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Hey guys,
I am a bit intrigued at the new Google TV 2.0 Honeycomb release soon. I don't have Google TV but was looking into it recently with these announcements. My main question is, would adding a Logitech Revue for $100 be worth it? And furthermore, would having the TF add in the experience or could I just do everything I can now with the TF and not Google TV? Hopefully this makes sense!
I don't watch a lot of youtube
I technically have a Netflix acct.
I would like to cut the chord to cable, but I need my espn and Phillies on comcast!!! (I have Fios)
Hopefully this makes sense. I was thinking the TF could maybe control Google TV down the road with some app development, or possible wireless connectivity with the Logitech so I could run some things through the TF and into the TV without hooking the HDMI cable up and having the tablet sitting under my TV and not on my lap?
Thanks for the suggestions and any tips or hints!
there are controllers in the marketplace, IIRC they work over wifi but could be wrong.
I'm also interested in a revue WHEN they actually get the update. It's hard for me to cut the cable cord, but very close to it when they charge close to $70/mo for basic cable, and have forced me to use digital boxes on every tv set. (they used to broadcast "analog" HD on say the x.1 channels, but even that's gone).
AFAIK Google TV is just a special HDTV that has Android and Internet oriented video stuff for it, like YouTube. It's been recently announced to be getting accesss to the Android Market soon if memory serves.
Personally, if you already have a TF and an HDTV I would just use an HDMI/MiniHDMI cable. At least here, the only value I can see would be if I wanted an HDTV; XFinity and a 22" monitor does fine.
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First off, Google TV is a very different experience from Android on a tablet. It's a non-touch, large screen, 10-foot interface. The same experience cannot be seen by just plugging your Transformer into the HDMI jack.
From a chord cutting standpoint, it may serve that purpose for you depending on how you want to use it, but it's primary design is to sit between your TV and cable box (at least for the Revue, and the Sony devices are similar). This adds a good amount of searchability to your channels, as well as being able to aggregate and sort currently playing movies. The Netflix and YouTube apps are also an obvious boon for this platform. Pandora likewise, but to a lesser degree.
What is really interesting is the communication you can have between your phone or tablet and the GTV device. The full remote is available as an app, and it works great (plus it's open source). In the future I could see this as a potential gaming platform (imagine playing Texas Hold'em where the table is on your TV and your hand is on your phone), but until there is major developer support expect it to primarily be good for media consumption and light internet browsing. It remains to be seen how much devs pick up the platform, but as a current user and dev I hope it goes a long way.
I haven't had cable for over three years, even so I bit the bullet when the Logitech Revue was $300 (I should have waited a little longer) to check it out. I love my Revue now and can't wait until the update.
As it is now, there isn't much integration with the Transformer (or any tablet) with GTV. But since it will be running Android 3.0 and have the Market, more and more will be developed for it. Like another poster mentioned, there is a wifi GTV controller on the Market now.
Thanks for all of the comments.
I certainly understand what GTV does I was just curious as to your experiences and if at all you have integrated your TF into the mix. Hopefully in a little while the devs will get into this platform and really make it shine.
The remote apps look cool too. Seems like they have some extra additions over the keyboard of the revue?
What would really be nice is to wirelessly stream videos/photos to your tv from the TF and or phone.
npompei said:
Thanks for all of the comments.
I certainly understand what GTV does I was just curious as to your experiences and if at all you have integrated your TF into the mix. Hopefully in a little while the devs will get into this platform and really make it shine.
The remote apps look cool too. Seems like they have some extra additions over the keyboard of the revue?
What would really be nice is to wirelessly stream videos/photos to your tv from the TF and or phone.
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I'm sure that wouldn't be hard to get done, if it isn't already (or at least being worked on). Since it is running honeycomb and you can get GTV for $100 now, I think after the update hits we'll see a lot of developers working on GTV stuff.
Logitech Revue GTV was my very first Android device (in a household of 10 android devices). I love it. I don't know if the reviewers actually spent enough time using it in their own living room. I bought it used and the original owner already updated it, so the root backdoor was close. It would be much better with the update. I chose it over Roku and the other devices. Though once in a while I do comparisons of features, I'm still happy with my decision. The family can use it easily too.
