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One of the main reason I installed AOSP while breaking my drm is, Google Camera HDR+ makes Xperia Cameras wonderful too
There were several actual photos took by xperia with google camera, so I thought my phone's camera would get great too
However, the photos that I took with my XZP are noisy, and all the small details like small letters got away.
I guess it might be because of broken DRM, since it disables noise reduction function of the camera, but then how can others get better photos with their rooted xperia with google camera.
Do you guys know if there's a solution for this?
Actually I started to regret I shouldn't unlock my phone and keep using it as stock, but my DRM's already gone and DRM fix is just a temporal solution... since my DRM's gone forever.
It's not that bad with my phone, but maybe settings have something to do with it. HDR makes it sharper for some reason and I use:
Support level override: NEXUS_2015
Config Camera: Pixel 2017 (DR Dogfood)
HDR+ burst frame count: 8
The rest is probably default. But you can always return to stock and use storm's drm hack, then you have the normal quality camera again.
I've tried that settings, but the result stays noisy too
It seems like there's no way to improve image quality of XZP
If you install AOSP rom to use Google HDR+, the phone will kill the noise reduction so the result gets terribly noisy since DRMfix doesn't support stock based roms.
If you install Sony stock based roms, you can't use Google HDR+ due to lack of camera 2 API support.
Also as AOSP with Google camera yields worse outcome than stock rom, maybe it's really pointless thing to unlock your XZP to get better image qualities.
But it's too late to regret because my DRM has gone forever.
well you dont have to feel bad true that you lost your own drm keys but installing stock based rom with drm fix is the same as official stock and even smoother and better optimized plus you get all the cool features of root so a guy like you gets the root and drm fix that works the same as official and a guy like me is in official drm but bored cuz its not rooted so in both ways there is a compromise..
as I already said, sony has the best hardware on a device. EVER!
4k HRD? 120hz screen thats MAD but cant use it XD
sony cameras are sold to all companies cuz its the best but they use scripts to make it look worse (on purpose in my opinion)
in other words, sony cares about other companies cuz they make them a lot more money than their customers and as I heard they have a contract with other companies that uses their camera and sony is not allowed to make a device that has better cameras and they dont care you know why? cuz other companies make them ALOT MORE money than their own customers.
and advertising the device as it has 4k that doesnt work all the time, and a surprisingly 120hz support that is useless and a good camera (that sucks cuz of their own software) is just LOW of sony to do! promising cool features that exist but never actually having to use them is just FOR ADVERTISEMENT PURPOSE this is my last device from sony unless its a high end video camera from sony then yes, but other than that, sony is not worth it...
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Is anyone experiencing this, I don't see many threads?
Tonight I did a camera comparison with a friends IPhone 6 and the IPhone 6 was far superior in every sense. Images from the Z3 generally seem grainy and lack detail and sharpness.
I see a few people have mentioned that the camera is better of you manually set the options. This isn't what a smartphone is for when you need to snap a quick shot, by the time you've done all that you've missed the moment.
I swapped my LG G3 (which also took better shots) for this and I'm really underwhelmed by the camera on the Z3, which ironically is its main selling point.
Can anyone suggest some third party camera apps which would perform better?
Also do you think Sony will fix this, i owned the original Z and can recall having some camera issues. I didn't think they would still be present 4 years on.
The Z3 camera was hyped up so much, I really can't see why. Great on paper, not so good in the real world.
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rm83855 said:
Is anyone experiencing this, I don't see many threads?
Tonight I did a camera comparison with a friends IPhone 6 and the IPhone 6 was far superior in every sense. Images from the Z3 generally seem grainy and lack detail and sharpness.
I see a few people have mentioned that the camera is better of you manually set the options. This isn't what a smartphone is for when you need to snap a quick shot, by the time you've done all that you've missed the moment.
I swapped my LG G3 (which also took better shots) for this and I'm really underwhelmed by the camera on the Z3, which ironically is its main selling point.
Can anyone suggest some third party camera apps which would perform better?
Also do you think Sony will fix this, i owned the original Z and can recall having some camera issues. I didn't think they would still be present 4 years on.
The Z3 camera was hyped up so much, I really can't see why. Great on paper, not so good in the real world.
