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The Cook Family's match: The Windows Phone 8X by HTC - Full Length
Even that is a MyTouch 3G
But I still felt uncomfortable
If window phone 8x compare to MyTouch 4G
is there any chance 4G could beat 8X?
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Hi,Take a look ?
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The Cook Family's match: The Windows Phone 8X by HTC - Full Length
Even that is a MyTouch 3G
But I still felt uncomfortable
If window phone 8x compare to MyTouch 4G
is there any chance 4G could beat 8X?
Sorry, I can not post the youtube link.
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He compared using the front-facing camera. Nobody seriously uses the front camera, it is a lame VGA 1.3MP sensor. Had he used the rear camera, the MyTouch would have held its own against the Nokia.
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He compared using the front-facing camera. Nobody seriously uses the front camera, it is a lame VGA 1.3MP sensor. Had he used the rear camera, the MyTouch would have held its own against the Nokia.
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I beg to differ!
Anyone using phone for what it is - a communication device - normally uses the front camera a lot, not the rear one, don't you agree?
Personally I could live without rear camera at all, all those hailed "great features" of MT4GS' built-in rear camera's (and any other phone's cameras!) are easily beaten by any crappiest $20 standalone photo camera toys with a 1 inch lens (or more), and that's a fact... This rear camera module cost mere $2 or less from manufacturer (depending on quantity) and either same or very similar ones are built-in into many toys (i.e. latest Barbie with camera and screen)... Anyways, I never understood why anyone would even consider taking any more or less serious photos with the phone's tiny plastic single-optic lens. It's not like photo/video cameras with proper optics cost arm and leg nowadays... I can hardly think of more than very few situations where the rear camera may be needed instead of front camera.
Oh and having said that: Windows Phone 8 sucks. I haven't seen any difference from WP7, which IMO is the worst mobile OS ever.
MT4GS said:
I beg to differ!
Anyone using phone for what it is - a communication device - usually use the front camera a lot, don't you think?
Personally I could live without rear camera at all, all those hailed "great features" of MT4GS' built-in rear camera's are easily beaten by any crappiest $20 standalone photo camera toys with a 2 inch lens (or more), and that's a fact... This rear camera module cost mere $2-$3, either same or very similar one are built-in into many toys (i.e. latest Barbie with camera and screen)... Anyways, I never understood why anyone would even consider taking any more or less serious photos with the phone's tiny plastic single-optic lens. It's not like photo/video cameras with proper optics cost arm and leg nowadays... I can hardly think of more than very few situations where the rear camera may be needed instead of front camera.
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Really?! I'm tired of people saying their phones aren't real, respectable (ish) cameras. No offense personally, dude... I just see this as a common misconception among my fellow techies. Most 8MP and above take decent enough shots to be compared to a regular consumer grade camera. Obviously, not in ALL situations (like low light at a distance, optical zoom, etc.) but enough to be used seriously to capture a memory of loved one, day trip, unexpected wild life, etc. The MAIN point is who the hell carries a camera around with them?! Very few... so yeah, I'd say some of the newer phones can be considered serious (ish) cameras. Of course these are just opinions so we can't really prove or disprove much but I have to say that most pics are taken by mobiles and must be considered serious based on quantity alone. Remember that few people actually know what a DSLR camera is... let alone carry one. We technical minded people forget that most aren't in the same mindset we are.
I too am fond of the front facing camera of nokia phones. And that's only because nokia supports 3g Video calling unlike android that uses the front camera only for internet based video calling. Quality wise I don't really mind at all since they all are crap anyways. I would be greatful to have a 8mp front facing camera with superb compression so it wouldn't have any impacts on data transfer. But yeah it's just a dream haha
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Really?! I'm tired of people saying their phones aren't real, respectable (ish) cameras. No offense personally, dude... I just see this as a common misconception among my fellow techies. Most 8MP and above take decent enough shots to be compared to a regular consumer grade camera. Obviously, not in ALL situations (like low light at a distance, optical zoom, etc.) but enough to be used seriously to capture a memory of loved one, day trip, unexpected wild life, etc. The MAIN point is who the hell carries a camera around with them?! Very few... so yeah, I'd say some of the newer phones can be considered serious (ish) cameras. Of course these are just opinions so we can't really prove or disprove much but I have to say that most pics are taken by mobiles and must be considered serious based on quantity alone. Remember that few people actually know what a DSLR camera is... let alone carry one. We technical minded people forget that most aren't in the same mindset we are.
