stock form until a good high quality kernel comes around. But the days of ROM flashing are behind me, for the most part.
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As the prices for the Pixel phones have gone up, it seems the development for them has taken longer to ramp up. However, if you look at the 2 XL forums you'll see plenty of ROM, Magisk and kernel options. It just took a couple of months to really build.
I imagine it will be the same in this case. Over the next couple of weeks you'll see a ROM or two trickle in, along with a kernel or two. But give it a 2-3 months before things really start to scale up.
Also keep in mind that Android in 2018 is NOTHING like Android in 2012, or even Android in 2016. In stock form the Pixel with Android 9.0 is missing very little to be desired and is very well optimized. So I find myself enjoying it thoroughly in stock form until a good high quality kernel comes around. But the days of ROM flashing are behind me, for the most part.
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This phone seems a little easier than 2XL.
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As the prices for the Pixel phones have gone up, it seems the development for them has taken longer to ramp up. However, if you look at the 2 XL forums you'll see plenty of ROM, Magisk and kernel options. It just took a couple of months to really build.
I imagine it will be the same in this case. Over the next couple of weeks you'll see a ROM or two trickle in, along with a kernel or two. But give it a 2-3 months before things really start to scale up.
Also keep in mind that Android in 2018 is NOTHING like Android in 2012, or even Android in 2016. In stock form the Pixel with Android 9.0 is missing very little to be desired and is very well optimized. So I find myself enjoying it thoroughly in stock form until a good high quality kernel comes around. But the days of ROM flashing are behind me, for the most part.
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Wow. Not what I wanted to hear and remember from the nexus days. Memory is getting foggy but I felt like kernels and ROMs were out BEFORE release of the devices..
Either I remember it wrong or the scene had truly faded ?
At this stage I almost feel like getting an iPhone for the same price with better memory management and faster app delivery.
Crazy thought ?
i miss smartbar so much right now... lmt is keeping me going until then
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Wow. Not what I wanted to hear and remember from the nexus days. Memory is getting foggy but I felt like kernels and ROMs were out BEFORE release of the devices..
Either I remember it wrong or the scene had truly faded ...
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It's not so much that the "scene has faded". It's more that Android has come a long way over the past couple of years. The big features people used to have to root to get are now baked right into stock Android. I'd argue that this is actually a great thing for Android. In fact, again referencing the Pixel 2 XL ROMs, you'll be hard pressed to find any ROM in that sub-forum that offers much more over stock Android other than being 'debloated' (as if the stock ROM has much bloat to begin with...) with a couple little features here and there.
Don't get me wrong, there are still solid reasons to at least unlock the bootloader. For instance, custom kernels like Franco or Elemental X still provide notable performance/battery life improvements over the stock kernel. And those should start becoming available for the 3 XL within a couple of weeks, if the timeline is similar to that of the previous Pixel line-ups.
And many people still love to tinker with Magisk modules for various add-ons. I don't do this, personally but Magisk is already available and if modules aren't ready yet, they will be shortly.
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At this stage I almost feel like getting an iPhone for the same price with better memory management and faster app delivery.
Crazy thought ?
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To each their own. I had a stint with the iPhone X between my 2 XL and OnePlus 6. The build quality of that phone is simply phenomenal. The speakers are fantastic and the haptic feedback engine is on a different level. But IOS is still just as locked down as it has ever been. I just couldn't get myself to fully enjoy IOS so I moved back to Android pretty quick. If you're looking for a phone that you can root/tinker with, the iPhone absolutely is not a good option for you.
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It's not so much that the "scene has faded". It's more that Android has come a long way over the past couple of years. The big features people used to have to root to get are now baked right into stock Android. I'd argue that this is actually a great thing for Android. In fact, again referencing the Pixel 2 XL ROMs, you'll be hard pressed to find any ROM in that sub-forum that offers much more over stock Android other than being 'debloated' (as if the stock ROM has much bloat to begin with...) with a couple little features here and there.
Don't get me wrong, there are still solid reasons to root. For instance, custom kernels like Franco or Elemental X still provide notable performance/battery life improvements over the stock kernel. And those should start becoming available for the 3 XL within a couple of weeks, if the timeline is similar to that of the previous Pixel line-ups.
