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(CNET) -- Microsoft has made some stumbles in the mobile world, but a strategy shift made more than a year ago will soon pay dividends, the company's top Windows Mobile executive said in an interview with CNET News.
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Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer discusses his Windows Mobile offerings earlier this month at CES in Las Vegas.
Andy Lees, the executive brought over from the server unit a year ago, said that Microsoft's efforts to make sure that its mobile software could run on a wide range of phones resulted in an operating system that failed to take advantage of advances in hardware.
"We aimed to go for a lower common denominator," Lees said. Microsoft was also limited by the origins of Windows Mobile, which was developed to power handheld computers that neither connected to a network nor handled voice.
"We started out when we were in PDAs (personal digital assistants) and then a phone got strapped to the back of the PDA," Lees said. The company also failed to recognize that phones--even those that were used for business--were still as much personal as they were professional.
Meanwhile, Apple and Google have joined the fray with operating systems designed from the ground up to take advantage of the latest in phone technology.
But Lees said that Microsoft embarked on a new strategy some time ago that will come to fruition over the next 18 months. The first steps in that strategy, he said, will be announced at the Mobile World Congress conference that takes place in Barcelona in the middle of next month.
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"You are going to see a bunch of announcements at Mobile World Congress but also it is going to be the beginning of a 12-, 18-month period where you are going to see a whole bunch of different stuff," Lees said.
Part of Microsoft's new strategy, Lees said, is not relying on operating system upgrades to improve its products. The new approach, while still making money by selling a mobile operating system, places considerable focus on services that help connect the phone to the PC and Web as well as devices such as the Xbox.
Microsoft has two separate teams at work on the services piece. One is Microsoft's Windows Live group, while the other is a rather secretive group headed by former Mac unit head Roz Ho--a group that also includes the team Microsoft acquired when it bought Danger. Lees declined to say specifically what Ho is up to, however.
But Lees acknowledged the company also needs to improve that core operating system, which is widely seen as lagging that of most of its rivals.
For some time now, Microsoft has been working on a significant overhaul of its operating system, known as Windows Mobile 7. However, that project has hit delays, prompting Microsoft to push forward with an interim update, Windows Mobile 6.5, which the company is widely expected to detail next month. Lees declined to comment specifically on either version of the operating system, but promised the company would have more to say on the OS front in Barcelona.
Lees also promised that Microsoft would start working more closely with hardware makers. He pointed to deals late last year with LG and Samsung.
He noted that the power of the kinds of phones that come out next year will be incredible, well beyond even today's devices. Phones next year will have dual-core processors, super-fast data connections, and graphics power rivaling that of the original Xbox.
"That's a phenomenal thing on a phone," he said. The phones of the future will also have location information beyond just GPS sensors. "It will know where it is pointing, it will know which angle it is being held at."
Web browsing has been another weak spot for Microsoft. The company made up some ground late last year with a pocket browser that essentially crams the desktop Internet Explorer 6 into a Windows Mobile phone. But it lacks the kind of easy zooming and gesture recognition present on the iPhone or in Palm's Pre. Lees promised that Microsoft would surpass those interfaces by the end of the year.
Lees would not confirm details of a rumored rival to Apple's App Store, reportedly known as SkyMarket.
"There is some question whether we can more directly connect the developer and the end user," he said. "We're looking at that."
Apple dismissed the notion that Microsoft and others are catching up to the iPhone, however.
On a conference call with analysts last week, Apple CFO Peter Oppenheimer dismissed the growing competition from rivals saying Apple remained "years ahead" in the phone business.
"Our competitors are scrambling to try and copy our success," he said.

great post and informative. hope they really deliver.

Good scoop! MS needs to put their ideas in to high gear actions now!!