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Of course it is personal prefernce, so our discussion is actually a moot.
I do agree with you (mostly), but you missed my point, which is that almost anything you may use rear camera for - all of it can be done with the front camera, but not the other way aroound (i.e. you can't use rear camera for videocall). I'd rather have a good front camera, because 99% of the time that's the camera I use, that's all. Rear camera is a gimmick to fool people, but that's just my opinion. (edit - actually not only mine, since i.e. latest Google tablets ditched the rear cameras, yet they kept the front ones...)
Regarding the quality - there is no need to "defend" the phone cameras, because I am not "attacking" them; they are what they are: cheapest cameras around and just because at certain conditions they are able to take decent shots proves nothing. Anyways, IMO the phone cameras are akin to old disposable "analog" (35mm film) cameras, they had their market too. I have actually seen people taking wedding photos with those! And there is nothing wrong with that, it's all just personal preference, really.
The fact is that when you have no camera around, even the crappiest one is a god-send, right?
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The same way death of stupid iPods was just a matter of time once the first smartphones became capable of playing music and videos, the same way the "point & shoot" cameras will disappear in the next few years. People always prefer "all-in-one" devices instead of carrying multiple single-purpose devices. Let's not forget that the "convenience" always wins over "quality" (it has been proven many times), and that's why I am sure within next few years all these typical "point & shoot" cameras will disappear completely (replaced by built-in phone cameras). Camera market will consist mostly of pro and consumer DSLRs and some more-less specialized cams (3D perhaps? assuming this current 3D TV fad keeps going on).
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I beg to differ!
Anyone using phone for what it is - a communication device - normally uses the front camera a lot, not the rear one, don't you agree?
Personally I could live without rear camera at all, all those hailed "great features" of MT4GS' built-in rear camera's (and any other phone's cameras!) are easily beaten by any crappiest $20 standalone photo camera toys with a 1 inch lens (or more), and that's a fact... This rear camera module cost mere $2 or less from manufacturer (depending on quantity) and either same or very similar ones are built-in into many toys (i.e. latest Barbie with camera and screen)... Anyways, I never understood why anyone would even consider taking any more or less serious photos with the phone's tiny plastic single-optic lens. It's not like photo/video cameras with proper optics cost arm and leg nowadays... I can hardly think of more than very few situations where the rear camera may be needed instead of front camera.
Oh and having said that: Windows Phone 8 sucks. I haven't seen any difference from WP7, which IMO is the worst mobile OS ever.
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Sorry, but you really don't know WTF you're saying, so just stop. Thank you for your time.
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Riyal said:
I too am fond of the front facing camera of nokia phones. And that's only because nokia supports 3g Video calling unlike android that uses the front camera only for internet based video calling. Quality wise I don't really mind at all since they all are crap anyways. I would be greatful to have a 8mp front facing camera with superb compression so it wouldn't have any impacts on data transfer. But yeah it's just a dream haha
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We can do 3G video calling on our MT4GS just fine. I've used Skype and QIK to make video calls without any problem, and not on Wi-Fi.
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Sorry, but you really don't know WTF you're saying, so just stop. Thank you for your time.
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LOL I think exactly the same about your opinion, so why you just don't stop?
I use my front facing camera like 200 times a day.... No lie
CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
I use my front facing camera like 200 times a day.... No lie
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I use the front WAY more than the back camera. I mean yeah the back camera comes in handy for weird clouding in the sky, but nothing beats sitting there doing 'self portraits' of me and my daughter
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I use my FFC *MAYBE* 2x a year.
I use the rear camera daily @ work as well as at play.
