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I realize many of you see this as a dumb question. But I see a lot of posts about radios. I've tried looking around the web what it is but couldn't really find good explaining information. I see a lot of posts for flashing the radio and a lot of different versions.
I'm running MIUI on my Sensation 4G and if radio is something I need to flash then I want to know what it is before I try flashing and brick my phone. So I've managed to find the version I have so if someone can point me the right direction I'd be very grateful.
So the main question is - WHAT IS RADIO?
So this is what I got
Radio - 10.14.9035.01_M
the radio pretty much just has to do with the wireless connectivity of ur phone, so ur wifi, bluetooth, 3g all controlled by your phones radio.
you shouldnt have to flash a new radio for every rom, if your facing problems, and think a new radio could fix them then you could try a new radio if you wanted.
hope this helped
Lol oh yea definitely! very simply put too! I just was wondering why there's so many versions and chance of bricking dam thing.
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maxe30is said:
Lol oh yea definitely! very simply put too! I just was wondering why there's so many versions and chance of bricking dam thing.
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Flashing the radio is just about the only sure fire way of bricking it.. It's one of those things people are most skeptical about flashing. No nandroid will save you with an improperly flashed radio
EDIT: I've been flashing roms for a long time now and not once have I ever had to flash a new radio.
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OK. I installed the HD Revolution 3.6.9 ROM days ago and have 2 major issues. As I am a new member, I am unable to post in the developmental section. Grateful for the OP to ask the question as I am also seeking to know "what radio is".
Although, I also want to ask - what is a kernel?
I believe thousands of members installed that HD Revolution 3.6.9 ROM and I couldn't find any reference for bluetooth and mms issues.
My phone can only detect my Nokia phone, my Plantronics bluetooth M100 is undetectable.
I am also unable to send MMS and yes, I tried the original settings, called the network and played with different settings but problem persists.
I checked the Hardware Information of the phone and it says "Bluetooth address - unavailable"
Kernel is a bridge between applications and the actual data processing done at the hardware level. So basically kernel tells all the hardware what to do (overclocked processors, undervolted batteries and etc) So far best one I've tried for Sensation 4G is the 2.6.35.14 Trinity S4G. Processor is overclocked to 1.7Ghz from stock 1.2 Ghz and the battery life is great!
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OK. I installed the HD Revolution 3.6.9 ROM days ago and have 2 major issues. As I am a new member, I am unable to post in the developmental section. Grateful for the OP to ask the question as I am also seeking to know "what radio is".
Although, I also want to ask - what is a kernel?
I believe thousands of members installed that HD Revolution 3.6.9 ROM and I couldn't find any reference for bluetooth and mms issues.
My phone can only detect my Nokia phone, my Plantronics bluetooth M100 is undetectable.
I am also unable to send MMS and yes, I tried the original settings, called the network and played with different settings but problem persists.
I checked the Hardware Information of the phone and it says "Bluetooth address - unavailable"
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btw try wiping you sd card and then flashing the Rom. helped me few time (im no developer )
IAmTheOneTheyCallNeo said:
Flashing the radio is just about the only sure fire way of bricking it.. It's one of those things people are most skeptical about flashing. No nandroid will save you with an improperly flashed radio
EDIT: I've been flashing roms for a long time now and not once have I ever had to flash a new radio.
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Obviously some radios are better than others?
Like the goal for man:
We want the best and we want it now.
Hardcore69er said:
Obviously some radios are better than others?
Like the goal for man:
We want the best and we want it now.
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Well that I'm not sure how accurate this statement is. That's why I started this thread just to know what it is. But from all the info I gathered online, you don't really need to flash a radio. Every thread with radios I saw that ppl will put a warning that you might brick your phone. So, my phone works great, never had any problems so I'll stay on the safe side (for now) and just do more research
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Well that I'm not sure how accurate this statement is. That's why I started this thread just to know what it is. But from all the info I gathered online, you don't really need to flash a radio. Every thread with radios I saw that ppl will put a warning that you might brick your phone. So, my phone works great, never had any problems so I'll stay on the safe side (for now) and just do more research
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Good decision..
PURPOSE:
The goal of this project is aimed at helping junior developers and sr. dev. assistants to understand the:
Subtle differences in hardware, particularly the radio, processor, and gps, which exists between various devices which are all called "Atrix 2"
To understand which hardware versions of the Atrix 2, correspond to the various geographic regions of the world, and which carriers provide service to or sale these hardware versions.
To gain a solid understanding of the reasoning why various kernels, ROMs, radio drivers, gps drivers, system images, and frameworks can or cannot be mixed and matched to the various hardware versions of the Atrix 2.