My DVD and TV have Netflix too, but the GTV Netflix app is tons better. My worst gripe with GTV is the TV schedule/playing-now interface, which could be done differently for better usability.
There is a few controller apps on the market. I don't really use them because the BT keyboard and my Harmony remote work fine for that purpose.
There is logitech harmony remote on the market that integrates into the revue nicely. I have it on my phone and tf.
It also acts as a remote for my cable and stereo. And it is free.
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if google could sign a contract with someone and get ESPN, local channels, FX, TBS and the more common channels to stream live, i would sign up with google TV in a heartbeat and dump fios.
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I'm sure that wouldn't be hard to get done, if it isn't already (or at least being worked on). Since it is running honeycomb and you can get GTV for $100 now, I think after the update hits we'll see a lot of developers working on GTV stuff.
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As far as AirPlay like functionality, it's harder than you'd think. There is a protocol for direct IP to IP communication between the devices, but as far as streaming media from one device to the other it's a bit tricky. DLNA is currently the best choice, but it's a bit tricky to set up. What would be nice is if you could use an Intent to share to the Remote app from Gallery or someplace, and then have the Remote app set up the DLNA connection for you, but it would be fairly involved on both ends.
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if google could sign a contract with someone and get ESPN, local channels, FX, TBS and the more common channels to stream live, i would sign up with google TV in a heartbeat and dump fios.
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GTV isn't a replacement for cable/satellite, so your post is really meaningless. GTV isn't subscription based, it is a one time fee to buy the hardware.
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As far as AirPlay like functionality, it's harder than you'd think. There is a protocol for direct IP to IP communication between the devices, but as far as streaming media from one device to the other it's a bit tricky. DLNA is currently the best choice, but it's a bit tricky to set up. What would be nice is if you could use an Intent to share to the Remote app from Gallery or someplace, and then have the Remote app set up the DLNA connection for you, but it would be fairly involved on both ends.
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I don't think it'd be as difficult as you're making it out to be. Obviously difficult enough that I couldn't develop such a thing, but there are people with experience in this type of stuff that would be able to figure it out
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GTV isn't a replacement for cable/satellite, so your post is really meaningless. GTV isn't subscription based, it is a one time fee to buy the hardware.
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i know what GTV is. Hence why I was saying that IF were able to sign some contracts with ESPN and others to do a live stream of the channels, i would dump cable and pay to go to GTV. It would be a way google could make $ and provide an awesome service to standard cable which now is dominated by comcast and fios.
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if google could sign a contract with someone and get ESPN, local channels, FX, TBS and the more common channels to stream live, i would sign up with google TV in a heartbeat and dump fios.
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Google has its own channels/programs being cooked up for YouTube.
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i know what GTV is. Hence why I was saying that IF were able to sign some contracts with ESPN and others to do a live stream of the channels, i would dump cable and pay to go to GTV. It would be a way google could make $ and provide an awesome service to standard cable which now is dominated by comcast and fios.
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but that makes no sense. those networks would charge money, so google would have to charge us monthly. it's two completely different products which is why your post makes zero sense.
also you left out a few cable companies. Time Warner (really big one), Cox (not as big but still serves many markets), AT&T U-Verse
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but that makes no sense. those networks would charge money, so google would have to charge us monthly. it's two completely different products which is why your post makes zero sense.
also you left out a few cable companies. Time Warner (really big one), Cox (not as big but still serves many markets), AT&T U-Verse
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It makes perfect sense... add premium content. Give me what I want, and make it cheaper than the cable company, and I'm IN.
$70/mo for basic cable here. I'm about to cut the cord regardless.
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First off, Google TV is a very different experience from Android on a tablet. It's a non-touch, large screen, 10-foot interface. The same experience cannot be seen by just plugging your Transformer into the HDMI jack.
From a chord cutting standpoint, it may serve that purpose for you depending on how you want to use it, but it's primary design is to sit between your TV and cable box (at least for the Revue, and the Sony devices are similar). This adds a good amount of searchability to your channels, as well as being able to aggregate and sort currently playing movies. The Netflix and YouTube apps are also an obvious boon for this platform. Pandora likewise, but to a lesser degree.