YMMV. We all place different value on our devices based on our lifestyle and values.
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement
In the 14 months I've owned this phone, I've used the front camera for a photo maybe 3 times. I use the rear camera a lot, at least a dozen times a week on average and when I was living in China this past summer I took over 1000 photos and a dozen HD videos using the rear camera. I've used the front camera for webcam about 6 times.
I did an informal survey among my friends. Of the 9 friends I asked who have phones with a front camera, only 2 of them had ever used the front camera for a photo, and that's because they are self-pic whores. HAHAHA
Lol I'd hope a brand new phone beats a phone that's nearly a year and a half old. But in all seriousness, I still think the MT4GS's camera is still pretty solid. I mean not the GREATEST, but it's not very bad either. The front facing camera I do use a lot and it's not quite the BEST, but I've never needed the BEST front facing camera, if it works then I'm good to go.
Wrong thread lol!
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Wrong thread lol!
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I just hate it when I do that.
I bet we will see the beginning of the end for most point and shoots when they add optical zoom and dslr to smartphones. Like what MT4GS said, most end users prefer all in one devices. Very good point about death of ipod. I always thought that mp3 players were stupid since I was using my WM device/G1 as one. I eventually ran out of memory since the 16GB cards were expensive at the time and opted for a 32GB model mp3 player. These days... you can get a 64GB class 10 card for under a $100 which makes mp3 players obsolete. I'm sure cameras will never meet that end quite as dramatically or in numbers even for just consumers but I can see that cameras on smartphones will hit 12mp soon enough and become commonplace when optical zoom is introduced. I'm sure most manufacturers are concerned about thickness, how they can make the lens retreat mostly into the housing, and mostly... safe on their drop tests Personally, I wish they'd work on better lens because 12mp camera can look like **** with inferior lens. As far as the front camera goes, our little VGA doesn't cut it for picture... for me, at least. It is handy for video calls and nothing more imho. Even the latest, which usually include up to 1.3mp, is rather poor quality. I've been disappointed at the rate manufacturers have improved them thus far. I guess time will tell, huh?
As far as DSLR goes, I'm sure it will be added when they become more commonplace in the consumer realm. HDR seems to be adding to all models as a feature like panorama. The photography world has become very exciting lately
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In the 14 months I've owned this phone, I've used the front camera for a photo maybe 3 times. I use the rear camera a lot, at least a dozen times a week on average and when I was living in China this past summer I took over 1000 photos and a dozen HD videos using the rear camera. I've used the front camera for webcam about 6 times.
I did an informal survey among my friends. Of the 9 friends I asked who have phones with a front camera, only 2 of them had ever used the front camera for a photo, and that's because they are self-pic whores. HAHAHA
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You still don't get it.
I will try one more time slower for you
Whatever you use your rear camera for, it can be done with front camera in almost every case. If MT4GS had the 8Mpx front camera with all the same features (and no rear camera) you would be using it the same way as you already did with this camera being in the rear - AND all of us using only/mostly the current front camera would be using it the same way as we did so far too, don't you get it? The rear camera is redundant in 99% cases of use.
You have used the rear cam only because you wanted take photos or videos in a higher resolution (than the current front camera's VGA). Simply replace the front VGA cam with 8Mpx camera from the back and you don't need 2 of them anymore.
What I would actually prefer instead of 2 cameras is having a second small screen on the back (to be used as i.e. "viewfinder" for those rare occasions when the front camera would be used for taking photos of something, but anyways there are plenty of other/better uses for second small screen on the rear), but that's another matter...
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I just did same survey, 6 ppl:
4 agree the rear camera is redundant and they do or would use only front camera if there was no rear cam
1 person has only front cam (and she said she don't need rear camera at all)
1 person said he would NOT buy phone without 2 cameras (front and back)
so...
MT4GS said:
You still don't get it.