WHY:
It can scarcely be overstated, how powerful one's first experience with flashing a ROM can be, on the uninitiated android user. It may push them far away, never to return, or it could be the hook that reels in one of the best developers ever to rise and serve our community.
Additionally, because these differences in hardware, represent CRUCIAL choices that a junior developer must be confident in their discrimination of, this well organized and researched forum resource might jumpstart the future growth of the development work being done on the Atrix 2 platform.
METHODOLOGY:
The XDA Forums must be searched carefully for the best possible keywords, related to hardware, etc., and then scaned prudently for deconstruction and understanding of reported trial/error and other experiences users have shared, which will shed light on hardware/ROM/radio/system.img compatibility.
The relevant specifications for all known model numbers of the Atrix 2 phone, must be filtered and posted here, for an easy, summative, side-by-side comparison of reported differences.
Senior Developers who have been working on the Atrix 2 and similar software, as well as hackers, ROM cooks, mod-ers, scripters, and even themers, must participate and correct any errors posted here, in order to synthesize an accurate, comprehensive, and up-to-date set of hypotheses which match hardware versions to software capable of running on them.
XDA Members who are Atrix 2 owners, or who otherwise might be in a position to know (such as through employment), need to share their understanding here, based on their part of the world or where they purchased their phone from, and thus add to the set of hypotheses, the possible exceptions to the rules based on international ROMs, and overseas versions of the hardware.
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MANUFACTURER PROJECT PAGES & SPECS:
ATRIX NAMES & MODEL NUMBERS:
(links below, lead to official Motorola product web pages)
ATRIX™ ME860, MB861
ATRIX™ 4G MB860
ATRIX™ 2 ME865
ATRIX™ 2 MB865
... BUT these are just the United States versions, and this still does not address the undoubted differences in software loaded (radios, etc) dependent on the Telecom Carrier (AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, Verizon).
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METHODOLOGY EXAMPLE:
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EXAMPLE FORENSIC DECONSTRUCTION, KNOWLEDGE BUILDING:
Take for instance, the case of multiple converging lines of evidence, which together can be used to create an educated guess, which is then tested by further research of reported user experiences. Thusly, a friend of mine was recently kind enough to let me know he had uploaded a ROM file, he knew I was eagerly awaiting:
Hi Paul,
I just uploaded the %$#@*&"}! ROM ... Enjoy!
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QUESTIONS IMMEDIATELY PRESENTING:
Is my MB860 the same exact hardware that this ROM was previously running on(?), regardless of which carrier sells it? For instance, an ME865 is not the same hardwware as an MB865, but all ME865's are exactly the same hardware (in the US), regardless of which carrier they are sold for/by, and likewise, all MB865's are the same. Is this correct?
Is there enough differences between the ME865, and the MB865, such that some things can NOT be flashed on one, but they can on the other (like, the radio, versus a kernel, or ROM)??
REFERENCE THREAD & SEEKING ANSWERS:
I've read in a post (#3, in this thread) by Jim Bridgman that (referring to the MEARET ICS ROM that member Xanadu is running on his A2, that...
"...it will not work if you have an ME865 or a US version of the phone."
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...which I interpret to mean ANY version of the Atrix 2 phone, which was manufactured for sale and use specifically in the United States, will not run the leaked ICS ROM (Mearet) currently in use by Xanadu.
But, just when I think I've got a grip on the meaning, Xanadu follows up, 2 posts later, that
"It works fine on ME865 and MB865 except at&t units."
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... which is of course, one of the reasons I'm led to think that there could(??) somehow be two different version of HARDWARE which are both given the name MB865 -- one version is the US version, on AT&T, and the other is in Weinberg (presumably, in Germany, the location of member 'Xanadu').
Exactly one post later, I see further insights from member 'marcher233' (Beijing, China), who writes:
"We have two kind of LEAK roms at China: CN and HKTW versions. They both work on ME865 China Mainland and Hong Kong/Taiwan devices."
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CONCLUDING HYPOTHESIS:
I strongly suspected, that AT&T was providing service in China and HK/TW (greed is the same, whether in communist nations or otherwise), so this bolstered my suspicions that just because two phone both read ME865, does NOT mean they are the same hardware. Afterall, there is actually another digit on the end, at least, on my phone.... it shows Model Number: MB8656
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NEW HW QUESTION:
Thusly, (and to some degree, spawned resultantly from the continue research stimulation) we arrive at yet more, NEW questions.
What is the significance of this last digit in the model number, which is so rarely found in the literature from the manufacturer?
Other than risking softbrick, what is the best method to determine if a kernel or ROM for one phone, is flashable on another?
