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I'm not sure I understand the initial media plaudits from yesterday's unveiling.
With the latest flagship phones so far released or announced, I feel this is very much a step backwards from the competition (though, rather a smaller step forward than everyone else)
Realistically, this is a most minor iteration. We have the obligatory upgrade to the latest Qualcomm flagship SoC, then..?
We have more screen real estate, though at the expense of the notch and what, initially, appears to be a relatively minor upgrade to the camera, when compared to everyone else.
Aesthetically, I personally think, this is by far the best looking OnePlus device and it's really on a par with the competition here. I don't have an issue with the look of the notch, though having never used a phone with a notch, I may well hate it in use.
Elsewhere, it seems to lag behind. Of all the competition, i.e. those with the Snapdragon 845, OnePlus seems to be the least innovative in its use. Nowhere do they advertise use of its AI / ML capabilities. I'm not suggesting they go down the Asus route and call everything AI, but at least show your making use of it.
I appreciate that most 'AI' features are mostly marketing nonsense, but some of it appears very useful. We are seeing phones with translation apps using AI, rather than connecting to the web. We're seeing phones use AI to learn how people use the phone, and continually change how they manage apps memory and power usage to improve both performance and battery life.
OnePlus have not made any claims towards anything like this, so if they are doing these types of things, why keep quiet.
This 'season' most of the innovation has been centred on the use of AI with the camera and so far we've seen some very amazing results from that. The big hitter being the Huawei P20 pro, though an honorable mention goes to the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S also, especially considering it's budget flagship price (very much in the OnePlus 6 range).
OnePlus have always lagged behind in the camera department. It seems one of its big sacrifices in order to keep the prices so low. Last year's 5T, the first OnePlus with a dual lens arrangement, was routinely savaged by critics and considered on par with the average mid range phones. So here is where many considered it needed to vastly improve.
Initial impressions do seem to suggest that great improvements have been made. However, it seems like they've really only arrived at the point other flagships were at last year. Considering the huge leap forward AI has taken in-phone photography this year, it seems that OnePlus still have a lot of work to do in order to catch up with the rest and, this year, still seem just as far behind.
Hardware wise, mobile technology is now very mature, so we're only ever, mostly, seeing small iterative improvements, so phone manufacturers can only offer iterative updates, from a hardware perspective. And this is what we've come to see over the last few years.
This year the majority of mobile innovation, on flagship models more so, has come through the use of AI, something OnePlus seems to have strangely overlooked with this latest release.
This year, this iteration feels like something I'd expect from a top end, mid range phone, not from something that used to sell itself as a flagship killer.
With some serious hard work from the OnePlus software team, much AI innovation seen elsewhere could be rolled out to the OnePlus 6 in the future, which would see it much more competitive in the flagship phone sector. Though, I imagine they'll wait until the 6T to implement such changes, which may give the competition too much of a head start.
I'm currently on my third OnePlus device but if I do decide to upgrade this year, I doubt I'll be spending my money on the OnePlus 6. I feel it's time for a change, Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S anyone?
Though if by some miracle I actually win the xda competition, I'll be happy to keep the phone for the foreseeable future
I think I'll wait to see what the Xiaomi Mi7/8 will bring
That's one way of looking at it.
I think it's a fine phone compared to the Galaxy S9+ which costs approx. €250,- more.
Yes, the Samsung has a higher screenresolution, probably a better camera and a slightly higher capacity battery, but I don't want to spend that extra money on that and get a lot of bloatware in the process.
Since I'm currently still using a Oneplus One, the 6 is awesome compared to that...
Was looking forward to the oneplus 6.
I was thinking to upgrade to either a Mi Mix 2s or OP6. But I don't see what the OP6 offers, besides non-IP rated waterproofing over the Mi Mix 2s.
Same innards.
Same price
Ugly notch
Better blacks?
Arguably worse camera on paper
No wireless charging.
I don't see why you would pick an OP6 over Mix 2s. Miui sucks (got a lot better though lately), but is very easy to replace with a custom ROM.
Disappointed
Compared to the S9 and £9+, yes it is a very fine phone and probably runs it very close.
Samsung was also seen this 'season' to only come to the table with an uninspired iterative update. I think that they've suffered in being one of the first this year to roll out the release and have been caught lagging by some of the other manufacturers that came later.
Last year the S8+ was considered to have one of the best cameras in a smart phone. This year, although the S9+ camera has improved, it is only a minor improvement. Huawei and Xiaomi through heavy use of AI, have made huge leaps forward compared to last year, probably equivalent to 5 years worth of normal iterative upgrades. They have also both brought some other, worthwhile, uses of AI with their latest phones to further push themselves ahead of the competition.
OnePlus originally made 2 big sacrifices in order to keep costs low. These were LCD screens and cameras that would be typically found on mid range phones. However they were pretty much alone in the budget flagship market back then and so this wasn't seen as a big issue. With the arrival of some competition they've had to adjust accordingly.
Last year OnePlus came with a fairly large price increase, which allowed them to switch to AMOLED screens, this year another price increase sees them moving to premium camera modules expected on flagship phones.
In terms of where OnePlus was with the One and even where they were last year, yes this is a great phone and a good improvement. But considering some of the innovations some of the competition has brought this year, they have lagged behind. I no longer believe they are the first choice for those looking at the budget flagship market. Xiaomi would appear to have taken on that title.
If Xiaomi would embrace the custom ROM community the same way OnePlus have, OnePlus could find themselves losing some loyal customers.
Firipu said:
I don't see why you would pick an OP6 over Mix 2s. Miui sucks (got a lot better though lately), but is very easy to replace with a custom ROM.
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Only once you've got passed Xiaomi's ridiculous 360 hour bootloader unlock shenanigans.
The OP6 is a compelling candidate because of good mfg support for bootloader unlock without voiding warranty, lots of dev support for root etc., 3.5mm audio jack, now packaged with water resistance, at a lower price given the top processor/RAM specs.
Camera and display of OP6 are apparently not the tip-top of the field, but in the thin upper range where discerning the minor differences between competitors is splitting hairs IMO.
AI is a flaky gimmick that causes more problems than it solves in all phones in 2018, IMO. Same goes for voice assistants and most of the other bells and whistles. I'm going to shut off all that on any phone I get. K.I.S.S.
Watching now for more to come on OP6... extensive reviews, puddle-dunking, bootloader unlock, TWRP, root, clip cases, audio quality impressions (3.5mm output), initial OS "bug" fixes...
Robbo.5000 said:
I'm not sure I understand the initial media plaudits from yesterday's unveiling.
With the latest flagship phones so far released or announced, I feel this is very much a step backwards from the competition (though, rather a smaller step forward than everyone else)
Realistically, this is a most minor iteration. We have the obligatory upgrade to the latest Qualcomm flagship SoC, then..?
We have more screen real estate, though at the expense of the notch and what, initially, appears to be a relatively minor upgrade to the camera, when compared to everyone else.
Aesthetically, I personally think, this is by far the best looking OnePlus device and it's really on a par with the competition here. I don't have an issue with the look of the notch, though having never used a phone with a notch, I may well hate it in use.
Elsewhere, it seems to lag behind. Of all the competition, i.e. those with the Snapdragon 845, OnePlus seems to be the least innovative in its use. Nowhere do they advertise use of its AI / ML capabilities. I'm not suggesting they go down the Asus route and call everything AI, but at least show your making use of it.
I appreciate that most 'AI' features are mostly marketing nonsense, but some of it appears very useful. We are seeing phones with translation apps using AI, rather than connecting to the web. We're seeing phones use AI to learn how people use the phone, and continually change how they manage apps memory and power usage to improve both performance and battery life.
OnePlus have not made any claims towards anything like this, so if they are doing these types of things, why keep quiet.
This 'season' most of the innovation has been centred on the use of AI with the camera and so far we've seen some very amazing results from that. The big hitter being the Huawei P20 pro, though an honorable mention goes to the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S also, especially considering it's budget flagship price (very much in the OnePlus 6 range).
OnePlus have always lagged behind in the camera department. It seems one of its big sacrifices in order to keep the prices so low. Last year's 5T, the first OnePlus with a dual lens arrangement, was routinely savaged by critics and considered on par with the average mid range phones. So here is where many considered it needed to vastly improve.
Initial impressions do seem to suggest that great improvements have been made. However, it seems like they've really only arrived at the point other flagships were at last year. Considering the huge leap forward AI has taken in-phone photography this year, it seems that OnePlus still have a lot of work to do in order to catch up with the rest and, this year, still seem just as far behind.