I will try one more time slower for you
Whatever you use your rear camera for, it can be done with front camera in almost every case. If MT4GS had the 8Mpx front camera with all the same features (and no rear camera) you would be using it the same way as you already did with this camera being in the rear - AND all of us using only/mostly the current front camera would be using it the same way as we did so far too, don't you get it? The rear camera is redundant in 99% cases of use.
You have used the rear cam only because you wanted take photos or videos in a higher resolution (than the current front camera's VGA). Simply replace the front VGA cam with 8Mpx camera from the back and you don't need 2 of them anymore.
What I would actually prefer instead of 2 cameras is having a second small screen on the back (to be used as i.e. "viewfinder" for those rare occasions when the front camera would be used for taking photos of something, but anyways there are plenty of other/better uses for second small screen on the rear), but that's another matter...
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I just did same survey, 6 ppl:
4 agree the rear camera is redundant and they do or would use only front camera if there was no rear cam
1 person has only front cam (and she said she don't need rear camera at all)
1 person said he would NOT buy phone without 2 cameras (front and back)
so...
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It is really sad when a narcissist has so pissed off everyone else in his life that he's reduced to taking his own self-pics with the front-facing camera on his phone. :laugh: And no, I would not use the front camera even if it were a higher quality. The photos I take are of other subjects, not myself. I'm not that vain.
MT4GS said:
You still don't get it.
I will try one more time slower for you
Whatever you use your rear camera for, it can be done with front camera in almost every case. If MT4GS had the 8Mpx front camera with all the same features (and no rear camera) you would be using it the same way as you already did with this camera being in the rear - AND all of us using only/mostly the current front camera would be using it the same way as we did so far too, don't you get it? The rear camera is redundant in 99% cases of use.
You have used the rear cam only because you wanted take photos or videos in a higher resolution (than the current front camera's VGA). Simply replace the front VGA cam with 8Mpx camera from the back and you don't need 2 of them anymore.
What I would actually prefer instead of 2 cameras is having a second small screen on the back (to be used as i.e. "viewfinder" for those rare occasions when the front camera would be used for taking photos of something, but anyways there are plenty of other/better uses for second small screen on the rear), but that's another matter...
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I just did same survey, 6 ppl:
4 agree the rear camera is redundant and they do or would use only front camera if there was no rear cam
1 person has only front cam (and she said she don't need rear camera at all)
1 person said he would NOT buy phone without 2 cameras (front and back)
so...
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Not to tease but what do you do when you take pics other than yourself & someone/something? I agree with Fuzi... I'm just not sure how people are taking so many FFC pics.... Am I missing something? Again, no sarcasm intended. Just curious and confused
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Not to tease but what do you do when you take pics other than yourself & someone/something? I agree with Fuzi... I'm just not sure how people are taking so many FFC pics.... Am I missing something? Again, no sarcasm intended. Just curious and confused
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I have a folder on my sdcard that's nothing but self pics of me and my kid TOGETHER. And its around a few hundred photos, then there's me and my fiance together ect.
Also the ffc is a mirror for me when I cut my own hair and need to see the back of my head and only one mirror is there...I mean the ffc has more uses than what's being looked at.
Btw I notice this thread has gone way off track to MT and fuzi opinion thread on why this camera is better than that camera
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hello guys
Can you please tell me wish phone is the best in term of camera? cause i want to buy one of them! thank you!
joto85 said:
hello guys
Can you please tell me wish phone is the best in term of camera? cause i want to buy one of them! thank you!
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Z2 cam:
20.7 MP 1/2.3-inch Exmor RS for mobile CMOS sensor
F2.0 lens
4K video recording (3840×2160 pixels/30p)
HDR video
2.2 MP front camera
S4 cam:
13 MP / backside-illuminated CMOS sensor
F2.0 lens
FullHD video recording (1920×1080 pixels/30p)
HDR video
2.0 MP front camera
All in all the Z2's cam should provide a better camera experience
but i heard that the z2 camera struggles indoor is that true?
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but i heard that the z2 camera struggles indoor is that true?
