Hi everyone,
I'm new here...first post. I am a developer, but not a mobile developer. I have a situation...legal issue...I'm going after someone for breach of contract.
Anyway, I had no idea that in my state, agreements made via SMS or email are legally binding. And so I had deleted some texts that would have made my case. This "dog rescue" had agreed to let us adopt a really awesome dog - but then later changed their minds. Yes, a DOG! (My kids got attached). And they had not given me a copy of the signed agreement even though I had asked multiple times. I finally got a lawyer and they had to provide a copy of the agreement (but this only proves I didn't do anything to breach the contract...it doesn't prove they also agreed to let us adopt him). My lawyer said I have to get those text messages.
So here's the thing. Our messages were exchanged via facebook messenger. But my verizon Message+ app and FB messenger both seemed to be synced up (I kept trying to switch back and forth which was very frustrating). I am pretty sure our conversation took place on the FB app. But I don't remember if I deleted them from FB messenger or Message+. But it's gone in both.
I already looked through the cache for FB messenger - empty. I called verizon and they told me they only keep records going back 7-10 days at most. This was Jan 14th.
I KNOW Verizon can get to the data. Somehow. Someway. Then I thought, what if I upgrade to a new phone? You know how they do the copy of all of your data? Ugh...I do not know if they also copy over your texts. But if they do, I assume it would be the entire database. So I was thinking of upgrading to a new phone (one that can easily be rooted) and then recover the messages from the new phone. Could this work? Does anyone know if Verizon copies EVERYTHING over as root?
And if anyone has any other creative ideas, I'm all ears.
Thanks!
amf70 said:
Hi everyone,
I'm new here...first post. I am a developer, but not a mobile developer. I have a situation...legal issue...I'm going after someone for breach of contract.
Anyway, I had no idea that in my state, agreements made via SMS or email are legally binding. And so I had deleted some texts that would have made my case. This "dog rescue" had agreed to let us adopt a really awesome dog - but then later changed their minds. Yes, a DOG! (My kids got attached). And they had not given me a copy of the signed agreement even though I had asked multiple times. I finally got a lawyer and they had to provide a copy of the agreement (but this only proves I didn't do anything to breach the contract...it doesn't prove they also agreed to let us adopt him). My lawyer said I have to get those text messages.
So here's the thing. Our messages were exchanged via facebook messenger. But my verizon Message+ app and FB messenger both seemed to be synced up (I kept trying to switch back and forth which was very frustrating). I am pretty sure our conversation took place on the FB app. But I don't remember if I deleted them from FB messenger or Message+. But it's gone in both.
I already looked through the cache for FB messenger - empty. I called verizon and they told me they only keep records going back 7-10 days at most. This was Jan 14th.
I KNOW Verizon can get to the data. Somehow. Someway. Then I thought, what if I upgrade to a new phone? You know how they do the copy of all of your data? Ugh...I do not know if they also copy over your texts. But if they do, I assume it would be the entire database. So I was thinking of upgrading to a new phone (one that can easily be rooted) and then recover the messages from the new phone. Could this work? Does anyone know if Verizon copies EVERYTHING over as root?
And if anyone has any other creative ideas, I'm all ears.
Thanks!
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A court order and verizon will disclose them all
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Greetings,
When I purchased my ADP1 for here in Australia I was disappointed at first that the IM client did not come with MSN/Windows Live Messenger like it's T-Mobile G1 bretheren. But I was less upset when I read that the MSN client actually sends SMS's instead of using the internet. Unfortunately I can't find any post confirming/denying this!?
Can someone please confirm this if it is true? Because the JFv1.41 with RC33 installed on my ADP1 has it available under IM, and although somewhat slow to load up (I do have many contacts) it looks/feels as though its on the internet... I am still paranoid I will end up with a bill for thousands of dollars due to SMS's overseas to T-Mobile.
Cheers
Leon
PS. And for that matter can someone also confirm AIM and Yahoo! is not sending via SMS but rather internet? It may seem silly, but peace of mind for many I'm sure.
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here is the answer...
from how I get charged, i honestly can see that it is BOTH text message and data because u need data/internet to access those messenger services and each message u enter in msn live or aim counts as a text message.
thankfully for me, i have family unlimited texting and internet/data plan for my phone... but those messenger usually lags unless u are on 3G or some better connection.
Is that for RC30 and RC8 or just RC30? I thought it just used data.
TommyPickles said:
Greetings,
When I purchased my ADP1 for here in Australia I was disappointed at first that the IM client did not come with MSN/Windows Live Messenger like it's T-Mobile G1 bretheren. But I was less upset when I read that the MSN client actually sends SMS's instead of using the internet. Unfortunately I can't find any post confirming/denying this!?
