Hi! I want to root this device but I've read that with MM the bootloader is locked... then, how can I root my 6045Y with MM?
Could someone write me a complete guide or link me a well done? Thanks in advance!
Hi,
sorry english is not my native language.
Assuming you have a pc with windows,
1°) install alcatel drivers from your phone.
Download alcatel flasher
Download TWRP 3.1.1
Download SuperSU.
2°)put supersu on the phone sdcard
3°)reboot your phone in download mode (you have to press volUP + volDOWN during boot, it will bring you to the download mode page, press wolUP then). And plug-it to your pc.
4°)launch alcatel flasher
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-Select your model (1).
-click on detect (3).
-click on NPRG (4).
-click on Get GPT (5).
-in partition table (10) look for the recovery partition (#27 on my phone).
- double-click on the checkbox (11) to select it.
-double click on the file field of this partition (12) and validate.
-click on read (7). it will make a backup of your recovery.
-double click on the file field of the partition again (12) and select your TWRPxxx.img .
-click on write (8)
5°)reboot on twrp
press volUP while the phone is booting to launch twrp.
6°) install super su
Select "install", select super-su zip, swipe to install and TADA your phone is now rooted
It works ! i tested ! thank you
Kerri007 said:
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-double click on the file field of the partition again (12) and select your TWRPxxx.img .
-click on write (8)
5°)reboot on twrp
press volUP while the phone is booting to launch twrp.
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This part didn't work for me.
I still have the same recovery, not TWRP.
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[edit] Hm weird... After a few tries, without changing any setting (??!) it finally worked, i am on TWRP recovery now
[edit] Rebooted. And i'm back to normal recovery again. What is happening?
OK. I was able to install TWRP. It is still there when i reboot in recovery mode.
I then installed superSU from SD card. Wiped cache/dalvik and rebooted.
Now i am stuck, the phone won't boot. It is not exactly looping, but it is stuck on the "Alcatel onetouch <-> smart move" white animation... and not going forward at all
Hi
Here my experience with this method : https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=75479341&postcount=109
I managed to boot again, using Mobile Upgrade Q.
I found this on reddit
Download Decker's Sahara and Firehose (Alcatel Flasher), latest SuperSU and appropriate TWRP for your model (see xda). Follow the instructions on Decker's website to flash TWRP (to be safe backup the stock recovery partition first). Launch TWRP and make sure to mount /system only as read NOT rw. From TWRP's terminal type "echo SYSTEMLESS=true>>/data/.supersu" and then flash SuperSU zip. Reboot and you're rooted. Tested on my 6045Y. If you have questions pm me.
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Seems to bring some modifications to the step 6°)
What do u think ?
ecozturk said:
Hi
Here my experience with this method : https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=75479341&postcount=109
I managed to boot again, using Mobile Upgrade Q.
I found this on reddit
Seems to bring some modifications to the step 6°)
What do u think ?
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Those were the instructions I used to get systemless root on the stock Alcatel MM and regain fastboot which enabled me to flash with Lineage.
But this was before the latest "update" from Alcatel that users have been saying has stopped them from rolling back the adware on the system apps.
I'm running Ubuntu. Is there a way that I can do it with adb and fastboot?
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Architecture: Both
and
Version: 2.8.7.0 and 2.8.7.7
Author: SevenMaxs
Source: Lenovo-Forums
Screenshots
2.8.7.0 for x86:
2.8.7.7 for x64:
Download
x86: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzMGgN-tWY2zYmdKNjVHbTB4YzA/view?usp=sharing
x64: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzMGgN-tWY2zNWMyRVVsNzRtdDQ/view?usp=sharing
Installation
Using any modified revovery:
Put zip file on memory card
Reboot phone into recovery mode
Choose Install, then select your zip file and flash
Using Mobileuncle Tools on smartphone:
Extract zip file and put recovery.img on memory card
Inside app, select Update Recovery. Select recovery.img and confirm. Wait a while and when it asks if you want to reboot into recovery, select OK.
Recovery installation finished successfully. Now reboot phone and remove recovery.img from memory card.
Root:
Download this file for rooting your device;
Reboot phone into recovery mode;
Tap on Install and choose BETA-SuperSU-v2.52.zip (The file which you downloaded before);
Swipe to confirm flash;
After flashing, reboot your device.
P.S. Root method only works for Lollipop (Android 5.x) and not for KitKat (4.4.x). If you want to root your device, you have to upgrade to Lollipop. If many users will request root method for KitKat, I'll update the thread.