The problem is not Microsoft - their operating system is ok.
However, they have never committed to an end to end device: the iphone is more usable in about every instance - my 2 year old son can use an iphone and yet I still have problems using my Windows Mobile device.
I've attended conferences where Microsoft have demonstrated amazing new technology, but then said - "This will hopefully be for the OEM to integrate into the device". MS make the Operating System, and generally rely on the OEMs to supe it up - they make a point of NOT stepping on their OEMs toes, which means that the OS is typically lowest common denominator. However, after a decade of WinCE based devices, they still look pretty much the same, with only incremental innovations.
Manilla is the greatest innovation we've had from an OEM, and that's figuratively skin deep. Until OEMs can go deeper and provide a streamlined and integrated consumer experience, WinCE/Windows Mobile is likely to be relegated to pro-sumer and corporate environments only, while the "sexy" phones will be what the "cool" kids will be buying.
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I think are learning a lesson, late, but learning
With Xperia going android, http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/sony-ericsson-htc-say-android-powered-handsets-due-next-year/
and ease of use with apple, and blackberry on the messenging niche microsoft wont be play second fiddle in in this race anymore. I think with the googles open handset alliance Microsoft is now listening "Nearly all the major handset makers have signed on, including HTC, LG, Motorola, and Samsung. U.S. wireless operators T-Mobile and Sprint Nextel are also members. Neither AT&T nor Verizon Wireless is an Open Handset Alliance member. But Verizon has said an Android phone could find its way onto its new open wireless network, which offers a more streamlined certification process" http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10119237-94.html
Apple is more for a consumer than business but they have direction, and Microsoft is motivated to really push out a business class os, or risk being in last place or worse, no development and no partners.
Eventually these will be netbooks too. If the economy wasn't so bad, I would think we may have some very decent choices. I would love to have android on my att tilt, I hate the control apple has and can't condone it. Blackberrys are solid devices though.

Samsung's Master Plan

Warning: There might be two possible interpretations of this post, either Samsung is a company full of strategic masterminds, hell bent on sabotaging their competition and capturing the mobile market; or I am stark raving mad.
While going through the latest leaks regarding the expected top-end Android devices to be launched at this year’s Mobile World Congress, I was overwhelmed with conflicting emotions. Both HTC’s One X and LG’s Optimus 4X HD seemed like stellar devices, with huge high-def screens, blazing quad-core processors, amazing cameras - in short, the whole shebang! But, one thought kept gnawing at me the whole time. No consumer would ever consider buying these devices before seeing what Samsung had in its arsenal!
Suddenly, Samsung’s whole master plan unravelled right in front of me. They are going to let their competitors do their thing and let them be happy releasing their shiny new quad-core devices in peace. The whole tech-journalism community would be alight with praises about how mind-blowing HTC’s One X is or how blazingly fast the 4X HD is, but as soon as their honeymoon period ends, BAM! Here comes the SGS III and takes away all the press and consumer attention right from under their noses! No phone, save the iPhone 5 is as insanely anticipated as the successor to the wildly popular SGS II and you could expect excessive fanfare to follow its release.
See, the point is that if Samsung had launched the SGS III at MWC, no matter how good, it would still be considered a competitor to the One X and 4X HD. Every tech site would have posts like “Android Showdown: SGS III vs One X vs 4X HD”. It would become one of the many of quad-core smartphones released at MWC. That is not what Samsung wants. What they want is to make it rise above the competition. By launching the SGS III a few weeks later, they ensure that tech sites would be rife with posts like “The Galaxy S III is the best smartphone ever made. PERIOD.”
And it seems like they are successful in their plans.
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Supposed Specs Of SGS 3
Quad-Core [email protected] 1.5 GHz
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4G Enabled
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Samsung knows that even HTC & LG announced their Quad-Core flagship at MWC, it will still take them months to come to market. They will just wait for the MWC buzz to die down, and as soon as it does, not only will they announce the SGS III, but they’ll pull a page out of Apple’s book and release the device within a week! So basically, even though it would be announced after its rivals, the SGS III will be available on the market before them, completely decimating the competition. Let’s face facts; no consumer would skip out on buying the Samsung Galaxy S III to wait for an HTC One X or an LG Optimus 4X HD. Even if it is a minutely inferior device, its brand recognition, market buzz and market availability would propel it forward by leaps and bounds.
I reiterate, I might be completely insane and Samsung might just be waiting to finish up the device and make sure it’s awesome enough. But the fact that Samsung already plans to introduce Ice Cream Sandwich devices like the Galaxy Note 10.1, makes me pause for thought. If both the software and hardware components are ready, then why are they delaying it? Shouldn’t the successor to the most popular device they’ve ever had be a much higher priority than those of less successful devices? One can only wonder, but if what I think is true, then Samsung is one clever company indeed. Check mate, HTC and LG, check mate!

