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Weak camera flash?

Hi
Straight to the point. My led is very weak. It's A LOT weaker than Nexus 4, Moto G and iPhone 5s. Don't have other phones to compare it with. It's only good to illuminate something not further than 40-50cm away, anything further than that is picked up by higher iso.
Us this normal or shall I be getting a replacement?

it's normal, I noticed that too.

eskamhl said:
it's normal, I noticed that too.
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Yep, with further experimenting I found that it's very weak when flashlight is on but fires stronger when picture is taken.
Thanks

undercover said:
Yep, with further experimenting I found that it's very weak when flashlight is on but fires stronger when picture is taken.
Thanks
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Yep, seems to be normal. The flashlight/torch function is nothing to write home about

I'm sure there are apps (third party) that would allow higher brightness.

abhinav.tella said:
I'm sure there are apps (third party) that would allow higher brightness.
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I couldn't find oneyet...tried the first 10 findings in play store looking for "Taschenlampe" (obviously I'm german...) and none is any brighter than the built in app...

jomansch said:
I couldn't find oneyet...tried the first 10 findings in play store looking for "Taschenlampe" (obviously I'm german...) and none is any brighter than the built in app...
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I think it's limited on Sony rom. I'm sure with root it's possible to change values. Not that I'm going to.

Android 8.1 beta now available

https://twitter.com/sarvikas/status/955753890770665472
Get it here :
https://www.nokia.com/en_int/phones/betalabs

Cool. Bought the phone today, and it's already on 8.1. Hoping Nokia will keep up the pace

I have been battering it since installing and i cant make it cough, splutter or hiccup, seems all but finished to me rather than a beta.

Not quite. I discovered and reported a rather annoying kernel wakelock that doesn't allow CPU deep sleep for hours, causing battery drain.

amunarjoh said:
Cool. Bought the phone today, and it's already on 8.1. Hoping Nokia will keep up the pace
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Do you mind doing a system dump for me? If you need help look up how to do a system dump, but I think you need root and do adb /pull system .

xterminater07 said:
Do you mind doing a system dump for me? If you need help look up how to do a system dump, but I think you need root and do adb /pull system .
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Hi, and thanks for asking. At the moment I am so happy with the barbone Android, that I don't see a reason to root. Maybe at some other point in time...
By the way, it took just a few seconds to enter Nokia beta and download the 8.1.

aoleg said:
Not quite. I discovered and reported a rather annoying kernel wakelock that doesn't allow CPU deep sleep for hours, causing battery drain.
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Thats weird, everyone else is reporting better battery life.

amunarjoh said:
Cool. Bought the phone today, and it's already on 8.1. Hoping Nokia will keep up the pace
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amunarjoh said:
Hi, and thanks for asking. At the moment I am so happy with the barbone Android, that I don't see a reason to root. Maybe at some other point in time...
By the way, it took just a few seconds to enter Nokia beta and download the 8.1.
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I do not have the phone, I have another phone that uses the same sensors as the Nokia 8, that's why I would like to have the system dump so I can see some information regarding cameras. Or if you can link me to the beta download that would be great. I can try to pull files and info from it.

I haven't noticed any crashes on this beta, but the battery life is definitely worse for me.
This device has no root, so pulling the system will be difficult I think.

MrBelter said:
Thats weird, everyone else is reporting better battery life.
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That's what beta testing is for. "Works on my computer", you know, is not an acceptable excuse for programmers doing paid work. In some circumstances, on some models, in some regions, with some mobile service providers, etc, etc, you get intermittent weird problems that are impossible to catch during the "closed" beta testing phase. On my phone, there is almost no CPU deep sleep due to some kernel wakelock (I cannot get more details than this without root access, and there's no root for this model). After 3 days on 8.1 beta, I rolled back to 8.0 stable; no wakelock issues whatsoever. Of course, I submitted a comprehensive bug report before rolling back, so hopefully HMD catches and squashes this bug.

If you set animations to 0.5x you can notice the speed improvement more. Though could be placebo. Before 0.5x was more choppy and 8.1 feels smoother.

8.1 is definitely smoother!
The double tap on recent apps (for fast change) are waaay faster and without a single hiccup for me.
Battery have better stand-by with wifi and auto sync on.
Less than 1% per hour! (almost two hours to drain 1%)
Sent from my Nokia 8!

aoleg said:
That's what beta testing is for. "Works on my computer", you know, is not an acceptable excuse for programmers doing paid work. In some circumstances, on some models, in some regions, with some mobile service providers, etc, etc, you get intermittent weird problems that are impossible to catch during the "closed" beta testing phase. On my phone, there is almost no CPU deep sleep due to some kernel wakelock (I cannot get more details than this without root access, and there's no root for this model). After 3 days on 8.1 beta, I rolled back to 8.0 stable; no wakelock issues whatsoever. Of course, I submitted a comprehensive bug report before rolling back, so hopefully HMD catches and squashes this bug.
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Wow chill your beans, i am fully aware what beta testing is and i certainly do not need preaching to about it by the likes of you.
I was about to report that the standby times on my phone are also reduced but i don't think i'll bother now, you seem to have it all covered with your comprehensive report.

