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Hey. So today I massively effed up and caused my phone to go into a non-repairable bootloop. After flashing my ROM I managed to get it back, but then the encryption got screwed and I ended up erasing all of my data. Not too bad because I had a back up. Except I didn't... Samsung Cloud did a **** job at preserving anything, I lost a TON of stuff and have to reinstall everything.
Anyhow, I've come to the conclusion that neither Samsung nor Google offer a stable, steady or reliable backup system (Google pretty much only re-downloads app from Play which is... nice... I guess). That is the ONLY thing I miss from iPhones, but I digress...
Does anyone have a good, solid and trustworthy alternative for automatic backups that would actually keep my ****? I know I can do it manually, but I tend to forget and I don't want the hassle of dealing with multiple apps and connections and whatnot.
Any suggestion welcome.
Thanks!

Titanium backup PRO is probably the best suited to your requirements, but requires root.
Here's a decent overview on it: https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2011/...automated-app-and-settings-backup-on-android/
Also their website https://www.titaniumtrack.com/titanium-backup.html which mentions scheduled backups in the pro section
If you have TWRP you could also do nandroid backups but it's all manual.

Beanvee7 said:
Titanium backup PRO is probably the best suited to your requirements, but requires root.
Here's a decent overview on it: https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2011/...automated-app-and-settings-backup-on-android/
Also their website https://www.titaniumtrack.com/titanium-backup.html which mentions scheduled backups in the pro section
If you have TWRP you could also do nandroid backups but it's all manual.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I definitely know how powerful Titanium is, but the issue is that I was going to retire from rooting and custom recoveries; it's what got me into this mess to start with. Plus, aside from using Titanium I really had very little day to day use for root and pretty much none that I absolutely couldn't do without, so I decided to just stop messing with it.
I find it infuriating that there is no decent backup system that doesn't require root; it seems like the most basic service to have! Sometimes I wonder if my account is not to blame because Google backup seems to say it keeps app data, passwords and such, yet I NEVER get any of it back... But enough *****ing, back to searching.