Hardware wise, mobile technology is now very mature, so we're only ever, mostly, seeing small iterative improvements, so phone manufacturers can only offer iterative updates, from a hardware perspective. And this is what we've come to see over the last few years.
This year the majority of mobile innovation, on flagship models more so, has come through the use of AI, something OnePlus seems to have strangely overlooked with this latest release.
This year, this iteration feels like something I'd expect from a top end, mid range phone, not from something that used to sell itself as a flagship killer.
With some serious hard work from the OnePlus software team, much AI innovation seen elsewhere could be rolled out to the OnePlus 6 in the future, which would see it much more competitive in the flagship phone sector. Though, I imagine they'll wait until the 6T to implement such changes, which may give the competition too much of a head start.
I'm currently on my third OnePlus device but if I do decide to upgrade this year, I doubt I'll be spending my money on the OnePlus 6. I feel it's time for a change, Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S anyone?
Though if by some miracle I actually win the xda competition, I'll be happy to keep the phone for the foreseeable future
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I had similar feelings/experience. Ended up my story with oneplus by selling my op5t and bought a p20 pro. I won't buy the 6 and waiting for the 6t... Who knows. Also interested by the Mi Mix 2s.
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I had similar feelings/experience. Ended up my story with oneplus by selling my op5t and bought a p20 pro. I won't buy the 6 and waiting for the 6t... Who knows. Also interested by the Mi Mix 2s.
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What improvements hardware/software wise will the 6T bring do you think ?
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What improvements hardware/software wise will the 6T bring do you think ?
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Maybe wireless charging..but I don't really know.
SlyUK said:
What improvements hardware/software wise will the 6T bring do you think ?
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Maybe better battery, 3D Face unlock, fingerprint sensor under display
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Maybe better battery, 3D Face unlock, fingerprint sensor under display
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The only realistic item you listed is the battery which I 100% agree at least by a few hundred Mah.
The fingerprint sensor under the display isn't ready yet. Samsung has been trying to get this tech for their galaxy phones buts its just not there.
Huawei has a 2k device that has it and all the reviews states its not good.
They definitely could have done something special to make more of a splash but i think this rounds they did it with design.
where they fall short for me is :
1) Camera
2) Display
3) USB standard.
4) Battery
1) i think they should have done a bit more with the cameras on paper like larger pixels maybe dualpixel AF i think the 16 MP should have matched last years pixel 2 specs but with 16 MP then for the 20MP fo a wider angle monocrom so a max of LG / huawei. But i wait on official review to see if the current setup works well
2) Display i think OP should go to QHD its about time but leave the resolution at 1080p via software like what sony does but nit picking again as one plus screens are not bad its a Samsung panel so. Just they could add a AOD option via software.
3)The main let down for me why is the USB C port still usb 2.0 standard every one else uses usb 3.0 or 3.1 to allow for faster file transfers. For a lunch focused on speed this is the major let down smh the rest i was being nit picky but the usb really.
4) one plus should really try to get in the 4000 mah and 3600 mah battery capacity ranges especially since they have dash charge and goodish battery life
hunhool said:
I had similar feelings/experience. Ended up my story with oneplus by selling my op5t and bought a p20 pro. I won't buy the 6 and waiting for the 6t... Who knows. Also interested by the Mi Mix 2s.
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I bought and returned a View 10 and P20 (non-pro) and neither would play my favorite game Hill Climb Racing 2. Major stutters so bad I couldn't even play. The P20 purchase was 9 weeks after the View. I was hoping it was a fluke deal. I did try a few other games that played well but I've also seen it mentioned that the 970 has GPU issues. I held off on the Mix 2s until the curtain was pulled back for the OP6 but I'm also on the fence. Think I'll order the 6 and if not wowed just return it and get the 2s.
Glass back on the 6
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Maybe wireless charging..but I don't really know.
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Now that theyve swapped from metal to glass backing, i think you are correct.
I find it weird that it wasnt included in the 6 though.
Robbo.5000 said:
Compared to the S9 and £9+, yes it is a very fine phone and probably runs it very close.
Samsung was also seen this 'season' to only come to the table with an uninspired iterative update. I think that they've suffered in being one of the first this year to roll out the release and have been caught lagging by some of the other manufacturers that came later.
Last year the S8+ was considered to have one of the best cameras in a smart phone. This year, although the S9+ camera has improved, it is only a minor improvement. Huawei and Xiaomi through heavy use of AI, have made huge leaps forward compared to last year, probably equivalent to 5 years worth of normal iterative upgrades. They have also both brought some other, worthwhile, uses of AI with their latest phones to further push themselves ahead of the competition.
OnePlus originally made 2 big sacrifices in order to keep costs low. These were LCD screens and cameras that would be typically found on mid range phones. However they were pretty much alone in the budget flagship market back then and so this wasn't seen as a big issue. With the arrival of some competition they've had to adjust accordingly.
Last year OnePlus came with a fairly large price increase, which allowed them to switch to AMOLED screens, this year another price increase sees them moving to premium camera modules expected on flagship phones.
In terms of where OnePlus was with the One and even where they were last year, yes this is a great phone and a good improvement. But considering some of the innovations some of the competition has brought this year, they have lagged behind. I no longer believe they are the first choice for those looking at the budget flagship market. Xiaomi would appear to have taken on that title.
If Xiaomi would embrace the custom ROM community the same way OnePlus have, OnePlus could find themselves losing some loyal customers.
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Well no offence, but the AI in mobiles at this point of time is a bit overrated... We have been seeing phones detect scenes and boost colors based on the scene long before companies started marketing it as AI (Coming from Honor View 10 User) , predictive app mamagement has also been a thing for a long time now.... Sure AI helps do it better... But does it really have to be marketed so much.. In reality my phone with AI doesnt feel as smooth as my friends Oneplus 5t, so im willing to bet oneplus 6 will be even smoother...
Since no one has posted any real camera samples and reviews as of now... I cant say much about it...
Onething that i did notice using the View 10 is the battery life. Its great.. Maybe thanks to the NPU, lets see if oneplus is doing something similar without making a fuss about it...
Overall it looks to be a very 2018 phone with all features te current flagships have - the AI advertising
Firipu said:
Was looking forward to the oneplus 6.
I was thinking to upgrade to either a Mi Mix 2s or OP6. But I don't see what the OP6 offers, besides non-IP rated waterproofing over the Mi Mix 2s.
Same innards.
Same price
Ugly notch
Better blacks?
Arguably worse camera on paper
No wireless charging.
I don't see why you would pick an OP6 over Mix 2s. Miui sucks (got a lot better though lately), but is very easy to replace with a custom ROM.
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Mi mix 2s disadvantages are ,very poor development & community...
If you like to modify your phone ..rooting , trying custom kernels , custom ROMs...etc.. then definitely OP6...
Otherwise Mix2s ..
I'm surprised by some of these comments. You're all asking for features that would clearly bump the price way up? I think you have unrealistic expectations - if you want it to be a s9, buy an s9 lol!
4k panel? Why? Your eyes can't see it, worse battery and more expensive.
The wireless charging, yes it's interesting, but doesn't matter at all to me. It's slower than with wires and I can't play on my phone whilst charging.
The camera is probably the only Biggie for me. I really hope it's low light shots are at least usable. I'm coming from my nexus 6P and this camera has served me very well - I hope the OnePlus 6 is better.
As for other things like the notch - I mean come on guys, if you disable it you can't even see it. With it there you get more screen size.
I think for the price it's a fantastic phone, and the software is a great experience compared to many other cheap alternatives!
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Mi mix 2s disadvantages are ,very poor development & community...
If you like to modify your phone ..rooting , trying custom kernels , custom ROMs...etc.. then definitely OP6...
Otherwise Mix2s ..
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Not disagreeing, but I have a Mix 2 and redmi note 4. They both have a very active dev community. Really can't complain. Not as amazing as e.g. Nexus devices, but still very good imo. Can't comment on Oneplus dev community though.
And the 2s is a treble device.
wireless charging will always be asked for but hardly be undestood by me.
It's utterly slow compared to any charging solution on market.
Then you go on the charge for a day... it's somewhat convenient, but takes some more room in the phone internals, and on your desk with the charger.
The glass back is more for the awesome mobile network speeds and wifi reception.
As much as I hate glass for shattering, my experience always shown that metal chassis results in poor reception.
Well that's about it. I'm curiously waiting for the oneplus6 to arrive. It was a long time ago with the OnePlus One when I last saw how OnePlus fares...
I'm sure I'm gonna have the U12+ too as well this year, but I needed to check another qualcom rocketed device this year (no kirin or exynos for dev purposes on my end)
Hi XDA guys!