I observe that when i take my phone out of my pocket it automatically unlocks the screen lock( i put my finger on fp sensor when i take my phone out of my pocket). After that i checked if there is a problem with the light sensor, so i covered it so it couldn't get any light but still unlocked the phone when i used my fp to unlock it. Do you guys have that problem? Also to note that when i am making phone calls light sensor works like normal.
Sent from my TA-1012 using XDA Labs

USB tethering also doesn't seem to be working correctly and causes reboots.

still no ambient display......

Also the pop up when i want to disable the mobile data is frustrating. Is there a way to disable this?
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bluetooht not working
bluetooht also doesn't seem to be working correctly and causes reboots. when i make calls over carkit

hennieh said:
bluetooht also doesn't seem to be working correctly and causes reboots. when i make calls over carkit
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I'm using Bluetooth with two different car kits, speaker and headphones. No issues at all. Actually it seems to be using less power than on 8.0.
On 8.0 sometimes I couldn't connect to car kit. On 8.1 this issue seems to be gone.

This is the kind of battery life i am getting now after a few days running the beta, i still think standby times are worse but not shockingly so.

No front LED for notifications ?

Hello,
I am currently using a OP5, and I really like having a front LED to tell me if a message had been received, or not.
Like, I just have to look at my device for ~2sec and I know if a notification is waiting or not.
I am interested by buying a 7/7Pro, but it doesn't have this LED. Isn't it a problem as a daily ?
Thank you !
Khwaja.

Khwaja7 said:
Hello,
I am currently using a OP5, and I really like having a front LED to tell me if a message had been received, or not.
Like, I just have to look at my device for ~2sec and I know if a notification is waiting or not.
I am interested by buying a 7/7Pro, but it doesn't have this LED. Isn't it a problem as a daily ?
Thank you !
Khwaja.
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Hi.
I use this app.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730692

Khwaja7 said:
Hello,
I am currently using a OP5, and I really like having a front LED to tell me if a message had been received, or not.
Like, I just have to look at my device for ~2sec and I know if a notification is waiting or not.
I am interested by buying a 7/7Pro, but it doesn't have this LED. Isn't it a problem as a daily ?
Thank you !
Khwaja.
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Eagle-no1 said:
Hi.
I use this app.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730692
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Ahh NoLED app. What an oldie but goodie! I had used that a long, long time ago and it served its purpose well.
@Khwaja7 - I used to rely a lot on the LED for notification and the app mentioned in the previous post was a good solution. I don't rely on it much nowadays because I had bought a cheap Xiaomi Mi Fit 3 band so I can see any messages and emails from my fitness band. If your phone is almost always near you, or you don't mind getting to your phone to check, you can set the OP7Pro up to quickly check by a single tap on the screen to wake the screen up.

you can also try Plus Beat from google play
It uses the edge horizontal light feature, and lights it up once a while.

Yep, plus beat might be your best bet for now...

xxjabberwockxx said:
Ahh NoLED app. What an oldie but goodie! I had used that a long, long time ago and it served its purpose well.
@Khwaja7 - I used to rely a lot on the LED for notification and the app mentioned in the previous post was a good solution. I don't rely on it much nowadays because I had bought a cheap Xiaomi Mi Fit 3 band so I can see any messages and emails from my fitness band. If your phone is almost always near you, or you don't mind getting to your phone to check, you can set the OP7Pro up to quickly check by a single tap on the screen to wake the screen up.
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How did you make it to work?

netgar said:
How did you make it to work?
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The NoLED app? The last time I used it was probably 3 years ago. Haven't tried it in any recent phone.

galaxys said:
Yep, plus beat might be your best bet for now...
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I tried this but doesn't seem to work well with the ambient display enabled

galaxys said:
Yep, plus beat might be your best bet for now...
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For how many seconds did you set it up?
How's battery impact?

On Plus Beat custom colors did not seem to work and time is not working too well, I have mine set for 10 seconds and it shows about every 21 seconds, I do have Ambient Display enabled, but its better than nothing.