Well, I think you are assuming that ti whole world is a savvy tech freak like the members of this forum but the general masses don't care if their phone says samsung, LG or HTC. The general masses will never root or even install a custom launcher. The gen public will never us the phones to their current capabilities.
IMO Apple is in a whole different boat. Marketing savants that tell people how easy to use and friendly their devices are. They have built in traffic that heard together like sheep. Animal Farm anyone?
We know samsung makes stellar products but if they keep marketing in the US like they currently are we will continue to see a lack of buzz. Hell the GNex is one badass phone but people go Ino Verizon for a RZR and not a GNex... Marketing people - its a simple formula!
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Brand matters for the masses, or they'll buy cheap chinese stuff. And believe me, the hot topic in the tech world is none other than the S 2's successor.

quite frankly , i think HTC (and hopefully LG ) will have a bit advantage as they would be kind of settled in the market (& possibly dropped their price by a bit) by the time SGS3 has been released. It will all depend on experience SGS3 really offers (other than the configuration on papers rite now), i have used both Samsung & HTC and i would select HTC anytime for best android experience, price is the strong factor keeping sammy ahead of others. So let’s wait & watch

The Apostle said:
Well, I think you are assuming that ti whole world is a savvy tech freak like the members of this forum but the general masses don't care if their phone says samsung, LG or HTC. The general masses will never root or even install a custom launcher. The gen public will never us the phones to their current capabilities.
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The Galaxy S series does have good brand-name value, though, maybe second only to the iPhone. Samsung may have realized that and taken a leaf out of Apple's book: allow the hype to take over. It has nothing to do with rooting or custom launchers, or geekiness.
I find the OP's story plausible. (Albeit exaggerating at times: consumers would and have bought the HTC One X.)

I would hands down buy the SGS3 over the HTC ONe X if they were released together, but the fact of the matter is that I hate waiting on this ghost device with all these so called great specs and samsung's track record does not sit to well with me right now.

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I'm curious about some things:
1. How does the NPU work, an how does its capabilities differ from a CPU?
2. How many nm is the NPU?
3. Is the NPU true "AI" or is that term used to suggest future uses?

What does NPU means??

1. What kind of rear cameras? Does it have wide-angle?
2. Does it have some kind of screen protection?
3. Is it better than Oneplus 5T?

naveedraj74 said:
What does NPU means??
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Neural Processing Unit

Why did you changed the name from V to View?

omerbagi10 said:
Why did you changed the name from V to View?
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Name was View 10, shortened as V10, similar to V9 etc.

1. Aside from the scene recognition in camera and language translation, what else do you plan to use the NPU majorly for in future?
2. The EMUI seems to hamper your update speed as you have quite a heavy skin overlaying the android. Do you plan to improve on this?

An question I have always wanted to ask is why do some huawei and honor phones have the rgb and mono colour sensor arrangement? Does the arrangement have any kind of advantage?

Will Honor View 10 with the help of NPU be able to respond to the user - face - unlock, recognize moods and based on them to match the content of messages - which are of interest to the user?

scytalemk said:
1. What kind of rear cameras? Does it have wide-angle?
2. Does it have some kind of screen protection?
3. Is it better than Oneplus 5T?
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Yes to all 3 questions.
dual rear camera 20 MP Monochrome and 16 MP RGB sensors.

Based on specs the new Honor phones can able to reach the high-end category. That's great! But some of competitors' flagship smartphones have so much issues (screen flickering, burn-in pixels, bootloops, motherboard and/or battery problems, lags, etc.). What do Honor (Huawei) do to to prevent such problems, and how can the company make it's phones reliable and stable? Thank you in advance!

In terms of updates, what will be the approach for this phone?? Companies are now releasing updates really fast and that's one of the deciding factors for new customers. OnePlus is in the forefront in doing so and is doing really well with sales.
Also, will you be supporting warranty for phones that have root? People always love flexibility of flashing new roms and mods and having warranty intact even after doing so gives additional peace of mind.

I would like to know how the battery performs because of the full HD and the big screen

Whats the future for NPU ?

The View 10 already sounds like a nice flagship, but... how much it'll be supported about the third-party development sector? I mean, kernel and source codes will be released to the public shortly after the phone's arrival on market, or it'll take longer? That's one of the most important things to me. For the rest, i already gave a look on the technical details of this device and so at the moment i don't have other questions to do to the team about phone specs. What is still missing are answers about support once that the phone will be available!
nidhish91 said:
In terms of updates, what will be the approach for this phone?? Companies are now releasing updates really fast and that's one of the deciding factors for new customers. OnePlus in the forefront in this.
Also, will you be supporting warranty for phones that have root?
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+1, nice question. I was just about asking that too, that's a fundamental point.

Exactly what are your plans regarding the npu in the short term? I know it can gradually improve image treatment with lower power cost but are you using it right now and can it be used to improve optical stabilization?
Also, what do you think is the most important of exciting feature for you we should test and use on this phone?
On my honor 7 I had several updates but only one big So upgrade. What are your plans regarding that issue? Do you plan to at least support the next 2 Android releases? What support time frame can we expect if I'm lucky enough to get the phone (really looking to upgrade my honor 7

How will the phone use the NPU to improve User Experience?
Will the NPU be able to some processing shenanigans for images like the Google AI?
Will the Honor View 10 have its own Smart Assistant thanks to this NPU in the future?