Thanks so much, for any insights you can give me.
Best Regards,
Paul
AT&T has a MB865. Theres an, I guess you could call it 'international' version with the same model number, frequently seen in middle eastern and asian markets (MEARET and SEARET software versions) and then there's the ME865, which is not (I don't think) a US release. All 3 have different hardware. They can flash images back and forth, but cannot use software updates meant for one of the others.
If course, its really late, and I just read these forums, I'm not a dev or anything...I could be wrong.
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The atrix 2 is only MB865 and ME865 mb860 is the atrix 4G otherwise known as the original atrix.
the me865 and MB865 are actually different hardware, but close enough to be called the same phone. the different versions of the mb865 are different firmware versions, but may or may not be actual different hardware.
roms can generally be flashed to any of the A2 devices.
each has it's own fxz. you can only flash the ATT us version with that fxz, but the international ones like SEARET and MEARET can be flashed on each other.
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The atrix 2 is only MB865 and ME865 mb860 is the atrix 4G otherwise known as the original atrix.
the me865 and MB865 are actually different hardware, but close enough to be called the same phone. the different versions of the mb865 are different firmware versions, but may or may not be actual different hardware.
roms can generally be flashed to any of the A2 devices.
each has it's own fxz. you can only flash the ATT us version with that fxz, but the international ones like SEARET and MEARET can be flashed on each other.
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So up guys with att us version cannot flash searet or mearet Roms?
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I posted this a few weeks ago in response to questions about running leaks on different version of the A2. I think this should clear this all up, I have done way too much research on our phone, for the purpose of compiling kernels, and getting AOSP to work, so this is what has come from this research.
The original post can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26993870&postcount=268
The Atrix2 has 5 iterations if you look at slight hardware differences alone... The ME865 is a completely different phone (2 versions of that one) for all intents and purposes.
Then there are 3 different Hardware revisions in the MB865, you have the asian version, then the Euro version, then the US version, each one carries a different GPS chip, and the Asia version has a different wifi chipset from the Euro and US versions.... now just because the actual chips are different does not mean that they operate differently, just that the software kernel drivers ARE different, so are the apps within the sofware for those parts....
Hence all the different software releases that this phone has, which includes the kernel and those chip drivers.. that is the whole reason this sucks so much for us devs.... especially if we are working on something like cyanogen mod, since there is NO source for the MB865 phones, only the ME865 phones have had the source released.
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Now, so, you might be able to flash any of the leaks or ROMs for any versions of these phones, but unless you flash the radio and wifi parts separately, your phone may have some issues with GPS, phone calls, roaming, WIFI, etc. You may experience some, all or none of these issues, with an international phone, but if you try and run an international version on the AT&T phone you will have a glorified tablet with no communications at all. We have seen this when the 2.3.6 leaks were out, and people on AT&T were flashing the international and ME865 fxz and leaks, and they had a TON of issues.
To everyone besides the OP, why is it that this subject can never die around here? Just do a search and see for yourselves, the issues that others faced before doing something dumb like flashing other versions of the software that are not for your phone.
To PRichardson, what I have quoted above should suffice for a good explanation for your documentation on the OP, I would hope.
The one thing is though, that ANYTHING to do with the OG Atrix 4G models (ME860, MB860, ME861) needs to go away, that phone is not even in the same universe as ours, since it uses a tegra chipset, and there is NO way roms for it will run on our phones, nor our ROMs on thier phones.
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Greeting Jim (& others),
jimbridgman said:
...To everyone besides the OP, why is it that this subject can never die around here? Just do a search and see for yourselves, the issues that others faced before doing something dumb like flashing other versions of the software that are not for your phone.
To PRichardson, what I have quoted above should suffice for a good explanation for your documentation on the OP, I would hope.
The one thing is though, that ANYTHING to do with the OG Atrix 4G models (ME860, MB860, ME861) needs to go away, that phone is not even in the same universe as ours, since it uses a tegra chipset, and there is NO way roms for it will run on our phones, nor our ROMs on thier phones.
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Thank you so much Jim. I agree 100%, and it does indeed suffice. And I shall also endeavor to learn to search and read these forums more judiciously in the future. I am beginning to see that the 'confident' tone of some posts, is not always justified so much as the reputation of the speaker.
I will add an update to my OP at the top of it, with a clear and somewhat brief answer (relative to my usual style) to the basic questions I posed, summarizing all here as I understand it, and clearly annotate the bottom half (with intact OP left untouched) as serving 'historical purposes only' so that any forensic deconstructivists, shall have their satisfaction, if their itch must be scratched.