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superior auto mode is basically a 8 mp with hdr and flash with some adjustments better go with the manual so you can choose a higher mega pixel.
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superior auto mode is basically a 8 mp with hdr and flash with some adjustments better go with the manual so you can choose a higher mega pixel.
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I installed Pro Capture and it seems a lot better. Sony is doing half a job. You cannot supply excellent hardware and not take advantage of it with the software. It seems most people are impressed by the specs of the camera more than its ability to actually take a picture! I cannot believe how much hype surrounding this camera there was.
Have you tried the xposed module 'superiorauto 20mp'? which forces the SA mode to shoot at 20megapixels?
I've been a long time Xperia user. Currently have the Z3 and plan to move up to XZ. The Z3 camera is a so so. Beaten by Samsung and iPhone easily. The Z3 is flare galore and I have 2 of them purchased at different times so it is not a sampling issue.
The Xperia XZ is now advertised as "Our camera know-how, in a smartphone". With all those fancy laser focus, high megapixels, and quick focus; yet, from the following review, iPhone 7 beats the XZ in terms of IQ and resolution. Resolution, at least, in the blue colors.
Please tell me the review above is incorrect and the XZ camera is at least comparable to iPhone 7.
From my experience with my XP vs iPhone 6 the iPhone almost always adheres true to the experience detailed in this video.
I would anticipate that the video comparison is true to past form which seemingly continues through to the XZ/iPhone7 stand off.
Unfortunate yes. Somehow iphone are always sh!tting on Sony's camera advances.
You'd be forgiven to think Sony would have the upper hand in atleast the camera department. But it's just not the case. Sure the XZ is going to have a great camera, but I would assume the conclusion from the video would remain true.
Albeit first hand comparisons are required to judge for self. Even then, unfortunately I foresee I'd probably end up concurring with the btekt guys conclusion (based on historical trends with what Sony and indeed iPhone bring to the table with each respective iteration.)
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Watching above video, I noticed that his xperia xz camera was in manual mode and not in default values because settings icon turned blue.
Pictures of low light seem over exposure with xperia. I don't think it was on default setting.
I doubt the video is unbiased. Just my cents.
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Sony just developed these new sensors.. and as always they need a lot of time to tweak the software in order for everything to work correctly and as it should. Basically it is happening with every sony device. So let's be patiend and see how the XZ is going to.. ''evolve''.
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Sony just developed these new sensors.. and as always they need a lot of time to tweak the software in order for everything to work correctly and as it should. Basically it is happening with every sony device. So let's be patiend and see how the XZ is going to.. ''evolve''.
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Exactly, it really does not seem to be "default" setting for Sony.
But will need to test low light pictures on my own to get the clue.
I know how it was with Z5, I really hope this time they are doing proper testing before putting it into the boxes...
I had never seen a sony phone that in it's first or second release rom the camera or overall experience is good. a couple or rom updates, and then it could give more fight.
Anyway, it's a shame that sony develop the iphone camera's sensors, but for own usage, they use (IHMO) the less good. OR, the camera software by sony is a crap.
In my experiences with Xperia videography (from Z2 onwards) it's best to deactivate Scene Autodetection because it stops camera software over-compensating when perhaps you don't want/need it to ...
Whilst I think the iPhone records superb video, so does my XP (and so did my Z2, Z3+, Z5C) ... I'd be hard pressed to tell you which is which in blind testing.
The XZ I have on order should only improve the Sony videography.
Also, have you tried recording stereo sound with your video on the iPhone? It's a hassle and can't be done without addons (I'm pretty sure the iPhone 7(+) still records monaural unless someone can correct me?)
Smartphone Photography belongs to Apple.
Smartphone Videography, the motion picture, *could* belong to Sony if they get their marketing right (and their thermals lol)
Can you change white balance settings (not just the tint) in video mode? There is a video on YouTube comparing it to the iPhone 6 Plus and the WB control on the XZ is terrible - it shifts whenever the camera moves to the tables while the iPhone is fairly stable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNFsnQg3cG8
It is a personal point of view but Sony is way better than 6s... At least for me and from this comparison.
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A few things that occur to me with any cam comparison is what the photographers knowledge/skill is and, as mentioned above, what settings were used. Those things affect the final output of the camera. I try to determine if their knowledge/skill is similar to mine. Then I can determine if I could have possibly gotten a better picture or not in a similar situation.