Everybody knows that Mi series goal is to be better than Redmi at least in specs and performance.
But how about performance to price ratio, how about all other things that You dont worry and dont expect in REDMI casue it's cheap but You do expect it in the MI series?
What are the problems/things that You don't like in MI series?
What are the problems/things that You don't like in REDMI series if there is any? WHY? Cause we all know not to expect wonders for a low budget priced phones.
I've talked to many people who had/have REDMI and MI series Xiaomi phones (clients, selllers, internet folks, friends) and they only agree on ONE thing -the price is great wheter it is REMI or MI phone.
A strange thing happens.... REDMI owners are always satisfied. The only thing that bothers not all of them is the camera quality.
But in low and middle price segment REDMI beats EVERY other BRAND.
Xiaomi has also great prices in the high end flagship models but here MANY PEOPLE are dissapointed.
For example camera quality, screen quiality, body, bezel, bugs, no NFC, no european B20 LTE band.
The MI users also tell me that non of the above bothers them but something totaly different. EACH person = an original problem with MI device.
Can You please tell me what are Your problems/dislikes with MI and REDMI devices cause I'm about to buy one from each segment?
What should I worry about (Android updates maybe?) buying a REDMI and a MI phone IN YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIANCE?
Don't get me wrong. I never had a MI phone but in shops they perform GREAT so I wonder what's the fuss is about?
You Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S is running good, Internal version with all bands, I bought it in Xiaomi shop in France so it's normal to get everything good.
The problems that I noticed are a performances issues on benchmarks and the back glass is very fragile, I have scratches even with the case.
I have big hopes with Android P.
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You Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S is running good, Internal version with all bands, I bought it in Xiaomi shop in France so it's normal to get everything good.
The problems that I noticed are a performances issues on benchmarks and the back glass is very fragile, I have scratches even with the case.
I have big hopes with Android P.
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Thanks for reply dude, I have some questions though:
1. What exactly did You notice on benchmarks? Performance issues shouldn't exist. It's the fastest CPU (SD 845).
2.Why do You have big hopes with Android P. Is Oreo making problems and what kind?
3. It would seem like in flagship models the manufactuers put very delicate screens probably to earn more cash on repair. I have the same problem on Samsung Galaxy S8. A slightly nail can scratch the surface and still they say it's gorilla glass. That unacceptable.
On Redmi Note 4 (cheap Xiaomi phone) I have such a hard screen that I don't need any kind of protection....
My mi mix 2s issue is just about ghosting screen and laggy video recording, other than that is perfect.
So many issues. Mostly software which has too many bugs to list. Text selection is buggy. Text input is laggy because of full screen gestures. Often no way to switch apps during calls. MIUI is a disaster. Our Mi A2 running Android One is a significant step up.
In terms of hardware, the Mix 2s is ok. The screen is the main problem. It is not very bright outside compared to my old pixel. Also it scratches very easily. I've never had a scratch on a phone screen in over 10 years, but I already have 2 on this handset after a few weeks and I don't have a clue how as I don't keep anything else in the same pocket. It says it is gorilla glass but I don't believe it - I think it is made out of cheese
I've noticed performance drops on benchmarks too. First Antutu score was 270k, the last one i did after factory was 209k....
Phone gets hot real quick, idle cpu temperature is around 39C.
My camera lens started to peel... after a week
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Thanks for reply dude, I have some questions though:
1. What exactly did You notice on benchmarks? Performance issues shouldn't exist. It's the fastest CPU (SD 845).
2.Why do You have big hopes with Android P. Is Oreo making problems and what kind?
3. It would seem like in flagship models the manufactuers put very delicate screens probably to earn more cash on repair. I have the same problem on Samsung Galaxy S8. A slightly nail can scratch the surface and still they say it's gorilla glass. That unacceptable.
On Redmi Note 4 (cheap Xiaomi phone) I have such a hard screen that I don't need any kind of protection....
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1 - Low scores for a S845 (less than 200k on AnTuTu, 3400 on 3dmark slingshot extreme, 1900-7000 on Geekbench)
2 - Xiaomi announced big buffs for camera and performances with their Android P builds.
3 - I'm just talking about scratches, because the back is ceramic and shouldn't be scrashed so easily under a case (the provided one).
That scratching is simply a way to tell Your subconcius to buy another flagship from Xiaomi cause the current one will be too scrached.
Are You sure that the long awaited Mi Mix 2s has a long list of bugs?
Xiaomi did overtime to put this phone on the market with flawless opinion.
What else I can expect from Mi Mix 2s and do You think that these bugs won't exist in the newly lanuched Mi8?
BTW It's a shame, Xiaomi was well on their way to beat even Samsung with performance to price ratio but they suddenly asked too much cash for their top phones.
If they would keep up what has been done in the low budget phones we could have a worldwide revolution resouting in ALL brands lowering their price for even flagship phones.
It was so close... We all would benefit from it. For example a Samsung S9+ instead of 1000 $ would cost 600 USD.
Xiaomi did us no favor and got all of a sudden a big time player alhought their flagships are yet far from being great.
Who cares?I am using this phone, not someone else.I like it, this is the most important thing.
1 - My Mix 2S never freezes. Never.
2 - I'm not facing any issue with video recording (4k).
3 - I don't give a **** for performing Antutu tests. I just look at its scores before buying.
4 - I'm with Mix 2S about 20 days and there's no lens peeling or scratches. I am careful with it. I can sell it right now as a new.
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1 - My Mix 2S never freezes. Never.
2 - I'm not facing any issue with video recording (4k).
3 - I don't give a **** for performing Antutu tests. I just look at its scores before buying.
4 - I'm with Mix 2S about 20 days and there's no lens peeling or scratches. I am careful with it. I can sell it right now as a new.
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2 - Just check in camera settings 60 fps isn't available.
3 - ok, but the Snapdragon 845 was a major spec for this device and the phone perform like a S835 one.
4 - You're lucky for the scraches, I don't know how the mine have been scrached under a case, but I have no lens peeling neither.
I've had mine for 3 months now, and it's perfect for me, especially for the price.
No scratches, no peel lenses, and I don't notice any ghosting. In fact, my only gripe is that the MIUI notification pull down with the brightness slider needs you to touch where the slider is before you can move it. My previous phone (ZUK Z2 Pro) let you tap anywhere on the slider bar and it would move to where your finger is. So quickly upping to full brightness in sunlight on my Mix 2S is trickier as I need to see where the slider is.
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2 - Just check in camera settings 60 fps isn't available.
3 - ok, but the Snapdragon 845 was a major spec for this device and the phone perform like a S835 one.
4 - You're lucky for the scraches, I don't know how the mine have been scrached under a case, but I have no lens peeling neither.
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2 - You are right. Is Xiaomi crazy?
3 - As I told for a friend early: I didn't notice any difference while using Mix 2 and Mix 2S. I'm not on gaming. I just want a never-lag device, iykwim.
4 - I'm with my device 24 hours per day. I know where it is everytime.
I have the global model 128gb version and as soon as it was set up I was disappointed with MIUI.
Never had a Xiaomi device before but the rom sucks and has so many bugs in it it's really annoying.
Fortunately some people here are developing custom ROMs and I'm on pixel experience gsi right now which works flawlessly. It's like having a Pixel for half the price. Of course there is some work left for the Devs regarding some little features like auto brightness and camera apps but I'm use a Gcam port and it's fine for me.
It's not the device IMO its the software that kills it. They have good prices but the bootloader unlocking process is really annoying and their software suite like the MiFlash tool is really crappy.
I tried flashing the Android P Beta from Xiaomi and almost bricked my phone because they just forgot to include some batch files in the original download. I was lucky because some guy here provided all the needed files and I got the device running but this must not happen to a company that wants to be a global player.
Just my 2 cents...
I use the provided case and have no scratches, lens peels whatsoever but the case start to break on the lower right corner after just 2 months and taking it off only 3 times. But it was free so I'm okay with that.
kleinholzinferno said:
I have the global model 128gb version and as soon as it was set up I was disappointed with MIUI.
Never had a Xiaomi device before but the rom sucks and has so many bugs in it it's really annoying.
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Well, this is your respectable opinion but I really don't understand why people spend 500 USD/EUR being totally unconscious of the products they are buying.
MIUI OS has been developed for many years and it always had the same peculiarities: extremely visually accurate, feature-rich, buggy, childish.
MIUI is something you just love or hate. But it has been so for years: people should know in advance when they buy normal Xiaomi devices (I mean, other than A1 or A2).
It is very surprising that buyers complain of something everibody knows.