Can someone please confirm this if it is true? Because the JFv1.41 with RC33 installed on my ADP1 has it available under IM, and although somewhat slow to load up (I do have many contacts) it looks/feels as though its on the internet... I am still paranoid I will end up with a bill for thousands of dollars due to SMS's overseas to T-Mobile.
Cheers
Leon
PS. And for that matter can someone also confirm AIM and Yahoo! is not sending via SMS but rather internet? It may seem silly, but peace of mind for many I'm sure.
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The Y! and AIM apps have always been through SMS on TMo builds for all of their phones. I've heard conflicting reports about MSN though but I would put money on the bulk of it being through SMS. Honestly though, IM through SMS is terrible and has been for years. It's laggy, never up to date and loves to double and triple sends messages. It's the price you pay for not having a data plan.
I know palringo is working on a android app. it is in beta now, they use data only.
http://forum.palringo.com/en/gb/forum/discussion-rooms/enhancement-requests/android-t1350
TimSykes said:
I know palringo is working on a android app. it is in beta now, they use data only.
http://forum.palringo.com/en/gb/forum/discussion-rooms/enhancement-requests/android-t1350
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I've been quietly waiting for these guys as well but at this rate they are turning into another Cerulean Studios. Soon™.
HAHA good point.
TimSykes said:
HAHA good point.
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Joking aside they do have a solid product but at this point I'm just tired of waiting indefinitely. Although, as a G1 owner I should be used to this by now.
Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
vr24 said:
Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
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Do you know anything about Australian cellular providers or the OP? No? I didn't think so. If you have nothing to add then move on without brain vomiting on the Post button.
Do I get that right: Every IM messenger from market sends out sms instead of data messages as it normally should? So Hello AIM, Membo IM etc. too?
no the g1 built in IM program uses SMS. Hello AIM uses the internet connection.
Oh, thank god. I was confused by this "The Y! and AIM apps have always been through SMS on TMo builds for all of their phones"....
Thx!
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Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
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with the g1 plan you get unlimited data, and I think 400 messaging. Or people like myself who dont use the g1 plan have unlimited data, and no messaging but still use t-mobile.
I'm on JF 1.41 RC8 and I just used my prepaid sim in my G1 and chatted on msn for a bit then sent 1 text messages afterwards.
It only deducted the credit for my 1 sms afterwards so I'm fairly confident the IM app (at least Live Messenger) just uses data.
You can use all messengers (aol, icq, msn etc) through standard gtalk application. Just configure jabber transport from other network to gtalk server. Instructions can be googled easily (here an example: http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/general-other-im-news/33739-connect-google-talk-aim-msn-yahoo.html)
Live Messenger Problem
Running the latest JesusFreke RC8 update, with the extra IM clients built into it, and I am receiving the following error when I try to sign into Live Messenger:
Unable to sign into the MSN service. Please try again later.
(Detail: Sorry, the phone number cannot be read from your sim card. Please contact your operator for help).
I have the phone on a T-Mobile contract, and I ported my number over from another network when I got the phone.
Any ideas on what could cause this problem?
Someone on another forum said they could only get live messenger to work while on wifi. Dont know if that helps.
Are you using the stock im apps? They use sms texts to send not data. This might be the problem you are having.
Yes, I am using the stock IM apps. Are there better alternatives?
I have had problems, but not til recently, but i heard a month or so there were some.
I waited, until a friend (with Verizon) (I am with Tmo) told me she called in, they said that there was in fact a Yahoo problem, they fixed it over the phone by giving some new server settings?
FOR ME, I expected the same...I called Tmo, to get to Tech support was horrific. They then had me goto Yahoo Mobile, download an email App
Once done, I had a new icon, simply a Mail (yahoo) icon INSTEAD of an Email icon to use. I could pick which one???
1. Does this make sense? Was Verizon right, are there some server settings, changes I need to make (symptoms, you may ask: waiting, NOT 5 minutes, but sometimes an hour, sometimes NO messages. Some were from the forums)
So do I need to enter some setting changes OR use the new icon OR use whatever icon I want, downloading the app itself fixed it??
2. Within that application, can someone explain a few things??
a) What is "contact email" -- is it email directly in the inbox from contacts only, and if there was one from Joe Smith, not a contact, it would not list it?
b) What is the Picture Email?? whoooahh LOL this could get me in trouble. I saw emails pop up from a year ago I sent. Some were ones I sent / some were ones I received. But where did they come from. How do I get better hold on these.
Am I the only one in the world who ever got the shock of his life using Yahoo or an app like this. Thank God I caught it.
Thanks for listening.. I can't always express it easily. I am not a great writer. So forgive me.
Eric
Has anyone found a way to import SMS messages into Phone 7 yet? I'm looking at moving from Android over to Phone 7 and I've got a few years worth as I was able to migrate them from my WinMo 6.x phone to Android when I made that change. If it can be avoided, I don't want to lose all my messages in the switch over to Phone 7.
there is no way currently to import sms or back them up either.