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Ok so I'm wanting to root my inspire. What all do I need to do this? I dl'ed bubbys dl. How do I back my phone up? All my contacts and pics? Lost them once, not wanting to do that again. Titanium backup, do I need it? Paid or free version? Bare with me here, this is my first Android. Been an iPhone user since they came out but it seems its a lot easier to hack them then it is my inspire. I searched around but didn't really see any answers. Thanks in advance
Personally, I'd recommend attn1's Ace Hack Kit over Bubby's, since you'll need it if you ever want to go back to stock s-on, and it has some functionality that bubby's doesn't. I know for backing stuff up, Dropbox works really well. I use that for pics/vids AND contacts (menu>export>move to dropbox folder). I don't think that's the best way to do contacts, but I have never lost one. Titanium Backup is more for apps, but aside from saving you the effort of reconfiguring apps that have logins/preferences or whatever, there isn't much benefit over just reinstalling them from the market.
Ok so with his I cannot go back to stock if I would need too. Didn't know that, thanks. Ill have to find that download then and maybe try that out. Is it as easy as his method? I know there is a YouTube video I watched of his way and seems fairly easy.
And can I use a Mac to root with attn1 way?
#1: The videos are outdated, but "The Effen Manual" that attn1 includes is as easy to follow as it gets.
#2: I don't know, I don't use a Mac, but if you read his thread, I'm sure someone has answered that question.
Yeah I just googled attn1 and saw that he had said the vids are out dated and to read the manual. Also there is a link for osx so ill try that. If it don't work ill just run to best buy and pick up a netbook lol
vdubguy83 said:
Ok so with his I cannot go back to stock if I would need too. Didn't know that, thanks. Ill have to find that download then and maybe try that out. Is it as easy as his method? I know there is a YouTube video I watched of his way and seems fairly easy.
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I don't know that it's necessarily true that you can't go back to S-On if you use bubbys tool to root.
I'm pretty sure there's been instances of people doing it, though it may be that you have to use the hack kit at that point.
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Once you use bubby's you can go back to stock. But yes you do have to use the hack kit to do so. Both give you the same s-off. Bubby's just pushes the commands to your phone in the background instead of you doing it yourself.
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I just used bubby's this morning, have never rooted before and it was rather easy and didn't take too long.
I had to do it twice, however, bc it wouldn't find the SID, stating something about my HTC drivers, so I used a market app to get the code. (Excuse my lack of terminology knowledge!!)
Although I should have, I didn't back up everything; only my images (which I just dropped to my desktop); after successful root everything was gone so I went through the settings "wizard" and made sure to log into HTC and within a few hours my contacts and messages were back.
I didn't want my apps back, so not sure how you back that up.
So I had all the stock apps plus ROM manager and superuser.
Now off to play around some more
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the only problem i have with rooting my phone is actually downloading the hack kit or bubby's one click method. i've turned off all the right things but still nothing. any advice?
thanks
I still didn't root, sorta backed out last night haha. Wouldn't know why I would need to go back to stock once rooted but I guess all is possible. I don't really care about losing my apps, ill just redownload then, its just my pictures and contacts I'm worried about losing. I think I'm going to use bubbys root tonight and see what happens. Thanks for the info. Also there are a bunch of apps I don't use on the phone is there a way to freeze them after root besides getting titanium backup pro? Or does that seem like the best way?
Plus I have a 2gb sdcard. Should I use this one for gold card? And do I need a mobile terminal app for root? If so which one?
vdubguy83 said:
I still didn't root, sorta backed out last night haha. Wouldn't know why I would need to go back to stock once rooted but I guess all is possible. I don't really care about losing my apps, ill just redownload then, its just my pictures and contacts I'm worried about losing. I think I'm going to use bubbys root tonight and see what happens. Thanks for the info. Also there are a bunch of apps I don't use on the phone is there a way to freeze them after root besides getting titanium backup pro? Or does that seem like the best way?
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If you set your contacts to be backed up on google, they will automatically reload for you.
Your pictures should now be on your SD card. If you are going to use that same SD card to make your gold card, then it will indeed need to be formatted and you'd lose whatever is on there, of course. All you have to do is plug the phone in to your computer, mount as disk drive, and make a folder on your computer, and copy the SD cards contents (or just the pictures, if you want) to your hard drive.
When your done, you can put it all back.
The only thing you will lose unavoidably is any app-specific data that you would need to have root to back up (game scores, etc.)
Once rooted even this data will be able to be accessed from that point forward... You won't even lose that, again... Its just the initial act of gaining root, that you're faced with a one-time loss of specific data.
Nearly everything else can be backed up "in the cloud" via Google or moved someplace else by you temporarily.
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Ok thanks for the info. Ill make sure to back my pics and contacts up some way before I root.
Bubbys one click on the phone at a point and when you get the error are you sure you have the sync drivers I selected the sync option on the usb connection manager.them switched back after .. I had to do it twice but good know
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vdubguy83 said:
Ok thanks for the info. Ill make sure to back my pics and contacts up some way before I root.
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As long as your contacts are Google based and/or you have your phone set to "backup your settings on Google," you shouldnt have to worry about contacts.
If you aren't sure log in to the full gmail in a browser and check to see if your contacts are visible there. If they are, you're good.
I haven't even thought about my contacts over the span of 4 Android phones, several roots, and a couple of custom Rom flashes... They just magically re-appear... Thanks to Google.
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Even though I am new to this forum, I rooted my Inspire 4g using Ace-Hack-Kit v9 without a clue to what it was actually doing in each step. Needless to say, it was very discomforting at a thought of bricking my phone. But since then, I have been through turning off the eng-s then going back to stock again to turn back the eng-s again using the v9. Now, since I know what each step of the v9 is doing, I am more comfortable using it then the newer automated v10 or the v11 (if it ain't broke, why change). And, I hate to repeat above post, but I have tried no less than 7 roms since the root. And thanks to the Google’s backup option, other than the saved games and such, all of my apps and the contact information were automatically reinstalled through wifi within an hour of connection (I did have to import my outlook contact into Gmail account first). So I never bother with a backup especially I really don't have anything on this phone to miss (didn't have the phone long enough).