What is really interesting is the communication you can have between your phone or tablet and the GTV device. The full remote is available as an app, and it works great (plus it's open source). In the future I could see this as a potential gaming platform (imagine playing Texas Hold'em where the table is on your TV and your hand is on your phone), but until there is major developer support expect it to primarily be good for media consumption and light internet browsing. It remains to be seen how much devs pick up the platform, but as a current user and dev I hope it goes a long way.
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I have a modified version of the app that i posted for free over at gtvhacker if interested. works fine on tf portrait and landscape.
http://forum.gtvhacker.com/apps-and-suggestions/topic146.html
syntrix said:
It makes perfect sense... add premium content. Give me what I want, and make it cheaper than the cable company, and I'm IN.
$70/mo for basic cable here. I'm about to cut the cord regardless.
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But that isn't the purpose of Google TV. So no, it makes ZERO sense. Again, stop trying to turn Google TV into something it probably never will be. Cut the cord to cable, you don't need it. Just about everything you watch on TV is available on the internet. I haven't had cable for over three years.
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But that isn't the purpose of Google TV. So no, it makes ZERO sense. Again, stop trying to turn Google TV into something it probably never will be. Cut the cord to cable, you don't need it. Just about everything you watch on TV is available on the internet. I haven't had cable for over three years.
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Legally? in HD? me thinks you exagerate ;-)
A lot of crap that people watch is. If you're more interested in movies that are not so recent, it is more challenging. If you have e.g. XFinity or are willing to pay a bit, plenty of stuff can be had.
The only reason I would have to pay the cable company, they give like 3 or 6 times the speed I could get using my phone as a modem.
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Your Android phone isn't just for widgets, talking, Google Now and photos. It can also be one of the world's best gaming platforms, if you're willing to spend a little time on it.
Once the domain of tinkerers and super-nerds, Android devices have exploded in popularity over the last couple of years, spurred on by the emergence of superphones like the Samsung Galaxy S 4, HTC One and Google's own Nexus 4.
Despite this increase, there remains the perception that - at least in terms of gaming - Android phones are somehow a step behind the iPhone. That things like piracy, a lack of apps and convoluted system specs are hindering the development of games on the platform.
I'm here to tell you this is bull****. Chances are that if you own an Android phone, and picked it up within the last 18 months, you've got in your pocket a silent killer in terms of portable gaming.
Below you'll find four steps you can follow to turn that humble little smartphone into something a little more gamey.
1. USE GOOGLE PLAY
Well, duh. But if you're a new user, or someone contemplating making the switch, this is important.
Android users have a bad reputation for pirating software, including games, and in many ways that's a fair assumption. Pirating games for the platform is way too easy.
Don't be that guy.
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You'll even find some hot exclusives. Kairosoft's entire catalogue of addictive-as-hell management games is on the Play Store, for example, while only a handful have ever made it to the App Store.
Seriously, there are enough quality games on there already that we could end the guide right here and you'd be set. Luckily, we're not ending the guide here.
Those remaining developers who either delay bringing their games to Android, or don't do it at all, usually cite piracy as one of the big concerns. The more people actually pay for apps and games on Android, the more of these developers will be encouraged to bring their wares to the platform. So do it.
2. GO RETRO
Let's say you want to play something more substantial than most mobile titles can offer. Or a classic game from your childhood that, for better or worse, isn't available on the Play Store. The great thing about Android phones is that you can still play these games, and it's a lot easier - and more legal - than you might think.
Two of the most popular means of running old PC games on modern systems - DOSBox (for old DOS games) and ScummVM (for old adventure games) - both have versions available for Android devices.
Before we go any further, then, you're going to need install these three applications:
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ScummVM for Android
DOSBox Turbo for Android
DOSBox Manager
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What DOSBox Manager does is let you create a quicklaunch screen for the games, so instead of having to enter command prompts every time you want to play a game (which is normally how DOSBox works), you just tap some box art, same as a regular app/game.