Best Regards,
Paul
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Greeting Jim (& others),
Thank you so much Jim. I agree 100%, and it does indeed suffice. And I shall also endeavor to learn to search and read these forums more judiciously in the future. I am beginning to see that the 'confident' tone of some posts, is not always justified so much as the reputation of the speaker.
I will add an update to my OP at the top of it, with a clear and somewhat brief answer (relative to my usual style) to the basic questions I posed, summarizing all here as I understand it, and clearly annotate the bottom half (with intact OP left untouched) as serving 'historical purposes only' so that any forensic deconstructivists, shall have their satisfaction, if their itch must be scratched.
Best Regards,
Paul
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once again, we all give somewhat clear answers and Jim swoops in here and clears everything up perfectly, making the rest of us look like fools. (no offense, you're awesome).
what's the difference of having a new firmware?
Potentially better battery life, signal, and data transfer speeds thru 3G/4G. It's the kind of thing only the hardware manufacturer can improve because all the radio/RIL/bootloader components that are usually contained within updates are closed-source, so we can't fix it, they have to.
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what's the difference of having a new firmware?
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The main thing is compatibility, you need to have the right firmware on the phone for the ROM. An ICS compatible firmware won't work with a GB ROM and vice versa.
There might be improvements but it's very hard to quantify. As the other poster mentioned it's all closed source stuff so no one really knows what HTC has changed. For example new firmware released with new RUUs or OTA updates can often break S-OFF tools until someone cracks the new version.
Currently supported are the Wifi only and AT&T versions. The layout for Verizon is in the source but needs a ramdisk to modify. There are downloads for the boot.img, tar, md5, and zip packages. Md5 may not work due to variations building on a Mac, but with the custom recovery this is not an issue.
To clean things up, all new builds will be tagged -VERSION to easily determine what applies.
This kernel is about customization. It is based on the work done for the Galaxy Nexus to bring as many available options as possible without causing bloat that could weigh down the system. This thread is not directed to the elite few, so there is no need to put on your fancy hat when you enter. Relax and enjoy your device.
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StarKissed Galaxy Cam Source
Guide to Governors, Schedulers, Etc.
Current Changes:
Governors:
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Schedulers:
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Had to sort out some issues with the Mac md5 being a bit off from md5sum, but the first kernel should be available shortly. It's building and uploading now.
The md5 still isn't matching Windows when written from the Mac, but the good news is that the kernel does work when removing the .md5 extension.
For safety, it is a big concern to ensure this gets fixed to prevent any bricked or otherwise malfunctioning devices. If you do wish to test the kernel by removing the .md5 extension, please note that you do so at your own risk and should take precautions.
Congrats on the first custom kernel for the GC.
I take it that it's just a flash via Odin job?
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RavenY2K3 said:
Congrats on the first custom kernel for the GC.
I take it that it's just a flash via Odin job?
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Yes, but currently wifi doesn't work. I just figured out the module layout while updating linux versions so the changes need to be tested. I came from a nexus so this Odin stuff is all new.
Alright, the wifi is fixed. Finally built Heimdall for Mac 10.7 so I was able to test without having to have access to a Windows machine.
The TCP options are not being picked up by my app to select a new default, but the configured default does work and should improve speed.
Currently this kernel is based on the newest GC110 firmware. If other version are needed, such as Verizon, please post which ones and, if possible, the current boot.img or a link to the firmware. This is to allow retrieving the ramdisk to modify.
EK-GC100
Just wondering, how easy is this to add the 3G support for the EK-GC100 camera, since with what you wrote you have an EK-GC110.
I would like to play with this kernel, and if I had spare time, I would love to sort out how to build a custom ROM, without losing the camera features.
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Just wondering, how easy is this to add the 3G support for the EK-GC100 camera, since with what you wrote you have an EK-GC110.
I would like to play with this kernel, and if I had spare time, I would love to sort out how to build a custom ROM, without losing the camera features.
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A few lines in the ramdisk. Which carrier? With the recovery available, I should add the other two to the source anyway.
I added source for the gsm one but I haven't found an updated kernel for verizon to add that yet.
To make life easier on everyone, I made all kernels into a single aroma installer. No worries about tracking down which name matches which kernel for a model. One installer with selections.
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A few lines in the ramdisk. Which carrier? With the recovery available, I should add the other two to the source anyway.
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At the moment I don't have a sim in it, but I am in Aus on Telstra.
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At the moment I don't have a sim in it, but I am in Aus on Telstra.
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I would hope in terms of hardware, it is an exact clone of the AT&T version. They are both GSM carriers and the kernel shouldn't know the difference. I ran an Aus firmware on mine and it worked, but my current one is the UAE. I would say it should work fine.