And many people still love to tinker with Magisk modules for various add-ons. I don't do this, personally but Magisk is already available and if modules aren't ready yet, they will be shortly.
To each their own. I had a stint with the iPhone X between my 2 XL and OnePlus 6. The build quality of that phone is simply phenomenal. The speakers are fantastic and the haptic feedback engine is on a different level. But IOS is still just as locked down as it has ever been. I just couldn't get myself to fully enjoy IOS so I moved back to Android pretty quick. If you're looking for a phone that you can root/tinker with, the iPhone absolutely is not a good option for you.
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That's the beauty of Android. Choose your own setup. And that is why I am on android. I miss way to much customization to enjoy the vanilla experience.
I know this goes against the common sense but almost like emui more that I am on my p20 pro. It's bloated but it has RAM to handle it.
Truly miss the madness of the xposed booming too. Now there is hardly anything worth or at least very limited reason to go exposed and risk stability..
Haven't been on ios since 3gs but the walled garden was the reason I left. I know it hasn't changed but since I am staying more and more on stock so that's why I am thinking ios ??*
Just a guess....
Now that root is here, I'd guess two more weeks till TWRP drops.
Three weeks before custom stock ROM's start to show up.
And five-six weeks before the first beta non-supported Lineage OS ROM shows up.
Seven-eight weeks before the first non LOS custom ROM shows up.
Two and a half months before a really special, kick-ass fully-optioned custom ROM shows up.
Three-four months till a supported LOS ROM drops.
Like I said, just a guess.
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i miss smartbar so much right now... lmt is keeping me going until then
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How did you get lmt pie working may I ask?
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How did you get lmt pie working may I ask?
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What's the problem? Just installed the apk.
I'm actually good with rooted stock these days, but I'd love a good kernel.
Lmt works? That's funny because I got my PXL3 last week and didn't setup yet because I need nav menu bar. As you I miss smartbar. Can't wait.
dipstik said:
i miss smartbar so much right now... lmt is keeping me going until then
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Chronzy said:
What's the problem? Just installed the apk.
I'm actually good with rooted stock these days, but I'd love a good kernel.
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I did too but couldn't get the stock navbar to go away and let lmt work at the bottom of the screen... It would only work on the side.
And substratum lol gotta have the dark ui
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I did too but couldn't get the stock navbar to go away and let lmt work at the bottom of the screen... It would only work on the side.
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I did too but couldn't get the stock navbar to go away and let lmt work at the bottom of the screen... It would only work on the side.
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I see what you're saying, I only use it on the side. I believe you can hide it with substratum like mentioned, but I've never tried it.
CZ Eddie said:
Just a guess....
Now that root is here, I'd guess two more weeks till TWRP drops.
Three weeks before custom stock ROM's start to show up.
And five-six weeks before the first beta non-supported Lineage OS ROM shows up.
Seven-eight weeks before the first non LOS custom ROM shows up.
Two and a half months before a really special, kick-ass fully-optioned custom ROM shows up.
Three-four months till a supported LOS ROM drops.
Like I said, just a guess.
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CZ is the MAN!
Stock with a good kernel like Flash and maybe a tuning script is all I need. Then this phone will be perfect for me...
Kernels will appear next week, guessing....
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As the prices for the Pixel phones have gone up, it seems the development for them has taken longer to ramp up. However, if you look at the 2 XL forums you'll see plenty of ROM, Magisk and kernel options. It just took a couple of months to really build.
I imagine it will be the same in this case. Over the next couple of weeks you'll see a ROM or two trickle in, along with a kernel or two. But give it a 2-3 months before things really start to scale up.
Also keep in mind that Android in 2018 is NOTHING like Android in 2012, or even Android in 2016. In stock form the Pixel with Android 9.0 is missing very little to be desired and is very well optimized. So I find myself enjoying it thoroughly in stock form until a good high quality kernel comes around. But the days of ROM flashing are behind me, for the most part.
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good to see you around these parts!
I agree with everything you just said.
Coming from OP6 i didn't even feel the need to flash a new rom.