If you need help using DOSBox Turbo and/or getting your games running, the best place to start is the app's site, which has helpful (and easy to understand) walkthroughs and guides.
ScummVM is an easier proposition, but if you have trouble setting it up, the official guide gives you a great walkthrough on getting set up.
A word of caution, though: be careful which games you bring over. Your phone has limited inputs, most likely just a touchscreen, so trying to play a fast-paced RTS or shooter might not be the best idea. Slower, mouse-driven genres like adventure and turn-based strategy are a good place to start.
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Unless, that is, you want to...
3. GET A CONTROLLER (OR USE A MOUSE)
It sounds crazy, I know. Buying an external controller for your phone defeats the entire point of playing games on a portable device. But the fact of the matter is, as phones become more powerful, phone games become more powerful, and it's a tragedy that people try to play something like Real Racing using touchscreen or tilt controls. Stick a pad on there and some of these newer games will feel like a console game, instead of just looking like one.
There's also the benefit it brings to the retro games you'll be playing. Use a gamepad and suddenly all those amazing old shooters are playable. Connect a bluetooth mouse to your phone and anything you can't play with a pad, you can probably play with it.
Doing this is pretty simple; provided they don't need drivers, Android natively supports bluetooth peripherals, including keyboards, mice and control pads. It'll even display a mouse cursor if it detects one. Just find your phone's bluetooth settings and pair it up.
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To save you buying a gamepad, there's an app that lets you connect a PS3 pad to an Android device (though note: your phone needs to be rooted for this to work). Alternatively, you can sync a Wii Remote, since it also connects via Bluetooth (and can be configured with this app).
Again, this might sound crazy since you can do this a lot more easily on a regular computer, but consider this: old PC games weren't designed to run on giant 23" desktop monitors. You either stretch their visuals until they look like garbage, or run them in a window.
Phone screens, though, are at the cutting edge. Relatively tiny yet packing amazing colours and now sometimes even 1080p resolution, they breathe new life into your old games. Trust me, fire up something like Colonization or X-Com on a contemporary phone and it'll look better than ever.
4. GET A BIGGER BATTERY (OR BATTERY PACK)
The one major downside to the crop of modern Android smartphones is that, almost to the last, they've got terrible battery life. Most can barely last a single day, even with infrequent use. If you're planning on playing a game at home, that's not a problem, but let's be honest, how often will you be playing a phone game at home?
Running 3D graphics - or even just leaving a big bright screen on for long stretches - will kill your battery. So if you're serious about gaming on your Android phone, you should think about getting a bigger battery (if your phone supports removable batteries) or an external battery case/charging pack (if it doesn't).
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5. SIGN UP TO ONLIVE
It's easy to forget about the company these days after all the problems it went through last year, but streaming service OnLive is still around, and it works on Android devices. Your mileage may vary depending on your device - it's more suited to tablets than phones - but if you've got a gamepad solution for your phone, and your connection is fast enough to pull it off, you can play all kinds of games that would normally never be available on the platform..
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*Lifehacker
Great guide. Bought a NES controller and female USB to microUSB a few weeks ago. Waiting for them to be shipped! Will tell you how it works when I have them in use.
i have my OTG cable but sad to say i don't have ps3 or wii.. hehehehe..
thanks for a great info!
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I've got a moga pocket controller its great and more and more games are getting supported. My GS4 clips right into the phone holder and im off.
Specially the onlive thing, gotta love it.
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Awesome guide! I can vouch for DosBox Turbo. I have about 50+ games installed and regularly play Warcraft II networked multi-player with my buddies on their Android devices.
anyone actually get scummvm to work? i couldn't get it to recognise any games no matter what i tried.
Gloris said:
anyone actually get scummvm to work? i couldn't get it to recognise any games no matter what i tried.
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Working perfectly for me.
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What folder structure and file type did you use? I tried zip files I tried unzipping them. Tried putting them in various folders but I can't get it to recognise any games.
We are doing just that with our new product Ingeo.
We want to turn any Android phone into a TV game console.
It is an HDMI dock and a wireless controller.