UPDATED: Added method of rooting (by intalling SuperSU via TWRP)
problem
hi
i had installed new marshmallow (AOSP) on my p70-a, but it was not good
can you tell me whats the best custom rom for lenovo p70-a?
How to unlock band 40 on lenovo p70A.
I have flashed vibe ui2.8 ROM 5.1 lollipop
sir I tried to use the 64x TWRP recovery image on my lenovo p70 android 4.4.4 and flash it using flashify and reboot it but nothing happens...Now I switch off my phone and boot in recovery mode (Volume up+ power button) but it never boot in TWRP recovery mode
pryxen said:
sir I tried to use the 64x TWRP recovery image on my lenovo p70 android 4.4.4 and flash it using flashify and reboot it but nothing happens...Now I switch off my phone and boot in recovery mode (Volume up+ power button) but it never boot in TWRP recovery mode
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try to flash 86×
Hi, my Lenovo p70-a is with locked bootloader and non rooted. When I try to apply the method given I cannot get to the "install" menu in recovery mode. Is there any thing else I should do before the abovementioned given steps.
And also waht x32 and x64 stands for? Is it for the software - the Android OS or for the hardware - the CPU? I'm complete newbie and any help is highly appreciated!
Lenovo P70-a stuck on Select Boot Mode page
Hello
I have a p70-a
it was successfully rooted 3 years ago.
I have a recovery image which I recover whenever the phone stops working, which recovers all my apps and accounts which were installed prior to that image.
today it just rebooted to this page:
Select Boot Mode:
[VOLUME_UP to select. VOLUME_DOWN is OK.]
[Recovery Mode]
[FastBoot Mode]
[Normal Mode]
the curser just keeps moving downwards across these three options.
I can't choose from any of them.
I tried to disassemble the phone and reassembled it but still the same problem.
I'd appreciate your help.
SalamAhwal said:
Lenovo P70-a stuck on Select Boot Mode page
Hello
I have a p70-a
it was successfully rooted 3 years ago.
I have a recovery image which I recover whenever the phone stops working, which recovers all my apps and accounts which were installed prior to that image.
today it just rebooted to this page:
Select Boot Mode:
[VOLUME_UP to select. VOLUME_DOWN is OK.]
[Recovery Mode]
[FastBoot Mode]
[Normal Mode]
the curser just keeps moving downwards across these three options.
I can't choose from any of them.
I tried to disassemble the phone and reassembled it but still the same problem.
I'd appreciate your help.
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did you found any solution for this?
NOA H5 Custom Recovery (NOA H5 CWM-6.0.5.1)
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How to root and flash recovery:
Download SuperSU zip on your phone http://download.chainfire.eu/supersu-stable
Download Supersu from Play Store
Unlock bootloader by going to settings > About phone > press 8 times the build-number > go back to settings to developer settings > Enable OEM Loader unlock
Turn off phone
Hold VOL UP + Power
Press vol up to navigate and press vol down select.
Select [Fastboot mode]
Connect to USB 2.0 connection and your phone.
Hold Shift and right click in the NOA_H5_CWM-6.0.5.1 folder and click on open command prompt here (CMD)
Type "fastboot devices" (Do not type the "") to see if it's connected correctly.
Type "fastboot oem unlock" (Do not type the "") and press Vol up on the phone to confirm
Type "fastboot flash recovery cwmnoah5.img" (Do not type the "")
type "fastboot reboot-bootloader" (Do not type the "")
turn off phone
Hold VOL UP + Power
navigate to recovery and press vol down.
Flash the zip Supersu you downloaded
reboot
Start Supersu to see if you need to update anything.
Root apps to use for example are ad blockers like Ad away
https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=org.adawa
L Speed [ROOT] and Greenify from the Play Store.
Download: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3MsXXAIV_HOaFpfaXNWanBaMU0
Stock recovery.img is included for backup needs.
Hello, I have this device from another retailer, it has Marshmallow on top and when I flash this image the device bootloops. Is there any way to help me build CWM or TWRP for my device running 6.0? Thank you in advance.
PS: I can send any img file (system,recovery,boot) I have the complete package to flash it with SP Flashtool.
mhnx said:
Hello, I have this device from another retailer, it has Marshmallow on top and when I flash this image the device bootloops. Is there any way to help me build CWM or TWRP for my device running 6.0? Thank you in advance.
PS: I can send any img file (system,recovery,boot) I have the complete package to flash it with SP Flashtool.