Bradl79 said:
On Plus Beat custom colors did not seem to work and time is not working too well, I have mine set for 10 seconds and it shows about every 21 seconds, I do have Ambient Display enabled, but its better than nothing.
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Must be individual to the phones then. I have it installed and it shows a notification every 10 secs and in the colours set up under its settings. Phone has ambient display on.

Had LEDs on all my other phones but don't miss it at all since moving to the OnePlus 6T and the to the 7 Pro.
Good in a way since you're not always going for your phone every 10 seconds because of a blinking LED.
Notifications wake the screen up so that's enough. Can prioritize them as well so only the important stuff pops up.

slonn said:
Must be individual to the phones then. I have it installed and it shows a notification every 10 secs and in the colours set up under its settings. Phone has ambient display on.
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I may clear data and try again, thanks for the info

I couldn't get pulse beat to work at all. This one works well but takes about 2% battery per hour the way I have mine set worth a shot and only one I found really works. Sadly the fingerprint lock screen is still there so you have to unlock a bit slower but it works well and easy. Screenshot for example as I couldn't find share button on play store sorry.

Thank you all for your answers !
I will buy a 7Pro then, and I'll see if it fits my needs about notifications alert.
If it doesn't, I'll try your possibilities
Khwaja.

Notification light is a bummer. Why they can't use the same as on the pixel is beyond me. That system just works.
Common guys give us always on display!

Moto Active Display? (or similar?)

All the incredible steps forward in phones and ROM's, and I still can't get myself to forget how much I looooved that Moto Active Display. I miss it so much. ?
Seems like such a step backward not to have it, and Android always seems to be about having everything you can imagine.
Is there any ROM's, Modules, or Apps I can use on my 7P to get this feature back?

What features you talking about specifically

kenbrownstone said:
What features you talking about specifically
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The display screen flashes when you get a message, and will continue to flash occasionally until you pick up phone.
Anytime you wave your hand over screen it wakes up for a moment.
You can push on any notification and it will give you a lot more info about that notification.
If you swipe up on a notification it will take you directly to that app.
Much more interactive.
I'll find a YouTube video...

You can skip the 1st minute...

I think back in the Android 4.3-4.4.4 days we had this features even in custom Roms. I wonder why its gone. Todays active display is nice but is much less interactive. I would also be happy if some big dev would make some code which the ROMs can implement it.

Tiz92 said:
I think back in the Android 4.3-4.4.4 days we had this features even in custom Roms. I wonder why its gone. Todays active display is nice but is much less interactive. I would also be happy if some big dev would make some code which the ROMs can implement it.
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Probably because drained the battery too much. Today's AOD consume only 0.1-0.5% per hour.

Dew Me said:
The display screen flashes when you get a message, and will continue to flash occasionally until you pick up phone.
Anytime you wave your hand over screen it wakes up for a moment.
You can push on any notification and it will give you a lot more info about that notification.
If you swipe up on a notification it will take you directly to that app.
Much more interactive.
I'll find a YouTube video...
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.newgen.alwayson&hl=en
This app has all that. Having it just to light up when you touch the screen shouldnt take much battery. Keeping it always on however is another story.

Tiz92 said:
I think back in the Android 4.3-4.4.4 days we had this features even in custom Roms. I wonder why its gone. Todays active display is nice but is much less interactive. I would also be happy if some big dev would make some code which the ROMs can implement it.
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Yes! ☺
Yeah, it came on my 4.4.4 device.
It was when Google owned Moto, so it gave Moto better access to Android to do something special, and everyone always seemed to agree Moto did it better than Google, but it has disappeared. ?
The app discussed after your post seems it might offer some of that though. I'm gonna check it out.

paysen said:
Probably because drained the battery too much. Today's AOD consume only 0.1-0.5% per hour.
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I have heard this discussed, and, while I understood the concern in theory, I never understood d it in practice.
Meaning I used a phone with it for a long time (Droid Turbo) and I always felt like I had GREAT battery life. Granted it was a big battery @ the time with 3700,but I got 2 days out of the battery sometimes, and I'm not a light user.

Batteries complains are nonsense. It consumes less then a regular always on display. Its just a features which dissapeared for some reason (as others did also).

trapcoder666 said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.newgen.alwayson&hl=en
This app has all that. Having it just to light up when you touch the screen shouldnt take much battery. Keeping it always on however is another story.
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I DL'd it and have been playing.
I found the preview to see what it will look like, but waiting for a notification to come in to make sure it actually turns on is like waiting for a kettle to boil...only worse, cuz ya can't tell if the burner is on.
Looks like it's gonna do the trick though. ?

Adaptive brightness.