Check it out here
Any difference using it?
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I 've a Razer Onza
But when i connect to my s4 it does not work
Can you show me how to connect that controller to my S4
Thanks so much
duythanh90 said:
I 've a Razer Onza
But when i connect to my s4 it does not work
Can you show me how to connect that controller to my S4
Thanks so much
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Using OTG cable. It's that simple
"Thanks button is just to avoid "THANKS" posts in threads. Nothing more than that. Don't ask in signature or post for it and defeat the purpose why it was introduced"
For $100 more you get 16gb more internal storage (apps2sd is not much help), and an amazing display with same chipset. Gamepads work fine with Android 4.1 on up. More battery life too.
If the Shield drops another $50 for the holidays, I will lean more back to Shield. Already have several tablets, so Shield would be a better device fit perhaps. Unless I sell some tablets.
I prefer Asus tablet.
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Your best question is, do you play PC games or just want to play Android games?
darkjedi said:
Your best question is, do you play PC games or just want to play Android games?
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Maybe not the best question since both can be done on the shield. Also the Shield most likely will still run games better due to its lower native res.
I'm guessing since the tablet will also sport the tegra 4 chipset, won't it be possible to also stream games to it the same way shield does?
pear or apple... eat what you want... they are different mate, shield is for gaming, you can't use it in portrait.. or at least not as easy any device; the tablet well, its a tablet.
I can use a controller for the tablet and it has more storage for games. Still, the Shield is more gamey of course in design.
I wish Best Buy had these or Gamestop had demos.
I have a tablet, phone and the Shield. The shield is the best portable android gaming device in my opinion. Sure it may have cost more than my other two devices but I wanted the best handheld emulator available and this is it.
georaldc said:
Maybe not the best question since both can be done on the shield. Also the Shield most likely will still run games better due to its lower native res.
I'm guessing since the tablet will also sport the tegra 4 chipset, won't it be possible to also stream games to it the same way shield does?
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It is if you play PC games. Because you can't really easily do that with a tablet. But if you don't game on PC, then just use the tablet with a controller. Me, I *love* the game streaming. I can be on the couch or in bed and play my PC games. How awesome is that?
The shield is a tablet and at the same time it isn't. If you think your going to be doing more tablet specific things that a true tablet would do better then go with the tablet, if how ever you want an android device built for gaming(which is a big difference from a tablet that was converted to play games) and would enjoy a great way to play games on a handheld divice whilst also enjoying most of the perks of a tablet, then get the Sheild.
Tablets:
Pro: Bigger screen, longer batter
Con: can be less portable, not as handy for games, can be cumbersome to handle.
Shield:
Pro: Quick and easy game play, very comfortable for long periods of times. true hardware buttons/joystick.
Con: smaller screen, not as easy to control touch based applications,
You must yield the power of the shield it is as awesome device and i replaced my tablet for just one device to rule them all.
jutley said:
You must yield the power of the shield it is as awesome device and i replaced my tablet for just one device to rule them all.
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yes, I traded in my xoom2 and 3ds to get shield. I figured in two or three years the shield will emulate 3ds games, but then ill have a shield 2 by then.
Any sign of a sleep bleed and throttle fix yet?
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Any sign of a sleep bleed and throttle fix yet?
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I've been seeing a suggestion of using a live wallpaper that uses gpu resources to keep your shield from downclocking after it wakes up. Haven't tried it out yet though.
That would help the throttle, but reduce battery life and not help the bleed in sleep mode.
Nvidia better be pronto on a fix.
A tablet and a shield are two completely different things. The only thing they have in common is that they both run android. I would suggest having a tablet for productivity and a shield as a gaming device.
A shield is definitely not a tablet replacement, but it can work as a great android desktop/media device if you hook it up to your monitor with a mouse in keyboard.
There is in issue with HDMI lag but Iv not tested this. Probably an update would fix it.
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I've been seeing a suggestion of using a live wallpaper that uses gpu resources to keep your shield from downclocking after it wakes up. Haven't tried it out yet though.