I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, which is "boring": never had a single issue in two years.
When I bought the Mi Mix 2S I was perfectly aware that I was buying a totally different phone, with an OS which apparently is always in beta stage.
But, you know, my Xiaomi is just fun!
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Well, this is your respectable opinion but I really don't understand why people spend 500 USD/EUR being totally unconscious of the products they are buying.
MIUI OS has been developed for many years and it always had the same peculiarities: extremely visually accurate, feature-rich, buggy, childish.
MIUI is something you just love or hate. But it has been so for years: people should know in advance when they buy normal Xiaomi devices (I mean, other than A1 or A2).
It is very surprising that buyers complain of something everibody knows.
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The problem is that reviews never talk about the bugs or missing features. And the ROM flashing community makes it sound easy to just swap to an AOSP ROM, without mentioning that AOSP ROMs take a very long time to develop and lose features like camera quality etc.
Personally I expected MIUI to be a bit annoying. I used it 6 years ago and it was not great but I had expected it to have improved. I was wrong. It is the worst experience I've had on a phone out of the box. I can't believe companies manage to sell consumer devices this bad. Xiaomi puts a tonne of effort into a ROM that has fewer features and worse usability than stock Android. Why invest so much energy into making something worse?
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The problem is that reviews never talk about the bugs or missing features. And the ROM flashing community makes it sound easy to just swap to an AOSP ROM, without mentioning that AOSP ROMs take a very long time to develop and lose features like camera quality etc.
Personally I expected MIUI to be a bit annoying. I used it 6 years ago and it was not great but I had expected it to have improved. I was wrong. It is the worst experience I've had on a phone out of the box. I can't believe companies manage to sell consumer devices this bad. Xiaomi puts a tonne of effort into a ROM that has fewer features and worse usability than stock Android. Why invest so much energy into making something worse?
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I had both stock and miui , emui , etc...
I had Nokia 8 , Lg G6 , Honor 8 huawei p9 , p10 plus, xiaomi mi mix 2s , samsung s5
And i dont understand why do you say that miui has less features ... It has theme engine (no root) ,gestures, optimized battery saving , screen temprature
It seems you dont know what you are talking about , i found that the phone with less features was nokia 8 (stock) . The only thing good was the fastest updates but i had no control about nothing
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Well, this is your respectable opinion but I really don't understand why people spend 500 USD/EUR being totally unconscious of the products they are buying.
MIUI OS has been developed for many years and it always had the same peculiarities: extremely visually accurate, feature-rich, buggy, childish.
MIUI is something you just love or hate. But it has been so for years: people should know in advance when they buy normal Xiaomi devices (I mean, other than A1 or A2).
It is very surprising that buyers complain of something everibody knows.
I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, which is "boring": never had a single issue in two years.
When I bought the Mi Mix 2S I was perfectly aware that I was buying a totally different phone, with an OS which apparently is always in beta stage.
But, you know, my Xiaomi is just fun!
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Just to clarify some things:
Before buying a product at that price range I'm thoroughly investigating the product. So I was not "totally unconscious" as you call it.
I was aware of the OS and the differences from stock android. But if you can't get your hands on a device before buying it you have to trust reviews and hands on videos. And almost all of them didn't mention the problems I encountered.
As posted before you're getting lied to or bugs and errors are just sugarcoated and no one tells the truth.
I have no problem flashing phones and always did and I'm glad there are alternatives for this piece of crap MIUI. You say it's developed for years? Maybe, but for this amount of time invested into an OS we could expect a better performance and stable ROMs without all the bugs.
Have you ever read the official MIUI forum? Besides the point whor**g there it's full of bugs and problems and none of the Xiaomi devs gives a flying f*ck about the people reporting them.
I'm happy with the pixel experience rom by now. Never going back again.
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It has theme engine (no root) ,gestures, optimized battery saving , screen temprature
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Yeah themes are the most important feature... especially when you have to set your location to India to get it to work.
You know, that's one of the things that makes me mad. It's not only about pushing as many features into a rom as possible. They should work properly to be a benefit. Not working features are a no-go.
And all of the things you mention are not MIUI specific. They try to copy all the good stuff from other manufacturers, but fail permanently.
Battery life was catastrophic with MIUI. With the Pixel Experience rom I get twice the SOT. And that's with a not device customized GSI...let that sink in.
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Again, that is your point of view. I am not saying you are lying, just that your opinion is highly subjective.
1) MIUI forum is full of children writing "cool" and "great". Nothing comparable with XDA. But is has been so since the beginning. Every experienced android user knows (and keeps far away). Why complain now?
2) As I wrote above, I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, whose OS is rock-solid. Still I cannot complain about the lack of feature in MIUI. For example I have many routines in my ordinary day; with the S7 I used Tasker for scheduling vibration mode, wifi on/off, connection and so on; MIUI has this feature and works great, without additional apps (and root!). Same for taking screen captures: no need to edit build.prob, as MIUI has a simple gesture for that. I agree that MIUI may have some bugs, but definitely the issue is not the lack of features.
3) Battery life was "catastrophic" just in your configuration. In my configuration battery drain is comparable with S7, i.e. very good.
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Again, that is your point of view. I am not saying you are lying, just that your opinion is highly subjective.
1) MIUI forum is full of children writing "cool" and "great". Nothing comparable with XDA. But is has been so since the beginning. Every experienced android user knows (and keeps far away). Why complain now?
2) As I wrote above, I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, whose OS is rock-solid. Still I cannot complain about the lack of feature in MIUI. For example I have many routines in my ordinary day; with the S7 I used Tasker for scheduling vibration mode, wifi on/off, connection and so on; MIUI has this feature and works great, without additional apps (and root!). Same for taking screen captures: no need to edit build.prob, as MIUI has a simple gesture for that. I agree that MIUI may have some bugs, but definitely the issue is not the lack of features.
3) Battery life was "catastrophic" just in your configuration. In my configuration battery drain is comparable with S7, i.e. very good.
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Of course my opinion is subjective...as all opinions are. I just pointed out what bothers me about the forum, the device and the software.
I've seen and used much better android ROMs and MIUI is just not for me. So I switched the rom asap.
I also used Samsung's UI on my brand new tablet with at the time some of the best hardware you could get. And guess what it lagged awfully. So I dumped the Samsung firmware, installed lineage and it's snappy and responsive. No comparison.
But everybody likes and uses or needs other features, as you mentioned and that's perfectly fine. That's the great advantage of a free system like android.
I just don't need the "features" of MIUI to me it's overloaded.
Regarding the forum you're right. It's like playing COD with a bunch of 14 year olds on steroids.
Hi everyone! I want to buy a new phone and I'm in for these 3. I'm a moderate user, focused mostly on YouTube and Netflix, some games (arena of valor mostly), and general Web use. I want a good screen, good battery life and decent performance. Mi8 don't have a headphone jack, but have a AMOLED display. I don't know about the quality of pocophone screen, and the Mi9T screen seems to be so gorgeus. Anyway, what you can tell about this three, especially for videos and games?
Get the poco add me on aov my name is GRAZED
Mate, go to a store, look at the phones your interested in and make a decision...
Each persons view is unique and what sells me a phone may be unimportant to you... You will probably find people here are a little biased towards the Pocophone. If you go to those other phone forums you will probably get most people saying to get their phone as they will be biased there, and most people won't downtalk their product (unless it's REALLY bad) due to the fact we like to think our product/advice is best...
There is a myriad of videos on youtube extolling the virtues/problems with each phone...
In the end it comes down to you...
lets reverse the analysis
why you should not buy Mi8 (over Pocof1)
- it has similar soc
- no 3.5mm jack
- no expandable storage
- lower battery
- same big notch like pocof1
why you should not buy mi9
- where its SD855 & larger Screen to Pocoft & Mi8.... the battery is even smaller than Mi8
- No 3.5mm jack &
-no expandable storage
- the chipset has broken in to more complex setup where 2.4ghz x1 single and rest stays on lower end unless required, perhaps this way mi9 is saving batter
- poco f1 &mi8 chips set is gold/sliver plated but mi9 specs on gsmarena doesn't mention any such
now why you should buy POCO f1 in 2019..?
- other MI successors are usually missing headfone jack and expandable storage (this is v imp for me / i don't know about u )
- with a few niptuck differences on mi8 / mi9 you will pay more on these devices where Poco f1 is relatively cheaper now.