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The S4 will probably take more eye-pleasing pics, despite the lower MP. Samsung has always had great photo processing software. All cameras struggle indoors when there's less light (and outdoors when darker too). I doubt you'd be disappointed in the Z2's camera though, but it might take some tinkering and experimenting with different modes to find what works best. Beyond the camera, the Z2 is the better overall phone; faster processor, more RAM, waterproof, front-facing speakers, longer battery life (although the S4's is replaceable) etc.
If you're looking for an expensive 1-2 generation old flagship and camera quality is your priority, the LG G2 trumps both the S4 and the Z2.
Hi All,
I am still experimenting my new xz dual.
I noticed that the pics taken by its camera.. When u zoom in, there is noticable noise in the pictures and not what i expected at all from a phone advertised as a camera with an additional phone ?.
I am coming from samsung galasy s6+ and the pics looked better when it comes to the details with the zoom in to the picture.
So.. What do you think.. Is the problem with my eye? And what is the best settings for the xperia xz camera?
It is on nougat.
Thanks
Use manual settings.
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Use manual settings.
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Thanks... but can you elaborate more? like camera resolution settings, what to enable what to disable.. extra.
When you use 23 mega pixel sensore and use F2.0 with 24mm lens, you can't catch light very well.
Test this:
When you take picture out-door and middle of the day, XZ shot better than S6,S7,Pixel etc
Because you have bright environment and G-lense can get all light. Little noises and more details.
Set you device on 23mp (or 20mp for landscape shot)
When you shot in-door, better set you device on 8mp!
* NOTE: Google Pixel take amazing photos, why?
Smartphones can't compete with expensive DSLR camera in optical area. Use big pixel+less pixels is the real solution! (or make a giant camera like Nokia 808 and Samsung Galaxy camera).
Sony must learn some thing are more important then number of pixels! (and new flagship, Xperia XZ premium have 19mp and large pixel!!! Good for you sony)
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When you use 23 mega pixel sensore and use F2.0 with 24mm lens, you can't catch light very well.
Test this:
When you take picture out-door and middle of the day, XZ shot better than S6,S7,Pixel etc
Because you have bright environment and G-lense can get all light. Little noises and more details.
Set you device on 23mp (or 20mp for landscape shot)
When you shot in-door, better set you device on 8mp!
* NOTE: Google Pixel take amazing photos, why?
Smartphones can't compete with expensive DSLR camera in optical area. Use big pixel+less pixels is the real solution! (or make a giant camera like Nokia 808 and Samsung Galaxy camera).
Sony must learn some thing are more important then number of pixels! (and new flagship, Xperia XZ premium have 19mp and large pixel!!! Good for you sony)
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Thanks alot!!
In Door shot:
23mp
http://uupload.ir/files/sc1z_23mp.jpg
100% crop
http://uupload.ir/files/g5gg_23mp_crop.jpg
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http://uupload.ir/files/imww_8mp.jpg
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Test different mode, iso, shot speed, resolution, etc yourself and finding better model.
i had xperia z,z2,z5 and now xz and i can confirm that its definetly far better then predecesors maybe z5 compete a little bit...ill share u my xperiance xz camera....i always use 20-23mp for landscape pictures because it captures more details but only if there is enough light outside... if there is low light i always use less MP so in my case 8mp and i play a little bit with shutterspeed and iso thats it...but dont expect XZ to have same lowlight shots like sgs7 does(i had one) ...s7 is simply the best in the lowlight area cuz of camera lens and pixel size... u cant have the best from both worlds
Sony update camera app...
You find app inside apkmirror
1-faster launch
2-slow motion mode inside maine UI
3-fix little lags when change between front and back camera
4- a little better focus and little noise when shot in-door mode
Bad thing: you can't install that like normal app install. Device must be rooted and apk inject /system/priv-app
I test updated camera... More test and shoot share soon. Post update soon.
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Sony update camera app...
You find app inside apkmirror
1-faster launch
2-slow motion mode inside maine UI
3-fix little lags when change between front and back camera
4- a little better focus and little noise when shot in-door mode
Bad thing: you can't install that like normal app install. Device must be rooted and apk inject /system/priv-app
I test updated camera... More test and shoot share soon. Post update soon.