For anyone wondering, the "Wireless Fix" option in the kernel package will clear out the necessary files to prevent the wifi from being corrupted during a kernel or system install. This is what I use to avoid having to do a full wipe when switching similar builds.
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Currently supported are the Wifi only and AT&T versions. The layout for Verizon is in the source but needs a ramdisk to modify.
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I added source for the gsm one but I haven't found an updated kernel for verizon to add that yet.
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My Verizon GC120 should be here in a couple of days. As far as I know it is untouched stock. Let me know the commands to pull the files you need for this and the other dev work you are doing.
Thank you for taking the time to do the work! We all appreciate it!
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My Verizon GC120 should be here in a couple of days. As far as I know it is untouched stock. Let me know the commands to pull the files you need for this and the other dev work you are doing.
Thank you for taking the time to do the work! We all appreciate it!
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I understand the excitement, but posting the same message on three threads with the same OP is a little bit frustrating. Luckily I have notifications disabled.
In my opinion its all in how you look at it. Excitement can be contagious and maybe posting in a couple of the threads may get some folks that only have notifications set on one of them more interested and/or involved.
see isnt that smile contagious...
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In my opinion its all in how you look at it. Excitement can be contagious and maybe posting in a couple of the threads may get some folks that only have notifications set on one of them more interested and/or involved.
see isnt that smile contagious...
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Actually it's a violation of the rules and for most people whose phones vibrated 12 times instead of 4, motivation to unsubscribe. Either way I will have to look at what options there are to pull the stuff and if it can be rooted before I give any official advice. That may take a bit. I am right in the middle of my thesis for my degree.
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Actually it's a violation of the rules and for most people whose phones vibrated 12 times instead of 4, motivation to unsubscribe. Either way I will have to look at what options there are to pull the stuff and if it can be rooted before I give any official advice. That may take a bit. I am right in the middle of my thesis for my degree.
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I think we are looking at it from different perspectives. I saw 3 different OPs that requested (at least by appearance) differing information. If the information required is all the same or can all be pulled through one set of instructions then that is great. But there was no violating the rules by responding to the requests the way I did.
I am also trying to look for options to root and asking of those who have accomplished it prior. Trying to find other devices that used the mdm9615 and if those devices on verizon have locked bootloaders with their latest updates, etc. Just doing whatever research I can as I do with all my new devices.
I wish you the best of luck with your thesis. We all do thank you for taking what time you have away from that to help us out.
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I think we are looking at it from different perspectives. I saw 3 different OPs that requested (at least by appearance) differing information. If the information required is all the same or can all be pulled through one set of instructions then that is great. But there was no violating the rules by responding to the requests the way I did.
I am also trying to look for options to root and asking of those who have accomplished it prior. Trying to find other devices that used the mdm9615 and if those devices on verizon have locked bootloaders with their latest updates, etc. Just doing whatever research I can as I do with all my new devices.
I wish you the best of luck with your thesis. We all do thank you for taking what time you have away from that to help us out.
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All I'm saying is three different request, three different threads, same OP, whatever. Copy and paste, Boo!
This is probably a stupid question - if so - just ignore it - no need to flame me. I think I am asking more for wishful thinking than for any other reason. So, having said that - What sort of compatibility is there with the P900 Wifi unit with roms that are made for WiFi - (like ATT for example)
I know it doesn't have a modem - but modem files are not normally included in ROMS anyway - can we flash Roms that were made for LTE Pro 12.2 devices? Anyone have any direct experience doing it and like, which roms would you suggest?
I am just hoping for a bit more variety and would like to try other roms if there is a good chance that it will work with out bricking the device.
thoughts?
If you peruse the development forum you'll notice that there's only a couple of ROMs for anything other than P900 so it's not like you're missing out on anything major from the LTE device development side. I'd steer clear; it's always a best practice to not try to mix/match ROMs from different devices. Keep in mind that the differences go beyond just modem vs. no modem, there's also different processors so who knows what driver compatibility issues may arise when trying to mix.
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If you peruse the development forum you'll notice that there's only a couple of ROMs for anything other than P900 so it's not like you're missing out on anything major from the LTE device development side. I'd steer clear; it's always a best practice to not try to mix/match ROMs from different devices. Keep in mind that the differences go beyond just modem vs. no modem, there's also different processors so who knows what driver compatibility issues may arise when trying to mix.
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I figured as much - and Yes, I know that most of the roms are for the P900 - I guess I am mostly hoping for more variety - for such an incredible device, it is s shame that there isn't more development. Thanks for your input, it is appreciated.