- soon 5g devices will be out THEN it makes more sense to upgrade and if you buy Mi8/mi9 .. they both are 4g devices only then you will left with no choice to force upgrade yourself! , so its better to buy Poco f1 on cheaper prices NOW so that by next 6-9 months when market is saturated with 5g devices you can easily upgrade.
another angle for pocof1
- local shops have many accessories and you will able to find covers/wallets/protectors etc (poco f1 screen protector is same as Iphone XR ) ( my poco has Iphone XR 9h strong screen protector, fits 99% accurately!
- POCO F1 is Very popular device (after Redmi Note5 / 5+ / 5pro) and XDA has so much on Pocof1 already, many rom, methods, easy to root tips! where for Mi8/mi9 you will have to wait many weeks for developers to release stable roms! ,,
i always check these things before buying any device(s)
dont buy anything from xiaomi see damn freeze thread and youll see the pain if you got corrupt xiaomi device like ****y poco
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Hi everyone! I want to buy a new phone and I'm in for these 3. I'm a moderate user, focused mostly on YouTube and Netflix, some games (arena of valor mostly), and general Web use. I want a good screen, good battery life and decent performance. Mi8 don't have a headphone jack, but have a AMOLED display. I don't know about the quality of pocophone screen, and the Mi9T screen seems to be so gorgeus. Anyway, what you can tell about this three, especially for videos and games?
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i have used mi 9t, mi8 and poco and i can say mi 9t is the better option overall. Especially with with your use, there are no reasons to buy mi8 or poco, because arena of valor run smoothly on mi 9t and is the better option to play it thanks to the gorgeous display it has
Mi 9T Pro
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Mi 9T Pro
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This
There is no reason buying MI 9T if its not PRO. Poco and MI 8 actually the same but MI8 is a flagship and gives better experience using of it... but at the same time it has lower battery capacity. Im using Poco F1 for 7 months for now and thats the best phone i've ever used just because of SD845. So i definately recommend it.
I have the Pocophone F1 and I would say it is a decent phone.
I'm gonna say between Poco F1, Mi 8 and Mi 9t, there's not much difference. But i'll try to look at the best feature in them.
Mi 8? It has the Super AMOLED, corning glass 5, HDR10 screen, best screen. Great camera (+telephoto, OIS), sufficient enough. SD845 Adreno 630 on par with Poco F1.
Mi 9T? The latest device. AMOLED, corning glass 5 screen. Camera is supposed to be the best. 48MP (+telephoto, ultrawide), under display fingerprint (if you like that, idk for me). Headphone jack. USB OTG is there to compensate for the less expandable storage. 18w 4000 mAh battery.
Poco F1? SD845. Expandable storage, headphone jack, stereo speakers, USB OTG, 18w 4000mAh (QC 3.0) battery. The lowest cost among these three, or probably the same cost as Mi 9T (depends on your country, idk)
Of course there's pros and cons between them. And I saw a lot of pros in Mi 9T that actually makes me eager to get it (if only I hadn't buy Poco) Anyway choose one that fits you.
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dont buy anything from xiaomi see damn freeze thread and youll see the pain if you got corrupt xiaomi device like ****y poco
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my poco works perfect? might be some of your apps making device hang..
you need to explain what's installed and which rom you are using? even Miui10 which build? ( Stable (china/global) / developer (china/global) ) (rooted /nonrooted?) etc
Don't believe any positive comments about poco here. Poco is one of the ****ty device i have ever seen. It has famous touch issue that's still not solved and can't be solved through software updates. Camera is below avg. Phone hits up when its a plastic body. Durability is bad. Software updates are bad. Only battery backup is good because of it's large battery capacity.
Have my poco since it was out, am very pleased with it, no problems what so ever. Will trade it up for mi9t pro once it is released.
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Mate, go to a store, look at the phones your interested in and make a decision...
Each persons view is unique and what sells me a phone may be unimportant to you... You will probably find people here are a little biased towards the Pocophone. If you go to those other phone forums you will probably get most people saying to get their phone as they will be biased there, and most people won't downtalk their product (unless it's REALLY bad) due to the fact we like to think our product/advice is best...
There is a myriad of videos on youtube extolling the virtues/problems with each phone...
In the end it comes down to you...
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Well said. And sound advice.
Nfury00701 said:
Don't believe any positive comments about poco here. Poco is one of the ****ty device i have ever seen. It has famous touch issue that's still not solved and can't be solved through software updates. Camera is below avg. Phone hits up when its a plastic body. Durability is bad. Software updates are bad. Only battery backup is good because of it's large battery capacity.
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I am fine with my POCO so far!
Keep in MIND that POCO is NOT flagship device ! and like any other high mid range android devices it has pros and cons! but you are highlighting CONS only! ?
-POCO is highly managable and xda has many roms/mods! since i am using my Poco on HAVOC I don't have hanging problem but I had used poco on MIUI initialy and It was fine too!
- camera is OK, the highlight of this fone was never camera, infact the camera is better than many midrange Xiaomi Phones
- All phones heats up! but the good part is , on havoc , even the phone feels hot on touch! it never hangs!
- yes i have noticed touch problems BUT on Franco/Twisted loop kernels because they had been changing kernel drivers , and even on franco, the touch problem is rare and if you switch on / off screen, it fixes it self! however if I use any other kernel, it stays just fine!
I have adjusted myself to many devices because of their limitations! but poco is so far best device that i have able to customized according to my wishes
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I am fine with my POCO so far!
Keep in MIND that POCO is NOT flagship device ! and like any other high mid range android devices it has pros and cons! but you are highlighting CONS only! ?
-POCO is highly managable and xda has many roms/mods! since i am using my Poco on HAVOC I don't have hanging problem but I had used poco on MIUI initialy and It was fine too!
- camera is OK, the highlight of this fone was never camera, infact the camera is better than many midrange Xiaomi Phones
- All phones heats up! but the good part is , on havoc , even the phone feels hot on touch! it never hangs!
- yes i have noticed touch problems BUT on Franco/Twisted loop kernels because they had been changing kernel drivers , and even on franco, the touch problem is rare and if you switch on / off screen, it fixes it self! however if I use any other kernel, it stays just fine!
I have adjusted myself to many devices because of their limitations! but poco is so far best device that i have able to customized according to my wishes
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you are forgetting the main thing. we have no enough time for unlocking bootloader, flashing rom, modification etc etc. we are giving our hard money to Xiaomi not xda devs. xda devs are best in all way. we want the best in stock like OnePlus did.
all of us don't know how to flash roms and not even interested. we got poor lcd panel and they should admit that. instead of it we are being told to remove screen guard to solve touch issue. this is bulls*** man.
poco isn't flagship but not even close to flagship killer dude.
look because u watch netflix get mi9T global verison because its support widvine L1 and it will support HD playback i am useing pocophone f1 even after they add the widevine support its doesn't play hd so i think it should be on the phone from the factory to work and mi 9 also has the same support with better soc but less battery so choose between thoes 2 forget about pocophone the screen not good with video playback
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you are forgetting the main thing. we have no enough time for unlocking bootloader, flashing rom, modification etc etc. we are giving our hard money to Xiaomi not xda devs. xda devs are best in all way. we want the best in stock like OnePlus did.
all of us don't know how to flash roms and not even interested. we got poor lcd panel and they should admit that. instead of it we are being told to remove screen guard to solve touch issue. this is bulls*** man.
poco isn't flagship but not even close to flagship killer dude.
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who are "WE" who don't have time?
-the fact you bieng on xda/replying/reading and answering makes you expert on this topic already !
-also predominantely if you don't like MIUI then POCO is not your only problem! then you should try ANdroid one devices like oneplus (oxygen is pretymuch stock android) and / or Nokias
- as i said! POCO is NOT flagship and and their lcd panel is SAME same same as Note5pro!! however i never face touch problems! of any kind!!!!!! used miui 10 on my waiting period and it was just perfect! perhaps you got a faulty device ORRRRRR Xaiomi made a Special POCO for me
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TLDR: Buy the Mi 9T, don't even wait for the Pro version. You won't miss anything on the Pro given your declared use-cases, all of those that you mentioned you can do on the 9T + more money for you because it's significantly cheaper.
Here are the things I noticed about the Mi 9T:
1. As we all know, the build and the cooling system of the Mi9T-series were spec'd to deal with SD855 high-performance SoC which is and certainly an overkill for the SD730.
2. As explained in #1, what you would get is significantly higher run-time for the performance cores + GPU on full load (max clocks) when you have a lower TDP SD730 SoC.
3. SD730 also sips power at full load and is overall having lower power consumption (then the Pro) which also converts to longer run time per single full charge.