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thanks for the info... and will it be included in a next update for non rooted devices?
Hi,
I'm a new buyer of POCO X3.
I read many reviews about this smarthpone but I didn't understand if the camera focus is fixed or not.
If the camera focus is fixed ONLY for MACRO pics or also for "standard" shots.
Can you help me?
Other question, I seen a video where an user installed on app ALWAYS ON EDGE. I know this smarthphone isn't AMOLED but I didn't understand if I can installed it on or not?What do you think about this app.
I had a Huawei P8 and I liked RGB led...now, without this I have to check every time my POCO X3 because I don't know, when the led light is on, if I received a call, a message or something else.
Thanks in advance
1st question: The Primary Rear Camera is not fixed focus, and the dedicated Macro Camera is fixed focus (like most of every phones out there equipped with macro like macro is bad actually)
The macro on the poco has a lot of optical abberation (the blue ligns around the pics or in the edges on a subject), paired with a dying 2MP sensor is nuts!
Better to just use the Primary Camera, just take a closeup shot and crop it up, you'll get better textures and details without sacrificing the megapixels, better than the trash macro cam
2nd Question: yeah it will still work but it would take a lot of battery because LCDs are backlit... It cant control pixel one by one... Idk just try and observe
Thanks for reply but I don't understand if, for example, in a panorama, I can focus a tree or a specific point or not.
Regards
I don't understand why new phones have a lot of cameras and only one camera have a lot of mpx other have 8mpx or less, is it so hard to make 1 better camera than fill whole back of the phone? Also cameras stick out on new phones so is easier to break it. I think is better to make just one camera with e.g 48mpx than 3 more. Also in my opinion professional camera should be to making photos than normal smartphone.
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I don't understand why new phones have a lot of cameras and only one camera have a lot of mpx other have 8mpx or less, is it so hard to make 1 better camera than fill whole back of the phone? Also cameras stick out on new phones so is easier to break it. I think is better to make just one camera with e.g 48mpx and 3 more. Also in my opinion professional camera should be to making photos than normal smartphone.
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Welcome to XDA.
Multiple cams because there's inadequate space for a optical zoom lense.
It's just marketing thing. 3 cameras are "better" than one good main camera.
All these 8MP ultrawide cameras and 2MP macro cameras are pretty much trash.
Dayuser said:
It's just marketing thing. 3 cameras are "better" than one good main camera.
All these 8MP ultrawide cameras and 2MP macro cameras are pretty much trash.
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My 12mp ultra wide does ok even with the fixed focus. When you can't pan back ultra wides are your only option.
My biggest complaint is that the cameras aren't well protected. A sapphire lens cover would be fairly scratch resistant, but would probably add a bit to the cost.
DonutsAreGood said:
My biggest complaint is that the cameras aren't well protected. A sapphire lens cover would be fairly scratch resistant, but would probably add a bit to the cost.
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A good case is all that's needed. I live in the desert (sand and grit everywhere) and this N10+ is 3.5 yo has zero scratches or mars on the factory cam protector.
Case it, keep your fingers off the cam protector and clean with a dry microfiber cloth occasionally. No fuss or bother.
They are generally cheap and easy to replace if damaged.
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My 12mp ultra wide does ok even with the fixed focus. When you can't pan back ultra wides are your only option.
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Your phone ultrawide is 16MP.. As i remember right that you still have Galaxy Note 10?
Dayuser said:
Your phone ultrawide is 16MP.. As i remember right that you still have Galaxy Note 10?
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My bad, yeah 16mp. After the N10+ Samsung went nuts with the cams. The N20U ie the humpback. Then then the bs highest mp count race was on.
@masturbino69
With regards to thread's title: I think this article
Why Do Some Smartphones Use Multiple Cameras?
Lots of high-end smartphones have added multiple camera modules and lenses to the back of their designs. But why? The fact is that they do different things for different phones, so we’re here to break it all down for you.
www.howtogeek.com
explains it well