Try to find comparison photos on the web from the cameras you want to compare. Make sure they're not altered and that you know what settings were used. Each phone has it's own signature on the picture and you may prefer a certain phone's "photo look" over another. Some phones are good in some conditions, some are better in others. Some are good overall, but not great in any one area. Determine what matters to you most.
Beyond the actual photo quality, there's the user experience that must also be considered. Focus speed, shutter responsiveness, app ease-of-use...that all makes a difference.
Iphone has better cameras. I'm ashamed of my 23megapixel camera
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Hey all,
I've had the Z5 for a year now and one thing about it just bugs me. This might just be me but I'm sure all of you have noticed this as well. In almost every other phone (iPhone, Galaxy, LG, etc.) the camera preview (basically the live feed of the camera when you're in the app) is pretty much what the picture is going to look like.
I don't find that this is the case on the Z5. I was in Japan for a few days this past summer and got a chance to use a family friend's Xperia Z2 (NTT Docomo carrier branded). It was still on KitKat, but the camera app was absolutely buttery smooth and the feed looked good. The pictures taken with my Z5 look great after they process, don't get me wrong, but the camera feed quality in-app is just downright awful, not to mention the camera as a whole is a bit laggy. For something with an 810 I don't think this is a hardware limitation.
Don't know if most people even notice this or consider it an issue but it'd be nice to have some sort of solution (I've found nothing on this after many online/Google searches).
Edit: Don't know why this was moved to troubleshooting. It's not just a thing that I'm experiencing, it's all Z5s.
I don't own a z5 but I saw your post on reddit anyway.
I'm basing my knowledge on my experience messing with camera on my Z3 compact.
Regarding the low quality preview, the preview resolution could be just set too low with the QCameraParameters::setPreviewSize function. You could probably manually set it in the Camera apk.
Buttery smooth viewfinder has to do with preview fps, could maybe be controlled in apk as well or at firmware level. Some phones were lucky enough to just have text files to edit parameters.
Anyway, if you don't know how to mess with either then there's nothing you can do, otherwise someone else with your phone can have a look at it (if anyone cares ).
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I don't own a z5 but I saw your post on reddit anyway.
I'm basing my knowledge on my experience messing with camera on my Z3 compact.
Regarding the low quality preview, the preview resolution could be just set too low with the QCameraParameters::setPreviewSize function. You could probably manually set it in the Camera apk.
Buttery smooth viewfinder has to do with preview fps, could maybe be controlled in apk as well or at firmware level. Some phones were lucky enough to just have text files to edit parameters.
Anyway, if you don't know how to mess with either then there's nothing you can do, otherwise someone else with your phone can have a look at it (if anyone cares ).
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Thank you. Viewfinder was the correct term I was looking for. I did some digging with that term and found out that on Z2 4.4.2, the viewfinder FPS was not limited/60, and they apparently decreased after the update to 4.4.4. I think The Z3 series and onwards have all had the viewfinder FPS software-limited, maybe for heat/battery reasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D08nobFX5KY
People who never cared about this might care after seeing the video above^. I really want to see if there's enough interest in the subreddit or on these forums to maybe get some edited parameters for the camera APK. I don't expect Sony to change this in any future update though, especially with how prone to overheating the 810 is. Thanks for the insight.
Okay, so I just bought the XZ premium and mostly I am happy with it; the speed is good, screen is nice etc.
However, my friend just got the pixel 2, and holy crap that camera is amazing! Yes it has hardware in order to do the post processing, but as I understand it, that is purely for speed? Technically, other cameras should be able to achieve similar results with software algorithms right? So I went to download the apk for the camera app, and it simply will not function on my xz premium. Can somebody explain to me like I'm 12, why this is the case, and what is stopping us from getting similar results from what should be a superior sensor?
From reading different posts, I understand it has something to do with the camera2api, but I haven't a clue what this is in practical terms, or what steps would need to be taken to get it working.
Thanks!