Remember that you have a phone with passive cooling which could always be saturated especially during summer. The question is that for how long before saturation? Simple, SD730 would take longer time to saturate a cooling system designed for SD855, that's it. I always notice people getting disappointed gaming on a phone with SD845 (for example) and got mad because it could easily throttle at FULL LOAD, where is the liquid cooling? What the cooling system is doing? My answer would be: With great power comes faster passive-cooling saturation.
Forget Mi8, very small battery for gaming, lowest runtime of the 3.
Forget Poco, it's overkill for your use-cases (SoC-wise) and it's camera is dated and offers less utility as compared to the cameras of the Mi9T.
Buy the Mi9T, it's best for the price and the use-cases you have stated. I also has the overall highest battery run-time of the 3.
Oh, the Mi9T Pro? Forget it, just buy a Mi9T with the biggest storage space and call it a day.
I am using a POCO F1 since September 2018. It had its own set of problems like screen touch issues etc.
Right now you should go with Mi9T because:
1. Better Screen. Poco screen is **** literally. If you dont bother about touch issues, even then the poco's display is very average.
2. SD730 is more than enough for a 1080p screen. Although Sd845 is stronger on paper, you wont make out much difference in performance unless you are into heavy gaming.
3. Design.. Poco's design sucks literally.
4. You get better camera, same battery but more power efficient chipset leading to a longer battery life.
5. Mi9T loudspeaker is louder than poco's speaker.( Poco's secondary speaker is barely audible and just for the surround effect)
6. Mi9T will get updates longer.
Poco will have less resale value now.
Unless you are into gaming, avoid poco f1. But beware that none of these will play Netflix in HD.
However if you can wait a bit and willing to spend extra, get the pro version.will be worth it.
I hope this is the correct forum for this type of discussion. If not, mods please move it to a more appropriate location.
What confuses is me is that there seems to be so little interest in this phone with both average consumers and tech enthusiasts. I'm curious you guys think that is?
Because it seems to me there are a lot of reasons why there should be. I'd like to lay them out. I'm by no means a Xiaomi/Poco fanboy, but I feel these are more of less objective points.
I paid €300 for my Pocophone F1 shipped from within EU, about a month after launch, and €350 for my Poco F2 pro about 2,5 months after launch. Taking into account inflation, the fact that the price might come down even more and the fact that you’re getting an objectively better hardware package, I’d say the F2 Pro is at least as good a deal (if not better) as the F1. And the F1 had a huge hype/interest surrounding it. It was basically the new One plus, as far as people were concerned.
What do I mean by better hardware package? Not taking into account the better chipset (which as far as I’m concerned is more a function of which smartphone generation we happen to be at) it’s the 4700 vs 4000 mah battery (I’m getting about 30-40% more battery life), the better screen (max brightness is quite a bit higher, as is color accuracy.. and it’s amoled), the much improved camera setup (including ‘nice to haves’ such as a macro camera), the housing which looks way more premium (even though all glass has downsides as well.. but the F1 back coating is pitting/scratching like crazy). And then there’s stuff that’s just plain cool, like the sliding selfie cam, the in screen fingerprint reader, IR blaster etc. Not to mention some weird omissions the Poco F1 had, such as no nfc.
I’d say getting this phone is kind of a no brainer, whether it’s for the tech enthusiast or the budget constrained android user who still wants the latest and greatest. Miui (though it has it quirks) is also getting to the point where it can compete with the other android skins out there.
So why is there so little interest?
I think because Xiaomi did not release the phone in India officially
For people into photography the Mi 10 range has better appeal. These handsets have much better cameras with OIS and 108MP or Omnivision lenses.
Here its due to Xiaomi not releasing full kernel source meaning that developers have a really hard time creating alternative ROMs.
In the "real" world, are sales bad? I dont know.
I wonder if there is any chance of getting custom roms for this device. I'm considering purchasing it but the lack of custom roms if putting me off. I'm curretly using a oneplus 6 and the poco f2 pro feeld like a nice and cheap upgrade.
I would like to add another imho huge pro-point for this (and other Xiaomi devices): unlocking the bootloader and rooting does NOT void the warranty!
(at least it's true for Singapore where Xiaomi confirmed this via email).
I am not aware of any other company (Samsung, Huawei, Realme ....) which allows this
magogo said:
I wonder if there is any chance of getting custom roms for this device. I'm considering purchasing it but the lack of custom roms if putting me off. I'm curretly using a oneplus 6 and the poco f2 pro feeld like a nice and cheap upgrade.
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Xiaomi.eu is a kind a custom rom. Apart of that its true, not much other options available...
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Xiaomi.eu is a kind a custom rom. Apart of that its true, not much other options available...
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It's not, it's the OEM ROM with a few mods on top, nothing special.
grt67DFqyu said:
It's not, it's the OEM ROM with a few mods on top, nothing special.
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I think you are wrong sorry. OEM means "original equipment manufacturer" normally the manufacturers provide OEM firmware\rom. As you said its modified "with a few mods on top" and its not by the manufacturer, then its a custom firmware. I fully understand what xiaomi.eu does and I know they use the official Chinese firmware but it is still modified.
no call recording on F2 pro. So bye bye Xiaomi.
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It's not, it's the OEM ROM with a few mods on top, nothing special.
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Technically, Xiaomi.eu ROM is a custom ROM.
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I think you are wrong sorry. OEM means "original equipment manufacturer" normally the manufacturers provide OEM firmware\rom.
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I know what OEM means Hence the phrase "OEM with a few mods on top". I just think it's not enough to call it a proper custom ROM.
As long as xiaomi.eu maintains this device, I absolutely love it
XDRdaniel said:
As long as xiaomi.eu maintains this device, I absolutely love it
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Me too. I've been an AOSP guy ever since but TBH, I'm not complaining with MIUI this time, especially with Xiaomi.eu ROM. Plus, Magisk and EdXposed are perfectly working on it so I'm satisfied so far.
Poliarinis_eziukas said:
no call recording on F2 pro. So bye bye Xiaomi.
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Google announced Phone apk beta with call recording option (on some global versions of RN8 Pro is alread available)... So very soon will be on all xiaomi devices
popoyaya said:
For people into photography the Mi 10 range has better appeal. These handsets have much better cameras with OIS and 108MP or Omnivision lenses.
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We have OIS, and the IMX686 is no slouch either. Gcam still has a ton to get out of that sensor. For context, the Pixel's sensor has barely changed for the last 3 and a half years, and they still made massive quality improvements.
What is the advantage of Omnivision lenses ? Don't they make sensors ? The general rule is that Sony sensors are better, isn’t it ?
Poliarinis_eziukas said:
no call recording on F2 pro. So bye bye Xiaomi.
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Unlock and flash xiaomi.eu it's has that feature by default...
Wysłane z mojego POCO F2 Pro przy użyciu Tapatalka
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Here its due to Xiaomi not releasing full kernel source meaning that developers have a really hard time creating alternative ROMs.
In the "real" world, are sales bad? I dont know.
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We all need to keep asking for the full device tree and kernel source etc. on Facebook and Twitter. I've tweeted POCO and Xiaomi this week whilst I wait for my new F2 Pro.
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I know what OEM means Hence the phrase "OEM with a few mods on top". I just think it's not enough to call it a proper custom ROM.
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I guess this is your personal choice you call it what ever you like. I can also say green is yellow but its still will be green for everybody else .
Going back to the subject I have also seen a significant price drop since I bought this about 2 months ago. Not sure why is this though I think its a very good phone.
I may unlock my phone and give a shot on the xiaomi.eu rom if everyone saying its great.
Well compared to my mi note 10 it has worse screen, worse in screen fingerprint reader, build quality feels worse, camera setup is nowhere near, battery time is about same on miui 12 (poco f2 got worse, note 10 better in miui 12).
So the only real pros for poco f2 is performance and popup camera.
I kept note 10 as main phone
Do not buy black shark phones, reasons are:
- will never be officially unlocked
- You will never receive appropriate support from blackshark/xiaomi
- Impossible to find stock rom from oem (and it will always be unavailable)
- No system updates if you updated to beta/modified your system/black shark is lazy and ****'s on the customer
- Support is 1 bot called "Jason" which will just give you the same answers over and over (useless).
- no support from xiaomi (although its a xiaomi brand and they made promises... all lies! As we know it from Xiaomi though...)
- Blackshark always has full access to all your data (maybe those illegal activities are the reason for no source code...)
- Too expensive for above reasons/bad quality housing
Seriously, go for a Oneplus which are about the same price and better in every point (leading in open sourcing their things!)
Its best to stray away from Xiaomi aswell...
True, but with the long heatpipe inside, the super quick charge and for now pretty much the highest benchmark scores of all Android phones ever existed, its quite impressive on the hardware side.