Magisk + modules was good enough. the most I flashed was a kernel lolz
There's a lot of custom ROMs out there on Telegram for the Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro but may someone direct me to where I can find all these ROMs? It used to be so easy finding ROMs and kernels on XDA but now devs moved away from it. Everything is buried under various chat groups on Telegram and it's honestly a pain trying to find them. So far, I know the following custom ROMs exist somewhere on the Internet:
CrDroid
LineageOS
SparkOS
HentaiOS
StatixOS
SuperiorOS
Most have moved to using Telegram for announcing. Google Pixel 7/7 Pro Updates, is the channel where you will find the d/l links. GL!
Yeah I stopped trusting custom ROMs since the HTC days. When they finally get everything working and all the kinks out im onto the next phone.
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Yeah I stopped trusting custom ROMs since the HTC days. When they finally get everything working and all the kinks out im onto the next phone.
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Battling the bugs That's half of the fun
Beggars can't be choosers. But my biggest issue with custom ROM's is that the devs never finish anything.
As soon as the next version of Android comes out, they move to that one instead of fixing the remaining issues with the previous Android version custom ROM.
I'd much rather have a ROM that just "works" without any weird random glitches.
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Beggars can't be choosers. But my biggest issue with custom ROM's is that the devs never finish anything.
As soon as the next version of Android comes out, they move to that one instead of fixing the remaining issues with the previous Android version custom ROM.
I'd much rather have a ROM that just "works" without any weird random glitches.
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Because the majority of 'devs' today are simply kangers who cherry pick a handful commits and call it a day. True devs are very few and far between.
Also, changes to the Android architecture and other security improvements have generally made the custom rom scene much less appealing with fairly significant downsides.
I miss the 2010-2012 days of Android.
I used custom ROMS for years, particularly on the old Galaxy phones with Cyanogenmod to get rid of Touchwiz.
However, given the vanilla nature of Pixel phones, I don't really see the point of them on these devices unless you really want to avoid Google's framework. It's all personal choice though, but speaking personally I'm more than happy with stock, albeit rooted.
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I miss the 2010-2012 days of Android.
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Fact!! Me too, when I was very active in the Dev scene, here and on the old SDX-Developers site but really, those ROM's focused mostly on customizing and removing bloatware. Custom Boot screens, fonts, colors, embedded logos, etc and other than the guys who were developing kernels - which don't require custom ROMs - and the early development of ARM and EXT4, customizing can be done with stand-alone apps now, and with Pixel phones, there is no real bloatware.
The only thing I really wish for is Recovery. I'm still blown away that the TWRP Project more or less abandoned the project over the last few years.
Can't speak for the pixel 7 pro, but I used custom roms basically the whole time I had a smartphone.
The last years it was for Xiaomi phones and on those I wanted them badly to get rid of muiu and/or the stock installation.
On my last phone (mi 9t) the roms / TWRP got so annoying that I bought the 7pro. Honestly the mist was fine for me. I wanted a better camera, but everything else was fine by me. The roms though weren't bearable anymore.
I switched to pixel to avoid those ... Stock it is. I didn't even root it, as lately I only used root for blocking adds and for that there are other ways ...
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Fact!! Me too, when I was very active in the Dev scene, here and on the old SDX-Developers site but really, those ROM's focused mostly on customizing and removing bloatware. Custom Boot screens, fonts, colors, embedded logos, etc and other than the guys who were developing kernels - which don't require custom ROMs - and the early development of ARM and EXT4, customizing can be done with stand-alone apps now, and with Pixel phones, there is no real bloatware.
The only thing I really wish for is Recovery. I'm still blown away that the TWRP Project more or less abandoned the project over the last few years.
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CWM and TWRP are a god send in the custom ROM world. I think part of the reason the project got abandoned is due to Google locking down Android. I can't even remove system apps now.
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CWM and TWRP are a god send in the custom ROM world. I think part of the reason the project got abandoned is due to Google locking down Android. I can't even remove system apps now.
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Yeah, true. The best option is to freeze them, and then find a mod to hide them. Another funny thing is that if you ran AOSP, it was like being a computer user that uses Linux instead of windows. Like me lol!
@Poerger the funny thing is the last custom ROMS I ran were on the Nexus 6, and I was part of a development team that was porting over MIUI. Lol. That was my preferred set up on several phones.