apps not restoring after hard reset

I wish to restore my apps somehow how do I do that? note that I moved almost all apps' data to sd card just before I had to factory hard reset. how do I protect myself from future data loss?
I have had my g2x for five weeks and with the help of xda forums I had actually begun to love this phone.
after getting a few apps like where's my droid and touch keys dimmer, this morning while doing my daily power off and on again my g2x got stuck in a boot loop somehow. T-Mobile Rep told me to hard reset. the problem is I lost all my free apps and only a few I paid for are back. this sucks I had a terrible experience with the htc g2 and almost went for an iPhone ... now this happens and my totally personalized once awesome g2x is back to a stock pos with a history of fail
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To backup apps and their data the best backup app outthere is probably Titanium Backup. This will however not be able to backup your complete ROM + custom stuff.
To make a complete blueprint of your current setup you could google and look up "android NAND backup". Its not as easy as titanium backup i would say but would be a complete blueprint of the device.
Also depending on the cause of the bootloop your dataloss could maybe have been avoided. Calling support hotline usually results in them telling you what is the easist for them. Meaning sledge hammer method -> hardreset. Less work for them, more for you!

Delete Bloatware ... GB 2.3.4

I'm pretty sure i already know the answer on this, but just checking. Is there any way to delete bloatware via adb or something without rooting? OR (before the flame party starts) ... is there any way to root without doing a factory reset?
NOW: the reason why i ask is i just found out one of my mom's friends also has a shift. She's been getting quota errors on her phone and even though she's uninstalled some apps, a lot is being ate by stock installed bloatware that she doesn't use. I'd like to be able to get some of that cleared out for her, but she's not super tech savvy and I'd rather not inconvenience her with having to reinstall everything and set it all back up.
If not, I'll give her the option of a full root and run an a2sd rom on it for her too. Just trying to see what all of my options are. I apologize in advance if this has already been covered. I haven't had much time to search. Internet's off at home and my signal's been too spotty to use the xda app. Only have time to check stuff at work and I couldn't find exactly what I needed.
Without root I doubt you could do enough for it to even matter.
Only thing you can do without root is install a factory ruu image, which will wipe everything, but will also be an actual fresh install rather than just formatting user data with a factory reset.
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Can't she just use the native 2.2+ apps 2 sd? Like go into the app info and click move to sd. Otherwise i like to use zdBox which will kinda do a batch move. Also it will clear cache and a lot of other things. There's also a program called link2sd which will do the ext partition move and native apps2sd.
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tbag1122 said:
Can't she just use the native 2.2+ apps 2 sd? Like go into the app info and click move to sd. Otherwise i like to use zdBox which will kinda do a batch move. Also it will clear cache and a lot of other things. There's also a program called link2sd which will do the ext partition move and native apps2sd.
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She probably could but like I said, she's not really tech savvy. I could set it up for her, but it wouldn't put her mind at ease. I'm pretty sure she needs the visual of looking in her app drawer and NOT seeing the apps before she can fully stop stressing about her phone. But we'll see. I have the next couple days off so I'll talk to her. If she doesn't have too much data to move I'll just root and help her set up either newSENSE or Supreme and call it a day. If that proves to be too big of a hassle I'll offer her the native apps2sd option and try to convince her that her phone won't blow up on her. Or it might not matter cuz she might be upgrading ... in which case I'll just get the phone off of her as a backup and root it for me lol.
TDJ512 said:
Without root I doubt you could do enough for it to even matter.
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I guess my main inquiry was is there a way to "root" enough to remove bloatware. I think before they found the 2.3.3 exploit though the best that could be done was "freezing" while in temp root but i think all the apps came back after reboot. Dunno...
Root it, and do it right. She and you will be much happier in the long run. My friends girl was the same if not worse about her EVO4G. She thought that Sprint would call and accuse her of rooting the device . I let her think what she wanted to. Rooted and Mikafied his EVO. After two days he called me and said she changed her mind after using his phone. The biggest thing is letting a person see what the differences are, and what the advantages will be to Rooting.
Convincing her of the benefits of rooting is no biggie ... the hassle i was trying to avoid was her having to completely set up everything on her phone again. Not the biggest inconvenience, but she might be debating getting another phone too. I'm not overly pressed about it. I won't see her again until next weekend, and at that time i'll let her make her own decision. Worst case scenario, she decides to opt for something like the Galaxy S3 and i talk her into giving me her shift as a backup. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I was just wondering if there was a less obtrusive way to delete her bloatware than a full wipe/RUU.
Well either way, hope it works out for the best .