But I agree, the bloatware, spyware and whatnot, plus messy Google Play support is a major concern.
buy global version
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True, but with the long heatpipe inside, the super quick charge and for now pretty much the highest benchmark scores of all Android phones ever existed, its quite impressive on the hardware side.
But I agree, the bloatware, spyware and whatnot, plus messy Google Play support is a major concern.
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well which 888 phone does not have a thick heatpipe inside? high average score (by far not the highest)- users with 888 phones and open source can install a custom kernel with high termal limits (like bs4) and oc to get way higher benchmark scores and actual improved gaming performance (thanks to newer drivers, kernel and community optimizations). not to speak of the way lighter custom os compared to miui based.
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well which 888 phone does not have a thick heatpipe inside?
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This is what happens on the best alternative 888.
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No gaming phone has a good development scene. Neither Asus ROG, Nubia Redmagic nor Lenovo Legion. So obviously, I would not expect anything great from BS 4.
At least I hope that at some point bootloader could be unlocked, and I could root it. This is all I will ask. Anyway I have to say that JoyUI is great for gaming. A full-featured experience that will enhance something that any other custom ROM will ever do with custom software.
I can't agree with this post. After researching MANY phones I've got to the conclusion that BS4 is outstanding for what it was designed for (gaming).
If you want to play Candy Crush, probably POCO X3 PRO is a better option. But if you want to go with Free Fire, PUBG Mobile or even Wild Rift or Arena of Valor, this phone is exquisite.
PS: OnePlus is a rip off. After OP 3 they become absurdly expensive, and now they are launching ****ty budget alternatives like One Plus Nord that are completely subpar to the flagship killers. If you want a GREAT phone as a daily driver for work, I would go hands down, for POCO F3 no discussion. But for gaming POCO F3 is also subpar. Gaming phones like BS4 are here for something relevant. I support them and is great that finally pro players are going away from long years of iPhone dominance thanks to this innovation.
PS2: I'm currently using for my daily driver a 3-year old Poco F1 with PE11+ which is great from a privacy concern. Snapdragon 835 is more than sufficient for the classic apps. I'm not going to mine bitcoins with my phone or do an art gallery with my Poco F1 photos. I will not install a big deal in my BS 4 either, so not much data is going to be extracted from me apart from my gaming sessions, which are delighting on my brand new BS4
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no gaming phone has a good development scene. Neither Asus ROG, Nubia Redmagic nor Lenovo Legion. So obviously, I would not expect anything great from BS 4.
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but at least asus gives the kernel source (idk about the others) making a development scene possible. just wait some years.
MiSSigNNo said:
At least I hope that at some point bootloader could be unlocked, and I could root it. This is all I will ask. Anyway I have to say that JoyUI is great for gaming. A full-featured experience that will enhance something that any other custom ROM will ever do with custom software.
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i dont see any benefits in joyui, you can have every option - just lighter, with less impact on performance and battery life - on a custom os
MiSSigNNo said:
if you want to play Candy Crush, probably POCO X3 PRO is a better option. But if you want to go with Free Fire, PUBG Mobile or even Wild Rift or Arena of Valor, this phone is exquisite.
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the benefits in any of those games when comparing bs3 vs op nord n10 (in hand )are minimal for me. maybe n10 cant keep up to the 90 fps everywhere but i can play longer and the ips screen seems sharper and with less/no ghosting. If you play emulators (wii onwards) its a completely different story though.
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PS: OnePlus is a rip off. After OP 3 they become absurdly expensive, and now they are launching ****ty budget alternatives like One Plus Nord that are completely subpar to the flagship killers. If you want a GREAT phone as a daily driver for work, I would go hands down, for POCO F3 no discussion. But for gaming POCO F3 is also subpar. Gaming phones like BS4 are here for something relevant. I support them and is great that finally pro players are going away from long years of iPhone dominance thanks to this innovation.
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still same price range for same soc as bs but with propper support and open source.
well, if you dont want to fiddle with your mobile in any way and have privacy concerns / want an UI even a toddler could handle, go for iphone.
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PS2: I'm currently using for my daily driver a 3-year old Poco F1 with PE11+ which is great from a privacy concern. Snapdragon 835 is more than sufficient for the classic apps. I'm not going to mine bitcoins with my phone or do an art gallery with my Poco F1 photos. I will not install a big deal in my BS 4 either, so not much data is going to be extracted from me apart from my gaming sessions, which are delighting on my brand new BS4
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if you want privacy go for an android phone with open source kernel and an ungoogled custom rom (with open source replacements if needed). if you use gapps you are better off with an iphone . op nord n10 is pretty decent (even for light gaming)
Dude you cannot compare OP Nord 10 with Black Shark 4 that is almost blasphemy.
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Dude you cannot compare OP Nord 10 with Black Shark 4 that is almost blasphemy.
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well, both phone both android both 5g both aux port android phones got way too powetful for the games we have on android lately... but back to topic: i think if someone looks on xda to check out a new phone, he wants to be able to at least unlock the bl and root it. Most people probably also want to be able to update theyr phones with the newest security patches/android from google in some years when the phone is eol. If you want any of this, do not buy this phone. go for a cheaper one with 888 AND open source (i made the mistake and bought a bs3, dont make the same mistake).
if you will buy a new 700 bucks phone within 2 years anyways - ok, then this phone might be sth for you (you should receive software updates for 2 years). you would however, probably not look on xda, a platform for users who want to get the most out of theyr phones by adjusting the software which is open source, thanks to google.
Well, as I said, for that, I have POCO F1.
It's true that Black Shark devices have not revealed the kernel and firmware so far. But I have to say that no ROM has been released so far for any gaming phone, that support the triggers.
Something interesting abotu custom roms:
I have a Oneplus 2. Always updated to the latest LineageOS. Recently I had a technical project for a guy that needed to install some security cams using phones and I wanted to use my OP2 for testing with Lineage 17.1 (at that point). My surprise: OS kept freezing the cam every couple of minutes. Tested other alternative ROMS and same happed, so I decided to go back to the latest OxygenOS released ages ago: It worked flawlessly.
Same happened with my oldie Galaxy Nexus. Only going back to 4.4 made it stable enough to be used as a -somewhat- daily driver.
So far I'm super happy with POCO F1 custom ROMS, and I'm currently using Pixel Experience, but there are very few phones in the market that will keep it up for long enough. After a couple of years, how is currently designed the market, you are completely forced to renew for most phones in no more than 4 years, and for some exceptional phones like POCO F1 will be a little bit longer.
But as I said, if you take seriously gaming, no OP has specs like BS4. 144Hz screen and a 400Hz+ sampling rate. Killer phone.
PS: I've paid $400 for my BS4, 2-day delivery from Amazon. The cheapest ROG5 was $500 and 2 weeks minimum delivery from China. I would be more worried of the phone breaking and losing warranty, than not having infinite updates.
About your complaint in XDA, it's true. But this is why this phone doesn't have currently a specific Custom ROM subsection like other phones. Just a generic discussion forum for all related topics, like unlocking bootloader, so I could install Magisk.
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Well, as I said, for that, I have POCO F1.
It's true that Black Shark devices have not revealed the kernel and firmware so far. But I have to say that no ROM has been released so far for any gaming phone, that support the triggers.
Something interesting abotu custom roms:
I have a Oneplus 2. Always updated to the latest LineageOS. Recently I had a technical project for a guy that needed to install some security cams using phones and I wanted to use my OP2 for testing with Lineage 17.1 (at that point). My surprise: OS kept freezing the cam every couple of minutes. Tested other alternative ROMS and same happed, so I decided to go back to the latest OxygenOS released ages ago: It worked flawlessly.
Same happened with my oldie Galaxy Nexus. Only going back to 4.4 made it stable enough to be used as a -somewhat- daily driver.
So far I'm super happy with POCO F1 custom ROMS, and I'm currently using Pixel Experience, but there are very few phones in the market that will keep it up for long enough. After a couple of years, how is currently designed the market, you are completely forced to renew for most phones in no more than 4 years, and for some exceptional phones like POCO F1 will be a little bit longer.
But as I said, if you take seriously gaming, no OP has specs like BS4. 144Hz screen and a 400Hz+ sampling rate. Killer phone.
PS: I've paid $400 for my BS4, 2-day delivery from Amazon. The cheapest ROG5 was $500 and 2 weeks minimum delivery from China. I would be more worried of the phone breaking and losing warranty, than not having infinite updates.