These are some things which I would like to know...
1. How is the View 10 NPU different from other already available AI enabled processors? How does it differ from the Snapdragon 845 which would be used in the upcoming high end Android phones from other manufacturers.
2. How do you plan on utilising this 'NPU' to enhance the everyday usage of a common smartphone user?
3. Your plans on software updates for Huawei smartphones and involvement with the developer community. We, at XDA, strive to make smartphones run even after support from manufacturer ceases. How much developer friendly is this new NPU?
4. How are other issues like battery, longetivity, durability and costumer services addressed with your increasing portfolios? Smartphones are the most abused piece of tech on this planet. The fact that they last long and survive the brunt of rough usage is a very important deciding factor for a smartphone buyer.
5. Obviously not like how AI has been depicted in movies, but how much can I rely on AI. How does this revolutionize the smartphone industry. Can I expect AI to respect my privacy and not open me up to ever increasing cyber threats.
6. What are your views on some of the latest fiascos in the smartphone industry like Apple admitting to slow down their smartphones to protect the battery. Does Huawei also believe that Apple was right in doing so and would it also walk down the same path anytime in the near future? ( P.S. added later)

Is it going to be launched worldwide or is it going to be tailored to a specific market?

Is Vivo NEX a success in sales?

Vivo is top brand in china right now. I wonder how much of this is a result of Vivo NEX ?
I think if they would lower price a little a lot more people would buy it.. like 100 dollars cheaper or something would make big difference in sales
https://www.gizmochina.com/2018/11/...in-china-in-q3-2018-followed-closely-by-oppo/
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Well actually BBK group is the largest Chinese manufacturer and includes Vivo,Oppo and OnePlus.
And all of three produce high cost smartphone even in mainland China.
Vivo and Oppo selling majority in Asia and OnePlus in Europe and India.
And even higher cost devices produced their between the top brand in China(Vivo-Oppo) and OnePlus in India and Europe.
NAM = North America, LATAM = Latin America, MEA = Middle East, CEE = Central & Eastern Europe, WE = Western Europe, APAC = Asia-Pacific
https://www.counterpointresearch.co...dium=email&utm_campaign=newsletterseptember20
There’s very useful observation can anyone read at above link.
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according to this news article the vivo nex was sold in 2 million in 6 months
https://www.gizmochina.com/2018/12/04/vivo-nex-crosses-2-million-sales-in-just-6-months/

still the dual screen edition is a big mistake

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still the dual screen edition is a big mistake
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I dont think nex 2 will have this solution, I think they just want to try it out and see how people perceive it.
Right now there is too many compromises with a dual screen. When it does not affect thickness, battery capacity and price its a better idea.
overall I think Lenevo Z5 did do a better job it looks more stylish, nex version looks like a prototype in comparison. And the circular Selfie light does not look good at all even if it is functional

One thing is sure dual screen version won’t have the same success as original Vivo Nex.
Simple Vivo experiment with futuristic design and unique style but as much gorgeous is dual screen display has many disadvantages over original Vivo Nex.
The real successor of Vivo Nex will be unveiled sometime in May or June and will have newer Qualcomm 855 SOC and hope 1-2 improvements for example waterproof ip67/68 certification or stereo sound and NFC.
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One thing is sure dual screen version won’t have the same success as original Vivo Nex.
Simple Vivo experiment with futuristic design and unique style but as much gorgeous is dual screen display has many disadvantages over original Vivo Nex.
The real successor of Vivo Nex will be unveiled sometime in May or June and will have newer Qualcomm 855 SOC and hope 1-2 improvements for example waterproof ip67/68 certification or stereo sound and NFC.
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I hope Vivo Nex will follow same pop up design , I hope it does not jump into the slide trend.
Pop up solution will hopefully be easier to convince people that it is reliable after from what I have seen no reported problem on failing motors on the selfie camera. Its good that Vivo offer different type of solutions rather then just putting all money into one solution, I like when they give us choice, which has been less and less the last years since the statistics of high volume sells have become more important for manufactures they want to have less models so they can brag about they sell more then iphone etc rather then offering more models how it was in the past. Huawei did do a good job offer a real phablet size of mate 20 x .
People in general think the pop up camera is a cool solution but the general consensus from the people is that they think the motors will break over time. Of course only time can judge that, I think people are way too skeptical about it, most people don't have their phone more then 2 years, the battery will be worthless in 2 years so I would worry more about the battery personally.
Even if we ditch the motorized solution, I dont think we should adop the slider solution, it compromises too much of the robustness of the general body, also makes it more vulnerable for dust and dirt. A spring based solution for the pop up camera is also and idea. What most people are worried about is that if the motor dies the camera gets unusable, to send into service is not a option since vivo dont have service centers outside china more or less, but in case the motor go bad there should be a spring inside so you can atleast pop up the camera with the spring when you push at the pop up area of the phone. Otherwise all we can do is see and wait how well the motors pass. Personally I have not been using the selfie camera alot of times ,I doubt I have even open it 1000 times in the last few months for instance. If you use snapchat alot and have not blocked selfie camera access I guess this number will go up fast.