Before rooting, any chance for Android L?

Was wondering whether or not there's a chance of us receiving any more updates before I root with towelroot. Was also wondering if I should take any safety precautions before rooting and then getting the xposed framework, because I am a noob when it comes to this but I have been doing some research about it in the past few months. I read online that I should do a backup of the software but I'm not sure whether I would be able to restore it since our bootloader is locked and everything. I'm on the latest stock on my Verizon Samsung Galaxy S3 (4.4.2 NE1). Thanks for all of the help in advance :laugh:
No one's out there? :'(
I'd really doubt that we get any more updates. I rooted with Towelroot, deleted a bunch of bloat, and couldn't be happier with how my phone is running. It'll keep me going just fine until I decide what phone I want to go with next.
jmz768 said:
I'd really doubt that we get any more updates. I rooted with Towelroot, deleted a bunch of bloat, and couldn't be happier with how my phone is running. It'll keep me going just fine until I decide what phone I want to go with next.
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Oh okay, do you recommend backing up anything or doing anything before or after rooting?
Mon431 said:
Oh okay, do you recommend backing up anything or doing anything before or after rooting?
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Backing up is always recommended, but honestly, I didn't. I did a search for apps that are safe to remove, read through those threads and blog posts, and went for it. I've had absolutely no problems and I stripped out a lot of bloat.
If you're nervous about removing something you shouldn't, pick up the pay version of Titanium Backup. That will allow you to freeze programs and then you can be sure they're not essential before removing them.
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Backing up is always recommended, but honestly, I didn't. I did a search for apps that are safe to remove, read through those threads and blog posts, and went for it. I've had absolutely no problems and I stripped out a lot of bloat.
If you're nervous about removing something you shouldn't, pick up the pay version of Titanium Backup. That will allow you to freeze programs and then you can be sure they're not essential before removing them.
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Alright, what should I use to backup?
jmz768 said:
Backing up is always recommended, but honestly, I didn't. I did a search for apps that are safe to remove, read through those threads and blog posts, and went for it. I've had absolutely no problems and I stripped out a lot of bloat.
If you're nervous about removing something you shouldn't, pick up the pay version of Titanium Backup. That will allow you to freeze programs and then you can be sure they're not essential before removing them.
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Nvm, I rooted and got Titanium Backup. What bloatware/other apps have you safely uninstalled and did they make your device run better?