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I have been playing with a pabndaboard es for a while and all android builds I have used on it run slow as......but when I switch to a live wallpaper it improves. Also on the pandaboard not using a live wallpaper makes android crash.
nielo360 said:
A tablet and a shield are two completely different things. The only thing they have in common is that they both run android. I would suggest having a tablet for productivity and a shield as a gaming device.
A shield is definitely not a tablet replacement, but it can work as a great android desktop/media device if you hook it up to your monitor with a mouse in keyboard.
There is in issue with HDMI lag but Iv not tested this. Probably an update would fix it.
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It is a tablet replacement IF you only bought the tablet for games like I did.
I have both Shield and Asus Transformer. The Shield is the most revolutionary gaming thing I've seen in a while. I would get the shield, put on some emulators, and you have access to 10,000 games in your hand
What asus tablet is it ?
I see I forgot to mention what I would buy IF i were looking to get one of these two devices. I already have the SHIELD, but I were to make this choice right NOW knowing what I know now.
I would buy the ASUS tablet, as the shield is crap, nvidia is pointing the finger at everyone other then nvidia for every shield problem out there. Have a problem with the geforce drivers needed for shield streaming? Here is nvidia's response "steam needs to fix it". Would you like to make a suggestion for some you would like to see added? Send in a bug report, we will add "new" features based on a bug report for something that is not currently in the software.
Everything works fine other then games on the shield, and the Geforce drivers for shield streaming. If you don't try and play games on the shield it works okay. If you don't install the geforce drivers for shield streaming PC games play great.
chevyowner said:
I see I forgot to mention what I would buy IF i were looking to get one of these two devices. I already have the SHIELD, but I were to make this choice right NOW knowing what I know now.
I would buy the ASUS tablet, as the shield is crap, nvidia is pointing the finger at everyone other then nvidia for every shield problem out there. Have a problem with the geforce drivers needed for shield streaming? Here is nvidia's response "steam needs to fix it". Would you like to make a suggestion for some you would like to see added? Send in a bug report, we will add "new" features based on a bug report for something that is not currently in the software.
Everything works fine other then games on the shield, and the Geforce drivers for shield streaming. If you don't try and play games on the shield it works okay. If you don't install the geforce drivers for shield streaming PC games play great.
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Sorry to hear about your streaming experience but the Shield is most definitely not crap. Mine streams just fine the few times I have tried it. I use it for android games and emulators. It works fantastically for this. I have owned at least 7 different Android tablets and none of them can play games like the shield can. I currently use a Nexus 10 and a Nexus 7 (2013) both of which are great tablets but cannot play games with them like the Shield. I also have a Rocketfish Miracast receiver and use it stream android games to my TV. The only problem I have with the device is screen resolution (needs to be 1080p) and screen size. I wish the size was a bit bigger but I realize they were trying to match the controller size. The resolution however, they could easily get a 5" 1080p screen. The battery life is very good and the Tegra 4 is blazing fast.
Hi there,
I recently purchased the pistol for this FPS game from a discount store for the not-so princely sum of 99p. When I got home and scanned the QR code on the box to install the game I was greeted with the the following message in the Play Store: "Your device isn't compatible with this version." This seemed a little strange as the pistol box provides the following minimum specifications:
"Selected phones running Google Android 2.3.3, 1GHz processor, 512MB RAM with back-facing camera. Note: Phones must support iPhone-compatible headphones with built-in microphone..."
I have a Cubot One-S running Android 4.2.2 that has a 1.2GHz quad-core processor, 1GB RAM, back-facing camera and it is perfectly capable of using any 3.5mm jack headphones with a built in microphone. Looking at the comments on the Play Store page for the game I am not the only person having this problem; people with newer, branded phones also can't install the game.
The discount store has a shelf full of them so I imagine there will be some disappointed kids this Xmas!
Anyway, is there any known way to force this game to install using something like a compatibility mode in Android?
I tried posting links but due to having fewer than 10 posts I was not able to. However, if you search for "Elite CommandAR" in the play store it is the first result.