OPPO Find X5 Pro Release Date and Info

The OPPO Find X5 Pro is set to be one of the most impressive phones we have seen from OPPO. As they continue to release groundbreaking flagships with a big advantage in their photography capabilities, the upcoming Find X5 Pro is expected to push the boundaries once again.
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The launch event will take place on the 24th of February. You can tune in to watch the event live using this link!
We know for sure that at least two products will be launched at this event, including the OPPO Find X5 and Find X5 Pro. The two new phones will make up the new X5 series. There is always a possibility that other products will be launched at the same event, like smart accessories, new apps, or OPPO services.
While the event will focus on all of the new hardware found in the Find X5 series, we will also get a closer look at ColorOS 12.1. This is the OS that will be shipping with both phones at launch.
While we don’t have all of the details on the new OPPO Find X5 Pro just yet, some images of the phone are available ahead of the launch.
We will update this thread as new information becomes available, so make sure you check back for more.
Update: We now know that the OPPO Find X5 Pro will be powered by the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 SoC. This is the latest chipset from Qualcomm and will be found on many flagship devices being launched in 2022. The fact that we know that this will be included as the chipset for the Find X5 Pro suggests that this will be an all-around premium device with top-of-the-line hardware.
Update: More leaks have revealed a new NPU developed by OPPO called the MariSilicon X Imaging NPU. This is a dedicated NPU that will take on the responsibility of processing imaging data for the Find X5 Pro. Expect to see better HDR photos, improved RAW data, and impressive shots from complex lighting environments.
Thank you to OPPO for supporting this thread.

Excited to get hands on this beauty! Curious how the combo of the new MariSilicon X, OPPO’s imaging NPU, and the announcement of the partnership with Hasselblad will be reflected in camera output. Sounds quite promising

Partnership with Hasselblad!

The camera module looks unique
Hope the quality is good too...

I can't wait to read about the Ambassador programm chosen ones, because if I end being a part of it... Well... Can't wait to dig in both the hardware and the software.

Manufactureed where?

No SD Card slot like the Pixel, I'll have to pass

I'm guessin' it gets a pass on the US?

svetius said:
The OPPO Find X5 Pro is set to be one of the most impressive phones we have seen from OPPO. As they continue to release groundbreaking flagships with a big advantage in their photography capabilities, the upcoming Find X5 Pro is expected to push the boundaries once again.
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The launch event will take place on the 24th of February. You can tune in to watch the event live using this link!
We know for sure that at least two products will be launched at this event, including the OPPO Find X5 and Find X5 Pro. The two new phones will make up the new X5 series. There is always a possibility that other products will be launched at the same event, like smart accessories, new apps, or OPPO services.
While the event will focus on all of the new hardware found in the Find X5 series, we will also get a closer look at ColorOS 12.1. This is the OS that will be shipping with both phones at launch.
While we don’t have all of the details on the new OPPO Find X5 Pro just yet, some images of the phone are available ahead of the launch.
We will update this thread as new information becomes available, so make sure you check back for more.
Update: We now know that the OPPO Find X5 Pro will be powered by the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 SoC. This is the latest chipset from Qualcomm and will be found on many flagship devices being launched in 2022. The fact that we know that this will be included as the chipset for the Find X5 Pro suggests that this will be an all-around premium device with top-of-the-line hardware.
Update: More leaks have revealed a new NPU developed by OPPO called the MariSilicon X Imaging NPU. This is a dedicated NPU that will take on the responsibility of processing imaging data for the Find X5 Pro. Expect to see better HDR photos, improved RAW data, and impressive shots from complex lighting environments.
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NOPE, NOPE nope nope and double NOPE!! Another Chinese pile of plastic, useless crap laden with spyware built right into the chip.