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Try to find the full image and flash the original MM recovery via spflash.
pr0x2 said:
Try to find the full image and flash the original MM recovery via spflash.
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I already had the room so it wasn't a problem, I just did port the cwm with the guide on a site and it worked. Thank you anyway. I am trying to do a TWRP port on my device but my touch panel does not work. Any suggestions?
mhnx said:
I already had the room so it wasn't a problem, I just did port the cwm with the guide on a site and it worked. Thank you anyway. I am trying to do a TWRP port on my device but my touch panel does not work. Any suggestions?
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I don't know. Do you have the full MM rom zip? My phone is still on 5.1.
Well, I do have it but your phone will have excessive battery drain while wifi is on. I'm trying to fix it but I think the problem is the wifi driver. And it will have the company's applications. I can send you the image but we have to keep it secret because I will be fired from the company. If you want I can make a pre rooted ROM to flash with cwm. The device has thousands of wakeups from the wifi Android system UI.
mhnx said:
Well, I do have it but your phone will have excessive battery drain while wifi is on. I'm trying to fix it but I think the problem is the wifi driver. And it will have the company's applications. I can send you the image but we have to keep it secret because I will be fired from the company. If you want I can make a pre rooted ROM to flash with cwm. The device has thousands of wakeups from the wifi Android system UI.
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Hmmm better keep it on 5.1 then. I have the full original factory image for 5.1 if you need it.
Original Article : https://www.asus.com/zentalk/tw/thread-177291-1-1.html
[email protected] post the root guild for zenfone 3.
I translate his article to English version.
I didn't try this method yet, but I think it should work.
If you want to root your zenfone 3, you can following this guide to root your device.
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[Update] All-in-one zip (unlock App+driver+adb+fastboot+twrp+SuperSU.zip) :
https://github.com/snowwolf725/RootZenfone3/archive/master.zip
Firstly, you should use the following official unlock tool to unlock Boot-loader.
[Update] If you want to receive OTA notify, you should use Un-official bootloader unlock method.
Un-official bootloader unlock method
ZE552KL
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/ZenFone/ZE552KL/ZE552KL_SIGNED_Android_M_UnlockTool_2016_0715.zip
ZE520KL
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/ZenFone/ZE520KL/ZE520KL_SIGNED_Android_M_UnlockTool_2016_0715.zip
After you unlock your device, you can download the TWRP recovery image, and follow the guide to root your device.
TWRP recovery img :https://mega.nz/#F!kl8lmKRL!ZbLvz1b4YgLMr_n09vRrTA
twrp-3.0.2-Z012D.img (TWRP for ZE552KL)
twrp-3.0.2-Z017D.img (TWRP for ZE520KL)
dot.supersu (.supersu)
If your device is ZE552KL, then you should download twrp-3.0.2-Z012D.img + dot.supersu
If your device is ZE520KL, then you should download twrp-3.0.2-Z017D.img + dot.supersu
If you want to build recovery image by yourself, you can clone the git source tree, and compile by yourself.
https://github.com/shakalaca/android_device_asus_ze520kl
https://github.com/shakalaca/android_device_asus_ze552kl
How to root your device:
1. Boot your zenfone 3 to boot-loader mode (you should firstly turn the phone off, then press and hold the volume up and power buttons )
2. Install android tools on your pc. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2588979)
3. Connect your mobile to PC, then use following command to flash TWRP image to your zenfone.
Code:
fastboot flash recovery twrp-3.0.2-xxx.img
4a. Hold the volume down button, and use following command to boot into recovery mode. (if menu appears, please select recovery mode)
Code:
fastboot reboot
4b. Boot your zenfone 3 to recovery mode (you should firstly turn the phone off, then press and hold the volume down and power buttons )
5. After boot into TWRP recovery, select "keep system read only" in TWRP recovery menu.
6. Use following command to push .supersu file into /data .
Code:
adb push dot.supersu /data/.supersu
7. Select "ADB Sideload" in TWRP menu, then use following command to push root files.
(SuperSu.zip http://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/supersu/stable-2016-09-01supersu-v2-78-release-t3452703)
Code:
adb sideload SuperSU.zip
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8. reboot and enjoy your rooted device.
PS. If you got OTA notify, you can flash the stock image to un-root your device.
Stock boot.img and recovery.img files can be find in following URL:
https://mega.nz/#F!ok0V0RIA!5WKtHe98opzjVI3NPbM7Ww
Who can test ?
superuser.pm said:
Who can test ?