I have tried contacting the developer (Wowwee) but, like others who have tried, I have not received a response. It also appears from the Play Store comments that these pistols are currently being sold in some 99c stores in the US as well as some £1 shops in the UK. The pistol connects via the headphone socket so it seems the pistol controls are sent to the phone via audio; the pistol has a holder for the phone and it would seem moving the pistol aims/moves within the game. It would probably be quite cool if I could get it work!
If not, maybe one of the developer's here wouldn't mind spending 99c/99p on one of the pistols and developing their own FPS game(s) for it; I have a feeling there will be a glut of useless CommandAR pistols in people's hands very soon!
So the Forge TV was presented at CES and I'm pretty interested at his ability to stream game from the pc, even if it's not an high-end one. But the software use for the stream, Razer Cortex: Stream, will cost 40$ which I find pretty annoying. Let's hope that it can be install on the Nexus Player. And maybe with the introduction of this device it will give abump to the development of AndroidTV which is on the neutral. Any thoughs?
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So the Forge TV was presented at CES and I'm pretty interested at his ability to stream game from the pc, even if it's not an high-end one. But the software use for the stream, Razer Cortex: Stream, will cost 40$ which I find pretty annoying. Let's hope that it can be install on the Nexus Player. And maybe with the introduction of this device it will give abump to the development of AndroidTV which is on the neutral. Any thoughs?
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It might give it a bump, just like Sony's, Sharp's, and Phillips' TVs. Also, you can bet that Steam's streaming will work on Android TV.
I'm not interested in the Razer Cortex, though, because it will likely break due to Razer's commitment to manufacturing quality hardware.
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So the Forge TV was presented at CES and I'm pretty interested at his ability to stream game from the pc, even if it's not an high-end one. But the software use for the stream, Razer Cortex: Stream, will cost 40$ which I find pretty annoying. Let's hope that it can be install on the Nexus Player. And maybe with the introduction of this device it will give abump to the development of AndroidTV which is on the neutral. Any thoughs?
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Limelight (free on Play Store) works perfectly for streaming PC games to my TV via the Nexus Player. FYI. It taps into the Nvidia API used by the Shield devices, so you do need an Nvidia card to use it... but it works great.
ktownhero said:
Limelight (free on Play Store) works perfectly for streaming PC games to my TV via the Nexus Player. FYI. It taps into the Nvidia API used by the Shield devices, so you do need an Nvidia card to use it... but it works great.
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I know this option but it works only with GTX cards (600 and up) and mine is a GT 750m.
cityle said:
So the Forge TV was presented at CES and I'm pretty interested at his ability to stream game from the pc, even if it's not an high-end one. But the software use for the stream, Razer Cortex: Stream, will cost 40$ which I find pretty annoying. Let's hope that it can be install on the Nexus Player. And maybe with the introduction of this device it will give abump to the development of AndroidTV which is on the neutral. Any thoughs?
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I agree that the $40 price is annoying but razer is a company and unless you want them to come out with their own App store (i dont want that) then they need to make their money other ways.
$40 for Streaming Service
$120 for Keyboard and Mouse
$80 for the Controller
$99 for the Device
$150 for Device and Controller
What im a bit concern with is that this is an ARM device and the Nexus Player is an Intel Device. which might cause some fragmentation. Plenty of apps that worked fine on the Ouya/Mojo/FireTV dont work on the Nexus Player. If this device didnt have google cast and android tv i wouldnt even consider purchasing especially after my experience with the Mojo from Madcatz (another gaming hardware company).
Also im a bit curious with their reasoning for using a snapdragon processor instead of an Nvidia K1/X1 or going with an Intel chip espcially since Intel is one of their major investors.
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What im a bit concern with is that this is an ARM device and the Nexus Player is an Intel Device. which might cause some fragmentation. Plenty of apps that worked fine on the Ouya/Mojo/FireTV dont work on the Nexus Player.
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The majority of apps not "working" on the Nexus Player have to do more with availability (developer needs to flag it for Lollipop and/or Android TV compatibility) than x86 vs. ARM. Android's runtime handles the compatibility between x86 and ARM (hence why the ARM version of Kodi works just fine on the Nexus Player, among many other examples). Granted, there is a performance hit running ARM code on x86, but compatibility issues have largely been negated.