I'm tired of this. It's been 8 days since I got this phone and It's still absolutely unusable in conditions like dimmed room with any source of light (i.e tv or bedside lamp), or mounted in a car used as a satnav, or with lights off in the dark.
Aactually, it can play up at anytime, any day, any night.
It's unbelievable that in 2019 I can't get normally behaving display under controlled conditions. It goes up and down like crazy. Tried to teach this thing by adjusting manually every time hoping for the best but no improvement. It's just totally unreliable and I hope Amazon will accept my return. My first and only journey with this company has ended. I knew I shouldn't go with chinese brand, I knew it. Never ever again.
It's 10pm here, I'm sitting only with a small bed side lamp and whilst writing this post the brightness went up to 1/3 of the scale 3 times for no reason and never went back down where it should be. This makes my eyes bleed. What a joke.

The phone is awesome besides that 1 hiccup I do agree that brightness issue sucks but not to the point you have said.
I hope they fix it.

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I'm tired of this. It's been 8 days since I got this phone and It's still absolutely unusable in conditions like dimmed room with any source of light (i.e tv or bedside lamp), or mounted in a car used as a satnav, or with lights off in the dark.
Aactually, it can play up at anytime, any day, any night.
It's unbelievable that in 2019 I can't get normally behaving display under controlled conditions. It goes up and down like crazy. Tried to teach this thing by adjusting manually every time hoping for the best but no improvement. It's just totally unreliable and I hope Amazon will accept my return. My first and only journey with this company has ended. I knew I shouldn't go with chinese brand, I knew it. Never ever again.
It's 10pm here, I'm sitting only with a small bed side lamp and whilst writing this post the brightness went up to 1/3 of the scale 3 times for no reason and never went back down where it should be. This makes my eyes bleed. What a joke.
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It's nowhere near as big of a problem as you're making it out to be.

I really think you are exaggerating. All phones have issues and on average this phone is very good.

The problem is they keep saying they've fixed it when they clearly haven't. I can get complete dimness in daylight all of a sudden. This is the first phone I've ever experienced auto brightness problems.

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The problem is they keep saying they've fixed it when they clearly haven't. I can get complete dimness in daylight all of a sudden. This is the first phone I've ever experienced auto brightness problems.
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Yes it gets dim all of a sudden that too in Bright Light

do you have the 9.5.11 update? i think that it has been improved with the latest update.

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do you have the 9.5.11 update? i think that it has been improved with the latest update.
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Already updated and still the same for me. I have to manually untick and retick the auto brightness icon for it to correct at least once a day.

i feel that it was better with the latest update, maybe try to Wipe Cache? to see if it helps

That's one of the reasons i will switch to a custom rom when they are full functional. But that's been the issue with all oneplus phones at oos, in my experience. I had the 5t and 6, i thought it was the same.

It's not that hard to download an autobrightness app like lux

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It's not that hard to download an autobrightness app like lux
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I think it should work out of the box... Like in any other os. And these app you're referring to - it's been updated the last time 2016?

zniper89 said:
i feel that it was better with the latest update, maybe try to Wipe Cache? to see if it helps
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I always wipe cache after every update to make sure all the improvements come through.

Trinaaa said:
That's one of the reasons i will switch to a custom rom when they are full functional. But that's been the issue with all oneplus phones at oos, in my experience. I had the 5t and 6, i thought it was the same.
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Are you saying that custom ROMs can help with that? I may try it.
I used to use Lux app on my Nexus 6p and it worked well. But this app has never been updated to work with current versions of android. Probably because all the manufacturers can get it done right out of the box

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do you have the 9.5.11 update? i think that it has been improved with the latest update.
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Nothing changed in this update, infact this update is broken, i lose connection all the time and some calls cant get through, i have been forced to go back to 9.5.10

I have no problem with adaptive brightness. Since Android Pie, AI from google handle the adaptive brightness. See more https://venturebeat.com/2018/08/28/how-android-pies-adaptive-battery-and-adaptive-brightness-work/

My adaptive brightness is not that bad. I only really need to adjust at night in bed with lights off. Other than that i think it works well.

borijess said:
My adaptive brightness is not that bad. I only really need to adjust at night in bed with lights off. Other than that i think it works well.
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Before Adaptive brightness was supposedly improved I used a product called Lux (no longer works on Android Pie) and compared to that apps options and ease of use the OP7 pro implementation of Adaptive Brightness sucks. You simply need to spend too much time teaching it to "adapt" while missing profiling options for particular circumstances to override the adapt option and just have the brightness level you desire for what your using the phone for at that particular time. Older android versions beat the current situation hands down at least on this phone. On the whole I love OOS and the OP7 Pro but this is a fail in my books. One that I've actively looked for a way to correct.

I rarely find it a problem

Not a issue for me and seems to get better each update...