Necessary backups before flashing

Hey,
I might get s8+ really soon and coming from Sony, I've been wondering, is there anything worth backing up before I flash it or right after I flash it?
In Sony devices there's TA partition containing bootloader, IMEI etc which is worth backing up as you can restore TA backup and make your phone look as if it was never flashed. It's there something similar in S8? Or should I just flash it and don't worry about anything?
Thanks for answers.
Welcome to the 'Samsungverse'
olokos said:
Hey,
I might get s8+ really soon and coming from Sony, I've been wondering, is there anything worth backing up before I flash it or right after I flash it?
In Sony devices there's TA partition containing bootloader, IMEI etc which is worth backing up as you can restore TA backup and make your phone look as if it was never flashed. It's there something similar in S8? Or should I just flash it and don't worry about anything?
Thanks for answers.
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As a former Sony fanboy, first of all, welcome.
I know that I made the right choice ditching my Z5, though to be honest, it was a bit overdue. My previous disdain of Samsung devices was due first of all to the design and secondly, the bloatware of Touchwiz, but with the S8+ I was stunned into submission.
My question to you, is why do you think you need to flash, before even getting the device, and then what were you thinking of flashing. My experience so far is that there really is no need to Root this phone, there are so many features baked in that are not present on other Android devices. It really is an amazing phone.
I haven't really looked in detail at the threads dealing with flashing, but there are a number that can be found if you do an XDA search. The process of flashing seems rather more complicated than on Sony devices, and depending on what you flash, will trigger Knox, which is a security protocol that a number of secure apps need to run, such as 'Samsung Pay' and 'secure folder'. Tripping Knox also voids your warranty and is a consequence of 'Rooting' and is IRREVERSIBLE.
IMHO, the few custom ROM's that are available don't seem to substantially add value to the overall user experience, but I'm sure there are voices here that will disagree. For instance, there are native baked in features on the device that to all intents and purposes make 'Root' dependent apps such as 'Greenify' and 'Titanium Backup' redundant., and if you want to debloat there are 'non root' apps such as 'Package disabler' and 'Adhell' which is also a good ad blocker.
If you still feel the need to flash there are plenty of guides here on XDA, but good practise, is always to make a full backup.
olokos said:
Hey,
I might get s8+ really soon and coming from Sony, I've been wondering, is there anything worth backing up before I flash it or right after I flash it?
In Sony devices there's TA partition containing bootloader, IMEI etc which is worth backing up as you can restore TA backup and make your phone look as if it was never flashed. It's there something similar in S8? Or should I just flash it and don't worry about anything?
Thanks for answers.
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You should do a "nandroid/TWRP" backup as soon as you install TWRP the first time you load it before you make any "System Modification".
Do a total back up plus an EFS only back up in TWRP. Then reboot Recovery and this time you can modify your system and disable encryption.
This way you have a total stock back up if later on something goes wrong you have a way out!
But please search XDA forum for more details.
Good luck.
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As a former Sony fanboy, first of all, welcome.
I know that I made the right choice ditching my Z5, though to be honest, it was a bit overdue. My previous disdain of Samsung devices was due first of all to the design and secondly, the bloatware of Touchwiz, but with the S8+ I was stunned into submission.
My question to you, is why do you think you need to flash, before even getting the device, and then what were you thinking of flashing. My experience so far is that there really is no need to Root this phone, there are so many features baked in that are not present on other Android devices. It really is an amazing phone.
I haven't really looked in detail at the threads dealing with flashing, but there are a number that can be found if you do an XDA search. The process of flashing seems rather more complicated than on Sony devices, and depending on what you flash, will trigger Knox, which is a security protocol that a number of secure apps need to run, such as 'Samsung Pay' and 'secure folder'. Tripping Knox also voids your warranty and is a consequence of 'Rooting' and is IRREVERSIBLE.
IMHO, the few custom ROM's that are available don't seem to substantially add value to the overall user experience, but I'm sure there are voices here that will disagree. For instance, there are native baked in features on the device that to all intents and purposes make 'Root' dependent apps such as 'Greenify' and 'Titanium Backup' redundant., and if you want to debloat there are 'non root' apps such as 'Package disabler' and 'Adhell' which is also a good ad blocker.
If you still feel the need to flash there are plenty of guides here on XDA, but good practise, is always to make a full backup.
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First of all, I enjoy modifying phone to my needs, this is how it all started for me. Most importantly I want to develop a kernel for S8+. It made world of a difference on my Z1 and I want to continue my work on S8+, from scratch, but still. I'm currently having a discussion with Samsung support whether they respect EU laws regarding Knox and warranty. As you can see, I've done tons of work so far and I want to continue doing so.
Secure folder doesnt really matter for me, Samsung Pay is soooo limited in Poland, or for that matter, any other sort of payment with NFC/phone, I haven't seen a single shop that was screaming that they support that in Warsaw, but I wasn't necessairly looking around for that, as apart from shop having to have that, bank has to have that and phone aswell, so too much hassle for little gain.
As for other options of blocking ads, they all run actively, not passively, so they put more strain on CPU, package disabler most likely does the same thing as just disabling an app manually in settings -> applications. It doesn't free up any memory in fact.
Not to mention other cool mods that can be done on this device.
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You should do a "nandroid/TWRP" backup as soon as you install TWRP the first time you load it before you make any "System Modification".
Do a total back up plus an EFS only back up in TWRP. Then reboot Recovery and this time you can modify your system and disable encryption.
This way you have a total stock back up if later on something goes wrong you have a way out!
But please search XDA forum for more details.
Good luck.
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Thanks, this is exactly what I needed to know. I'll see what samsung support says about whether they respect EU warranty laws or not and if they do then I'll trip knox instantaneously.
@kxdaorbit I didn't know that samsung implemented a firewall inside of their devices, that's pretty awesome! Adhell might actually do wonders, thanks for info man!

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