About your complaint in XDA, it's true. But this is why this phone doesn't have currently a specific Custom ROM subsection like other phones. Just a generic discussion forum for all related topics, like unlocking bootloader, so I could install Magisk.
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poco with pe (which includes gapps)--> nothing about privacy here xD
well, op releases the aosp (without oxygenos additions tho) source code. as far as i know only google and oneplus do this.
android is open source, we dont need stock rom source. we need kernel source (google what the linux kernel is, you will understand why...) so the community can fix what the oem does not/ can't / we can build custom roms based on the open android code.
i also used an oneplus2 (los/cm13 with recent patches) until last fall. if the screen didn't cut my fingers bcs it totally broke, i would still use it (batterylife with the right adjustments was insane). all my more recent xiaomi phones (mi a2 lite, redmi note 5 ai, mi 4c) died long time ago. did you debug it over adb? like that you can know what exactly the problem is, fix it in source and use the fixed version (or go to a custom rom with same android version as last official one, porting to more recent android without recent vendor blobs can cause many problems)
No, you can use a phone for 10+ years with the newest features EASY if you have kernel source. OFC oem's dont want this xD but the phones are not really increasing a lot lately (especially regarding cpu's) the storage and gpu gets better (adreno 650 was a milestone) but thats it (from the performance sight). you are only forced to change if the oem is a piece of garbage, violating the law and not releasing the kernel source. Blackshark is such a company, stop supporting them please.
If you take gaming seriously, you would see that more than 120hz refresh rate are useless (which games even support it?) and a 835 phone can still play ANYTHING on highest settings on 120hz and 1080p. 4k would be different. also a serious gamer (who knows that optimized software is WAY more important than a little bit increased hardware) would care about software updates/improved android kernel and the most important thing (how to get more power from your phone?) overclocking/changing thermal limits. optimize a 865 op phone and compare (gaming, not synthetic benchmarks) it to bs4, bs4 will be on par against sth that is not even a gaming phone and has an older soc. Ofc if you COULD do this on bs4, it would go like a rocket (only recognizeable in heavy emulation/benchmarks tho).
well, if there are any problems with the ROG5, just send it to asus, they will fix it if it's within the warranty (and asus is big, you can trust that). Trying to claim warranty at black shark will probably end in jason telling you that all is good and as soon as you sent the phone back he wont reply anymore xD.
the custom subsection is not there bcs
a) xda needs time to build it (no new phone has subsections...)
b) no kernel source--> no custom development.
Seriously, if you need "the best" phone as a statussymbol, go for an iphone. if you want cheap gaming on top notch, go for a soc with a good gpu (waiting for nvidia socs to appear in smartphones again) of the last 3 years and open kernel source. every android game will run with top performance.
For mining bitcoins/emulating 3ds/switch/ps3 the performance per current of the bs4 seems pretty nice. but then again, the kernel source...
really sad to put so much into a phone but leaving the user unable to fully use it.
and yeah, as soon as you root the phone, you can probably smoke the official updates from blackshark...
wertus33333 said:
poco with pe (which includes gapps)--> nothing about privacy here xD
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I was thinking about privacy against chinese apps, not about general privacy snowden level sorry
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Seriously, if you need "the best" phone as a statussymbol, go for an iphone. if you want cheap gaming on top notch, go for a soc with a good gpu (waiting for nvidia socs to appear in smartphones again) of the last 3 years and open kernel source. every android game will run with top performance.
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In the eSports competition iPhones are part of the past. Now with the current gaming hardware, everyone has either a ROG, Legion, Redmagic or Black Shark. This is a common standard. iPhones are now for the noobs.
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which games even support it?
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Here are all the games that support the ASUS ROG Phone 3's high refresh rate display
Here's a comprehensive list of all the games that support the 144Hz high refresh rate AMOLED display on the new ASUS ROG Phone 3. Check it out!
www.xda-developers.com
But it's true that top games are being too conservative on implementing the 144 FPS function. In fact I feel they are doing some partnerships to ship it to a bunch of phones that partner with them exclusively. For example in Wild Rift Black Shark 2 supports 120 FPS but the 3 and the 4th doesn't which is kind of funny.
This mobile gaming world is slightly corrupted yet. Hope it evolves in the next couple of months.
Still BS4 is top-notch. I'm completely amazed except for obviously the development part, which I agree with you mostly but not enough to shut my chosen option down. I have had both POCO F3 and X3 PRO in my hands and still I feel that BS 4 is light years away exclusively for gaming. I feel I can win more games having tested all. Plain simple from a practical stand point.
The physical buttons on the side can help me play games. And the super-fast charge attracts me. In fact, I'm a bit regret buying it because it can not be unlocked.
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The physical buttons on the side can help me play games. And the super-fast charge attracts me. In fact, I'm a bit regret buying it because it can not be unlocked.
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Just wait a little. It will be unlocked sooner or later.
My only regret is that it supposedly had NFC on the paper and I can't find the NFC anywhere. I did not had a NFC phone since Samsung Galaxy Nexus and I want one now to test Google Pay!!
If I'm 100% sincere, I currently don't have that rush of unlocking, since it goes so smooth that I don't feel the need of having a extra pinch of anything in particular.
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Just wait a little. It will be unlocked sooner or later.
My only regret is that it supposedly had NFC on the paper and I can't find the NFC anywhere. I did not had a NFC phone since Samsung Galaxy Nexus and I want one now to test Google Pay!!
If I'm 100% sincere, I currently don't have that rush of unlocking, since it goes so smooth that I don't feel the need of having a extra pinch of anything in particular.
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BS 4 Pro has NFC, dunno where that rumor comes from ..
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BS 4 Pro has NFC, dunno where that rumor comes from ..
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See that in 4PDA
Said that this is locked via software, unlocked somewhere around August?
Hope so.
i buy bs4 i know i will never get unlocked but for me its ok because when i see the roms for red magic 5 or rog 3 its so normal like downgrade you phone most rom great for normal use or normal gaming but when come to trigger and customize gaming hard to find rom supported
i have op3 and op6 with evo x rom work great i just wanna try something new in game
so bs4 cheap for what i want and good for 2 year also with 120w daily use i will kill the phone in 2year
so cheap bs4 12ram and 128g(i pick 256g) for 2 year is great choice
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normal like downgrade you phone most rom great for normal use or normal gaming but when come to trigger and customize gaming hard to find rom supported
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Exactly I see it like you.
I don't play any more in PC nowadays, only mobile, so instead of buying a GTX 3060 for around $400 that will serve me no more than 3 years, I've preferred to buy a specific gaming phone that doesn't have an equivalent among the "custom" phones like OP or Xiaomi/POCO.
Triggers, the huge frequency of touch screen (720Hz), etc... and the sound is completely wonderful
But I don't see the utility nowadays in more than 8GB. There are no games that consume more than 4GB RAM, considering that the base RAM consumption is around 2-2.5GB you will always have 1.5GB Free with 8GB but 6.5GB Free with 12GB which is obnoxious. This will not change for the next 3 or 4 years so I think that those 10+GB is just marketing trickery. Black Shark Pro and Redmagic/ROG with 16-18GB are a total waste.
This is not like a PC, where you have 10 programs opened in the background. In Android after a couple of seconds, the apps autoclose, removing the RAM they use. Therefore being over 3GB with system apps is extremely unlikely. But If I could remove the Xiaomi System apps by opening the bootloader one day, I will save some extra 512MB of RAM which will leave the phone in the basic 2GB stable for system app, leaving a total of 6GB RAM for gaming which is almost perfection.
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Just wait a little. It will be unlocked sooner or later.
My only regret is that it supposedly had NFC on the paper and I can't find the NFC anywhere. I did not had a NFC phone since Samsung Galaxy Nexus and I want one now to test Google Pay!!
If I'm 100% sincere, I currently don't have that rush of unlocking, since it goes so smooth that I don't feel the need of having a extra pinch of anything in particular.
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The NFC on Black-Shark 4 works well. But I seldom use it. For me, unlock the phone can help me capture the network data sometimes. Without unlock, there is no way to capture the HTTPS data on Android 11.
i just did a quick google, is root needed to pull stock rom via adb?
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True, but with the long heatpipe inside, the super quick charge and for now pretty much the highest benchmark scores of all Android phones ever existed, its quite impressive on the hardware side.
But I agree, the bloatware, spyware and whatnot, plus messy Google Play support is a major concern.
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An impressive benchmark doesn't mean much. That's just sandbox stats. And as time and time again is proven, what is ideal in simulation and on paper, is subpar in real situations and then you have hindered the end-user experience. - what is the point of having something that is apparently competing for the " console" market if using it is atrocious experience