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Also im a bit curious with their reasoning for using a snapdragon processor instead of an Nvidia K1/X1 or going with an Intel chip espcially since Intel is one of their major investors.
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SOC cost. You're not getting a Tegra K1 box for $99, unless the OEM wants to forgo any profit. I'm willing to bet the profit margin on this box alone is fairly thin, with the majority of their profit being made up by accessories.
Sure, they could have probably sold a Tegra K1 box with 64GB of storage for about $179. However, people aren't spending more than $99 on a streaming box today. For that kind of price they want a legit console (Xbox 360 is $180/$250 retail for 4GB/500GB versions, PS3 is $200/$250 for 12GB/500GB).
And no, they can't sell a 500GB HDD-based Android TV for $250. Sony and MS sell their hardware at a well documented loss because they get a cut of EVERY game and licenced accessory sold for it. Razer isn't getting a cut of anything other than their own hardware.
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The majority of apps not "working" on the Nexus Player have to do more with availability (developer needs to flag it for Lollipop and/or Android TV compatibility) than x86 vs. ARM. Android's runtime handles the compatibility between x86 and ARM (hence why the ARM version of Kodi works just fine on the Nexus Player, among many other examples). Granted, there is a performance hit running ARM code on x86, but compatibility issues have largely been negated.
SOC cost. You're not getting a Tegra K1 box for $99, unless the OEM wants to forgo any profit. I'm willing to bet the profit margin on this box alone is fairly thin, with the majority of their profit being made up by accessories.
Sure, they could have probably sold a Tegra K1 box with 64GB of storage for about $179. However, people aren't spending more than $99 on a streaming box today. For that kind of price they want a legit console (Xbox 360 is $180/$250 retail for 4GB/500GB versions, PS3 is $200/$250 for 12GB/500GB).
And no, they can't sell a 500GB HDD-based Android TV for $250. Sony and MS sell their hardware at a well documented loss because they get a cut of EVERY game and licenced accessory sold for it. Razer isn't getting a cut of anything other than their own hardware.
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Snail Games Obox will be shipping with a Tegra K1. Starting price would be $100.
mejdam said:
Snail Games Obox will be shipping with a Tegra K1. Starting price would be $100.
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The Obox will be available in numerous configurations, of which a Tegra K1 was one option (they fail to specify if K1 or K1 Denver, which are two different SOCs). Also, this nugget followed:
Though retail prices aren't yet available, a representative said they could range from $99 to $499 depending on the model.
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I don't see them offering their highest end SOC in their cheapest model. Do you? Also, keep in mind that they announced that this is an Android box, not an Android TV device (just a note, as this comment has no bearing on your $99 Tegra STB comment).
However, it's a possibility that they could launch in China only at a conversion rate below $99. That's EASY to do given exchange rates and the fact that Chinese OEMs rarely pay hardware/software/codec licensing costs. Or, they could pull an Ouya. Remember, Ouya shocked everyone with their $99 Tegra 3-based STB...but by the time it hit widespread availability, Tegra 4 was already in full swing. Not so impressive. I just don't see Obox having a competitive $99 hardware option at mass retail availability within 1 sales quarter of the Razer Forge TV.
In time, we'll see if you're right. I hope that you are, but suspect that you're not.
The only think appealing to me about this device is the 16gb storage, the qualcomm processor on it is lacking compared to the Intel 64 Bit processor, soon enough we'll have good app2sd and this wont be an issue
defconoi said:
The only think appealing to me about this device is the 16gb storage, the qualcomm processor on it is lacking compared to the Intel 64 Bit processor, soon enough we'll have good app2sd and this wont be an issue
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Really, for game streaming all the work is being done on the PC and you're just receiving a video stream. I'm not sure there will be much a difference between the 805 and intel CPU. I have the 805 on my Turbo and use limelight it works great over wifi (AC 433). I imagine it will be just as good or better over gigabit. I am curious to see how AC is implemented though. Like I said the 805 on my Turbo connects at 433mbps or if the use a better implementation at 867mbps like the NP.