So things are like this. Google developed some time ago some algorithms that use "black magic" to make the pictures look awesome, even if it's a phone camera. But for the algorithms to work, phones need to have implemented the full support of Camera2 API, which, since Android Lollipop, unlocks new possibilities for developers to work with the camera and have more low level customization options (like focus, ISO, shutter speed, RAW support). Now, our phone supports Camera2 API, but sadly it's not the full implementation of it. What we are missing is RAW support (that is support for our phone to be able to take photos unedited by the post processing algorithms). Because of that, our phone supports only a LIMITED implementation of Camera2 API, not the FULL one. And the HDR+ algorithms that Google Camera uses need FULL Camera2 APi support, especially RAW support. That's the reason why we can't use HDR+ on the XZP (or any Sony phone).
The reason Sony doesn't implement RAW support isn't known. But clues point to the fact that, by implementing RAW support, they think the phones will cannibalize their cameras department. Since Sony is a japanese company, it has japanese mentality, and in Japan many people carry with them their dedicated cameras everyday for taking photos. Sony thinks it will lose that public if they implement a perfect camera in their phones.
Regarding the steps you need, there is nothing you can do to get it working in the stock software, since it's Sony job to implement RAW support in their ROM. You can get Camera2 API support if you unlock your bootloader and install a custom ROM or use Magisk to enable it, but unlocking the bootloader comes with completely new problems.
Thanks, that's a very good overview, and clarifies the dilemma for me!
I'm now going to sign up to the Sony forums and add my voice to the calls to implement the full API. If all the rumours are true I doubt it will make a difference, but if we don't ask, we don't get.
The pixel 2 bokeh effect really is stunning, and its low light post processing performance is incredible. Sony should realise that its dedicated camera business model (for the casual market) is doomed, and start actively converting users before they jump ship.
I wouldn't say the camera department is doomed, just a few months ago, I bought their 180€ WX220, and it's still magnitudes of order better than any smartphone cam, plus comes with 10x optical zoom.
Though for the actual problem, @Artyomska pretty much already said everything. I personally am hoping for some driver updates to add the missing RAW support, either directly from Sony or from some fantastic modders.
Hey all,
Been away from sony phones for a little bit, but got an XZ premium from my carrier, and am pretty impressed with it. Loving the screen, form factor, etc.
Have some questions before jumping into customs roms and stuff.
1. When you unlock bootloader now, is there still a loss of DRM? - is there a way to manage this?
2. I noticed the ported Pixel 2 camera app doesnt seem to work without some further adjustments / mods. For those that have done it, is there significant improvement? Side by side with my HTC U11, the XZP looks comparable initially, but cropping or zooming in, there is a big loss of sharpness and clarity. Seems Sony's processing still isnt top notch - Does the Pixel camera app do any better? (the front camera is better tho!)
3. If one was to wish to return to full stock, is EMMA still the best/easiest way? - do DRM keys return?
4. In a custom ROM, I'd be looking for something near stock in look and feel, improved battery management, better camera experience (via 2 or some other tweaks), wide VoLTE support. ANy recommendations to look at?
cheers!
Yes you will loss DRM keys but there is a DRM fix
sephstyler said:
Hey all,
Been away from sony phones for a little bit, but got an XZ premium from my carrier, and am pretty impressed with it. Loving the screen, form factor, etc.
Have some questions before jumping into customs roms and stuff.
1. When you unlock bootloader now, is there still a loss of DRM? - is there a way to manage this?
2. I noticed the ported Pixel 2 camera app doesnt seem to work without some further adjustments / mods. For those that have done it, is there significant improvement? Side by side with my HTC U11, the XZP looks comparable initially, but cropping or zooming in, there is a big loss of sharpness and clarity. Seems Sony's processing still isnt top notch - Does the Pixel camera app do any better? (the front camera is better tho!)
3. If one was to wish to return to full stock, is EMMA still the best/easiest way? - do DRM keys return?
4. In a custom ROM, I'd be looking for something near stock in look and feel, improved battery management, better camera experience (via 2 or some other tweaks), wide VoLTE support. ANy recommendations to look at?
cheers!
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Hi,
1- There is a patch that sToRm // you can use it without any fear;
2- For the camera, personally, I find it well, I had no problem with it;
3- If you want to come back in stock rom, there is no better than xperirm (you can flash it with new flash);
4- For sony devices there is no better than a rom stock, for other custom roms, personally, i don' like them.