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its 100% working bro
Does the unlock tool really wipe the data on the device??
aelzki said:
Does the unlock tool really wipe the data on the device??
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yes its wiping entire phone.
can i root the phone without uncloking the bootloader ?
BentotKulangot said:
its 100% working bro
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Are u trying? 7up screenshot for everybody . ..
superuser.pm said:
Are u trying? 7up screenshot for everybody . ..
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This is work.. now i have rooted phone and installed xposed
after rooted? we can get OTA? or no? if not how to get the OTA?
i must unlock bootloader before flash twrp ?
on phone turn on or off USB debugging mode ?
100% working
I have been waiting and waiting for this post. worked instantly, with no headaches. Well just remember to back up your stuff first.
Thanks to OP for the translation!
Won't allow me to post the image or link being so new. Just try it out.
drive.google.com/open?id=0B08xanlQWY50UHhEZlBfM1BncWs
sorry mods if this is bypassing the spam guards.
i cant get OTA UPDATES after unlock the bootloader LOL
They do warn you specifically that pushed updates will no longer happen.
I think the solution is to find the updates from ASUS and use an app like FlashFire
There is a request for a Rom on the cyanogen forums.
Xposed worked like a charm.
It also appears that the kernel source is available although I'm not sure from where.
Still not sure where to find the ASUS updates
Thank you very much it works perfect, but how do you flash the recovery.img and boot.img to un-root?
TWRP Decrypted and Couldnt Mount Storage
Thanks for the guide, its 100% worked!
But I have a problem. I couldnt mount storage to instal ZIP file. Also my TWRP said its encrypted, and i dont what password to decrypt is.
Anybody know how to solve this?
Is there any CN stock recovery to download?
i got error device 'null' not found when trying to sideload the supersu. help me please
Chandro-ID said:
i got error device 'null' not found when trying to sideload the supersu. help me please
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I got this problem too, just install the super su from twrp solved my problem
Will it work for ZS570KL?
Hi now TWRP 3.0.2 its out for your Vernee Apollo Lite [WORKS]
special [email protected][email protected]
tested with latest original Vernee OTA K15TB-A.A.vR1C.N1.160727 (27.07.2016)
bugs: ADB not working. Same isue for ADB sideload and MTP too.
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Download this Files:
TWRP_302_for_Vernee_Apollo_Lite_P6.zip
UPDATE-SuperSU-v2.76-20160630161323.zip
01-driver-Pc_Windows.rar - If you are under Windows 8/10[FONT=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif, Tahoma] you need to disable signature verification of drivers ! HOWTO)
[/FONT]SP_Flash_Tool_5.1612.00.000_Windows.zip
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Installation:
1. copy UPDATE-SuperSU-v2.76-20160630161323.zip directly to internal or externeal SD Card.
2. In Phone goto Settings->About Phone->tab 5-7times on (Build number) to activate Developer Options.
3. goto Settings->Developer Options and activate (OEM Unlocking) and (USB debugging).
4. turn Phone completly off.
5. extract (01-driver-Pc_Windows.rar) on your Windows with (7zip) and install with (InstallDriver.exe).
6. extract (SP_Flash_Tool_5.1612.00.000_Windows.zip) on your Windows with (7zip).
7. extract (TWRP_302_for_Vernee_Apollo_Lite_P6.zip) on your Windows with (7zip).
8. open the folder (SP_Flash_Tool_5.1612.00.000_Windows)and run (flash_tool.exe).
9. in SP Flash Tool search the file scatter (MT6797_Android_scatter.txt) with the yellow button on the right (Scatter-loading) in the folder of extract TWRP.
10. Now SP Flash Tool must look like this with only marked at recovery:
11. now in SP Flash Tool press the green (DOWNLOAD) Button on the middle.
12. Plug your Usb Cable into Phone and wait until SP Flash Tool says FINISH! (plz use a USB2 Connector on your Pc!)
13. Now TRWP was flashed and ready to use if NOT, try Step 6-9 again.
14. turn Phone completly off.
15. hold Volume(+) and Power Button for ~5sec until you see the mini Apollo Lite Recovery Menu.
16. with Volume(+) chose RECOVERY Press Volume(-) for Ok.
17. Now you can see TWRP Main Menu Use Language English!!!
18. in TWRP goto (Install ZIP) then (Choose zip from SD Card) or search in (Choose zip from ExtraSD) for UPDATE-SuperSU-v2.76-20160630161323.zip and flash.