Not sure why you would want years of sms's.
I was afraid you'd say that.
honestly, I'm a recovering pack-rat so by nature I keep things until they get in my way. It has been handy though, I've dug a few alternate phone numbers and addresses out of the older messages a few times. This isn't a deal breaker for me, just not my ideal.
Thanks again for the info.
I can give you a pretty good reason - I need mine as proof against my psycho ex girlfriend. How's that for reason? I guess people have their reasons when they ask, don't you?
tiwas said:
I can give you a pretty good reason - I need mine as proof against my psycho ex girlfriend. How's that for reason? I guess people have their reasons when they ask, don't you?
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then keep the phone with them on it. And if you really need them for "proof", the police can get them from the carrier.
Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
I take it that there is no way to transfer sms from one wp7 to another then?
I have a limited number of texts that I have managed to keep on the sim over the years for sentimental reasons, eg, from now deceased loved ones.
I have never understood why OFFICE has never integrated SMS, allowing you to use plug ins to send and store SMS . They have facebook etc connectors.
I thought all sms, pics, contacts etc could be synced with your email address and stored using microsoft myphone?
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I thought all sms, pics, contacts etc could be synced with your email address and stored using microsoft myphone?
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Hi Kappo
The OP wants to get the SMS's off his current Android phone and import them into his WP7 but has no way to get the messages into MyPhone
i recently discovered someone has been having access to my text messages on their desktop. they know who i chatted with and what was discussed. i am on the sprint network. does anyone know how this is possible? is there something i should look for on my phone that would show a program running on it? would a hard reset resolve this issue?
Does your phone sync with Microsoft MyPhone?
The only ways I know of that would make this possible are that your phone is syncing with activesync on their computer,or its syncing with an exchange server that they have access to.
hi there are a few apps that "forward SMS's" depends on which phone you have... windows mobile have them called "sms spy" or something close to that plus "sms forwarder"... good luck android have a few too cant think of any off the top of my head. lil research goes along way -ttyl
All your text messages go through Sprint. If your buddy has an unethical connection at Sprint then he could get access that way. Contact Sprint and let them know; if being run through an employee then you might be able to get someone fired.
Ick
I would try reflashing a stock rom (in case there is malware)
Change your MyPhone password for before resyching (in case they're seeing texts there)
Avoid using WiFi in any are he is locating. (in case something is being caught in network traffic)
Run without extra apps (to rule out a rogue app)
See if you can text without him noticing.
Good luck
I highly doubt they are accessing your messages through sprint.
Reflash a nice new ROM from this site, eliminating the installed 'spy program'.
Change passwords to everything.
Wifi should be fine to use, regardless, if it is SMS it doesn't enter the wifi network, and as far as I know winmo doesn't use NetBios.
Only install apps from this site, trusted websites and the marketplace. Nothing he/she can change or edit or made.
You will be fine after this.
2 easy ways i know of....
1. if you sync to a server like say your work or personal email account, unless you SPECIFICALLY SET IT NOT TO it sync's EVERYTHING! calls, text msgs, contact list EVERYTHING!
2. if i were to get ahold of your esn and mdn/msid and cloned a phone to your account i would get txt sent to you as well
there is other ways but that is the easiest 2 ways, hope that help bro
cheers,
disco
I would be choking some peole out
Yea... first thing's first whoever is snooping on your ish... fire them, cut that nosy bastard out of your life, you're better off without them. If you're a kid and it's your parents, then none of this applies. Everyone's advice before hand, take it and change any other passwords to anything else they could have even .00001% chance of accessing.
I don't know the exact names but there are services available for insecure scumbags who'se lives are so sad they have to go snooping around like that. If you can gather proof of an information breach you can then press charges on them. Read a story a few weeks ago about someone who "broke" into his wife's gf's email and found out she was fkn around on him, he's now facing years in the slammer for it.
Even creepier than that is the echelon system... look it up
Hi all.
Nexus S user with CM7 ROM.
I want to make sure deleted text messages are truly gone for good. Not moved to some kind of stupid "Trash" folder or "Deleted Items" folder.
I have both Handcent and the stock APP. Can anybody clarify: Are messages perm. deleted by default, or is it something I need to configure/do manually?
Thanks in advance!
Wow,
Just watched a CBS murder mystery show last night, and they mentioned this exact same thing!
Apparently, the police were able to retrieve the dead wife's cell phone texts because the husband was threatening to kill her before he actual did.
The police retrieved deleted texts from boths cell phones, and that's what did him in. They had nothing else for proof on him.
I guess that answers your first question.
As for your second question, I would presume that unless you do a military grade reformat before you install your next ROM, I would go ahead and assume that the texts are still there.
Heeter