19. in TWRP go back and do REBOOT.
20. Now you have a working TWRP and ROOT
xx. If you want to install / flash Xposed and the amazing Dolby Atmos too, check my another HowTo
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Youtube Tutorial English:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XWoAniehhI
Youtube Tutorial Deutsch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjZXw7Bs8jA
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have fun regards ice
plz move to Vernee Apollo Lite section.
regards ice
Hey, can I use this with the Apollo X25?
Hello. I tried several times to install TWRP. I would like use superdragonpt nougat ROM but I can't do it without rooting my phone. Is there a way to do it with the latest OTA installed?
cant i just use ADB / fastboot to install TWRP? im on linux and im really not the biggest fan of tools like this..
scatter file
how can i create my own scatter file to backup stock rom first ?
mtk droid tool not support mt6797
Anyone gonna do 3.1.1 now?
#ApolloLiteProblems said:
Anyone gonna do 3.1.1 now?
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Hopefully
Still got 3.0.2....want to go to 3.1 but don't know how without a pc......
Maybe I build TWRP 3.1.1 this week.
Black Manta said:
Maybe I build TWRP 3.1.1 this week.
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Thanks!
#ApolloLiteProblems said:
Thanks!
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There is already a new release
#ApolloLiteProblems said:
Thanks!
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Check the FAQ from madOS. They released it!
Black Manta said:
Check the FAQ from madOS. They released it!
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Is it for 3.1.1? I just flashed the 3.1 img so it should be fine. Success
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Black Manta said:
Check the FAQ from madOS. They released it!
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Can't find the file
I can't unlock the boot loader
Hi, I can't unlock the boot loader. Could someone help me?
I just did it as op instructed.
Kernel version 3.18.22
built version 20170118194258
Many, many thanks
The only difference, I had to use ONLY usb3.
pezmarino said:
Hi, I can't unlock the boot loader. Could someone help me?
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I didn't need to on mine.
Bootloader is unlocked.
TWRP 2.8.7.0 for 4.4 ( mobopx v2.2 ) is installed but somehow it is faulty.
I have two Nandroid Backups.
Phone was C00B137 4.4.2.
Phone doesn't boot so can't install any of those (UPDATE.APP) method updates. Stuck on huawei Ascend powered by android.
i CAN boot into twrp and fastboot (fastboot&rescue) .
TWRP backup works so i got two backup first one right after flashing the custom recovery, and another after everything wipe and an unsuccessful android 6 flash (B571) (phone booted into a clean 4.4.2 (what it was on) but empty motion control setting. and "update from usb storage" button removed from updater's app (the only way it installed that unsuccessful android 6 update ).
So, What was the dumb move?
That shouldn't happen.. when i selected everything to wipe, after that. Yeah. That's enough go read the rest.
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.
.
What is it? What are you waiting for?
Why can't install any rom:
1- TWRP Restore does not work (does not find the backup).
TWRP ADB Sideload Probably doesn't work (i connect to pc then click the adb sideload, infinite loading until i cancel on phone. no device detected on windows).
2- Worst part : SD Card Does NOT get detected in TWRP.
The only way to transfer files to phone is through USB Storage (Otg).
3- As mentioned before, all complete updates are .app files. With This TWRP, only zip files can be installed (Which are just as suffix to the os, all are 100 mb, 300, 700mb, what is this? humans update is 1.2GB up to 2.2GB and more.) the TWRP Install works as i tried to install one of those zip update files, obviously unsucessfull (Zip signature Failed or something like this).
References:
The B571 rom i installed (that was finished but after reboot it was still 4.4.2 with bugs) is C432B571 Full OTA( Europe ) from this page.
The Twrp i used is Recovery mate7 mobopx v2.2 update and translate by chudy_85 on same page. number 7:
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the adb i use is shift right clicking on platform-tools folder -> open command prompt here. learnt from here. also unlocked boot loader according to that (although with help of honortuner ( https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/info-unlock-bootloader-recovery-root-noob-friendly.3453204/ ) ).
UPDATE:
1--This is the log of when i unlocked bootloader:
2-- ADB WORKED! At least in recovery (not that sideload button in advanced) :
What should i do now? how to flash UPDATE.APP through adb??
Should i first flash stock recovery then through huawei update (key combination) update using sd card The update.APP????????????????
but i will lose custom recovery so if it fail i will truly brick the phone this time. HELP!
no help for me?